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Subject: Re: Any Bettie Serveert fans?
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:36:26 -0400
From: Chris Mayes (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Any Bettie Serveert fans?
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:35:02 -0400
From: Chris Mayes (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Re: No More Canadian Shit
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:26:39 -0400
From: Chris Mayes (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Re: No More Canadian Shit
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:19:49 -0500
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Half String personnel
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 22:32:32 -0700
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Nurse with Wound????
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:54:07 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Don't complain about Canada with your mouth full (no music
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 06:55:47 -0400
From: stereolad (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: RAINBIRDS
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:53:18 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: It's all unfortunate...
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:39:05 -0700
From: Your Name (yourfirst.yourlast@SHERIDANC.ON.CA)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Nurse with Wound????
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:19:53 -0500
From: Brad Shelton (shelton@HURRICANE.NET2.NLU.EDU)
Subject: Re: fate of MTV Amp program
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:08:17 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: No More Canadian Shit/ Dreampop list
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:00:56 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: URLs in 4AD-L archives
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:49:08 -0600
From: Christopher Hanis (cmhanis@NYX.NYX.NET)
Subject: <<4AD-and-Related Music Auction>>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:44:19 -0400
From: "M. Garrett/H. Payne" (blanket@WORLD.STD.COM)
Subject: Shinro Ohtake
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:24:32 +0200
From: matthias walzner (artbooks@WWW-STUDIO.COM)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Nurse with Wound????
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:34:44 -0500
From: Jon Corbett Wetzel (jcw0003@JOVE.ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: New Kranky releases
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:39:35 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: ACHTUNG! NOT LISTY was No More Canadian Shit
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:27:51 -0400
From: "gerald r. fnord" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Nurse with Wound????
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:10:20 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Doom Generation - enlighten me....(NON 4AD sort-of)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:33:58 -0500
From: Jon Corbett Wetzel (jcw0003@JOVE.ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: THANK YOU CANADA!
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:43:45 -0500
From: Lysa Bellott (dijit@NS.ACADIACOM.NET)
Subject: Re: No More Canadian Shit
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:44:04 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Stereolab on compilation
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:47:32 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: crap music
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:44:40 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:36:26 -0400
From: Chris Mayes (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Any Bettie Serveert fans?


Whoops, sorry abt posting to the list like that.  Hit the send button,
then my forehead ;-)  It's time for bed.

                                G'Night!
                                        Chris

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:35:02 -0400
From: Chris Mayes (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Any Bettie Serveert fans?


full-length/going on a US tour anytime soon?  Just wonderin'.

                                Takk,
                                    Chris

P.S. Cool discog!  I assume from the lack of updating on the pages
linked near the bottom that little is going on with the band recently,
but I thought I'd ask anyway.  C ya on the list!

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:26:39 -0400
From: Chris Mayes (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Re: No More Canadian Shit


It's fine to have rational discussions on a list such as this, even if
it goes off topic (I think it is, anyway).  However, when people start
to get hot under the collar and sling mud at others, things have gone
too far.  When yr point of origin/residence becomes a subject of
ridicule on a music discussion list, it seems to me that the accuser has
overstepped rational thought.  Let's stop being so personal with the
generalizations!
        In my opinion, the majority of people, no matter their background,
suck.  Is this a fair judgement?  Probably not.  It is simply based on
fact that the ratio of people I encounter who I dislike to the ones I
can tolerate is badly tipped in favor of the former.  Finally, I'd like
to ask that people who wish to disparage a country, corporation, music
type or otherwise keep criticisms targeted at probable causes rather
than (for instance) the citizens of an entire country.  That's my
thoughts on an already-dead subject.  Thank you.

                        Chris, that misanthropic kid brooding in the corner.

Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:19:49 -0500
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: No More Canadian Shit


"Stay on target."

