Subject: Kendra/Mazzy/Opal connection
Subject: n-part CD sets....
Subject: Re: many many many many many things
Subject: Re: review hell - you deserve it
Subject: Re: Pram also, Moose
Subject: new stereolab and flying saucer attack
Subject: The Visit
Subject: Re: Kendra/Mazzy/Opal connection
Subject: Re: CT
Subject: Re: Hi >>Remedios Varo
Subject: Re: many many many many many things
Subject: Re: Paladins
Subject: Re: new stereolab and flying saucer attack
Subject: Re: CT
Subject: Re: CT
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano
Subject: Re: Mazzy Star
Subject: Re: Paladins
Subject: Re: Can
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano
Subject: Re: Paladins
Subject: Re: Cardigans [many many many many many things]
Subject: Lisa's boots
Subject: Re: Can
Subject: Re: im replying about Kahlo,
Subject: Re: Moose Moose Moose...
Subject: Re: Cardigans [many many many many many things]
Subject: Re: Lisa's boots
Subject: Mind the Gap!
Subject: Re: Paladins
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano
Subject: Coming to America!
Subject: Re: Lisa's boots
Subject: Re: n-part CD sets....
Subject: Re: CT
Subject: Shinro Ohtake books.
Subject: Re: Cardigans [many many many many many things]
Subject: Re: Can
Subject: l. germano
Subject: Vaughan.
Subject: Club listings.
Subject: Re: Kendra/Mazzy/Opal connection
Subject: Re: HNIA IN DETROIT***free hnia***
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 23:48:33 +0600
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:47:32 PDT
>Electrafixion and Pearl Jam are the only ones I've seen
>to release a 3 part cd set, though there may be others.
They seem to have been doing this for quite a while. And in the beginning it was
a novelty,
and it seemed necessary (and hence expensive) to grab the complete sets. Annie L
nnox
had Cold, Colder and Coldest in 1991 with different unplugged Eurythmic songs as
the
B-sides. I noticed a while later that a live LP was sold with all these b-sides
ncluded.
I did buy the "In your room" 3 Cd box set (D Mode), but that is as you say "spe
ial".
Very nice fold out of a person being crucified. And the live tracks are pretty n
fty too.
sir h C
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:34:02 +0100
> from "Aaron Thorne" at Sep 22,
96 02:11:44 am
Aaron Thorne Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:48:35 +0100
meek" at Sep 21, 96 04:18:50 am
einexile the meek Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:43:00 +0100
at Sep 21, 96 05:18:50 pm
Burt Reynolds Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:10:05 -0700
three things i'm surprised nobody's mentioned yet:
there's a new stereolab / fuxa split single available from lissy's
records according to the stereolab message board.
there's a new flying saucer attack / jessamine split single available on
enraptured. good, apparently.
there's a new flying saucer attack cd also available, stuff culled from
live recordings and then played about with - mr. norman has already
raved about this on the droneon list, i'm sure he'll enlighten us if we
ask him nicely.
lisa germano plays with mojave 3 on the 10th of october at dingwall's in
london. see you there.
(oh, eric, got the stuff, thanks. that boo radleys - i know what you
mean)
andy
is that all there is to a fire?
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:11:54 -0600
Greetings...
I'm going to take a stab in the dark and see if anyone can help
e
with this. I realize that this is completely off-subject, but has
anyone ever heard of a band called "The Visit?" I picked up a
compilation some many years ago entitled "The Invisible Frame," put
out by Future records. I picked it up for the "And Also the Trees"
track, and also really enjoyed a track called "All the Walls" by "The
Visit." The comp alsoincludes Blitz, Ice the Falling Rain, and Rythm
and Faith (all of which I have never heard of-- except Blitz). It
came out in 1984. Anyhow, I'd like to find out about this band "the
Visit," did they ever release anything other than the 7" that appears
on this comp, who they are etc. If this is too terribly off-topic
then feel free to respond off-list. My thanks in advance.
