4ad-l Mail for 10-07-1996

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Subject: Robin Guthrie
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:15:38 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: His name is still alive?
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:14:58 +1100
From: surtr (surtr@SYDNEY.HEALEY.COM.AU)
Subject: Re: His name is still alive?
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:53:08 EDT
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: His name is still alive?
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:25:30 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: New Frazier Chorus anyone?
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:57:08 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: question about 4ad-l itself
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:39:12 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Where are the Rose Chronicles?
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:41:46 EDT
From: Gwen C Uetrecht (gck@CBSMS1.CB.LUCENT.COM)
Subject: RHP/John Cale show
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:56:34 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:49:52 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: gusgus
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:05:08 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: gusgus
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:04:28 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:07:09 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: question about 4ad-l itself
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:36:24 -0500
From: John Roseborough (jrose@CS.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: New Frazier Chorus anyone?
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:27:32 -0700
From: Michael Buck (mbuck@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: unsubscribing
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:59:35 -0600
From: deborah gail dutcher (schmucko@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance's cover
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:27:50 CET
From: Adam Olszewski (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.EDU.PL)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:38:46 -0400
From: Scott David Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:38:00 -0400
From: John Porter (jporter@POP.BTG.COM)
Subject: LS vs. NY (was: Re: Brendan Perry)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:33:54 -0400
From: John Porter (jporter@POP.BTG.COM)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:40:24 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: question about 4ad-l itself
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:47:24 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: FOUND: MOOD PROVOKING MUSIC FOR WINTER
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:28:37 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: GUSGUSGUSGUSGUSGUSGUS
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:23:48 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: question about 4ad-l itself
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:07:44 -0400
From: Gravity Boy (keith@DGVIS.ER.USGS.GOV)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:20:25 +0000
From: "Nadim B." (nadim@commotion.com)
Subject: Re: RHP/John Cale show
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:25:03 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: His name is still alive?
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:28:41 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: question about 4ad-l itself
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:06:59 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: question about 4ad-l itself
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:15:19 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:57:36 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: LS vs. NY (was: Re: Brendan Perry)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:00:38 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Rob Woiccak
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 01:09:22 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Topilino II
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:49:17 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:15:38 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Robin Guthrie


 There's yet another on-line magazine just started,
 www.shiftcontrol.com, an offshoot of the Guardian newspaper.  Not
 particularly stunning, though there is a "Robin Guthrie picks his five
 favourite websites" feature (one being Jack's official Cocteaus site).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 18:14:58 +1100
From: surtr (surtr@SYDNEY.HEALEY.COM.AU)
Subject: Re: His name is still alive?


> The other night I saw a video by a band listed as His Name Is Still
> Alive.  The track was "Are we still married?"  The clip was pretty
> good, as was the song.  Is this actually HNIA with a typo? Is it
> some type of side-project band? Or is it a completely different band
> who nobody knows anything about? Is that track from the latest
> album?
>
> Cameron
Looks like some kind of typo, I found the track on both 'Home Is In Your
Head' and 'The Dirt Eaters', don't know if it's anywhere else, though
sometimes the "Are we still.." is very small or left off completely,
such on the back of HIIYH.

Danny.
--------------------------------------------------------
'Not only am I not learning anything, but I'm forgetting
  stuff I used to know!'  -The Simpsons

surtr@healey.com.au  OR
  n9443080@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au
--------------------------------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:53:08 EDT
From: "Steven Hipkiss." (sah577@VMS1.BHAM.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: His name is still alive?


Hi,

Cameron Webb wrote
>>The other night I saw a video by a band listed as His Name Is Still
Alive.  The track was "Are we still married?"  The clip was pretty
good, as was the song.  Is this actually HNIA with a typo? Is it
some type of side-project band? Or is it a completely different band
who nobody knows anything about? Is that track from the latest
album?<<

 Off the top of my head I can tell you that there is a track with the
same/similar title on their second album. "Home is where the heart is"
is the title of the album I think.

  Steve.
s.a.hipkiss@bham.ac.uk


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:25:30 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: His name is still alive?