Cedric Caspesyan wrote:
>
> > i have a two-word oxymoron for 'ya:
> >
> > canadian cinema
> >
>
>   Ha ! Ha ! I can assure you, however boring you might
>   find it sometimes ("Boring Art Doesn't Mean Bad Art"),
>   there is such a thing as "Canadian Cinema", but there is many
>   of them : West, French, and Maritimes.
>   I could go on on the precise "irony" that defines "our"
>   cinema, but I won't : I have the feeling it wouldn't interest you.
>
> > you know, canada could repeal nafta and ban all exports from
> > america if it wanted to.
>
>   I was talking about "the Whole World", not just Canada.
>   In fact, I don't really give a damn about countries and
>   frontiers : I'm forced to consider these facts, that's all.
>   Besides, I never said "everything from USA is bad", Just
>   everything "Corporate" made in the prescriptive process of
>   an ideal to control or influence a whole world's market.
>
>
>  instead> it wants to enjoy the convenience of the american consumer
> > lifestyle
>
>   What ?! What convenience is there for a citizen living in
>   Atlanta having to buy Coke in Olympic Games era because they
>   won't let you find anything else in the city. Drinking cola
>   is a personal choice. Having to choose Coke or Pepsi is no
>   choice at all. "Convenience of American Consumer Lifestyle" ?
>   Take Michael Jackson and make a Stalin sculpture, the lifestyle
>   you talk about is a "control" of a lifestyle, It's capitalism
>   resulting in a new form of "communism".
>
>  while reserving the right to bitch about it.
> >
>
>   "I" am too depressed about it to really feel "bitchy".
>    And don't assume that I'm "the Voice Of Canada".
>    I take full responsabilities of my words on my own self.
>
>
> > and this is probably the most compelling evidence of
> > canada's wholesale acceptance of americanism--the attitude
> > which allows one to complain loudly while enthusiastically
> > complying with the so-called evil.
>
>   Condescencion. Really... My point was : this whole world
>   (orient and occident) is becoming "Americanist", and this
>    scares ME (not "Canada", but ME, myself and I), cos I
>    don't trust some of the patterns. I wish US democracy
>    to a certain extent to every country in the world,
>    but not its "econocraty". They are books written by
>    Americans about this : they use the term "present-mindness"
>    to define what we are to fear about the USA evergrowing
>    influence on all "lifestyles". The oxymoron to
>    describe the idea would be "american future". There is no
>    evidence of a sense of "consequence". It's all "space"
>    (Mc Donalds everywhere in the world) and not "time"
>    (conscience of future generations looking at its past
>     and its vestiges). Now..... Don't bitch on me.....
>     This is all written by Americans. Beside : I love USA !!
>     I travel there a lot and I love the people.
>     When I speak, I try not to involve my whole country in my
>     sayings. So It is natural for me to respond to such
>     conceptions when I feel it to be unpurposed.
>     That was the reason of my "flame".
>     I hope some people got that.
>
>     (edri(


Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 22:32:32 -0700
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: Re: Half String personnel


Hi BC...etc,etc...

I keep forgetting to ask you!
What's the personnel rundown for the HS incarnation on the _Fascination..._ LP?
Need to know this so I give credit-where-credit's-due in the review.

Thanks-
GuerillaG...etc,etc...


Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:54:07 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Nurse with Wound????

              Oct 14, 96 10:48:57 am

 princess dragonlisa  wrote on Mon, 14 Oct 1996
 (Subject: Stereolab & Nurse with Wound????)
 > I saw this listing in the parasol catalogue.  Has anyone heard this
 > or does anyone have any idea what the motives behind this were?
 > Were they brilliant or terrible or bland?

 This is "Crumb Duck" - the two NWW remixes of Stereolab (on "Refried
 Ectoplasm"), and some NWW tracks.  I love the Stereolab mixes
 (anal-retentive Krautrock fans will inform you that one is a straight
 Neu rip-off), haven't heard the NWW tracks.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 06:55:47 -0400
From: stereolad (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Don't complain about Canada with your mouth full (no music

              content)

> i have a two-word oxymoron for 'ya:
>
>                canadian cinema

I guess you should make sure you see Jesus of Montreal, or Exotica, or
Double Happiness or anything by David Cronenberg.

>        you know, canada could repeal nafta and ban all exports from
>        america if it wanted to. but it doesnt want to.

And just maybe the US could play fair in the whole deal instead of saying
"buy our stuff, but we're not buying yours" (viz. wheat, softwood lumber).

> instead,
>        it wants to enjoy the convenience of the american consumer
>        lifestyle while reserving the right to bitch about it.

Canadians would complain about anything, even if the US didn't exist.

>        and this is probably the most compelling evidence of
>        canada's wholesale acceptance of americanism--the attitude
>        which allows one to complain loudly while enthusiastically
>        complying with the so-called evil.

Otherwise known as hypocrisy, which is not limited to Canada (see also France).

>        america--the city on the hill--where one can have shit
>        cake, and eat it too.  get used to it or vote.

Canada - where the people buy Cuban cigars and take vacations in Havana just
to annoy Jesse Helms.

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:53:18 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: RAINBIRDS


On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:33:38 -0700, shar everett
 wrote:

>hmmm
>like the song 7 compartments...
>is that on the tape you have - is the rest of the tape like it???

Yep, same one. "7 Compartments" is a little less pop than the rest of
it, but basically the same sound. Tastes vary! If you like "7
Compartments", you'd probably enjoy it. Don't mind me.

Paul


Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:39:05 -0700
From: Your Name (yourfirst.yourlast@SHERIDANC.ON.CA)
Subject: Re: It's all unfortunate...


Well... Mojave3 are great... Red House Painters were great (still are
great but this is the 4AD list so I had better not offend)... I'm
afraid that I can't stand Scheer (did I misspell that)... the Cocteaus
are still tremendous... and cutting up each other on a list designed to
talk about good music is a fooking waste of time... Cheers to you all,
just grow up please...

Sean

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:19:53 -0500
From: Brad Shelton (shelton@HURRICANE.NET2.NLU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Nurse with Wound????


>  princess dragonlisa  wrote on Mon, 14 Oct 1996
>  (Subject: Stereolab & Nurse with Wound????)
>  > I saw this listing in the parasol catalogue.  Has anyone heard this
>  > or does anyone have any idea what the motives behind this were?
>  > Were they brilliant or terrible or bland?
>
>  This is "Crumb Duck" - the two NWW remixes of Stereolab (on "Refried
>  Ectoplasm"), and some NWW tracks.  I love the Stereolab mixes
>  (anal-retentive Krautrock fans will inform you that one is a straight
>  Neu rip-off), haven't heard the NWW tracks.

