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Subject: Kendra/Mazzy/Opal connection
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 23:48:33 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: n-part CD sets....
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:47:32 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: many many many many many things
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:34:02 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: review hell - you deserve it
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:48:35 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Pram also, Moose
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:43:00 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: new stereolab and flying saucer attack
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:10:05 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: The Visit
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:11:54 -0600
From: Greyson Welch (slugdady@GULF.NET)
Subject: Re: Kendra/Mazzy/Opal connection
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:25:47 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: CT
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:11:31 CET
From: Adam Olszewski (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: Re: Hi >>Remedios Varo
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:01:05 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: many many many many many things
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:11:16 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Paladins
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:22:00 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: new stereolab and flying saucer attack
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:33:15 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: CT
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:46:37 -0400
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: CT
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:44:48 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:19:17 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:08:43 -0400
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Paladins
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:06:25 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Can
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:40:05 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:38:01 -0400
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: Paladins
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:44:21 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Cardigans [many many many many many things]
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:57:59 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Lisa's boots
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:52:36 -0500
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Can
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:56:12 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: im replying about Kahlo,
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:27:17 -0700
From: Luis Fernando Castro Karg (lifer@infored.com.mx)
Subject: Re: Moose Moose Moose...
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:51:57 -0700
From: Jack Huynh (jack@NOVOMEDIA.COM)
Subject: Re: Cardigans [many many many many many things]
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:25:23 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa's boots
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:43:02 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Mind the Gap!
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:12:46 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Paladins
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:43:48 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:31:51 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Coming to America!
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:42:10 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Lisa's boots
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:34:12 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: n-part CD sets....
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:08:28 -0700
From: beswick (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: CT
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:11:16 -0700
From: beswick (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Shinro Ohtake books.
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:56:09 +0200
From: Matthias Walzner (umw17@RZSERV2.FH-LUENEBURG.DE)
Subject: Re: Cardigans [many many many many many things]
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:30:33 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Can
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:49:48 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: l. germano
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:11:01 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Vaughan.
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:33:27 -0500
From: John Roseborough (jrose@CS.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Club listings.
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:14:55 -0800
From: Scott Rivera (caladan@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: Kendra/Mazzy/Opal connection
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:57:08 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA IN DETROIT***free hnia***
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:21:38 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 23:48:33 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Kendra/Mazzy/Opal connection

               of Sat, 21 Sep 1996 22:13:58
              -0700

>   what is the connection between mazzy star and kendra
>   smith?

Kendra and David Roback were in Opal together in David's pre-Mazzy days.
There's a flow chart style discography in the latest AP.

-cz

Funny, i've never heard of this.  Has anyone got it?  Is this part of the
material that later appears on *Early Recordings* (which i'd love to buy on CD
if you have an extra copy)?


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:47:32 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: n-part CD sets....


>Electrafixion and Pearl Jam are the only ones I've seen
>to release a 3 part cd set, though there may be others.

They seem to have been doing this for quite a while. And in the beginning it was
a novelty,
and it seemed necessary (and hence expensive) to grab the complete sets. Annie L
nnox
had Cold, Colder and Coldest in 1991 with different unplugged Eurythmic songs as
the
B-sides. I noticed a while later that a live LP was sold with all these b-sides 
ncluded.
I did buy the "In your room" 3 Cd box set (D Mode),  but that is as you say "spe
ial".
Very nice fold out of a person being crucified. And the live tracks are pretty n
fty too.

sir h C

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:34:02 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: many many many many many things

> from "Aaron Thorne" at Sep 22,
              96 02:11:44 am

 Aaron Thorne  wrote on Sun, 22 Sep 1996
 (Subject: Re: many many many many many things)
 >
 > > are we going to see 7-part cd singles, with a 30-second b-side on
 > > each?
 >
 > I believe the limit is 4 formats now, which includes viny, cd, and
 > cassette.

 Recently cut down to three - the Suede single which started all this
 discussion came as two CDs or a cassette, the vinyl 7" was only
 available through mail-order.

 > Extreme example: Catherine Wheel - Crank.  There were two cds, a
 > 12", and a cassete, and they all had completely different b-sides.
 > collecting hell.  Electrafixion and Pearl Jam are the only ones
 > I've seen to release a 3 part cd set, though there may be others.

