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Subject: apology? maybe, maybe not
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 01:55:02 -0400
From: Music Man (BARKSDALE_EK%DV@CORNING.COM)
Subject: Re: greeting
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 13:45:34 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: greeting
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 08:43:06 -0500
From: hk kahng (hk@neosoft.com)
Subject: we wanna lilt and sway all night and cry and write poetry every
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 10:22:11 -0400
From: Chunkymutt@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: apology? maybe, maybe not
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 11:39:48 -0400
From: j*mes t*ylor (valis@CC.CVU.CSSD.K12.VT.US)
Subject: Music For Vampires: A Delicate Dependency
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:10:03 +0000
From: Tan Thong Yang (tytan@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: Re: Music For Vampires: A Delicate Dependency
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 14:04:28 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: apology? maybe, maybe not
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 11:43:11 -0700
From: Sarah Ahern (ahern@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: apology? maybe, maybe not
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 14:12:59 -0500
From: Andrew Stephen Barg (umbarg01@CC.UMANITOBA.CA)
Subject: THE CHANGELINGS upcoming..
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 03:32:36 -0600
From: nomad@netime.com (Damon Young)
Subject: Re: Un-subcribe me, please
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 16:24:26 EDT
From: srchandler@JUNO.COM
Subject: The Moon Seven Times
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:38:20 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: nature of the troll (was: NOT an apology)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:19:53 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Moon Seven Times
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:31:24 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Yankees Win!!!
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:04:25 -0400
From: "(((((Handsome Devil)))))" (joherius@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)

Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 01:55:02 -0400
From: Music Man (BARKSDALE_EK%DV@CORNING.COM)
Subject: apology? maybe, maybe not


it's apparent that this list seems to have a few close-minded people on
this list.  i get raked over the coals for asking one simple little
innocent question which seems to me offended a few people (boo hoo).

mr. forsla, isn't this probably pissing you off because i'm not using the
shift key.  if it is, oh well, you'll get over it.

cz, you called me a troll for asking this question; "are there any kiss
fans out there?"  i got on this list and asked that question as soon as
i was accepted.  i was just trying to make conversation.  i can't believe
anyone would cry over something like this so that's why i'm responding
to your little antics.

it's obvious that anyone who would wine about this doesn't have an open
mind towards other types of music.  i'm so sorry about that disability.

for those who stood by my side (you know who you are), thanks alot.  for
the ones who were pissed off (like i really give a shit).  you can KISS
MY FUCKING ASS.


KEITH "DA MUSIC MAN" B.

p.s.

   i'm anxious to hear what you cry babies have to say now so i'm not
going to signoff.  that's what you really want me to do, but hey, you're
not gonna get your way with me.


Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 13:45:34 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: greeting


Jeff wrote:

>Hey Music Man, I wouldn't worry about talking about Kiss on this list.
>There are so many Kiss references in 4AD-land that it's OK by me if you
>wanna mention them here.  Red House Painters doing "Shock Me" or Warren
>and the His Name Is Alive crew playing gigs dressed up as Kiss, etc,
>etc.

... Mark Robinson (Unrest/Air Miami) was, and maybe still is a Kiss fan.
There is a picture of a Kiss album boldly displayed next to the first Unrest
7" and LP, on the back cover of the 'Malcolm X Park' LP. (and what about
Alice Cooper? Time Stereo, the HNIA-related cassette label did a great
Cooper tribute cassette.)

What about a 4AD Kiss tribute album? (it's a pity the Cocteau Twins are no
longer on 4AD...)

Frank
+++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++


Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 08:43:06 -0500
From: hk kahng (hk@neosoft.com)
Subject: Re: greeting


Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
> What about a 4AD Kiss tribute album? (it's a pity the Cocteau Twins are no
> longer on 4AD...)

Funny you mention that, Frank.  About five or six years ago, some
friends and I (in the midst of some truly inspired boredom) thought it'd
be great to have a double-CD compilation of 4AD bands covering SubPop
bands and vice versa.  Just try to imagine the Cocteaux covering
Mudhoney's "Touch Me I'm Sick"....