I purchased this last week, having heard the 2 tracks on "Refried Ectoplasm".
I was disappointed to find out that the rest of the recording is, as Jack
pointed out, NWW tracks with no Stereolab involvement.

As for the quality of the tracks, the two collab tracks are fine, but
the NWW tracks I don't really care for.  Thing is, I bought this
expecting to hear some NWW tracks, but I was also expecting to like them.
It gets shipped back for exchange tomorrow.  Maybe I'll exchange it
for "Xuvetyn".. :]

Cheers, Brad

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:08:17 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: fate of MTV Amp program


i hear it was a 50/50 proposition...earlier on the idm list there was a
plea for all to email mtv and tell them to keep it on...so, if ur
interested, pls do so,,,,
On Sat, 12 Oct 1996 09:23:42 +0100 "Igor V. Boronenkov"
 writes:
>I had a chance to see the tape recently, it was broadcasted about 3
>weeks
>ago at 1:30am. The program was called "Amp" and featured the following
>Autecre, FSOL, Orbital, Aphex Twin, Tricky, Chem.Brothers, Underworld,
>SunElectric, Ken Ishii etc.
>
>Needless to say, I am interested to hear (and see) more. Is it going
>to be
>a regular program? Once a month? Any clue ?
>
>Boroda
>

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:00:56 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: No More Canadian Shit/ Dreampop list


    As for the country bashing thing listen: THE WHOLE PLANET SUCKS so
STOP BITCHING! LIFE SUCKS! EVERYTHING SUCKS!

    One thing that doesn't suck however is my taste in music. Could
anyone get me the address of the dreampop list if it is still up
please.

     Any news on the Sundays or MBV? Any bands that sound like these
that are any good? There's nothing out there that is good (as in good I
mean stuff I like.) I hate it when that happens. It means I'm losing
intrest in the stuff I like, which means that I'll be spending money I
don't have on cd's. Ever have that happen? It'd be the 2nd time for me.

      One more thing... A while ago I compared Magnetic Feilds w/ the
Crash Test Dummies and people said I was on Crack. I they do sound like
Crash Test Dummies. The deep voice, the acoustic instruments. C'mon
make the connection already.

                                                    Brian


- Watashi wa ocha o nomimasu
- Ii desu ne
- Issho ni hoteru o ikimasen ka?
- Iie
- Anata wa rezu desu!

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:49:08 -0600
From: Christopher Hanis (cmhanis@NYX.NYX.NET)
Subject: URLs in 4AD-L archives


I've been following 4AD-L on the www.evo.org archives, as it's easier for
me than being subscribed now, and i've noticed that the machine strips
out some things, particularly any URL starting at the beginning of a
line.  It's probably some quirk with the way the server handles the text,
but it's causing me to miss a lot of URL references.

Let's see what will and will not go through....

*test mode on*

1. URL Starting with "http://"


2. URL Starting with "URL: http://"


3. URL Starting with "www.xxx"

www.nyx.net/~cmhanis/lanois.gif

*test mode off*

Anyone referencing a URL in their mail to 4AD-L might want to take into
account this quirk so people viewing the archive can get to it (i.e., I
still haven't seen the mystery parade site yet).

anyone who actually cares to look at my design can see:

A Sufi triptych at http://www.nyx.net/~cmhanis/triptych.jpg

A poster for a play at http://www.nyx.net/~cmhanis/burn.jpg

Daniel Lanois page at http://www.nyx.net/~cmhanis/lanois.html

+La Luna La Luna La Luna+
|. .   .    . .   .  . .| Chris Hanis
|  .    .  .     .  ..  |
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| . .   .    .   .    . |
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+La Luna La Luna La Luna+

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:44:19 -0400
From: "M. Garrett/H. Payne" (blanket@WORLD.STD.COM)
Subject: <<4AD-and-Related Music Auction>>


*This is the 2nd annual <<4AD-and-Related Music Auction>>.
*The list of items is long and includes CDs, 7 and 12 inches, and posters.
*The auction is open to cash, money order, and check bids, as well as
  trade offers.  (If you are interested in trading, please refer to my
  WANT list at the end of this message.  I prefer offers that fulfill
  items from my WANT list over anything else, including cash, and will
  give priority to such trade offers.)
*When making bids/offers, please estimate your total to include shipping
  costs (particularly if you live outside of the contiguous US).
*This is the first and last time I will post this to the 4AD-List -- all
  auctioning is to be conducted off of the List, and bidders will be
  updated privately.
*Everything is in excellent condition, unless otherwise noted.
*The auction will end at 10pm EST on Tuesday, October 22.
*If you are interested in one or more items, direct your bids/offers by
  private e-mail to Mike at BLANKET@WORLD.STD.COM