 Add Rocket from the Crypt to that list.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:48:35 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: review hell - you deserve it

              meek" at Sep 21, 96 04:18:50 am

 einexile the meek  wrote on Sat, 21 Sep 1996
 (Subject: review hell - you deserve it)
 >
 > My friends, I did a foolish thing: I bought the new Lisa Germano,
 > expecting it to me at least 1/4 as good as her last.  It is not.
 > Nor is it 1/4 as good as On the Way Down from the Moon Palace.  We
 > already felt sorry for her; it was established that she is rather
 > pathetic but here we get to watch her operate on herself for 48
 > minutes.  1996 has been a rather phenomenal year for music, but
 > this probably would have been the most sickening display of the
 > year had it come out in 1995 when there wasn't so much damned
 > competition in that category.  If I ever hit a sober girl it will
 > be Lisa Germano, and this is the last 4AD scum I purchase until
 > I've heard the next Mojave album in its entirety.

 Aw, and I rather like this album.  Took a tape of it on the train
 with me this weekend and loved it - OK, it's confessional
 psychotherapy self-pity city, but done with a sense of humour and the
 music's very pretty.  Also finally got into Scorn - previously I had
 thought they (or he, nowadays) were OK but nothing special, but
 something about the combination of "Gyral" and the rumbling of the
 InterCity finally clicked in my mind.  Anyone know what the new one
 with the silly Italian name is like?

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:43:00 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Pram also, Moose

              at Sep 21, 96 05:18:50 pm

 Burt Reynolds  wrote on Sat, 21 Sep 1996
 (Subject: Pram  also, Moose)

 No Moose.  I did see one once, at the Jarvzoo in Sweden, and was
 treated to a lecture from my little brother on the difference between
 Moose, Elk and Reindeer.  Apparently they all have their names
 shuffled on the other side of the Atlantic.

 > Hi all.  I just noticed a copy of Pram's Helium at a nearby store
 > CHEAP.  It's my own stupid fault for not paying more attention to
 > what people have been saying about it for the past month, but could
 > someone please quickly post a review of this album? Is is go(o)d?

 "Helium" is their best, I think.  It's got a lot more depth and
 darkness than "Sargasso Sea", and whereas earlier releases were the
 work of a band trying to get a certain sound and not quite getting
 there, "Helium" is an overwhelming success.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:10:05 -0700
From: Andrew Dean (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: new stereolab and flying saucer attack


three things i'm surprised nobody's mentioned yet:

there's a new stereolab / fuxa split single available from lissy's
records according to the stereolab message board.

there's a new flying saucer attack / jessamine split single available on
enraptured. good, apparently.

there's a new flying saucer attack cd also available, stuff culled from
live recordings and then played about with - mr. norman has already
raved about this on the droneon list, i'm sure he'll enlighten us if we
ask him nicely.

lisa germano plays with mojave 3 on the 10th of october at dingwall's in
london. see you there.

(oh, eric, got the stuff, thanks. that boo radleys - i know what you
mean)

andy
is that all there is to a fire?


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:11:54 -0600
From: Greyson Welch (slugdady@GULF.NET)
Subject: The Visit


Greetings...

                I'm going to take a stab in the dark and see if anyone can help 
e
with this. I realize that this is completely off-subject, but has
anyone ever heard of a band called "The Visit?"  I picked up a
compilation some many years ago entitled "The Invisible Frame," put
out by Future records.  I picked it up for the "And Also the Trees"
track, and also really enjoyed a track called "All the Walls" by "The
Visit."  The comp alsoincludes Blitz, Ice the Falling Rain, and Rythm
and Faith (all of which I have never heard of-- except Blitz).  It
came out in 1984.  Anyhow, I'd like to find out about this band "the
Visit," did they ever release anything other than the 7" that appears
on this comp, who they are etc.  If this is too terribly off-topic
then feel free to respond off-list.  My thanks in advance.

Yours in Truth-
Greyson Welch

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:25:47 GMT
From: Paul Spirito (spiritop@WINTHROP.SLIC.COM)
Subject: Re: Kendra/Mazzy/Opal connection


On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 23:48:33 +0600, cz  wrote:

>>   what is the connection between mazzy star and kendra
>>   smith?
>
>Kendra and David Roback were in Opal together in David's pre-Mazzy days.
>There's a flow chart style discography in the latest AP.

