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Subject: Re: B. Capps Auction #3
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 00:19:12 -0400
From: Franz Zuber (Jazzman@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: RAINBIRDS
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 07:13:11 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: recent v23 work
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 10:02:00 +0100
From: "SEBASTIAN.MUNDT" (Sebastian.Mundt@T-ONLINE.DE)
Subject: Re: recent v23 work/Detox label
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 07:46:21 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: fate of MTV Amp program
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 09:23:42 +0100
From: "Igor V. Boronenkov" (iboronen@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: fax fer trade mon
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 04:30:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: fate of MTV Amp program
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 12:41:18 -0400
From: Chris Mayes (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Alanis is, unfortunately, still alive
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 12:41:06 -0400
From: stereolad (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: NO MORE ALANIS, please
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 10:26:03 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: List of 4AD artists
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:59:45 +0100
From: Milosz Zielinski (zielinski@DATACOMM.CH)
Subject: Re: The U.S. is going to hell
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:21:11 -0400
From: John Porter (jporter@POP.BTG.COM)
Subject: Re: fate of MTV Amp program
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:22:04 -0500
From: Ernesto Nieto Guzman (neitzl@WWW.TEQCORP.COM.MX)
Subject: Re: List of 4AD artists
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:37:05 -0400
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: 1982
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:40:37 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: NO MORE ALANIS, please
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:47:30 -0400
From: Nathan Medema (ay642@freenet.carleton.ca)
Subject: Re: The U.S. is going to hell
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 01:13:12 -0400
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)

Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 00:19:12 -0400
From: Franz Zuber (Jazzman@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: B. Capps Auction #3


if you come across any peter murphy rarities, i'm a buyer


Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 07:13:11 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: RAINBIRDS


On Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:37:59 -0700, shar everett
 wrote:

>does anyone have any info on this band??

Do you mean the German band fronted by Katharina Franck? I have their
debut (I think) album on Mercury, "Rainbirds". Didn't like it much;
haven't listened to it in years. Just dug it out: hmm, cute smile.=20

Anyway, if you're looking for a souce, German Music Express has a
bunch of their albums listed: http://www.musicexpress.com/

Paul


Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 10:02:00 +0100
From: "SEBASTIAN.MUNDT" (Sebastian.Mundt@T-ONLINE.DE)
Subject: recent v23 work


rumours say that chris and paul are working on a non-4ad cover design due out
next month. it seems to be a dance release ep titled "sign of life" by a band
called aeroplane on the UK detox label. it will be available in record shops
only (no mail order anywhere).


Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 07:46:21 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: recent v23 work/Detox label


I don't believe that anyone has mentioned it here (unless it was discreetly
hidden inside one of those inappropriate totally non-listy Alanis posts which
I've been deleting regularly), but...
Detox is supposed to be some kind of new 4AD offshoot label; they will be UK
only and have 3 CD EPs lined up:

1. Touchan (features Linzi Garry from The Specials)
2. Aeroplane
3. Stellar

Touchan was slated for the end of September, but I haven't heard anything
about it.  The other two are scheduled for the end of November.  I also
believe that the Thrush Puppies are supposed to release on Detox.

-Just coz You Outta Know
CJ


Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 09:23:42 +0100
From: "Igor V. Boronenkov" (iboronen@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: fate of MTV Amp program


I had a chance to see the tape recently, it was broadcasted about 3 weeks
ago at 1:30am. The program was called "Amp" and featured the following
Autecre, FSOL, Orbital, Aphex Twin, Tricky, Chem.Brothers, Underworld,
SunElectric, Ken Ishii etc.

Needless to say, I am interested to hear (and see) more. Is it going to be
a regular program? Once a month? Any clue ?

Boroda


Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 07:32:16 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: fax fer trade mon (fwd)


Since not all Faxites are foolish or unfortunate enough to be on the
ambient list...

(Otherwise, please excuse the crosspost.)

 e

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 04:30:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: fax fer trade mon



All but one are wrapped. I am not willing to sell, only trade. Check my
page at ftp.netcom.com/pub/ei/einexile/mism/faxoff/trademe.html for my
wantlist, or faxguide.html to peek at my collection and make a
suggestion. Thanks...