==============
CDs for Sale/Trade
==============

       AIR MIAMI -- I Hate Milk (4AD/PRO-CD-7816)  Promo cd single with
album version of title track.  In jewel case.
       AMERICAN MUSIC CLUB -- Over And Done (Reprise/PRO-CD-6233)
Promo-only cd single with title track, plus two great non-album tracks.
       THE AMPS -- Tipp City (Elektra/PRCD-9363)  1 track promo cd
single with album version.  In jewel case.
       APHEX TWIN -- Words and Music (Sire/WB/PRO-Cd-6878)  Promo-
only interview cd from 1994.  29 minutes.
       BELLY -- Sun (Sire/PRO-CD-7774)  Promo-only ep in cardboard
slipcase, featuring Judas My Heart, 2 tracks recorded live in London
(Judas My Heart, and The Bees), and 2 non-album tracks (Judas Mon
Coeur, and Spaceman).
       HEIDI BERRY -- Distant Thunder (4AD/PRO-CD-6544)  Promo-only
cd with album version, and 3 non-album tracks: Zither Song, You Upset
the Grace of Living When You Lie, and Gloria (from the UK album Love).
       FRANK BLACK -- Conversation and Music With... (Elektra/PRCD-
8829)  Promo-only cd, 45 minutes.  Interviewed by Kurt St. Thomas,
June 22, 1993.  White carboard sleeve with image of FB on round sticker.
       FRANK BLACK -- Live 6/24/93 10pm est (Elektra/4AD/PRCD?)
Promo-only cd, 45 minutes.  Frank Black and They Might Be Giants
performing 14 FB and TMBG songs.
       CATHERINE WHEEL -- The Nude (Fontana/CDP-1191)  Promo single.
Digi-pak foldout with three photos.  1 track: Scott Litt remix.
       NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS -- I Had A Dream, Joe (Mute/
PR8622)  Promo-only single with title track, plus live versions of The
Good Son, The Carney, and The Mercy Seat.
       CHAPTERHOUSE -- Mermerise (BMG/RDJ-62151)  Promo copy of ep
with title track, Precious One, Summer Chill, and Then We Will Rise.
       CHAPTERHOUSE -- Falling Down (BMG/RDJ-62019)  Promo single.
19 minutes.  4 tracks: 2 from album, plus Feel the Same, and Satin Safe.
       CHAPTERHOUSE -- We Are the Beautiful (Arista/ASCD-2626)
Promo ep.  36 minutes.  4 tracks: two remixes, plus Frost, and Picnic.
       CHAPTERHOUSE -- We Are the Beautiful (Arista/ASCD-2640)
Promo cd with US Edit of title track, plus Spookys Extravaganja Dub Mix.
       CONTROLLED BLEEDING -- Songs from the Ashes (CLM-CD022)
Promo copy.  70 minutes.  16 tracks.
       CURVE -- Horror Head (Charisma/PRCD-0100)  Promo cd with Alan
Moulder mix of HH, and live versions of Coast Is Clear and Die Like A Dog.
       COCTEAU TWINS -- Peppermint Pig (4AD/BAD 303CD)  Out-of-print
UK cd with 7 inch and 12 inch versions of PP, plus Laugh Lines, and Hazel.
       CORNERSHOP -- Wog (WB/PRO-CD-7949)  Promo single with 5
mixes of title track by Freaky Chakra and Witchman.
       CRANES -- Shining Road (Arista/ASCD-2756)  Promo cd with album
version of title track, Flood 12 inch remixes of Lilies and Paris & Rome,
an instrumental version of Green Song, and September.
       CRANES -- Adrift (Dedicated/Crane005CD)  UK single with the
tracks Adrift, Everywhere, and Underwater.
       CRANES -- Lilies (Arista/ASCD-2793)  Promo-only ep compiling
rare and unreleased tracks, including Brighter, Casa Blanca, Leave Her to
Heaven, Shine Like Stars, plus Flood mixes of Lilies and Paris & Rome.
       THE DAMBUILDERS -- Jailbreak 1991 (Eastwast/PRCD-5874)
Promo-only ep with 3 unreleased tracks, and an early version of a song
that later appeared on their recent album.
       THE DAMBUILDERS -- Speed Is the Object (Eastwest/PRCD-9384)
Promo only ep.  5 tracks, 3 unreleased, including a cover of an X song.
       DEAD CAN DANCE -- American Dreaming (PRO-CD-7213)  Promo
cd with album version. CD color is TTW-grey, not usual promo-orange.
       DEAD CAN DANCE -- Toward the Within (VADD4015)  Limited edition
cardboard box with the CD and videotape.  Mint condition (still unused!).
       DELERIUM -- Euphoric (Third Mind/TMD-9262)  34 minute ep from
1991 with title track, plus Decade, Grave Mentor, and Sorrow.
       EDEN -- Gateway to the Mysteries (Third Mind/TMD-9219)  Promo
copy.  71 minutes.  16 tracks.
       BRIAN ENO -- Ali Click (Opal/WB-9-40650)  Compact Disc Maxi-
Single.  41 minutes.  8 tracks: 7 remixes, plus I Fall Up.
       BRIAN ENO -- Fractal Zoom (Opal/WB-9-40539)  70 minute single
with 12 tracks: 11 remixes, plus The Roil, The Choke.
       THE FRANK AND WALTERS -- s/t (Setana/Go! Discs/162351005)
Cut-out copy with 10 tracks, 3 of which were produced by Edwyn Collins.
       LISA GERMANO -- You Make Me Want to Wear Dresses (Capitol/
DPRO-79747)  Promo-only single of radio version from original Capitol
release, with picture of LG on cover.
