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Subject: Re: Breeders and Dead Can Dance
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:21:21 EDT
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: AVAM CD for Sale
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:44:42 -0400
From: Roger Mrazek (RogBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: UVS trivia question
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:50:17 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Tones on Tail
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:08:27 EDT
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: More Chris
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:55:14 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: UVS trivia question
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:17:42 -0700
From: andrew dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: UVS trivia question
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 02:11:01 -0700
From: Paul (pauld@BEST.COM)
Subject: Re: More Chris
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 01:41:32 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Seely
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:41:56 -0300
From: Rodrigo de Sousa Lariu (mmlariu@copa.rio.com.br)
Subject: fear of black pants
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:38:44 -0400
From: Dave Sargent (fairlee@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET)
Subject: Re: Breeders and Dead Can Dance
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:29:15 -0600
From: Jess Mangold (jman@SELWAY.UMT.EDU)
Subject: For Pete (or someone) from Too Pure re: Seely - (NO 4AD)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 06:07:10 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: DCD's John Bonnar
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:34:52 -0400
From: RBNRy@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: DCD's John Bonnar
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:41:45 -0700
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Chris Acland without a k
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:12:12 -0500
From: John Doe (950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU)
Subject: Re: Breeders and Dead Can Dance
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:39:01 CST6DST
From: PEREZ GUTIERREZ JORGE HUMBERTO (AR24051@VOXEL.GDL.ITESO.MX)
Subject: His Name is EAST LANSING
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:15:37 -0400
From: Steven Holmes (sbholmes@ALPHA.DELTA.EDU)
Subject: Breeders90210
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:12:18 -0400
From: RBNRy@AOL.COM
Subject: Cocteau Twins site up?
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:34:34 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Breeders
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 02:24:37 +0700
From: Renati Adriani (novo@JAKARTA.WASANTARA.NET.ID)
Subject: Re: DCD's John Bonnar
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 23:35:48 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: UVS trivia question
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:23:30 -0400
From: BVirts@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: More Chris
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:41:04 -0400
From: Cliff Walton (cliff@FOURAD.DEMON.CO.UK)

Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:21:21 EDT
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Breeders and Dead Can Dance


  James Logan wrote

> I've recently bought the Breeder's album "Last Splash" and I'm loving
> it. Can any one impart more information to me about this band. I have
> a feeling that they have released an earlier album. Is this correct?
> Have any of the band members been involved with other bands?

  The Breeders at this time featured Kim Deal, Kelley Deal, Josephine
Wiggs and Jim MacPherson. Kim started the group as a side-line while
she was in the Pixies. They released the first album, 'Pod'. The band
at this time the band had Kim, Josephine, Tanya Donelly and Shannon
Doughty(?), Tanya being on day release from the Throwing Muses.

  Between the two albums they released the Safari EP. By the time they
started recording the second album Tanya had started doing Belly and
so didn't have the time to put in. She has since gone solo and has a
single out later this year.

  Kim drafted twin sister Kelley in as a replacement. She got a smack
habit, got done for receiving some stuff through the post and went
through rehab as an alternative to jail. During this time Kim started
on some solo stuff, but ended up doing it with another band which she
called the Amps. It was going to be Tammy and the Amps, but she dropped
the idea.

  Kelley came out oof rehab clean and put together a band to record
some stuff she had written. The Kelley Deal released their album earlier
this year. 'Go to the sugar altar' is the title.

  As for Josephine she started off as a vocalist in the Perfect Disaster,
formed Honey Tongue with Jon Mattock from Spiritualized and released
the Nude Nudes album. She produced the Kostars album and was seen at
this years CMJ festival in the Kostars on drums and in The Josephine
Wiggs Experience on vocals.

  That is about all I can remember. If there are details missing/wrong
I apologise, but it was all done from the top of my head with no prior
preparation.

Steve
s.a.hipkiss@bham.ac.uk

Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:44:42 -0400
From: Roger Mrazek (RogBoy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: AVAM CD for Sale


$20?

let me know if you get any higher bids.

thanks,

Roger


Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:50:17 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: UVS trivia question


what song did Kim Deal do with Ultra Vivid Scene?

Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:08:27 EDT
From: "C.K. Coney" (violaine@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Tones on Tail


On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 06:55:28 -0400 stereolad  writes:
>>At this point I have to speak up in support of Tones On Tail, whom
>I've
>>long loved. Can someone give some reasons for dismissing them so
>rudely?
>
>Basically, it's because of that song of theirs that I used to hear so
>often
>on my local modern rock station (until I stopped listening, that is).
>The
>title escapes me, but the song consists of annoying percussion +
>annoying
>fuzz bass + annoying treated vocals going "yayayayayaya yaya ya" most
>of the
>time.
>

The song is "Go". I happen to like it cause it has lots of energy.
Besides making you want to get up off your hiney and dance, it also is
great music to play when you have house cleaning to do in a hurry, like
when a party is coming to your house.

I love all things Bauhaus & have all the L & R stuff, two D. Ash solo,
and the wonderful Tones on Tail. Happily, I was able to see L & R rock
out during their recent  US tour.

>Oh well, at least Daniel Ash was smart enough to stop being a goth.

What's goth got to do with it?

CK Coney
>


Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:55:14 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: More Chris


>Now, to be honest, I wouldn't mind if Lush call it a day. 7 years 4
>albums, that's more than enough for a band!

    Yeah, I agree. But I never did get to see them live (I'm not saying
they should stay together just for me, but it'd be nice to see them
once).
     I remember Miki saying in a radio interview (loveline) that her
and Chris are (were) best friends. I have the interview on tape and
Chris sounded like a depressed guy. Ya'know the droning on voice. But I
don't know if that's from being depressed. Don't most people talk like
that over there (England)? Maybe I'm mistaken.

 I really feel for them, life sucks.

                                    Brian


Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:17:42 -0700
From: andrew dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: UVS trivia question


> UVS trivia question
>
> Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
> Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:50:17 -0400

> what song did Kim Deal do with Ultra Vivid Scene?

Special One. (twas on Joy and a single)

video is great, just the two of them sat on high stools. i don't think
kurt was expecting what kim did near the end though.

andy

Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 02:11:01 -0700
From: Paul (pauld@BEST.COM)
Subject: Re: UVS trivia question


At 09:50 PM 10/21/96 -0400, you wrote:
>what song did Kim Deal do with Ultra Vivid Scene?
>
>
I think it's called Precious One or somthing like that. Nothing after their
(UVS's) fantastic first lp has really held my attention, in fact the only
thing I remember about that song is the Kurt/Kim kiss in the video.

the california wildfire of unsubstantiated rumors,

-Paul

Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 01:41:32 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: More Chris


>      I remember Miki saying in a radio interview (loveline) that her
> and Chris are (were) best friends. I have the interview on tape and
> Chris sounded like a depressed guy. Ya'know the droning on voice. But I
> don't know if that's from being depressed. Don't most people talk like
> that over there (England)? Maybe I'm mistaken.

>From what I've seen in interviews, Chris was a happy guy.  He was always
cracking clever jokes and having a fun time.  Everyone liked him.  How
could you not?  We shouldn't try to look for reasons that lead to his
suicide.  Even his closest friends probably had NO idea there was even a
chance of something like this happening. If he was depressed, he hid it
very well.

I'll let someone with .uk at the end of their address comment on the
droning voice part.  I'm going to stay FAR away from that cos I'm plenty
warm already.

aaron


Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:41:56 -0300
From: Rodrigo de Sousa Lariu (mmlariu@copa.rio.com.br)
Subject: Re: Seely


I've received a promo copy of SEELY from TOO PURE USA. I guess they send it to
me due to my zine. Thanks a lot (if you're still in the list). I'll
write something about them in my next edition (portuguese only).
i liked it a lot

>just a friendly little reminder that the new album 'Julie Only' by Seely,
>Too Pure's first US signing, has been released this week.  so check it
>out.  European tour dates are likely follow soon, but no news yet on US shows.
>
>-greg