A New Consciousness 2
Transonic 3
Dreamfish 2
The MS-Series
Otras
XJacks
Otras 2 (unwrapped & skips on best song, but better than nothing I suppose)
Chris Meloche "Wireless"
Xangadix 2
The Dark Side of the Moog 2


  e


Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 12:41:18 -0400
From: Chris Mayes (mm211595@OAK.CATS.OHIOU.EDU)
Subject: Re: fate of MTV Amp program


I have wondered the same thing...  A theory about its fate is that Amp
was actually part of a preview that was shown on MTV for their new
channel, M2.  Seeing as I've never seen any listings for it since, and
MTV seems to ignore my queries, I'm sticking with this theory, and am
trying to find someone who actually has M2 to test my theory.  Anyway,
that's my guess.
                                        Chris M.

Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 12:41:06 -0400
From: stereolad (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Alanis is, unfortunately, still alive


>If Alanis had started on 4ad and didn't sell so many CD's everyone here
>would love her.

Not necessarily. Opinions on her would be divided just as they are on
Scheer, the Amps, GusGus, etc. Most people don't:
a) hate artists just because they sell lots of records; or
b) like them just because they sell very few

That would be a very stupid criterion to work with.

Latest reason to dislike Alanis: inspired Dalbello to try to make a comeback

Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 10:26:03 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: NO MORE ALANIS, please


Most of us dislike her because tired of hearing her on the radio (AND ON
THIS LIST!)...

We won't forget this too soon, Canada... ;)

t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
{Ceci n'est pas une web site}--->10.10.96


Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:59:45 +0100
From: Milosz Zielinski (zielinski@DATACOMM.CH)
Subject: List of 4AD artists


Hi,

I`m new on this mailing list and I only know a few 4AD artists. Can someone
mail me the whole list of artists currently working for 4AD?

Thanks

Milosz


Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:21:11 -0400
From: John Porter (jporter@POP.BTG.COM)
Subject: Re: The U.S. is going to hell

              Oct 11, 96 01:48:49 pm

> ... pretty soon, everyone will listen to "underground"
> music just because they get ripped on by all their friends for listening to
> mainstream bands, and then the whole music world will flip and everyone will
> rush to listen to the bands that used to be mainstream again, in order to be
> trendy.
> kevin sheridan
> ksherid@uoft02.utoledo.edu

This is exactly what happened with "Alternative".
"Alternative" is not alternative any more, and hasn't been for
a long time.  "Alternative" is mainstream, pure and simple.
All -- and I mean All -- the highschool kids in my neighborhood
are into "Alternative".  (Oh OK, there may be a few violin-players
amongst 'em, who would rather go to the opera with their folks...)
As I overheard the 17-year-old neighbor girl explaining to her
parents, "Alternative is just label; it doesn't mean anything."
And that's why we don't need top-40 any more; I can here the same
Smashing Pumpkins song 24 times a day on four or five "Alternative"
radio stations  in my area.

John Porter
jporter@btg.com


Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:22:04 -0500
From: Ernesto Nieto Guzman (neitzl@WWW.TEQCORP.COM.MX)
Subject: Re: fate of MTV Amp program


I have M2 but i dont know what time the show appears, any clues as to when
and ill be sure to give it a looksie.


At 12:41 PM 10/12/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I have wondered the same thing...  A theory about its fate is that Amp
>was actually part of a preview that was shown on MTV for their new
>channel, M2.  Seeing as I've never seen any listings for it since, and
>MTV seems to ignore my queries, I'm sticking with this theory, and am
>trying to find someone who actually has M2 to test my theory.  Anyway,
>that's my guess.
>                                        Chris M.
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:37:05 -0400
From: Aaron Hill (Fan4AD@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: List of 4AD artists


Check up the Eyesore Data base.  They have everything.  WIll leave the
address later.

Aaron


Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 14:40:37 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: 1982


Belatedly, but due to popular demand (I kid not), here's my rundown on '82. For
those who may not have seen the first part, this is a response to a question -
not just me showing off!

CAD201 Colin Newman - Not To (LP). 12 short, quirky songs from the Wire-man
including a cover of Blue Jay Way, and not including anything called Fish. Quite
good, and currently available on CD twinned with CAD108

JAD202 Birthday Party/Lydia Lunch - Split LP. 4 live stabs of BP action,
including a tortured cover of the Stooges' Loose. Not essential. Coupled with a
droning 16 minute art-wank thing by the ex-Jerk and Beirut Slumper. Probably
deleted.