       LISA GERMANO -- Cry Wolf (4AD/PRO-CD-7347)  Promo-only single
featuring edit version of CW, remixes of Sexy Little Girl Princess
and Cancer of Everything, plus non-album track The Mirror Is Gone.
       HALF STRING -- Tripped Up Breathing  (IPR-048CD)  Limited edition
5 track ep in beautiful Independent Project Records packaging.
       HUMAN DRAMA -- s/t (Projekt/PRO052)  28 minutes.  8 tracks,
including a re-recording of their 1989 single The Waiting Hour.
       IVY -- no title (SEED/PRCD 6474)  Promo-only tour cd single with a
remix of Beautiful, and an acoustic version of Dont Believe A Word.
       KITCHENS OF DISTINCTION -- Quick As Rainbows (A&M/75021-
7536)  Promo-only single with title track, plus These Drinkers,
Elephantiny, and Three To Beam Up.  In cardboard slipcase.
       LUNA -- 3 Stories (Elektra/Prcd 9241)  Promo-only cd with
Chinatown, 23 Minutes In Brussels, and Bonnie and Clyde.
       LUSH -- Last Night (4AD/PRO-CD-8034)  Promo-only cd with 3
mixes of Last Night, remixes of Undertow and Lovelife, plus the
Ladykillers demo.
       MEDICINE -- Shot Forth Self Living (Def American/45067)  Cut-out
copy of 1992 album with 9 tracks, including 5ive and Aruca.
       MINXUS -- s/t (Too Pure/PURECD-40)  UK ep featuring Steal Steal
Steal, Today I..., and Silk Purse, Slender Means.
       MOJAVE 3 -- Love Songs On the Radio (4AD/PRO-CD-7960)  Promo
single with radio edit of title track.
       PETER MURPHY -- Youre So Close (Beggars Banquet/BEG-62302)
Cut-out copy of single with album track, plus live versions of Line
Between the Devils Teeth, Cuts You Up, and All Night Long.
       NEGATIVLAND -- Fair Use: Story of the Letter U and the Numeral 2
(Seeland-013CD)  Promo release version.  72 minutes.  9 songs and one
26-minute spoken word piece.  Radio sampler from CD/book release.
       NEW ORDER -- World (The Price of Love) (WB/PRO-CD-6276)
Promo single with 4 mixes of title track.
       PALE SAINTS -- Angel (Will You Be My) (4AD/PRO-CD-7140) Promo
cd with album version.  CD art different from usual promo-orange.
       PALE SAINTS -- Henry (4AD/PRO-CD-7131)  Promo single with
album versions of Henry and One Blue Hill.
       SCHEER -- Schism ep (4AD/BAD5012)  UK ep in foldout digi-pak.
       SPACEMEN 3 -- Big City (RCA/RDJ-2801)  Promo release.  20
minutes.  4 tracks: Drive, Big City (Waves of Joy) demo, Drive
(Everybody I Know Can Be Found Here), and Drive (demo).
       STRAITJACKET FITS -- Missing from Melt (Arista/ASCD-2244)
3 remixes, plus non-album tracks In Spite of It All and Cave In.
       SWELL -- Forget About Jesus ep (American/ARB-4CD)  UK ep.
       SWELL -- Room To Think (Def American/PRO-CD-5917)  1993
Promo ep with At Long Last, Here It Is, Lifes Great, Give, Just Get Well.
       SWERVEDRIVER -- Sandblasted ep (Creation/CRESCD102)  1991 UK
ep with title track, Flawed, Out, and Laze It Up.  Slightly worn slipcase.
       SWERVEDRIVER -- Reel to Real (A&M/75021-2402)  Promo copy.
16  minutes.  4 tracks, three of which are exclusive.
       SWERVEDRIVER -- Never Lose That Feeling (Creation/CRESCD120)
UK ep with NLTF, Scrawl And Scream, Hands, and alt. version of NLTF.
       SWERVEDRIVER -- Duel (Creation/CRESCD136)  UK single with title
track, Planes Over the Skyline, and Year of the Girl.
       UNDERWORLD -- Pearls Girl (TVT8739-2P)  Promo-only cd single in
slimline case, with the radio edit, album version, and carp dreams remix.
       VARIOUS -- Guernica sampler (GUP-3-CD)  1993 UK promo for 4AD.
3 tracks each from Insides, That Dog, and Spoonfed Hybrid in slipcase.
       VARIOUS -- The Winter of Our Discontent (T&N/Volume1)  Tooth and
Nail Records 1994 Winter Sampler.  74 minutes.  23 tracks: 2-4 songs
each from Star Flyer 59, MxPx, Havalina Moon, and 5 more bands.
       VARIOUS -- Trademark of Quality 1996 (Reprise/PRO-CD-8370)
22 track promo-only cd of rarities, like Lush covering an Elvis Costello
song.  Plus rare tracks from Tarnation, Nick Cave, Spectrum, Wilco, etc.
       VARIOUS -- Opal: Assembly 1 (PRO-CD-3175)  Promo-only release.
34 minutes.  10 track sampler of Opal recording artists, including Hugo
Largo, Brian Eno, Roger Eno, Harold Budd and Laraaji.  With a detailed
insert booklet.
       VARIOUS -- Too Pure sampler (Too Pure/Rough Trade/RTD121-
3075)  UK promo sampler with album cuts from Mouse on Mars, Laika,
Long Fin Killie, and Minxus, plus the unreleased demo of Biography of a
First Son by Jack.
       THE WOLFGANG PRESS -- Mamma Told Me Not to Come (4AD-40674)
5 track single with remixes of Mamma Told Me Not to Come and
Birmingham to Jerusalem.  Slight scuff on Digi-Pak spine.