If I've got this straight, Kendra dropped out during Opal's last tour
(I saw a show. Not very good: she didn't seem into it.), and Hope
replaced her... the rest is Mazzy Star. I believe Roback knew Sandoval
through his production of the legendary Going Home album.

Paul


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:11:31 CET
From: Adam Olszewski (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: Re: CT

              

hi,

i've seen Stealing Beauty last week, i.e. the new film by B. Bertolucci.
there is a lovely Cocteau Twins' song featured there, much nicer than the
stuff they have been making in their last two albums, i would say.

does anybody know whether there is a recording available? we're a bit
lagged with soundtracks releases here in Poland.

adam

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:01:05 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hi >>Remedios Varo


On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, James L. Napiorkowski Jr. wrote:
>
> and the connection to 4AD is....???????   I know there is....   isn't
> there????
>
> ~   quis


        instant poll: all in favor of ~quis seeing orkin about that
        bug up his ass, please post to 4ad-l under this subj.
        line with either "yea" or "nay"

        winner gets to be official 4ad-l tyrant for the entire
        month of Octember, along with a 'liae' wooden box
        full of bile.  Void where prohibited, all rights reversed.

             *****************************************
             ich bin dan              owilde@umich.edu
             *****************************************

                     n o w t h a t w e h a v e
                     n   o   t   h   i   n   g
                        w e c a n b e g i n

                  t o b e t h e r e v o l u t i o n

                             n  o  w

                      ( c  o  m  e   o  n ! )


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:11:16 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: many many many many many things


On Sun, 22 Sep 1996, the boy in zinc wrote:

>
> when will ~quis realize that people want to read his mindless "vengeance
> flames" even less than they want to read intelligent off-topic discussion
> about art

        perhaps when he/she is made aware of the results of
        the instant poll?


> reviewlets:
>
> suede "trash" are two-part singles the norm now in the uk?  if they are,
> doesn't that kind of undermine the whole reason for their existence?  when
> are we going to see 7-part cd singles, with a 30-second b-side on each?
> anyway, i had pretty much forgot about suede until a friend of mine told me
> she had an extra copy of each of these... i picked 'em up not expecting
> much, but the title track delights me, as does one of the b-sides on each
> single...haven't heard the lp yet, but i may cave in before its us release
> date of "sometime in january," and buy the damn thing...


        the new suede lp "coming up" has been released in europe,
        and canada, and the far east. i hear tell it is much
        like the 2-pack 'trash' singles. if this is the case,
        we may have the ultimate 90s pop record here.

        if you have yet to experience the full glory of suede,
        send me a tape and postage: i've bought their catalogue,
        and can make you believe in rock-n-roll in 90 minutes
        or less!

        oh yeah, ~quis: hnia at alvins friday evening was
        mindblowing. i thought karin was mixed just fine.
        was that intro thingy performed by Mog? does Low
        have a CD?

                     n o w t h a t w e h a v e
                     n   o   t   h   i   n   g
                        w e c a n b e g i n

                  t o b e t h e r e v o l u t i o n

                             n  o  w

                      ( c  o  m  e   o  n ! )

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:22:00 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: Paladins


>
> reject the Kelley Deal 6000 LP, drop Insides and Spoonfed Hybrid in favour of
>

it is my understanding that there was major interest from many labels to
put out the kelley deal 6000, but she wanted to do it herself.

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:33:15 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: new stereolab and flying saucer attack

              96 09:10:05 am

 Some of you may have seen some of this before, but...

 Andrew Dean  wrote on Mon, 23 Sep 1996
 (Subject: new stereolab and flying saucer attack)
 >
 > there's a new flying saucer attack / jessamine split single
 > available on enraptured.  good, apparently.

 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 RAPT 4505 FLYING SAUCER ATTACK / JESSAMINE split 7" single.
 Enraptured records, Dom, 8a Penwith Rd, Southfields, London SW18 4QF

 2500 pressed, 500 on clear vinyl.  The FSA track, "At Night", is a
 NEW STUDIO RECORDING!!! Hooray! It's in the "acoustic strumming with
 bacground rumbling and whooshing" mode, one of those sad folky songs
 like most of "Further".  The Jessamine track, "From Hereto and
 Otherwise" is a bit like the latter part of their album - an oddball
 instrumental with one-finger organ, strange guitar noises and
 hyperactive drumming.  This 7" is magnificent - I was expecting the FSA
 track to be one of their live noise pieces, but the appearance of a new
 recording gives me hope for the future.  Magnog and Roy Montgomery will
 release singles on this label soon, Windy & Carl, Amp, Flowchart, Third
 Eye Foundation and Alpha Stone have done, and there's a Silver Apples
 tribute as well.