On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Cameron Webb wrote:

> The other night I saw a video by a band listed as His Name Is Still
> Alive.  The track was "Are we still married?"  The clip was pretty
> good, as was the song.  Is this actually HNIA with a typo? Is it
> some type of side-project band? Or is it a completely different band
> who nobody knows anything about? Is that track from the latest
> album?
>

        'are we still married' was initially released on "the
        dirt eaters" ep, b/w 'we hold the land in great esteem',
        'tigers do' and 'the dirt eaters'. the american release
        of "home is in your head" includes this ep in its entirety.
        i think the aussie version will not include the ep.

        the video is directed by the brothers quay, and is imo
        fantastic. if anyone has seen the Tool video, that's
        the quay bros also. great stuff. so yeah, it _was_
        hnia. how nice to live in a country where such
        goodies are shown on television


              *****************************************
              ich bin dan              owilde@umich.edu
              *****************************************

 It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of saphoo
    that thoughts acquire speed,the lips acquire stains, the stains
     become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

          --Mentat Piter de Vries of the Great House Harkonnen


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:57:08 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: New Frazier Chorus anyone?


the mystery parade  writes:

> Saw the new full-length CD in the used bin...anyone care to post a
> review?

Has there been a new release after the, uhm, "Wide Awake" mini album?
If it is this release you've seen, and you liked "Ray", then you'll
probably like "Wide Awake".  I mean, "Sue" was fantastic, "Ray" was
"ehh" and "Wide Awake" is "ehh, uhm".  :-)  It's not very good -- it's
even more boring than "Ray" was, but it does have 1 quite nice track,
and the other 5 kinda rolls along unobtrusively.  If you're not a
Frazier Chorus fan -- keep clear.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:39:12 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: question about 4ad-l itself


        i'm writing a paper on usenet vs. listserv, and would
        find the following info very helpful:


        url of the FAQ (sorry jens, i forgot)

        approximate date of the inception of 4ad-l

        the URL of the schism-offshoot group's manifesto (jens again?)

        besides the metric tonnage of spam on alt.music.4ad,
        i've found it to be content-poor vs. 4ad-l, and
        i am also noting that 4ad-l enjoys the benefit
        of being monitored by at least one lable rep
        (tom) and one 4ad artist (trey of velour/hnia).

        any other advice would be helpful to me. muchas gracias


              *****************************************
              ich bin dan              owilde@umich.edu
              *****************************************

 It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of saphoo
    that thoughts acquire speed,the lips acquire stains, the stains
     become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

          --Mentat Piter de Vries of the Great House Harkonnen

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:41:46 EDT
From: Gwen C Uetrecht (gck@CBSMS1.CB.LUCENT.COM)
Subject: Re: Where are the Rose Chronicles?

              Oct 5, 96 8:50 pm

new album coming out soon...

>
> >Hello?, hello? this is purely an experiment, I have absolutely no idea
> >what I,m doing on the internet or whatever this is. Anyway does anybody
> >know if the rose chronicles still exist or if they ever released
> >anything except shiver and dead and gone to heaven. Why can't I get into
> >the netwerk site and find out for myself?. How did I do?
>
>
> They have a new album called "Happily Ever After" coming out
> at the end of this month in Canada. Try nettwerk.com or go through
> the wimsey.com main page.
>
> Steve
>
> ***********************************************************
> You wanna see me? Know about me?
> Look on this web page under Stevenn:
> http://www.rust.net/~aarin/centperk/reg_gifs.html
>
> Atelier Design Communications
> Steven Venn, b.f.a. - Graphic Designer
> 139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
> Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1
>
> (905) 884-2601
> email: svenn@inforamp.net
>
> "Listen pal, you can't just waltz in here, use my toaster
>  and start spouting universal truths without qualification!"
>                   -Jude from Hal Hartley's  "Surviving Desire"
>
>
>


--
Gwen C. Uetrecht                Phone:  +1 614 860-4341
Lucent Technologies Inc.        Fax:    +1 614-868-4002
6200 East Broad St.             Email:  grebo@lucent.com
Columbus, OH 43213              Room:   3E-297 CB


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:56:34 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: RHP/John Cale show


Hi all,

For those of you who have already seen the aforementioned show, how is the
John Cale portion of it. I don't know if I've ever heard any of his stuff
so I was wondering if it will be worth staying for that portion of the
show.