Yours in Truth-
Greyson Welch
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:25:47 GMT
On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 23:48:33 +0600, cz
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:11:31 CET
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:01:05 -0400
On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, James L. Napiorkowski Jr. wrote:
>
> and the connection to 4AD is....??????? I know there is.... isn't
> there????
>
> ~ quis
instant poll: all in favor of ~quis seeing orkin about that
bug up his ass, please post to 4ad-l under this subj.
line with either "yea" or "nay"
winner gets to be official 4ad-l tyrant for the entire
month of Octember, along with a 'liae' wooden box
full of bile. Void where prohibited, all rights reversed.
*****************************************
ich bin dan [email protected]
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n o w t h a t w e h a v e
n o t h i n g
w e c a n b e g i n
t o b e t h e r e v o l u t i o n
n o w
( c o m e o n ! )
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:11:16 -0400
On Sun, 22 Sep 1996, the boy in zinc wrote:
>
> when will ~quis realize that people want to read his mindless "vengeance
> flames" even less than they want to read intelligent off-topic discussion
> about art
perhaps when he/she is made aware of the results of
the instant poll?
> reviewlets:
>
> suede "trash" are two-part singles the norm now in the uk? if they are,
> doesn't that kind of undermine the whole reason for their existence? when
> are we going to see 7-part cd singles, with a 30-second b-side on each?
> anyway, i had pretty much forgot about suede until a friend of mine told me
> she had an extra copy of each of these... i picked 'em up not expecting
> much, but the title track delights me, as does one of the b-sides on each
> single...haven't heard the lp yet, but i may cave in before its us release
> date of "sometime in january," and buy the damn thing...
the new suede lp "coming up" has been released in europe,
and canada, and the far east. i hear tell it is much
like the 2-pack 'trash' singles. if this is the case,
we may have the ultimate 90s pop record here.
if you have yet to experience the full glory of suede,
send me a tape and postage: i've bought their catalogue,
and can make you believe in rock-n-roll in 90 minutes
or less!
oh yeah, ~quis: hnia at alvins friday evening was
mindblowing. i thought karin was mixed just fine.
was that intro thingy performed by Mog? does Low
have a CD?
n o w t h a t w e h a v e
n o t h i n g
w e c a n b e g i n
t o b e t h e r e v o l u t i o n
n o w
( c o m e o n ! )
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:22:00 EDT
>
> reject the Kelley Deal 6000 LP, drop Insides and Spoonfed Hybrid in favour of
>
it is my understanding that there was major interest from many labels to
put out the kelley deal 6000, but she wanted to do it herself.
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:33:15 +0100
96 09:10:05 am
Some of you may have seen some of this before, but...
Andrew Dean Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:46:37 -0400
On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Adam Olszewski wrote:
> i've seen Stealing Beauty last week, i.e. the new film by B. Bertolucci.
> there is a lovely Cocteau Twins' song featured there, much nicer than the
> stuff they have been making in their last two albums, i would say.
>
> does anybody know whether there is a recording available? we're a bit
> lagged with soundtracks releases here in Poland.
It's a "b-side" on one of the Violaine singles. (Now if only they'd
release "Need Fire" as a b-side too!)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:44:48 +0100
Olszewski" at Sep 23, 96 02:11:31 pm
Adam Olszewski Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:19:17 -0400
I just found a copy of the Capitol REcords version of "Happiness". The
weird thing is that its rather different than the 4AD version. Different
art work. And DIFFERENT Tracks. It has a cover (a pretty amazing cover at
that) of 'These Boots are made for Walking', and a couple of other tracks
called 'breathe across texas' and 'miamo-tutti'. Another oddity is the
date - 1993. The 4AD version is 1994....
strange, but I'm glad I found it!
BTW, I found a promo copy of Liquorice's "Listening Cap" and its pretty
damn good.
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:08:43 -0400
"Among My Swan" reminds me of a poem by French poet Stepan Mallarme. I
can't recall the title, but it speaks of swans and compares human experience
to the life of a swan, or something like that. He was a symbolist, so his
work is extremely complicated, but incredibly evocative. I don't have the
item with me at the moment, but I'll dig it out and see if my impression has
any merit.
mike
[email protected]
At 08:40 PM 9/22/96 GMT, you wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 08:17:54 -0400, stereolad
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:06:25 -0400
A few points.