BAD203 Tones on Tail (12"). One of those dreadful Bauhaus spin-offs. No
redeeming features at all. Deleted, and long may it rot.

AD204 Happy Family - Puritans (7"). Inoffensive quirky pop from some ex-Josef K
sidemen and Nick Currie aka Momus. Deleted, but available on CAD214 CD reissue.

BAD205 In Camera - Fin (12"). A posthumous release of a 1980 Peel session.
Notable for their meisterwerk, an eleven minute mantra called 'The Fatal Day'.
Hypnotic, drone-like and finally dramatic - wouldn't sound out of place on
Kranky. All IC stuff is collected on the 13 CD.

CAD206 Modern English - After The Snow (LP). An example of the tenet that
learning to play needn't be a good thing. Gone is the two chord thrashing and
remedial basslines to be replaced by a greater sense of pop melody and texture -
and all the charm goes out the window.

CAD207 Birthday Party - Junkyard (LP). It's sprawling, it's chaotic, it's
mysoginist, it's a mess. But it's a cracking album, nevertheless. Spitting
disgust, spite, self-pity but in a perversely uplifting way. An essential album.

BAD208 Modern English - Life In The Gladhouse (12"). Turgid and dreary.

AD209 Colin Newman - We Means We Starts (7"). More goofy Newmanesque pop.

BAD210 Howard/Lunch - Some Velvet Morning (12"). Nancy and Lee they're not, but
this junked up version is just fine by me, and I Fell In Love With A Ghost is
even better.

CAD211 Cocteau Twins - Garlands (LP). Y'all know what this sounds like. Tinny
drum-machine, tinny guitars and nonsensical warbling. But it does have a certain
charm. They got better, of course, before descending into a candyfloss of
blandness.

AD212 Modern English - I Melt With You (7"). Long before it became an
alterna-rock staple (the very fact which indicates how mainstream this is.) It
remains a chirpy enough pop tune, but forgettable.

BAD213 Cocteau Twins - Lullabies (12"). Not a huge progression from garlands,
but a progression.

CAD214 Happy Family - The man On Your Street (LP). Dubious concept album alert.
Two wordy, and so the tunes are all fast and choppy, and often pretty annoying.
March In Turin is just fine, but on the whole, crap.

BAD215 Colourbox - Breakdown (7"/12"). The first version. Now rare, and
certainly inferior to the remix, but not by that much. Time has been much kinder
to Colourbox than a lot of their contemporaries. The records still sound great
in an almost old school kind of way.

That was 1982. I'm not going to go any further because a) most post-82 stuff is
both well-known and freely available, and the original purpose of this was to
provide some sort of clue as to what the early stuff sounded like. And b), I
don't want to provoke flame-armageddon, because I reckon that between the end of
the Birthday Party and the coming of the Muses, 4AD wallowed in ethereal
self-parody. Colourbox aside, the label got bogged down in proto-goth and
directionless cod-ambient rock, an image that has stuck (just witness the
sneering comments in the dance press about the label whilst praising /gus Gus to
the skies), and one that probably attracted a lot of listies here in the first
place. Colourbox were fucking marvelous though.

- dez

Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:47:30 -0400
From: Nathan Medema (ay642@freenet.carleton.ca)
Subject: Re: NO MORE ALANIS, please


>Most of us dislike her because tired of hearing her on the radio (AND ON
>THIS LIST!)...
>
>We won't forget this too soon, Canada... ;)

Oh, and I suppose all us Canucks should just get down on our hands and
knees and thank our friendly neighbors in the South for Hootie and the
Blowfish? ;)

All in good jest,
        Nathan


--
Nathan Medema (aka...well, Nathan Medema)       ay642@freenet.carleton.ca

          *** "If you're so special, why aren't you dead?" ***
                                -The Breeders, "I Just Wanna Get Along"


Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 01:13:12 -0400
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: The U.S. is going to hell


On Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:49:04 -0500 John Doe <950573@UTB1.UTB.EDU>
>the bottom line is that she sucks.  not only that, but she looks like a
>horse too  ;)

Nothing wrong with looking like a horse!

Dobbin
xxx

PS Neigh.


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