Please email me personally.

Thanks,

matthew

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:49:52 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry


on what is the sinead version?
On Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:54:00 -0700 beswick 
>On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Cameron Byrd wrote:
>
>> depressing music, Dead Can Dance has the two must depressing songs
>I've
>> ever heard: The Wind that Shakes the Barley and I Lay Stretched on
>your
>> Grave.
>
>
>I agree that I Am Stretched on Your Grave is depressing, but I think
>Sinead's version is way superior and more depressing than Brendan
>warbling.  Sounds like he's singing to his dead hamster, for all the
>emotion he gives the song.
>
>=)
>
>Strick9
>

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:05:08 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: gusgus


we'll you know what they say all Icelandic people look alike
rich


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:04:28 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: gusgus


The gusgus record is different than the Icelandic version.  A lot of the
record has been rerecorded.

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:07:09 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry


Brendan's record is up in the air.  Brendan has been working on it
periodically, but no end in sight.  Who knows he may finish it in a few
months or he may do it in years.  We'll wait and see.

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:36:24 -0500
From: John Roseborough (jrose@CS.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: question about 4ad-l itself


>        i'm writing a paper on usenet vs. listserv, and would
>        find the following info very helpful:
>
>
>        url of the FAQ (sorry jens, i forgot)


>        approximate date of the inception of 4ad-l

This is up to debate. I joined in late 1992, and I know the list was up before t
en. Many of the people I knew on the list then aren't still on now. I'm sure Jen
 or Lars could answer this one more accurately.

>        the URL of the schism-offshoot group's manifesto (jens again?)

for "pure-impure" list info:

>        besides the metric tonnage of spam on alt.music.4ad,
>        i've found it to be content-poor vs. 4ad-l, and
>        i am also noting that 4ad-l enjoys the benefit
>        of being monitored by at least one lable rep
>        (tom) and one 4ad artist (trey of velour/hnia).

I'm not sure who Tom is, but I think Rich Holtzman is 4ad's presence on 4ad-l.

>
>        any other advice would be helpful to me. muchas gracias

I'd be interested in seeing this paper once you've finished, if you don't mind. 
ow about HTMLing it?

John

>
>              *****************************************
>              ich bin dan              owilde@umich.edu
>              *****************************************
>
> It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of saphoo
>    that thoughts acquire speed,the lips acquire stains, the stains
>     become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
>
>          --Mentat Piter de Vries of the Great House Harkonnen


_________________________________________________________________
                                  j o h n   r o s e b o r o u g h


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:27:32 -0700
From: Michael Buck (mbuck@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: New Frazier Chorus anyone?


On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> Has there been a new release after the, uhm, "Wide Awake" mini album?

When was this released?  I had thought that "Ray" was the last thing they
had put out?

Michael Buck
mbuck@netcom.com

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:59:35 -0600
From: deborah gail dutcher (schmucko@UNM.EDU)
Subject: Re: unsubscribing


On Sat, 5 Oct 1996, Jennifer and Jeffrey Nicholls wrote:

> Our internal hard drive crashed and so we lost all of our subscribing
> information.  Until we can get everything up and running again, we need to
> unsubscribe.  Does anyone know how to do that?
>
Can you tell me how to unsubscribe also?


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:27:50 CET
From: Adam Olszewski (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.EDU.PL)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance's cover

              

 "next thing you know, DCD fans will paint graffiti arrows on the graves
   of Pere Lachaise like Morrison fans"

errgh.. i beg your pardon.. there IS a difference between DCD fans and
Jim Morrison's fans though...

adam

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:38:46 -0400
From: Scott David Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry


>on what is the sinead version?

i do not want what i haven't got

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
scott anderson




                      sanderson@sbra.com
                  humgiant@user1.channel1.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:38:00 -0400
From: John Porter (jporter@POP.BTG.COM)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry

              "beswick" at Oct 4, 96 02:54:00 pm

> On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Cameron Byrd wrote:
> I agree that I Am Stretched on Your Grave is depressing, but I think
> Sinead's version is way superior ...