 And from the droneon list (essential list for those of you into this
 sort of stuff):

 [FSA live album]
 Probably the flimsiest CD packaging in the history of the world -
 lovely soft paper fold-out cover with the CD in a paper bag and a
 card with a painting of a circle.  The CD has fifty minutes of music on
 it, and as Chris says it is great.  I was expecting it to be something
 of a novelty item, but it isn't the unstructured noise epic I had
 feared - think of it as a companion to "Instrumental Wish", a sort of
 ambient (and occasionally noisy) soundscape.  Like the "At Night"
 single, this is absolutely first rate.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


 >
 > there's a new flying saucer attack cd also available, stuff culled
 > from live recordings and then played about with - mr.  norman has
 > already raved about this on the droneon list, i'm sure he'll
 > enlighten us if we ask him nicely.
 >
 > lisa germano plays with mojave 3 on the 10th of october at
 > dingwall's in london.  see you there.
 >
 > (oh, eric, got the stuff, thanks.  that boo radleys - i know what
 > you mean)
 >
 > andy is that all there is to a fire?
 >
 >
 >


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:46:37 -0400
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: CT


On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Adam Olszewski wrote:

> i've seen Stealing Beauty last week, i.e. the new film by B. Bertolucci.
> there is a lovely Cocteau Twins' song featured there, much nicer than the
> stuff they have been making in their last two albums, i would say.
>
> does anybody know whether there is a recording available? we're a bit
> lagged with soundtracks releases here in Poland.

It's a "b-side" on one of the Violaine singles. (Now if only they'd
release "Need Fire" as a b-side too!)

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:44:48 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: CT

              Olszewski" at Sep 23, 96 02:11:31 pm

 Adam Olszewski  wrote on Mon, 23 Sep 1996
 (Subject: Re: CT)
 >
 > i've seen Stealing Beauty last week, i.e.  the new film by B.
 > Bertolucci.  there is a lovely Cocteau Twins' song featured there,
 > much nicer than the stuff they have been making in their last two
 > albums, i would say.
 >
 > does anybody know whether there is a recording available? we're a
 > bit lagged with soundtracks releases here in Poland.

 This is "Alice", which is available as one of the B-sides to the
 "Violaine" single.  I think the "Stealing Beauty" soundtrack is also
 available, but I'm not sure.  The other "Violaine" B-sides were pretty
 good, too - I hope the Cocteaus' leaving Mercury doesn't mean we're in
 for a long wait for new releases.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:19:17 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano


I just found a copy of the Capitol REcords version of "Happiness". The
weird thing is that its rather different than the 4AD version. Different
art work. And DIFFERENT Tracks. It has a cover (a pretty amazing cover at
that) of 'These Boots are made for Walking', and a couple of other tracks
called 'breathe across texas' and 'miamo-tutti'. Another oddity is the
date - 1993. The 4AD version is 1994....
strange, but I'm glad I found it!

BTW, I found a promo copy of Liquorice's "Listening Cap" and its pretty
damn good.

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:08:43 -0400
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star


"Among My Swan" reminds me of a poem by French poet Stepan Mallarme.  I
can't recall the title, but it speaks of swans and compares human experience
to the life of a swan, or something like that.  He was a symbolist, so his
work is extremely complicated, but incredibly evocative.  I don't have the
item with me at the moment, but I'll dig it out and see if my impression has
any merit.

mike
iceblink@tiac.net



At 08:40 PM 9/22/96 GMT, you wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 08:17:54 -0400, stereolad 
>
>>It's actually "Among My Swan" (which makes only slightly more sense that
>>"Among My Swam"). There's something in the interview about how the title
>>doesn't mean anything. Once again, MS are really surly and give bad
>>interview and the whole thing doesn't really tell you a thing.
>
>Maybe it's a reference to the famous-at-the-time but
>I-forgot-who-wrote-it and don't-have-it-handy poem "Parmi l'arbre"
>from twenties' Paris, wherein a tree is a multitude.
>
>Or maybe it's an example of how difficult it is to be weird in an
>original way.
>
>Swami among swans,
>Paul
>
>PS
>It has the song from "Stealing Beauty". Does it have the song from
>"Batman Forever" as well?
>
>


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:06:25 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Paladins


A few points.