4AD never "dropped" Insides or Spoonfed Hybrid. They were both signed to
Guernica, a one-off label.
Warner has absolutely no say in what 4AD does. Zero, nada. And they never
will have any say in what 4AD does.
What I would say about the Paladins is that they make more sense in
California. Dave Gonzalez is one of the best guitarists I have ever seen.
When you are driving through the hot desert in the middle of the day, it all
makes a little more sense. Don't worry Ivo has not lost his mind. If
anything he is more grounded in what he does and does not enjoy.
if people don't like the Paladins stick around, i think ya'll enjoy gusgus.
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:40:05 PST
i hope u didnt get the impression that i was dissing stereolab...i just
happened to agree strongly with bruce's opinions about can (in ever so
few words)...can doesn't get the respect it rightly deserves... most of
the bands mentioned, whether they admit it or not, owe alot of their
sound to can...not only was can a seminal group, but it was made up of
incredibly talented individuals, who all created excellent albums as
solo artists...jaki, holger, and eberhard have also been on many other
peoples records, too numerous to mention...all i ask therefore is that
can be given a seat at the table...
On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:29:58 -0700 Jens Alfke
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:38:01 -0400
Does anyone know is Lisa Germano ever plays in Bloomington, Indiana? As
far as I know that's her home town so it would be strange but she could do
a tour like, LA, Chicago, Atlanta...(and a bunch of other large cities)
and wind up with playing a show in Bloomington. Anyway, I was wondering
because I live only an hour away from Bloomington but I live quite a bit
farther from any of her big city dates. I'd hate to just show up on her
doorstep and demand a personal concert (JUST kidding. I wouldn't do
No, I don't know where she lives:)
Jill
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:44:21 +0200
Rich Holtzman
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:57:59 -0700
I can't remember whether I posted this before ...
The US version of the Cardigans' "Life" is actually a mixture of tracks
from their first two albums "Emmerdale" and "Life". I think you get about
2/3 of each album. Presumably they did this to pack the maximum number of
catchy chart hits onto the CD. And also to force the Cardigans addict
[I'm not quite there yet, but my wife is] to seek out expensive imports
to get all the songs.
I'm guessing that the new one is actually the same album as released in
Sweden and worldwide.
"Minty Fresh" is one of those pseudo-indie labels, I hear; it's actually
a division of a major label, presumably the same major label that's
released their new album. This kind of marketing tactic annoys me, for
the same reason that Red Dog and Bartles & James annoy me.
So what does it mean when two of my favorite albums of 1996 come from
Sweden? (The other one being Salt's "Auscultate". Haven't got the new
Cardigans yet.)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:52:36 -0500
Joseph Burns wrote:
>
> I just found a copy of the Capitol REcords version of "Happiness". The
> weird thing is that its rather different than the 4AD version. Different
> art work. And DIFFERENT Tracks. It has a cover (a pretty amazing cover at
> that) of 'These Boots are made for Walking', and a couple of other tracks
> called 'breathe across texas' and 'miamo-tutti'. Another oddity is the
> date - 1993. The 4AD version is 1994....
> strange, but I'm glad I found it!
I won't go into detail here, as I wouldn't want to bore the majority of
us, who are already familiar with Lisa's dislike for this release, and
the various reasons why. But let me just say, as someone who also owns
this CD, she is completely justified in her disdainful attitude toward
"These Boots..." It is indeed an embarrassment. Really, the song isn't
all that good to begin with (no matter who sings it). And poor Lisa
sounds decidely out of place singing such a straight-ahead, proactive
song. She did the right thing in leaving it off the rearranged version.
MHO,
--gary
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:56:12 -0700
Tom Weibrecht writes:
>i hope u didnt get the impression that i was dissing stereolab...i just
>happened to agree strongly with bruce's opinions about can (in ever so
>few words)...can doesn't get the respect it rightly deserves... most of
>the bands mentioned, whether they admit it or not, owe alot of their
>sound to can...