Mind if I ask what album the Sinead version can be found on?
Thanks!

John Porter
jporter@btg.com

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:33:54 -0400
From: John Porter (jporter@POP.BTG.COM)
Subject: LS vs. NY (was: Re: Brendan Perry)

u> from "sean devine" at Oct 4,
              96 06:28:31 pm

> On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, cz wrote:
> "a natural beauty should be preserved like a monument"-neil young
> "i hope neil young can remember, a southern man dont need him round
> anyhow"-ls

You know that this like from LS was in response to NY's song
"Southern Man", right?

John Porter
jporter@btg.com


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:40:24 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry


On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Tom Weibrecht wrote:
>
> on what is the sinead version?




        the lp "i do not want what i havent got" (which also
        features andy rourke of the smiths on bass) contains
        her version of the song: backed by a loop sampled from
        james brown's "funky drummer". in performance she would
        sing the song accompanied only by a reel-to-reel machine
        which was wheeled out onstage for this one song.

        the song is credited to somebody of the last name o'connor
        in the credits to ttw, but this is most likely _not_
        sinead (ever looked in an irish phonebook under the
        o'somethings??)

              *****************************************
              ich bin dan              owilde@umich.edu
              *****************************************

 It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of saphoo
    that thoughts acquire speed,the lips acquire stains, the stains
     become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

          --Mentat Piter de Vries of the Great House Harkonnen

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:47:24 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: question about 4ad-l itself


dan'l asks:
>        url of the FAQ (sorry jens, i forgot)

Nolo problemo. I no longer run the faq, it's moved to:

    http://www.milhoan.com/music/4AD_FAQ.html

>        approximate date of the inception of 4ad-l

That's a tough 'un. I joined in late '91, and it was already going
strong. There may be a few old crusties still here who joined before me...

>        the URL of the schism-offshoot group's manifesto (jens again?)

The pure-impure web page is at:

    http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/pure-impure/

For your paper you might want to use the quote "A mailing list is like
inviting your friends over for a party. A newsgroup is like leaving your
front door open and putting a sign saying FREE BEER in your front yard."
Sorry, I don't know the author; some well known Net pundit like John
Perry Barlow, probably. I read it in Wired a few months ago,
cybertrendoid that I am.

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

      Goodnight stars   Goodnight air   Goodnight noises everywhere
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:28:37 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: FOUND: MOOD PROVOKING MUSIC FOR WINTER


mine doesen't either... it is truly a tradgedy... but an amazing soundtrack
none the less....


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:23:48 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: GUSGUSGUSGUSGUSGUSGUS


where can i locate these promo singles??? have they only been released in
the uk?? would anyone with access to them be willing to send some to me??
any info would be greatly appreciated...

thanks,
shar
sharlito@teleport.com

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:07:44 -0400
From: Gravity Boy (keith@DGVIS.ER.USGS.GOV)
Subject: Re: question about 4ad-l itself

              at Oct 7, 96 09:36:24 am

> >        approximate date of the inception of 4ad-l
>
> This is up to debate. I joined in late 1992, and I know the list was up before
> then. Many of the people I knew on the list then aren't still on now. I'm sure
> Jens or Lars could answer this one more accurately.

well, i joined the list back in early '89, and i seem to remember the archives
went back to sometime in '88 (november sticks in my head). the person who
would really know this would be Jim Jones (the 4ad-l founder) but i think he's
given up completely on the list. Brant Nelson probably was on before me...

what ever happened to the earliest archives? it was kind of fun when there was
only 3-5 posts *A WEEK* :)

oh, and for you total net-geeks. the original list was on BITNET!

Keith

 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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                    US Geological Survey, Reston, VA
                web page - http://dgvis.er.usgs.GOV/~keith/
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:20:25 +0000
From: "Nadim B." (nadim@commotion.com)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry


John Porter wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, Cameron Byrd wrote:
> > I agree that I Am Stretched on Your Grave is depressing, but I think
> > Sinead's version is way superior ...
>
> Mind if I ask what album the Sinead version can be found on?
> Thanks!