Rodrigo
Midsummer Madness zine
mmlariu@rio.com.br


Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:38:44 -0400
From: Dave Sargent (fairlee@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET)
Subject: fear of black pants


excuuuuuuse the hell out of me. it was a simple mistake. i swear.
so everyone picks on the minor flaw in my post:
"it's 'fear of a black HAT!', you idiot"
i confess i'm an idiot.
but what about the more subtle and potentially scathing indictments i made, like
the possibility that we're no more sophisticated and discerning group of
audiophiles than those four year old crack heads who wear their sweat-pants with
one leg rolled up and the waist around their arses? you know what identifies us
as pavlovian consumers? the fact that we are more than willing to snatch up two
ten dollar singles of the same song and even more so when it's a "limited
edition of 5000"?
my point is this; do we ever get to the point where we stop listening to the
music and become simple consumers? do you, like me, ever buy a cd based purely
on the artwork or the fact that warren defever produced it, not because it's
going to be a good album, but because you have a sickening need to own all
things 4ad?
i'd like to think that we're a bit more sophisticated as a group of listeners
(generalization alert!), but when i read those petty two liners, i begin to
wonder. let's get into substance, not style.
eh
dave
fairlee@access.digex.net
"      "<-------sign language for "witty blurb"

Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:29:15 -0600
From: Jess Mangold (jman@SELWAY.UMT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Breeders and Dead Can Dance


>Hello fellow 4ADists,
>
>I've recently bought the Breeder's album "Last Splash" and I'm loving
>it. Can any one impart more information to me about this band. I have
>a feeling that they have released an earlier album. Is this correct?
>Have any of the band members been involved with other bands?
>

Why yes, The Breeders do have an earlier album. It's named "Pod" and it came
out on 4AD
in 1992. Tanya Donnely played lead on that album shortly after her split
from Throwing Muses and before forming Belly. Kim Deal herself played bass
for the Pixies (an all time favorite of mine) I'm not sure who Josephine
Wiggs played for, but I'm sure that someone else could provide you with that
insight. The Breeders also released an EP in conjunction with Pod titled
"Safari"; it has some excellent tracks (including a Donnelized version of
"Do You Love Me Now?") and is worth checking out. I would also check out as
many Pixies albums as you can get your hands on.
Sadly enough, the Breeders are at present defunct because of personal
problems. Kim Deal is presently fronting a band known as the Amps, also
worth checking out. The name of the album is "Pacer" and can also be found
on the 4AD label; there is also some EP's that they released but I'm not
certain of the titles. The Amps toured with Sonic Youth earlier this year
and they put on a decent show.
Well, I hope that the info I provided provided you with some insight. I'm
sure that other people on this list will be happy to fill in the gaps I left.
Good Luck!

Jess


Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 06:07:10 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: For Pete (or someone) from Too Pure re: Seely - (NO 4AD)


Pete,

I received "Julie Only" last week. I would like to say thanks very much. It is n
t often we in the
outlying areas of the world receive promo CDs, particularly as an unexpected sur
rise!

As far as the music is concerned, it really is a pleasant CD. I think I would li
en it to
My Bloody Valentine (in places), and a number of bands with female singers (for
example Liquorice). Good interchanging of male / female vocals - definitely enjo
able.

Thanks again,

Chris


Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:34:52 -0400
From: RBNRy@AOL.COM
Subject: DCD's John Bonnar


What does tour member John Bonnar have to do with Wire?

Curious.

Roy


Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:41:45 -0700
From: nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: DCD's John Bonnar


> What does tour member John Bonnar have to do with Wire?

He played on at least one of Colin Newman's
solo albums, Commercial Suicide.