===============
Vinyl for Sale/Trade
===============

       AIR MIAMI -- I Hate Milk (remix)/Afternoon Train Train (remix #2)
(4AD/PRO-S-7823)  Promo-only 7 inch with 2 exclusive remixes.
       ALISONS HALO -- Dozen/Calendar (IPR049)  Promo copy.  2 track
7 inch.  Letterpress foldover sleeve.
       TORI AMOS -- Under the Pink (Atlantic/82567)  Special limited
edition pink vinyl LP.  Still in shrink wrap!
       AREA -- Fragments of the Morning (CLM-LP031)  Promo copy.  43
minute LP.  10 tracks on white vinyl.  Slight scuffing on sleeve.
       AREA -- The Perfect Dream (CLM-LP006)  Promo copy.  10 tracks.
       BRIAN -- You Dont Want A Boyfriend (Detzi/DTZ-1)  1991 7 inch
featuring title track and Dont Leave Me Behind.
       COCTEAU TWINS -- A Kissed Out Red Floatboat (SPRO-79512)
Promo 1 track 2-sided 12 inch single.
       TH FAITH HEALERS -- My Loser/Oh Baby (Elektra/ST-E-64666)
Promo 7 inch welcoming TFH to Elektra in 1992. Transparent blue vinyl.
       HALF STRING -- Oval/Sun Less Sea (IPR047/TX002)  Promo copy.
2 track 7 inch.  Limited edition of 1000.  Letterpress foldover sleeve.
       HEAVENLY BODIES -- Celestial (CLM-LP010)  Promo copy.  9 tracks.
       HUMAN HANDS -- s/t (IPR/005) 2nd Edition IPR reissue from 1990.
23 track double LP.  Songs recorded 1979-1981.  Unused copy.
       SCENIC -- The Kelso Run (IPR046)  Promo copy.  3 track 7 inch, b/w
East Mojave Shuffle and Down Black Canyon Road.  Letterpress foldover
sleeve.  Limited edition of 1200.
       SMALL FACTORY -- The Last Time That We Talked/Movies (Vernon
Yard/R-16025) Promo 7inch with a non-album track on opaque teal vinyl.
       SPIRITUALIZED -- Smile/Sway (Dedicated/SPIRT-003)  Radio edit
versions of 2 tracks on clear vinyl 7 inch.
       VARIOUS -- Music for Films III (Opal/WB/25769)  Promo copy of
1988 LP with Brian Eno, Daniel Lanois, Michael Brook, Roger Eno,
Laraaji, Harold Budd, John Paul Jones, Misha Mahlin, Lydia Theremin.
       VARIOUS -- Aint This Bliss, With You This (Spin the Bottle/STB001)
1994 Double 7 inch comp.  1 song each from 5 artists: TARNATION, THE
BUCKETS (w/ Carrie Bradley), ASSPONYS, THE DOUBTERS, DIESELHED.
       VARIOUS -- 4AD Promo 7 inch (4AD/CHIN 1) Double A-side promo
with Walking In Straight Lines by INSIDES and Bad Childs Dolly by THE
GLEE CLUB.
       PAUL WELLER -- Shadow of the Sun (live) (Go Discs/PNME01)
3 track 7 inch: b/w Sunflower (Lynch Mob Dub Edit) and Wild Wood (Sheared
Wood, Portishead remix).


===================
Posters for Sale/Trade
===================

LUSH -- Lovelife  18x24 inch retail promotional poster.  Picture of band
members sitting on the floor.  4AD emblem in corner.  In mint condition.


===========
My Want List
===========

I am interested in trading for rare/obscure releases (any format) from
these artists, but I would also consider dub tapes of rare stuff (such as
concerts, radio broadcasts, acoustic versions, remixes, demos, etc.):

Air Miami/Unrest, Lou Barlow (Sebadoh/Sentridoh/etc.), Bettie
Serveert, Bjork, Kim Deal (Breeders/Amps/etc.), Lisa Germano,
Grenadine, Ben Lee/Noise Addict, Low, Luna/Galaxie 500, PJ Harvey,
Barbara Manning/SF Seals, Morrissey, Stina Nordenstam, Pavement,
REM, The Sea and Cake, The Spinanes, 3Ds, (most) TeenBeat bands,
Versus, The Wedding Present.