That would be her second album (I cannot remember the name right now)

-CandyMan-
>
> John Porter
> jporter@btg.com

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:25:03 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP/John Cale show


>Hi all,
>
>For those of you who have already seen the aforementioned show, how is the
>John Cale portion of it. I don't know if I've ever heard any of his stuff
>so I was wondering if it will be worth staying for that portion of the
>show.
>
>Please email me personally.

No, email it to the list.  I acutually had the exact same question.

-Jake


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:28:41 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: His name is still alive?


>The other night I saw a video by a band listed as His Name Is Still
>Alive.  The track was "Are we still married?"  The clip was pretty
>good, as was the song.  Is this actually HNIA with a typo? Is it
>some type of side-project band? Or is it a completely different band
>who nobody knows anything about? Is that track from the latest
>album?

Actually, it is just HNIA.  Warren has a propensity for making things
interesting and comical, so if you ever see anything HNIA-related that
doesn't quite make sense, it's probably intentional.

-Jake

Who needs to get 'O' Rang


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:06:59 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: question about 4ad-l itself


> > >        approximate date of the inception of 4ad-l

> given up completely on the list. Brant Nelson probably was on before me...

I seem to remember joining right around the time
Dewdrops started in late 89/early 90. I used to keep
a complete archive that went back as far as the earliest
file on jhuvm when I joined, but I think I dumped it all
a while ago, thinking "what the hell would I ever use
this for anyway?" I'll check my records and see what I
find. Back in the early days two of the regular posters
were Yary Hluchan and Julian Lawton. Both have moved on
it seems. And whatever happened to Woj (Rob Woiccak) anyway?

brant

|    Dewdrops Records     | Splashed With Many A Speck |
| 12515 Pacific Ave. #106 |   A Dewdrops Compilation   |
|  Los Angeles, CA 90066  |        Winter 1997         |
|   www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html   |

      > Uncommon music that deserves to be heard <

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 14:15:19 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: question about 4ad-l itself


On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, John Roseborough wrote:

> I'd be interested in seeing this paper once you've finished, if you don't mind
 How about HTMLing it?
>

        here it is. my footnotes and appendix are heavily formatted,
        and therefore are not included here. i appreciate all
        suggestions, but the paper gets handed in tonite, so
        make em snappy!



Daniel Klyn
Assignment 1, LIS 742
Prof. Brown-Seyd
Monday, October 7, 1996



                  "To know the old element explore a new"
                                  Emerson



        Anyone still actively using listserv will agree that the
simplicity, relative privacy, and overall decorum of the listserv culture
combine to create an almost idyllic forum for topical discussion.  Almost
idyllica mode of being known (among others) to the serpent in the garden,
to Eve and Adam,  and eventually to all of us who can't help but want
something a little (or a lot) better.  Perhaps it is this same primal
impulse which compels us to experiment with the relatively new-fangled
usenet newsgroups.  I personally have found a usenet group for each of the
five listservs I subscribe togroups which address the same topic areas as
my listservs, but in a completely different format.  Usenet is easy to
access with any of the popular web browsers, and features an ergonomic,
click-and-point interface.  Threads can be plotted visually and followed
without diversion in usenet, and users can include embedded html tags
within the bodies of their messages to allow smooth switching in-between
their messages and the world wide web pages being refered to.  These
capabilities are unique to usenet, and combine to make usenet an
attractive format for topical discussions.  So why then do I still
actively use the listservs, in addition to reading usenet news? I hope to
answer this question by comparing a particular listserv to a particular
newsgroup and by sorting out the features, strengths, and drawbacks of
each.