4AD never "dropped" Insides or Spoonfed Hybrid.  They were both signed to
Guernica, a one-off label.

Warner has absolutely no say in what 4AD does. Zero, nada.  And they never
will have any say in what 4AD does.

What I would say about the Paladins is that they make more sense in
California.  Dave Gonzalez is one of the best guitarists I have ever seen.
 When you are driving through the hot desert in the middle of the day, it all
makes a little more sense.  Don't worry Ivo has not lost his mind.  If
anything he is more grounded in what he does and does not enjoy.

if people don't like the Paladins stick around, i think ya'll enjoy gusgus.

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:40:05 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Can


i hope u didnt get the impression that i was dissing stereolab...i just
happened to agree strongly with bruce's opinions about can (in ever so
few words)...can doesn't get the respect it rightly deserves... most of
the bands mentioned, whether they admit it or not, owe alot of their
sound to can...not only was can a seminal group, but it was made up of
incredibly talented individuals, who all created excellent albums as
solo artists...jaki, holger, and eberhard have also been on many other
peoples records, too numerous to mention...all i ask therefore is that
can be given a seat at the table...

On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:29:58 -0700 Jens Alfke 
>Okay, now that Tom W. has added his insightful comment "damn right" I
>guess I do want to reply to Bruce Mcguire's statement that:
>>yes can were way ahead of their time and truly great
>>and that is main difference between them and simply average groups
>>like Tortoise, Stereolab.  And a certain ratio
>
>If I can work through the syntax, Bruce is making two points here:
>* Truly great bands are different than simply average groups. I don't
>think anyone's going to disagree with that too strongly, so we can
>move
>on.
>* Can are better than the other bands he mentioned because they were
>way
>ahead of their time. This I don't buy. Certainly coming out of nowhere
>with a new sound is a good thing, and I'm not going to dis Can
>(although
>I've never liked anything by them that I've heard), but there is also
>value in combining existing sounds and doing new things with them, as
>well as in simply writing great songs. Both of which I will argue
>loudly
>that Stereolab do. No one prior to them, to my knowlege, combined the
>old
>Krautrock sound of Neu/Faust/etc (and to a lesser extent maybe Can)
>with
>the VU, some of the sound of early Minimalism, and space age pop like
>Esquivel. All of which you can see in Stereolab from their very first
>release. And I don't care what year it was released in,
>"Super-Electric"
>is a fabulous pop song.
>
>I'm not going to defend Tortoise, because I don't personally find them
>as
>interesting, or ACR, because I've never heard anything by them.
>
>__________          ___________________
>________________________
>Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com
>[work]
>                                                 jens@mooseyard.com
>[play]
>
>      Goodnight stars   Goodnight air   Goodnight noises everywhere
>
>_____________________________
>
>


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:38:01 -0400
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano


Does anyone know is Lisa Germano ever plays in Bloomington, Indiana?  As
far as I know that's her home town so it would be strange but she could do
a tour like, LA, Chicago, Atlanta...(and a bunch of other large cities)
and wind up with playing a show in Bloomington.  Anyway, I was wondering
because I live only an hour away from Bloomington but I live quite a bit
farther from any of her big city dates.  I'd hate to just show up on her
doorstep and demand a personal concert (JUST kidding.  I wouldn't do

No, I don't know where she lives:)

Jill

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:44:21 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Paladins


Rich Holtzman  writes:

> 4AD never "dropped" Insides or Spoonfed Hybrid.  They were both signed to
> Guernica, a one-off label.

Well...  Insides left in a huff -- seriously annoyed over something or
other.  (The plan was for them to release more stuff on 4AD.)
Spoonfed Hybrid wanted to stay on 4AD, but were denied.

> Warner has absolutely no say in what 4AD does. Zero, nada.  And they never
> will have any say in what 4AD does.

Well...  They do seem to be able to dictate the release schedule (a
bit).  That infamous "Funky Little Demons" release snafu, and so on.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:57:59 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Cardigans [many many many many many things]


I can't remember whether I posted this before ...