=============
Specific Wants
=============

here is a breakdown of known-items that I am looking for:

Barbara Manning: Hummingbird, and Still?/Rip Off&Cool 7 inches
San Franciso Seals/Dambuilders: final 7 inch in the Daves Garage series
Luna/Dean Wareham: Time/Egg Nog promo 7 inch, and DW solo 7 inches
Galaxie 500: Today and Blue Thunder ep cds; cd sampler from the box set
Stina Nordenstam: cd singles (most are imports)
Cat Power: cd ep on Runt records; various 7 inches
His Name Is Alive: Universal Frequencies cd ep
The Wedding Present: George Best + 9 cd (Canadian reissue)
Glands of External Secretion: Northern Exposure... cd
The Sea & Cake: 7 inches
Noise Addict: Aussie-only releases


Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:24:32 +0200
From: matthias walzner (artbooks@WWW-STUDIO.COM)
Subject: Shinro Ohtake


Interested in Shinro Ohtake`s books like Tokyo Salamander along with Vaugh
Oliver?

Please check out my site:



Regards,


Matthias

artbooks@www-studio.com


Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:34:44 -0500
From: Jon Corbett Wetzel (jcw0003@JOVE.ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Nurse with Wound????


The stereolab and nurse with wounds songs are on refried ectoplasm

On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, princess dragonlisa wrote:

> I saw this listing in the parasol catalogue.  Has anyone heard this or
> does anyone have any idea what the motives behind this were?
> Were they brilliant or terrible or bland?
>
> lisaroo
>

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:39:35 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: New Kranky releases


>From the new Kranky update:

Release date November 4:

LABRADFORD 'Labradford' LP/CD (Krank-013)
BOWERY ELECTRIC 'Beat' CD (Krank-014)

Coming Soon:

STARS OF THE LID 'Lid Over America' dLP/CD (KRANK-015)



Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:27:51 -0400
From: "gerald r. fnord" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: ACHTUNG! NOT LISTY was No More Canadian Shit


On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Cedric Caspesyan wrote:

>   Besides, I never said "everything from USA is bad", Just
>   everything "Corporate"


        your computer. that stack of 4ad product over by your
        stereo...

>   what you talk about is a "control" of a lifestyle, It's capitalism
>   resulting in a new form of "communism".

        uhhhhh....what? i think that any 7th grader would grant
        you that americanism is synonomous with fascism, but
        "communism?" i dont see it.  and in terms of control
        over the lifestyles of the world's population, most any
        country could choose non-participation. many individuals,
        especially in open societies such as canada can choose
        non-participation. but you cant have that computer,
        or that stack of 4ad products, or that stereo without
        paying a price. part of this payment is the forefiture
        of your freedom to choose not to participate.

        which leaves you, cedric, personally responsible for
        the thing that you rail against.

>   Condescencion. Really... My point was : this whole world
>   (orient and occident) is becoming "Americanist",

        in addition to the various political entities actively
        and successfully resisting americanism, there are
        untold numbers of individuals, many within the borders
        of the most industrialized countries on the planet,
        who actively and successfully resist americanism.

        but amongst those who choose and champion this way of living,
        i think that you'll find that those who share your (cedric)
        all-or-nothing view of what is and what is not "communist
        corporate americanism" are either (as mentioned in a
        previous post) eating berries and living in trees, or
        living in rustic cabins in montana and blowing up
        college professors.


     I wish US democracy
>    to a certain extent to every country in the world,
>    but not its "econocraty".

        the two are one. wherever you find a US sponsored
        'democracy' you find corporate muscle on one side
        of the street, and a goon squad on the other (cia,
        nsa, contras, and other freedom fighters ).
        but the fact that you can imagine otherwise indicates
        (to me) the half-bakedness of your diatribe.


>    Americans about this : they use the term "present-mindness"
>    to define what we are to fear about the USA evergrowing
>    influence on all "lifestyles". The oxymoron to
>    describe the idea would be "american future". There is no
>    evidence of a sense of "consequence". It's all "space"


        oh, most certainly. what suprises me, however, is how
        thousand-years-old countries--with rich cultural and ethnic
        memories and fierce nationalism--seem to fall over themselves
        in their eagerness to emulate the american lifestyle and
        mindset (present-mindedness).  my own theory is that they
        are simply being seduced. it happens to the best of us.
        seduced by the promise of an escape from misery through
        buying things. this is the absolute basis of americanism.
        our tragic flaw as humans is that we are lazy, and will
        substitute spirit for easy comforts. home theater and a t-1
        connection to the 'net.