        The particular point of each of my example groups is discussion
regarding an independent record label called 4AD, which is home to groups
like Dead Can Dance, His Name Is Alive, and (until 1989) the Cocteau
Twins.  4AD is also the home of  graphic design group v23, and graphic
artist Vaughn Oliver. The label is unique in its cultivation of a "house
style," and in its dedication to excellence in record sleeve design.
There are more than 400 subscribers to 4AD-L@american.edu, and an average
of twenty messages per day are distributed to the unmoderated list . One
unique feature of the list is its maintainance of an extensive FAQ , a
copy of  which is mailed to everyone who subscribes to the list.  Besides
providing a standard list of abbreviations and a guide to 4ad catalogue
numbering, perhaps the most essential element of the FAQ is its
explanation of the concept of  "thislistyness."

        Thislistyness refers to the content of messages sent to the list,
and the FAQ provides examples of what sorts of topics are considered
"thislisty."  While 4AD-L is dedicated to the discussion of all things
produced by 4AD, there are groups and musicians on other labels who are
still considered thislisty.  Cocteau Twins, for example, are still
thislisty despite their departure from the label in 1989.  Other groups
like Ride and the Sundays are specified in the FAQ as having a thislisty
sound, and are therefore fair game for discussion even though they both
have never recorded for 4AD.  The FAQ and the governing principle of
thislistyness ensure that most messages distributed to the list are
topical and worthwhile. Basic fact-related questions posted to the list
are often replied to with an appeal for the author to read the FAQ.  While
4AD-L is an unmoderated list, several"authorities" on the list help to
keep the discussion honest, and include an A&R rep for the label (although
his .sig makes no mention of his being employed by 4AD) and at least one
member of a thislisty band

        Conventions like thislistyness, the use of catalogue numbers in
reference to specific 4AD and v23 products, and a standardized list of
abbreviations for groups and album-names are encouraged by and flow out
from the format of listserv itself.  The list creator(s) have the option
of removing the subscriptions of particularly obnoxious listmembers if
they refuse to adhere to the conventions of the list, and in the rare
instance of somebody spamming the list, several of the 460-some
listmembers make a point of contacting the spammer's isp and filing a
complaint.  In addition, the list is monitored by fans, artists, and
corporate types: many of whom are eager to show off their knowledge by
correcting errors in the postings of others.  This serves as a sort of
peer-review for the list, and compels contributors to check the facts
before sending them to the list.  As an avid listener and collector of 4AD
records, I find 4AD-L an indispensable resource for questions, and a
stimulating forum for discussion.  Especially as opposed to alt.music.4ad.

        Alt.music.4ad is a usenet newsgroup with all of the modern
conveniences, and each time I read it I am reminded of precisely why it is
that I still subscribe to 4AD-L.  While the specific differences between
these two discussion groups may have something to do with the ALT in
alt.music.4ad, there are generic differences which librarians and other
information providers should be aware of when pointing patrons to these
resources.  As mentioned earlier, the usenet interface is (depending upon
the browser) very easy to use and allows for simpler tracking of
discussion threads due to the graphical layout of the articles on the
user's screen.  The technology is effective and seductive, and with most
libraries now providing web-connected computer terminals to the public,
usenet will certainly become available at a rate and with an ease which
may leave listserv far behind.  Listserv, in comparison, is only available
through an internet email account; a luxury which the majority of public
library patrons may not yet enjoy and which is not provided temporarily at
library computer terminals.   The dramatic difference in access between
the 4AD listserv and the 4AD newsgroup is evident in several aspects.
Alt.music.4ad sees about ten times the amount of daily traffic that the
listserv does, and in my opinion the newsgroup suffers markedly from this
volume and ease of access.  Ive included an example of the spam which ends
up in alt.music.4ad in the appendix, and my reader is encouraged to check
up on the newsgroup in order to get a sense of the terrific spamming which
plagues it.  A dizzying range of off topic posts--from hard-core
pornography URLs to isp advertisements--show up every day.  Crossposting
is frequent, and shameless.  Again, this may have something to do with
alt.music.4ads designation as an alternative discussion group, but this
alone cannot account for the spam.  Being a member of four other
listservs, and being an avid reader of at least four other newsgroups, I
can report that the volume and quality of newsgroup postings versus
listservs of identical topic areas is similar across-the-board.

