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Subject: locust discog.?
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 23:04:50 -0600
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: Re: Can
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:43:03 -0500
From: Fmaj7 (mrf546t@NIC.SMSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: locust discog.?
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:35:15 -0700
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: Web sites (Mute, Beggars Banquet)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:05:22 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Frida Kahlo?!
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:23:01 -0400
From: stereolad (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: RHP Photographs
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:24:04 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints question
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:26:11 -0300
From: Rodrigo de Sousa Lariu (mmlariu@copa.rio.com.br)
Subject: Re: locust discog.?
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:55:07 -0500
From: John Roseborough (jrose@CS.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: HI
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:55:55 -0700
From: Luis Fernando Castro Karg (lifer@infored.com.mx)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints question
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:33:46 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HI
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:45:37 -0600
From: DANIELA L CARRILLO (danielac@UTEP.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frida Kahlo?!
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:29:53 -0600
From: DANIELA L CARRILLO (danielac@UTEP.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints question
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:28:09 -0400
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints question
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:42:51 +0000
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadim@lo.commotion.com)
Subject: Re: Can & Bel Canto
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:26:03 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: The old chestnut
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:25:00 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: CT, NBC forge 10 million (US$) contract (-joke)
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:49:59 -0400
From: Kyle (ktp52952@PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU)
Subject: Re: Can
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:29:58 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP Photographer
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:03:12 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Galaxie 500
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:54:48 +0000
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadim@lo.commotion.com)
Subject: Re: Frida Kahlo?!
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:04:42 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Lisa Germano Tour
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:58:54 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 23:04:50 -0600
From: ".mark." (vonminde@RINTINTIN.COLORADO.EDU)
Subject: locust discog.?


anyone out there (gil? e?) have a locust discography they'd feel like
posting.  i've been listening to 'truth is born of arguments' and the 'no
one in the world' 12" quite a bit lately and really enjoying them.  what's
mr. van hoen up to these days  besides remixing spanish bands who
put out records that no one can find  ?  in other words, does he
have a new record coming out soon?

mrk...listening to nico, thankyouverymuch!

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:43:03 -0500
From: Fmaj7 (mrf546t@NIC.SMSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Can


On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:

> Lars Wrote:
> >early Can
> >I thought all the albums had been re-released by Mute a couple of
> >years back?  Have they gone out of print again?  None of the cd shops
> >on the net had any copies -- they only listed imports from the French
> >label Spoon at quite high prices.
>
> Mute do distribution in the UK, US and Benelux. Spoon in the rest of the World

>

the last time i tried to order a mute reissue of a can album, i was told
that they had already gone out of print--although theyre listed in the
catalogs of most american distributors.  i keep hoping that this is not
true--i'm desperate to find tago mago on cd--but the prospects look grim
for finding can domestically in the US.

if anyone has info to the contrary, i'd be happy to hear it!

btw, if you like early can, i definately recommend future days, my
favorite can album.  the song future days is perfect--a combination of
latin rythms, a catchy and cute melody, and odd experimentation.  when
can is at its best, the music is so catchy and moving that it takes a
while to realize that something very strange and "wrong" is going on
underneath.

take care,
mark


>
> >Does Mute have a web site?
>
> www.mutelibtech.com/mute/
>
> And they have a killer 100-pages full colour mailorder catalogue as well!
>
> Frank
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Frank Brinkhuis
> frankbri@pi.net
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> http://www.pi.net/~frankbri/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:35:15 -0700
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG)" (gman2@SPRYNET.COM)
Subject: Re: locust discog.?


On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, ".mark."  wrote:
>anyone out there (gil? e?) have a locust discography they'd feel like
>posting.  i've been listening to 'truth is born of arguments' and the 'no
>one in the world' 12" quite a bit lately and really enjoying them.

a new record is coming out soon - _Morning Light_, featuring Neil Halstead!

DISCOG (as far as I know):

NATURAL COMPOSITE (Apollo) AMB 4935
 includes tracks from two earlier 12"s, "THE NEEDLE" (Apollo -promo only) and
"IN REMEMBERANCE OF TIMES PAST" EP (Apollo 18) - along with archival tracks.