The US version of the Cardigans' "Life" is actually a mixture of tracks
from their first two albums "Emmerdale" and "Life". I think you get about
2/3 of each album. Presumably they did this to pack the maximum number of
catchy chart hits onto the CD. And also to force the Cardigans addict
[I'm not quite there yet, but my wife is] to seek out expensive imports
to get all the songs.

I'm guessing that the new one is actually the same album as released in
Sweden and worldwide.

"Minty Fresh" is one of those pseudo-indie labels, I hear; it's actually
a division of a major label, presumably the same major label that's
released their new album. This kind of marketing tactic annoys me, for
the same reason that Red Dog and Bartles & James annoy me.

So what does it mean when two of my favorite albums of 1996 come from
Sweden? (The other one being Salt's "Auscultate". Haven't got the new
Cardigans yet.)

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:52:36 -0500
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Lisa's boots


Joseph Burns wrote:
>
> I just found a copy of the Capitol REcords version of "Happiness". The
> weird thing is that its rather different than the 4AD version. Different
> art work. And DIFFERENT Tracks. It has a cover (a pretty amazing cover at
> that) of 'These Boots are made for Walking', and a couple of other tracks
> called 'breathe across texas' and 'miamo-tutti'. Another oddity is the
> date - 1993. The 4AD version is 1994....
> strange, but I'm glad I found it!

I won't go into detail here, as I wouldn't want to bore the majority of
us, who are already familiar with Lisa's dislike for this release, and
the various reasons why.  But let me just say, as someone who also owns
this CD, she is completely justified in her disdainful attitude toward
"These Boots..."  It is indeed an embarrassment.  Really, the song isn't
all that good to begin with (no matter who sings it).  And poor Lisa
sounds decidely out of place singing such a straight-ahead, proactive
song.  She did the right thing in leaving it off the rearranged version.
MHO,
--gary

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:56:12 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Can


Tom Weibrecht writes:
>i hope u didnt get the impression that i was dissing stereolab...i just
>happened to agree strongly with bruce's opinions about can (in ever so
>few words)...can doesn't get the respect it rightly deserves... most of
>the bands mentioned, whether they admit it or not, owe alot of their
>sound to can...

No prob. But you can see how a two-word reply is open to
misinterpretation.

The odd thing is that, while I personally haven't heard any Can that
grabbed me at all, a lot of bands I _do_ like drop references to them
like crazy:

The Fall ("I Am Damo Suzuki", on one of their mid-80s albums)
Moonshake (named after a Can song, I hear)
Th Faith Healers covered "Mother Sky".
Too Pure is named after a lyric from said song ("I think madness is too
pure like mother sky")
Hunters & Collectors were named after a can song (and some of their
albums were produced at Can's studio by Conny Plank)

Others?


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:27:17 -0700
From: Luis Fernando Castro Karg (lifer@infored.com.mx)
Subject: Re: im replying about Kahlo,

              so delete me if you are an uptight folk who ,
              has to get all picky about what should and shouldn't be on the
              group list.

Art + 4ad= life

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:51:57 -0700
From: Jack Huynh (jack@NOVOMEDIA.COM)
Subject: Re: Moose Moose Moose...


okay, although it's only a discography, moose has some presence on the web...

here's the url: http://haas.berkeley.edu/~jhuy/moose/

if someone can send me some info on their latest lp (track listings), i can
put it in the discography...

ps. i put up the web page as a favor to lincoln. btw, lincoln is no longer
with moose but he is doing some  projects with simon raymonde, hamish (of
fuel fame) and his brother. The project he did with his brother is called
For.mat and is pretty funky. There's no singing, just cool sampling and
kick ass riffs. I heard some of the stuff he did with Hamish and it sounds
wonderful. i hope he finishes soon...


jack at novomedia dot com



Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:25:23 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cardigans [many many many many many things]


>"Minty Fresh" is one of those pseudo-indie labels, I hear; it's actually
>a division of a major label, presumably the same major label that's
>released their new album. This kind of marketing tactic annoys me, for
>the same reason that Red Dog and Bartles & James annoy me.

they're owned by geffen...remember the flood of pressed they tried to
create when veruca salt "signed" to geffen?

BiZ, who is also annoyed by that sort of thing (i think that all started
with the smashing pumpkins)...

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:43:02 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Lisa's boots


>"These Boots..."  It is indeed an embarrassment.  Really, the song isn't
>all that good to begin with (no matter who sings it).