>     So It is natural for me to respond to such
>     conceptions when I feel it to be unpurposed.
>     That was the reason of my "flame".
>     I hope some people got that.


        i struggle with these concerns daily, and i dont mean
        to change your mind. i do hope, however, that the
        all-or-nothing attitude you seem to have will withstand
        some constructive criticism. i myself have been ravished
        by the seduction of 'things'. records, speakers, computer
        equipment, the house, the car, the furnature....
        and i try to do what i can to help. do what i can to
        make this society even a fraction more humane than it is.
        but i cannot get up on a soapbox and accuse anyone of
        americanism without first accusing myself. i am responsible
        for it.

        and until we can all get together, turn off the computers,
        quit buying, quit working like slaves, quit allowing magical
        green tickets to rule our lives, we _all_ have to accept
        the blame for what we've got.

        it's my fault
        fnord


****************************************************************************
          I'm totally in support of free access to the net,
          all I'm trying to say in that song is 'please don't
          try and tell me it's the same as going to another
          planet.' Because, if we had the choice between sitting
          down all day and cruising the net or doing what Shannon
          Lucid did, for me it's no contest."  --Billy Bragg


Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:10:20 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Stereolab & Nurse with Wound????


>  princess dragonlisa  wrote on Mon, 14 Oct 1996
>  (Subject: Stereolab & Nurse with Wound????)
>  > I saw this listing in the parasol catalogue.  Has anyone heard this
>  > or does anyone have any idea what the motives behind this were?
>  > Were they brilliant or terrible or bland?
>
>  This is "Crumb Duck"

The Stereolab songs of course are wonderful... I've heard them close a
show with this material once and it was nearly religious.
The Nurse With Wound tracks are kind of what I call 'whirring & clicking'
techno/ambient. They kind of hover at the edge of music and
semi-industrial/mechanical background noise. Interesting but not my cup
of tea.
BTW I can get this disc at about $20, which is a little less than the $28
I've seen it going for in most of the indie shops 'round town. If
anybody's interested, post me privately.


Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:33:58 -0500
From: Jon Corbett Wetzel (jcw0003@JOVE.ACS.UNT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Doom Generation - enlighten me....(NON 4AD sort-of)


That movie has got to be one of the single worst movies that I have ever
seen.  It does have a very good soundtrack (Verve, Slowdive, etc), but the
movie will probably show up in future episodes of MST3K (it's that bad)


Jon


On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Can some kind soul tell me a bit about "The Doom Generation". I remember talk 
bout
> it and remember TMC links and the like. It is finally here in SA (art circuit)
and I am going
> to go and see it. Pretty wierd so I gather. Any movies I could liken it to (NB
, Pulp fiction,
> Kalifornia etc.)???
>
> Chris
>


Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:43:45 -0500
From: Lysa Bellott (dijit@NS.ACADIACOM.NET)
Subject: THANK YOU CANADA!


and now more offthislisty stuff...


I'd just like to say:

"THANK YOU CANADA FOR 'KIDS IN THE HALL'!!!"

There I've said it.
Now lets all make nice-nice and get on with our lives.

Lysa


Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:44:04 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: No More Canadian Shit


at some point in our lives we did indeed all suck! at least literally!
On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:26:39 -0400 Chris Mayes
 writes:
>It's fine to have rational discussions on a list such as this, even if
>it goes off topic (I think it is, anyway).  However, when people start
>to get hot under the collar and sling mud at others, things have gone
>too far.  When yr point of origin/residence becomes a subject of
>ridicule on a music discussion list, it seems to me that the accuser
>has
>overstepped rational thought.  Let's stop being so personal with the
>generalizations!
>        In my opinion, the majority of people, no matter their
>background,
>suck.  Is this a fair judgement?  Probably not.  It is simply based on
>fact that the ratio of people I encounter who I dislike to the ones I
>can tolerate is badly tipped in favor of the former.  Finally, I'd
>like
>to ask that people who wish to disparage a country, corporation, music
>type or otherwise keep criticisms targeted at probable causes rather
>than (for instance) the citizens of an entire country.  That's my
>thoughts on an already-dead subject.  Thank you.
>
>                        Chris, that misanthropic kid brooding in the
>corner.
>


Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:47:32 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Stereolab on compilation


Chris Mayes reports:
>The track is a double song, I suppose.  It's titled One Note
>Samba/Surfboard.  The 'lab are paired With a guy called Herbie Mann, who
>I assume must be a Latin-style flutist, as this instrument is very
>prominent in the mix.

"One Note Samba" is, I believe, one of those classic '50s Samba songs. A
sample from a wacky '60s Moog rendition appears on "Transient
Random-Noise Bursts With Announcements", I think at the end of "Pack Yr
Romantic Mind".

"Surfboard" was performed by the maestro Juan Garcia Esquivel back in the
early '60s, not sure who originally composed it. It's on the first of the
recent Esquivel compilations, "Space Age Bachelor Pad Music" (term coined
by Byron Werner to describe the whole Esquivelesque genre, later nicked
by Stereolab.)

Herbie Mann is a well-known jazz/fusion flutist.

Sounds like a cool track, I may have to hunt down a [used] copy of the
comp.

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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:44:40 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: crap music


        I've been overusing the delete key on all this Alanis Morisette/Kula
Shaker business. I mean, who cares. sure there is a lot of drivel released - I
could list loads of bands / artists who are over-rated toss. But my solution is
to ignore them. Does anyone care that these bands sell billions of records?
Shit, if there was a dearth of good new music (US/UK or anywhere) then perhaps
I'd be worried, but there's tons of great, imaginative, challenging music being
made in all spheres. If you judge music's worth by its sales, then you deserve
the crap you get dished up.

- Dez


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