No prob. But you can see how a two-word reply is open to
misinterpretation.
The odd thing is that, while I personally haven't heard any Can that
grabbed me at all, a lot of bands I _do_ like drop references to them
like crazy:
The Fall ("I Am Damo Suzuki", on one of their mid-80s albums)
Moonshake (named after a Can song, I hear)
Th Faith Healers covered "Mother Sky".
Too Pure is named after a lyric from said song ("I think madness is too
pure like mother sky")
Hunters & Collectors were named after a can song (and some of their
albums were produced at Can's studio by Conny Plank)
Others?
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:27:17 -0700
so delete me if you are an uptight folk who ,
has to get all picky about what should and shouldn't be on the
group list.
Art + 4ad= life
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:51:57 -0700
okay, although it's only a discography, moose has some presence on the web...
here's the url: http://haas.berkeley.edu/~jhuy/moose/
if someone can send me some info on their latest lp (track listings), i can
put it in the discography...
ps. i put up the web page as a favor to lincoln. btw, lincoln is no longer
with moose but he is doing some projects with simon raymonde, hamish (of
fuel fame) and his brother. The project he did with his brother is called
For.mat and is pretty funky. There's no singing, just cool sampling and
kick ass riffs. I heard some of the stuff he did with Hamish and it sounds
wonderful. i hope he finishes soon...
jack at novomedia dot com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:25:23 -0500
>"Minty Fresh" is one of those pseudo-indie labels, I hear; it's actually
>a division of a major label, presumably the same major label that's
>released their new album. This kind of marketing tactic annoys me, for
>the same reason that Red Dog and Bartles & James annoy me.
they're owned by geffen...remember the flood of pressed they tried to
create when veruca salt "signed" to geffen?
BiZ, who is also annoyed by that sort of thing (i think that all started
with the smashing pumpkins)...
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:43:02 +0200
>"These Boots..." It is indeed an embarrassment. Really, the song isn't
>all that good to begin with (no matter who sings it).
Are you sure? Ever heard Anita Lane's interpretation...?
Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:12:46 +0200
For the graphic designers on this list"
MIND THE GAP
Dutch design symposium about UK designers, October 6th, Paradiso Amsterdam
Designers Republic
Fuel
Me Company
North
Peter Saville
Tomato (they make those wonderful Underworld videos - and music)
(I can't be there because I'm at another part of the world...)
Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, September 23, 1996
... [email protected]
... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:43:48 +0200
Rich wrote:
>What I would say about the Paladins is that they make more sense in
>California. Dave Gonzalez is one of the best guitarists I have ever seen.
Maybe he can teach Mark Kozelek a few things :)
>When you are driving through the hot desert in the middle of the day, it all
>makes a little more sense.
So why then didn't 4AD make it in a local release (with a nice v23 designed
sticker 'Caution: this music is for Californian residents only - only play
in your car!')? A LAD so to speak. I would have loved it! I like to torture
myself going to a lot of trouble getting hold of obscure releases,
especially 4AD.
Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:31:51 -0800
>I'd hate to just show up on her
>doorstep and demand a personal concert (JUST kidding. I wouldn't do
Yeah, but I might..."Love Circus" is brilliant!
t h e m y s t e r y p a r a d e
----------------------------------->
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:42:10 +0200
>(I can't be there because I'm at another part of the world...)
Yes indeed. I'm going to visit (a small part of) America for the first time...
I will be in NEW YORK CITY for two weeks (Oct. 4 - 17)
No work, just pleasure...
I'm going to:
A. do stupid tourist things
B. buy lots of silly things
C. visit a David Letterman taping (I hope)
D. sleep in a cheap Manhattan hotel (103th street)
E. do more stupid tourist things
F. ???*
*Any suggetions?
We (another graphic designer and me) like:
graphic design related things
art
old and new media
books
music, me: 4AD etc, he: SKA (...)
silly things
to visit stupid tv-show-tapings
We also would like to visit places/shops etc. in NYC you "can't find on the
map" or in some tourist guide.