Are you sure? Ever heard Anita Lane's interpretation...?

Frank

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:12:46 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Mind the Gap!


For the graphic designers on this list"

MIND THE GAP

Dutch design symposium about UK designers, October 6th, Paradiso Amsterdam


Designers Republic
Fuel
Me Company
North
Peter Saville
Tomato (they make those wonderful Underworld videos - and music)


(I can't be there because I'm at another part of the world...)








Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, September 23, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl
... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:43:48 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Paladins


Rich wrote:

>What I would say about the Paladins is that they make more sense in
>California.  Dave Gonzalez is one of the best guitarists I have ever seen.

Maybe he can teach Mark Kozelek a few things :)


>When you are driving through the hot desert in the middle of the day, it all
>makes a little more sense.

So why then didn't 4AD make it in a local release (with a nice v23 designed
sticker 'Caution: this music is for Californian residents only - only play
in your car!')? A LAD so to speak. I would have loved it! I like to torture
myself going to a lot of trouble getting hold of obscure releases,
especially 4AD.

Frank

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:31:51 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano


>I'd hate to just show up on her
>doorstep and demand a personal concert (JUST kidding.  I wouldn't do

Yeah, but I might..."Love Circus" is brilliant!

t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
----------------------------------->

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:42:10 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Coming to America!


>(I can't be there because I'm at another part of the world...)

Yes indeed. I'm going to visit (a small part of) America for the first time...

I will be in NEW YORK CITY for two weeks (Oct. 4 - 17)

        No work, just pleasure...

I'm going to:

        A. do stupid tourist things

        B. buy lots of silly things

        C. visit a David Letterman taping (I hope)

        D. sleep in a cheap Manhattan hotel (103th street)

        E. do more stupid tourist things

        F. ???*


*Any suggetions?



We (another graphic designer and me) like:

        graphic design related things
        art
        old and new media
        books
        music, me: 4AD etc, he: SKA (...)
        silly things
        to visit stupid tv-show-tapings


We also would like to visit places/shops etc. in NYC you "can't find on the
map" or in some tourist guide.


!!! Please give me some tips/advice !!!

What's the best "mac-cybercafe" in town? (so I can send e-mail when I'm there)

Any special things happening during October 4th - 17th?

What the hell should we do?

What language do they speak over there?




Answers? (mail me) Thanks!


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, September 23, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl
... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:34:12 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Lisa's boots


>"These Boots..."  It is indeed an embarrassment.  Really, the song isn't
>all that good to begin with (no matter who sings it).

To me... this song was worth buying the Capitol release!

Lisa should make a whole album with covers like that...


>Are you sure? Ever heard Anita Lane's interpretation...?

No did she do it to? I love Anita's version 'Lost in Music' btw




Emiel Efdee
...
Rotterdam, 23 september 1996
... efdee@luna.nl
... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:08:28 -0700
From: beswick (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: n-part CD sets....


> I did buy the "In your room" 3 Cd box set (D Mode),  but that is as you say "s
ecial".
> Very nice fold out of a person being crucified. And the live tracks are pretty
nifty too.
>

Isn't there like a 3 or 4 cd set of the cranberries' Salvation?  I
remember seeing a box that supposedly held 6-8 cds and it was for all the
singles from To the Faithful Departed... it came with one cd, I believe...
one of the Salvation singles...

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:11:16 -0700
From: beswick (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: CT


>
> does anybody know whether there is a recording available? we're a bit
> lagged with soundtracks releases here in Poland.
>


The soundtrack was released several months ago in the states.  The CT song
is called Alice.

Speaking of CT tracks... my friend got that enhanced "Volume It" cd with
tracks from Volume...16?  It includes CT, Scheer, New Order and Shamen.
His cd-rom won't play it though.  Can any tell me what the interactive
part of this cd is, and if it has to do with any of the songs, namely
Circling Girl?

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:56:09 +0200
From: Matthias Walzner (umw17@RZSERV2.FH-LUENEBURG.DE)
Subject: Shinro Ohtake books.


Anyone interested in Shinro Ohtake books?

I can supply you with all object/books he has done!

For example Tokyo Salamander which is created by Vaughan Oliver and Shinro
Ohtake.