        So why, given the general content-poverty that characterizes
usenet, do I still read usenet news?  Because Im a net-head, and an
information junkie, and usenet is a great place to get information: if
you are willing to wade through the noise.   Usenet also tends to move
faster, and users interested in the very latest information on a
particular topic can often find it first in usenet.   I remain subscribed
to listservs chiefly because of usenets shortcomings.  Theres something
personal and intimate about listserv, even if it is a robot that handles
the distribution of articles.  There is also a recourse to action against
misuse with listserv which helps to keep the discussion focused and
relevant.  Almost ideal.  The technology of usenet is seductive, and makes
us want something better for listserv.  But until the technology is
created, until a usenet-like system can be constructed which allows for
some sort of filtering of superfluous postings, I will continue to use
both.




              *****************************************
              ich bin dan              owilde@umich.edu
              *****************************************

 It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of saphoo
    that thoughts acquire speed,the lips acquire stains, the stains
     become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

          --Mentat Piter de Vries of the Great House Harkonnen


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:57:36 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Brendan Perry

              
of Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:40:24
              -0400

>           the song is credited to somebody of the last
>   name o'connor         in the credits to ttw, but this is
>   most likely _not_         sinead (ever looked in an
>   irish phonebook under the         o'somethings??)

It is *most definitely not* Sinead O'Connor since on her album she makes sure to
put the author's first initial (which isn't S., but i can't remember what it
was).

-cz

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:00:38 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: LS vs. NY (was: Re: Brendan Perry)

              1996 12:33:54 -0400

>   > On Fri, 4 Oct 1996, cz wrote:
>   > "a natural beauty should be preserved like a
>   monument"-neil young
>   > "i hope neil young can remember, a southern man dont
>   need him round
>   > anyhow"-ls
>
>   You know that this like from LS was in response to NY's
>   song
>   "Southern Man", right?

No, actually i don't know much of what's going on in this discussion anymore but
i do know that you ppl. ought to watch the attributions since i didn't write the
above statements.

-cz


Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 01:09:22 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Rob Woiccak


On Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:06:59 -0700, Dewdrops Records
 wrote:

>And whatever happened to Woj (Rob Woiccak) anyway?

He was on??! He was the head honcho of my college radio station. Why
didn't he ever tell me about the list back then? -- I just joined a
year ago.

Anyway, the last time I saw him was during the CT's "Heaven or Las
Vegas" tour. If anyone knows what became of him...

Paul

PS
Did an Alta Vista search. Not enlightening. But here's a review of
"Scar" that he did -- for old times' sake (note unironic use of

Scar                              T    Baby Talk
Lush                              R    Thoughtforms
          Lush                    C    Bitter
4AD JAD 911                       S    Etheriel

   Even among the alternative companies,   a certain amount of
imitation happens:   the  success stories of one  label spawn a series
of similar bands, often with an appreciable loss in quality.  Hence,
one might say that Lush is 4AD's Primitives. However, to do so would
be an injustice.

   Unlike The Primitives,  Lush presents  a unified,  psychedelic
sound. Comprised  of a  dual  attack of  swirling,   chiming  guitars
and  Miki Berenyi's etheriel vocals,   _Scar_ continues the sixties
revival,  but with a Nineties postpunk edge and energy.

   Lush's debut  EP is a compelling  listen,  leaving you  wanting
more. It's a good thing then that their second EP,  _Mad Love_,
should be out in early March.


Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:49:17 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Topilino II


I heard from the folks at Mercury/Polydor Canada that they'll be
releasing an expanded version of Lush's "Topilino" B-side compilation in
November.  Apparently, the Canadian version will add extra tracks not on
the Japanese version.  Details are sketchy right now but I'm guessing the
extra tracks will be the various "Lovelife" B-sides not included on the
Japanese "Topilino" disc.  The basic artwork (people holding up Lush
logos) will be kept but this extra track factor will make this yet
another essential purchase for the rabid 4AD/Lush fans among us.  It
comes out in Canada on November 20th and has a long nine or so digit
long catalogue number which I do not have available at this time.  The
rep I spoke with also confirmed that the "Music For Vampires" compilation
will definitely be hitting stores this Wednesday the 9th.

Jeff Keibel
Scarborough, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com


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