!!! Please give me some tips/advice !!!
What's the best "mac-cybercafe" in town? (so I can send e-mail when I'm there)
Any special things happening during October 4th - 17th?
What the hell should we do?
What language do they speak over there?
Answers? (mail me) Thanks!
Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, September 23, 1996
... [email protected]
... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:34:12 +0200
>"These Boots..." It is indeed an embarrassment. Really, the song isn't
>all that good to begin with (no matter who sings it).
To me... this song was worth buying the Capitol release!
Lisa should make a whole album with covers like that...
>Are you sure? Ever heard Anita Lane's interpretation...?
No did she do it to? I love Anita's version 'Lost in Music' btw
Emiel Efdee
...
Rotterdam, 23 september 1996
... [email protected]
... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:08:28 -0700
> I did buy the "In your room" 3 Cd box set (D Mode), but that is as you say "s
ecial".
> Very nice fold out of a person being crucified. And the live tracks are pretty
nifty too.
>
Isn't there like a 3 or 4 cd set of the cranberries' Salvation? I
remember seeing a box that supposedly held 6-8 cds and it was for all the
singles from To the Faithful Departed... it came with one cd, I believe...
one of the Salvation singles...
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:11:16 -0700
>
> does anybody know whether there is a recording available? we're a bit
> lagged with soundtracks releases here in Poland.
>
The soundtrack was released several months ago in the states. The CT song
is called Alice.
Speaking of CT tracks... my friend got that enhanced "Volume It" cd with
tracks from Volume...16? It includes CT, Scheer, New Order and Shamen.
His cd-rom won't play it though. Can any tell me what the interactive
part of this cd is, and if it has to do with any of the songs, namely
Circling Girl?
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:56:09 +0200
Anyone interested in Shinro Ohtake books?
I can supply you with all object/books he has done!
For example Tokyo Salamander which is created by Vaughan Oliver and Shinro
Ohtake.
Inquiries to:
Matthias.
[email protected]
Matthias
[email protected]
GOLFTEAM UNIVERSITAET LUENEBURG
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:30:33 -0700
>BiZ, who is also annoyed by that sort of thing (i think that all started
>with the smashing pumpkins)...
I'm still not convinced Caroline is a major-in-disguise. They've got a
long track record as an indie label, if a largish one (I think they're
almost as old as Rough Trade would be now.) Is it just that they're
getting some assistance from Virgin? How is that different from 4AD and
Warners?
__________ ___________________ ________________________
Jens Alfke Recovering C++ User [email protected] [work]
[email protected] [play]
Paget saw an Irish tooth, Sir, in a waste gap.
_____________________________
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:49:48 PST
man, they are really to numerous to mention...Czukay with eno, pil,
Liebezeit with siouxie, bauhaus, hell...id really have to dig....btw
what happened to hunters and collectors?
On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:56:12 -0700 Jens Alfke
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:11:01 -0700
interesting...
new spin magazine has a review of the new lisa germano. they gave
it an 8 out of ten lauding the "brilliance" of geek the girl. pearl jam
and rem got a 6. tee-hee.
naes
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Sean Devine
tucson, az
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:33:27 -0500
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but there's an enlightening int
rview with Vaughan Oliver starting here:
http://www.paragon.co.uk/junkkulture/vaughan/vaughan1.htm
For those curious as to whether or not he did work on the Sony PlayStation ads,
e mentions that he did (would say more but you can read it for yourself). Someth
ng else I wasn't aware of: he recently did some design work for Microsoft.
John, who recently abandoned his computer science studies and began studying gra
hic design largely because of admiration for v23 design
_________________________________________________________________
j o h n r o s e b o r o u g h
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:14:55 -0800
Anybody!!! Everybody
I need an address list of "nice small clubs" where some 4AD bands
might be playing, or might possibly play in the future!
This message may sound strange but, I'm constantly in different
cities and towns and was hoping to gather a list of places all over the
U.S. and other countries where I may happen to end up??
Thanks for everyone who responds, I appreciate it...
Scott----