Inquiries to:

Matthias.
umw@rzserv2.fh-lueneburg.de

Matthias

umw17@rzserv2.fh-lueneburg.de

GOLFTEAM UNIVERSITAET LUENEBURG


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:30:33 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Cardigans [many many many many many things]


>BiZ, who is also annoyed by that sort of thing (i think that all started
>with the smashing pumpkins)...

I'm still not convinced Caroline is a major-in-disguise. They've got a
long track record as an indie label, if a largish one (I think they're
almost as old as Rough Trade would be now.) Is it just that they're
getting some assistance from Virgin? How is that different from 4AD and
Warners?

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          Recovering C++ User          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

              Paget saw an Irish tooth, Sir, in a waste gap.
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:49:48 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Can


man, they are really to numerous to mention...Czukay with eno, pil,
Liebezeit with siouxie, bauhaus, hell...id really have to dig....btw
what happened to hunters and collectors?
On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:56:12 -0700 Jens Alfke 
>Tom Weibrecht writes:
>>i hope u didnt get the impression that i was dissing stereolab...i
>just
>>happened to agree strongly with bruce's opinions about can (in ever
>so
>>few words)...can doesn't get the respect it rightly deserves... most
>of
>>the bands mentioned, whether they admit it or not, owe alot of their
>>sound to can...
>
>No prob. But you can see how a two-word reply is open to
>misinterpretation.
>
>The odd thing is that, while I personally haven't heard any Can that
>grabbed me at all, a lot of bands I _do_ like drop references to them
>like crazy:
>
>The Fall ("I Am Damo Suzuki", on one of their mid-80s albums)
>Moonshake (named after a Can song, I hear)
>Th Faith Healers covered "Mother Sky".
>Too Pure is named after a lyric from said song ("I think madness is
>too
>pure like mother sky")
>Hunters & Collectors were named after a can song (and some of their
>albums were produced at Can's studio by Conny Plank)
>
>Others?
>


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:11:01 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: l. germano


interesting...
        new spin magazine has a review of the new lisa germano. they gave
it an 8 out of ten lauding the "brilliance" of geek the girl. pearl jam
and rem got a 6. tee-hee.
naes

------------
Sean Devine
tucson, az
------------

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:33:27 -0500
From: John Roseborough (jrose@CS.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Vaughan.


I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but there's an enlightening int
rview with Vaughan Oliver starting here:

  http://www.paragon.co.uk/junkkulture/vaughan/vaughan1.htm

For those curious as to whether or not he did work on the Sony PlayStation ads, 
e mentions that he did (would say more but you can read it for yourself). Someth
ng else I wasn't aware of: he recently did some design work for Microsoft.

John, who recently abandoned his computer science studies and began studying gra
hic design largely because of admiration for v23 design

_________________________________________________________________
                                  j o h n   r o s e b o r o u g h



Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:14:55 -0800
From: Scott Rivera (caladan@earthlink.net)
Subject: Club listings.


Anybody!!! Everybody


      I need an address list of "nice small clubs" where some 4AD bands
might be playing, or might possibly play in the future!

      This message may sound strange but, I'm constantly in different
cities and towns and was hoping to gather a list of places all over the
U.S. and other countries where I may happen to end up??

       Thanks for everyone who responds, I appreciate it...

                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                      Scott----

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:57:08 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kendra/Mazzy/Opal connection

              1996 09:25:47 GMT

>   >>   what is the connection between mazzy star and
>   kendra
>   >>   smith?
>   >
>   >Kendra and David Roback were in Opal together in
>   David's pre-Mazzy days.
>   >There's a flow chart style discography in the latest
>   AP.
>
>   If I've got this straight, Kendra dropped out during
>   Opal's last tour

Was that when Opal opened for Jesus and Marry Chain?

>   and Hope replaced her... the rest is Mazzy Star. I
>   believe Roback knew Sandoval through his production of
>   the legendary Going Home album.

I don't know where i heard this but, a long time ago, i heard that Kendra and
Hope were friends and Kendra introduced Hope to David.

-cz


Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:21:38 -0400
From: Heather Elizabeth Phares (hepcat@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA IN DETROIT***free hnia***


hey...it's me, the "gal who knew what she was talking about" from the warn
interview. Well, my tape recorder f***ed up. Could I please get a copy of
the interview? how much will s/h cost? and how soon could I get it? Thanx
so much...I hate tape recorders...

Heather