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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:12:12 -0500
From: John Doe (950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU)
Subject: Re: Chris Acland without a k


fuck you too

Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:39:01 CST6DST
From: PEREZ GUTIERREZ JORGE HUMBERTO (AR24051@VOXEL.GDL.ITESO.MX)
Subject: Re: Breeders and Dead Can Dance


THE FIRST INCARNATION OF THE BREEDERS (ON 4AD OF COURSE) WAS IN 1990
INCLUDING TANYA DONELLY (BELLY, THROWING MUSES), JO WHIGGS (PERFECT
DISASTER), KIM DEAL ( PIXIES, BREEDERS ) AND A CHANGING LINEUP OF
DRUMERS, THEY RELEASE AND GREAT ALBUM ( POD ).
THE BREEDERS RELEASE THE SAFARI ep. TWO YEARS LATER AND IN 1993
RELEASE LAST SPLASH ( WITHOUT TANYA DONELLY, BUT INCLUDING KIM'S
SISTER KELLEY DEAL).


Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:15:37 -0400
From: Steven Holmes (sbholmes@ALPHA.DELTA.EDU)
Subject: His Name is EAST LANSING


dont think anyone else has posted this..but this thursday....here in East
Lansing Michigan...  His Name is Alive and Windy and CArl will be playing
at the Small Planet.....im soooo psyched...i could explode...opps i just
did...


steve

Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:12:18 -0400
From: RBNRy@AOL.COM
Subject: Breeders90210


>>They released the first album, 'Pod'. The band at this time the band had
Kim, Josephine, Tanya Donelly and Shannon Doughty(?), Tanya being on day
release from the Throwing Muses.<<

Shannon left after fighting over parking spaces with Tanya.

Yes, stupid, I know. It was then-Slinter, Albini-pet,19-year old, Kentucky
native Britt Walford that played on "Pod", under the Shannon Doughton(?)
moniker, and "Safari", under the oh-so-clever Mike Hunt alias. Other talents
included nose-picking (with drum sticks, of course), and being in Slint.

Roy

Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:34:34 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Cocteau Twins site up?


Anyone try to connect to www.cocteautwins.com lately? Is it still there?

t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
{ceci n'est pas une web site}


Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 02:24:37 +0700
From: Renati Adriani (novo@JAKARTA.WASANTARA.NET.ID)
Subject: Re: Breeders


Josephine Wiggs had a side project with Kate Schellenbach of Luscious
Jackson called Ladies Who Lunch. They released a 7" with covers of "the Kims
we love" : The Pixies' "Gigantic" (but of course) and Sonic Youth's "Bull in
the Heather." This was last year, if I remember correctly.

PS. This is my first post. Hi everyone!

Tituk
novo@jakarta.wasantara.net.id
CD du jour: Greatest Hits! -- The Association


Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 23:35:48 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: DCD's John Bonnar


At 09:41 22-10-96 -0700, you wrote:
>> What does tour member John Bonnar have to do with Wire?
>
>He played on at least one of Colin Newman's
>solo albums, Commercial Suicide.

That's SEAN Bonnar, not John.

Frank
+++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++


Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:23:30 -0400
From: BVirts@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: UVS trivia question


that would be "special one" from the album "joy 1967-1990"

-v


Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:41:04 -0400
From: Cliff Walton (cliff@FOURAD.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: More Chris


>cracking clever jokes and having a fun time.  Everyone liked him.  How
>could you not?  We shouldn't try to look for reasons that lead to his
>suicide.  Even his closest friends probably had NO idea there was even a
>chance of something like this happening. If he was depressed, he hid it
>very well.
>
>I'll let someone with .uk at the end of their address comment on the
>droning voice part.  I'm going to stay FAR away from that cos I'm plenty
>warm already.
>
>aaron

I agree, aren't we all spending a little too much time on the reasons why?
Chris is no longer alive, and it came as a complete surprise to all of us.
Certain elements of the press are already trying to find a few words from
any interview over the last few years to indicate Chris may not be 100%
happy with his lot, and suggest that this was the reason why. All
unfortunately expected and understandably tawdry.

The droning voice could be something to do with the fact that we're not all
that confortable in front of the microphone.

What I'm very relieved to be able to say, and it sure it goes for everyone
who knew him, is that the only memories I have of him are happy ones.

Thanks,

cliff - 4AD


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