Okay, we had nothing better to do at the time, and it _was_ pretty
freaking late....  :)

Cheers,


hk


Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 10:22:11 -0400
From: Chunkymutt@AOL.COM
Subject: we wanna lilt and sway all night and cry and write poetry every

              day

In a message dated 96-10-26 03:16:32 EDT, you write:

<< Let me explain it to you then...  this mailing list is for and about 4AD
 records and the artists whose records 4AD publishes.  Kiss is not, was
 not, and never will be a member of those artists.  So all you blathering
 about being the biggest Kiss fan unable to use the shift key in VA is
 completely out of place here.  In short, know what you're subscribing to
 before you open you big fat keyboard/mouth next time.  Have you left
 yet?? >>

i guess the kissfan in va has ruffled the gauze.  sir, you don't know ire
till
you have upset the the 4ad list.  run, hide, for you will be sought. and if
you are found, may god have pity on your soul for you will be flogged in a
public square by a big mean dead can dance roadie, then splashed with the
stinging pearly dewdrops.  i'll pray for you.  oh, and lest i forget KISS
KISS KISS
KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS KISS.


Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 11:39:48 -0400
From: j*mes t*ylor (valis@CC.CVU.CSSD.K12.VT.US)
Subject: Re: apology? maybe, maybe not


I couldn;t care less about any of this, but my question is, do you have to
use the list for arguing?

lllll;jt

> it's apparent that this list seems to have a few close-minded people on
> this list.  i get raked over the coals for asking one simple little
> innocent question which seems to me offended a few people (boo hoo).
>
> mr. forsla, isn't this probably pissing you off because i'm not using the
> shift key.  if it is, oh well, you'll get over it.
>
> cz, you called me a troll for asking this question; "are there any kiss
> fans out there?"  i got on this list and asked that question as soon as
> i was accepted.  i was just trying to make conversation.  i can't believe
> anyone would cry over something like this so that's why i'm responding
> to your little antics.
>
> it's obvious that anyone who would wine about this doesn't have an open
> mind towards other types of music.  i'm so sorry about that disability.
>
> for those who stood by my side (you know who you are), thanks alot.  for
> the ones who were pissed off (like i really give a shit).  you can KISS
> MY FUCKING ASS.
>
>
> KEITH "DA MUSIC MAN" B.
>
> p.s.
>
>    i'm anxious to hear what you cry babies have to say now so i'm not
> going to signoff.  that's what you really want me to do, but hey, you're
> not gonna get your way with me.
>


Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:10:03 +0000
From: Tan Thong Yang (tytan@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: Music For Vampires: A Delicate Dependency


I'm very keen to get a hold of this compilation. But I don't think it'll
make it's way to Singapore, where I'm from.

Know of any mail order houses I can place an order, or any kind soul out
there willing to help out a fellow listie by flying it over to me?

Any suggestions will be much appreciated.

-tytan-


Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 14:04:28 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Music For Vampires: A Delicate Dependency


>I'm very keen to get a hold of this compilation. But I don't think it'll
>make it's way to Singapore, where I'm from.
>
>Know of any mail order houses I can place an order, or any kind soul out
>there willing to help out a fellow listie by flying it over to me?
>
>Any suggestions will be much appreciated.
>
>-tytan-


You can email these guys to find out where the
closest location of Polygram is in Singapore or
in your geographic area. As far as I know the compilation
is only available as yet in Canada, but that might have
changed since I read the article on this release.

######## PolyGram Group Canada ##################
For more information contact:
Mercury/Polydor - Gerald Vogel (vogel@polygram.ca)
New Releases - Jim Carruthers (polygram@polygram.ca)
A&M-Island-Motown - Promotion & Publicity (ampp@polygram.ca)


Hope this helps.
Steve

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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 11:43:11 -0700
From: Sarah Ahern (ahern@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: apology? maybe, maybe not


At 11:39 AM 10/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I couldn;t care less about any of this, but my question is, do you have to
>use the list for arguing?
>
>lllll;jt
>
>> it's apparent that this list seems to have a few close-minded people on
>> this list.  i get raked over the coals for asking one simple little
>> innocent question which seems to me offended a few people (boo hoo).
>>
>> mr. forsla, isn't this probably pissing you off because i'm not using the
>> shift key.  if it is, oh well, you'll get over it.
>>
>> cz, you called me a troll for asking this question; "are there any kiss
>> fans out there?"  i got on this list and asked that question as soon as
>> i was accepted.  i was just trying to make conversation.  i can't believe
>> anyone would cry over something like this so that's why i'm responding
>> to your little antics.
>>
>> it's obvious that anyone who would wine about this doesn't have an open
>> mind towards other types of music.  i'm so sorry about that disability.
>>
>> for those who stood by my side (you know who you are), thanks alot.  for
>> the ones who were pissed off (like i really give a shit).  you can KISS
>> MY FUCKING ASS.
>>
>>
>> KEITH "DA MUSIC MAN" B.
>>
>> p.s.
>>
>>    i'm anxious to hear what you cry babies have to say now so i'm not
>> going to signoff.  that's what you really want me to do, but hey, you're
>> not gonna get your way with me.
>>
>
> this is my sisters mailing list, i just have a question, what the hell is
4ad and who are you?

Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 14:12:59 -0500
From: Andrew Stephen Barg (umbarg01@CC.UMANITOBA.CA)
Subject: Re: apology? maybe, maybe not


On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Music Man wrote:

> it's apparent that this list seems to have a few close-minded people on
> this list.  i get raked over the coals for asking one simple little
> innocent question which seems to me offended a few people (boo hoo).

I think the reason for the angry responses can be explained as follows:
Many people on this list, because they spend a great deal of time,
effort, money, etc. on their music, consider themselves to be a sort of
elite.  They feel, with some justification, that their explorations of
music over the years have given them some insights into what separates
good music from bad, and perhaps a glimpse at the vague barrier between
music that is good and music that is _great_.  Or whatever.  If you
joined an English lit. list and posted a message, "I am the biggest
Steven King fan in the world I love all his stuff he is the world's
greatest writer, what do you guys think about hit???" you might pick up
some nasty responses there too, and people probably wouldn't be much
interested in what you had to say after that.

I am not sure that the above analogy is entirely accurate -- the kind of
music on here is very new, and the forms are not as clearly understood
and the centuries-old literary traditions in our language -- but the
point is that many people see things in those terms.  Thus, you get
flamed.  If you want to talk about kiss in a room full of 4ad fans, you
should probably get used to it.

Andrew

Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:48:40 -0400
From: Eukariah (regeana@ATL.MINDSPRING.COM)
Subject: [Fwd: THE CHANGELINGS upcoming..]


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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 03:32:36 -0600
From: nomad@netime.com (Damon Young)
Subject: THE CHANGELINGS upcoming..

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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 16:24:26 EDT
From: srchandler@JUNO.COM
Subject: Re: Un-subcribe me, please


Dear sender,
        I want off of this mailing list in the worst possible way.  If
for some reason you know how I might go about doing so, please let me
know.
        A thousand thank yous...Spot


Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:38:20 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: The Moon Seven Times


>From the latest Parasol update:

>Moon Seven Times  Pre-Burnt EP  PS, US
>A demo & an exclusive track on red vinyl. A teaser for upcoming
>full length!!  Parasol-025  45  3.00

Is there anyone who knows when the album will be released?

Frank


+++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++


Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:19:53 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: nature of the troll (was: NOT an apology)

              01:55:02 -0400

BARKSDALE_EK%DV@CORNING.COM said:

>   cz, you called me a troll for asking this question; "are
>   there any kiss fans out there?"  i got on this list and
>   asked that question as soon as i was accepted.  i was
>   just trying to make conversation.  i can't believe
>   anyone would cry over something like this so that's why
>   i'm responding to your little antics.

May i note that your accusations of closed-mindedness and cry-babyosity are
unfounded and your "kiss my fucking ass" apology is childish but i'll deal with
the real issue at hand.

First off, you may not know what a "troll" is (see the definition below.
Secondly, i will revise my assessment of you in this way:

"You are *either* a troll or just too dense to realize that Kiss is to 4AD as
apples are to oranges."

There's no value judgement on which fruit is "better," but since we are all
gathered here under the auspices of discussing the virtue of oranges you'd be
wise to limit your discussion of apples or at least frame the discussion in
terms of it's relavence to oranges.

sorry to the rest of this list for draging you through this,
cz


>   troll v.,n.
>
>   [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a
>   posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
>   responses or flames. Derives from the phrase "trolling
>   for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
>   "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait
>   through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The
>   well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of
>   newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more
>   clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
>   the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a
>   deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you
>   get to be in on it.
>
>   Some people claim that the troll is properly a narrower
>   category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by
>   containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly
>   controversial.

Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:31:24 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Moon Seven Times

              Oct 1996 23:38:20 +0200

>   Is there anyone who knows when the album will be
>   released?

The roadrunner site:  www.roadrun.com
still lists *Sunburnt* (RR 8911) as being released "early next year."  Being on
the snail-mailing list i got a promo cassette with three songs "Some of them
Burn," "Nashville," and "Further."  They're okay (i haven't made up my mind
yet).  They asked me if i wanted more cassettes and so i requested 3 more.  When
those arrive i'd be happy to send one to any of you for the price of shipping.

-cz

Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:04:25 -0400
From: "(((((Handsome Devil)))))" (joherius@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Yankees Win!!!


excuse me to disturb, but...


                        The New York Yankees
                        Won The World Series!!!

nwo back to the regular broadcast.  (my apologies for those who don't care)

JHR