WEATHERED WELL (Apollo) AMB 3929
(1994) - nine new tracks. Less cut-up/chaotic than TiBoA

TRUTH IS BORN OF ARGUMENTS (Apollo/R&S) AMB 5940
(1995)

"NO-ONE IN THE WORLD" EP (Apollo/R&S - Apollo 26)
(1996)

...and a few remixes - Seefeel (as SINE BUBBLE), Love & Rockets, Annie Williams,
and something I just read about a few minutes ago which included the word
"Elves"...

Too tired to be typing up discographies.

GManII


Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:05:22 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Web sites (Mute, Beggars Banquet)

              19, 96 04:03:23 pm

 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  wrote on Thu, 19 Sep 1996
 (Subject: Can & Bel Canto)
 >
 > Does Mute have a web site?
 >

 There's something at http://www.dutch-east.com/mute/mute.htm
 (It's the Dutch East India Trading home page, they distribute Mute).
 Also, Luna's "Season of the Witch" EP (a bit dodgy - so-so cover plus
 three old songs from a Radio 1 session) has a web site for Beggars
 Banquet on it (home of Bauhaus, Loop and offshoots, and several other
 semi-thislisty bands) - http://www.beggars.com/

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England
nja@le.ac.uk


Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:23:01 -0400
From: stereolad (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Frida Kahlo?!


>AS A FAN #1 OF THE MEXICAN WOMEN PAINTER, FRIDA KAHLO.

You mean *woman* painter. There was only one of her.

>  I WOULD LIKE TO
>INTERCHANGE INFORMATION ABOUT HER LIFE AND HER ART WORK WITH YOU.  ALSO,

I don't know what you've heard about this list, but it's not about that sort
of thing. Are you sure you meant to post this here? And turn your freakin
caps lock off already...

>I WOULD WANT TO KNOW YOUR OPINION TOWARD THE MEXICAN ART AS WELL AS,
>LATINAMERICAN ART.  THANK YOU, DANIELA CARRILLO.

...but since you asked: I like Siqueiros better.


Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:24:04 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: RHP Photographs


>>I know that Simon Larbalestier did the Colourful Hill cover but who has
done the others?<<

Down Colorful Hill: Simon "Larby" Larbalestier
RHP 1 (Rollercoaster): see above
RHP 2 (Bridge): see above
Shock Me: see above
Ocean Beach: Melodie McDaniel
Songs For A Blue Guitar: Michele "All Virgos Are Mad" Turriani

Kevin probably knows too.

Roy


Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:26:11 -0300
From: Rodrigo de Sousa Lariu (mmlariu@copa.rio.com.br)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints question


>What is the name of the Pale Saints album that came before "In Ribbons"?  It
>may not be the one immediately preceding "In Ribbons"--I'm not sure.

the name of the album is THE CONFORTS OF MADNESS


Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:55:07 -0500
From: John Roseborough (jrose@CS.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: locust discog.?


>anyone out there (gil? e?) have a locust discography they'd feel like
>posting. =20

A very complete Locust discography can be found here.

  http://hyperreal.com/music/artists/locust/locust.html

>i've been listening to 'truth is born of arguments' and the 'no
>one in the world' 12" quite a bit lately and really enjoying them.  what's
>mr. van hoen up to these days  besides remixing spanish bands who
>put out records that no one can find  ?  in other words, does he
>have a new record coming out soon?

=46or those of you not familiar with Locust, here's a brief intro from the=
 web page listed above (also says what he's up to now):

"Locust is Mark Van Hoen from England. Although having previous releases, he=
 is probably better known for his engineering and remix work with ambient=
 guitar group Seefeel. Both "Lust" and "Tamed" from "Weathered Well" were=
 also released on the "Skysplit" EP (RS93031) on R & S. He is currently=
 signed to Apollo Records, but has been working with other collaboraters=
 under the name Autocreation on the Orb's InterModolabel."
- CiM=20

>mrk...listening to nico, thankyouverymuch!

John, hoping that Jack Dangers hasn't taken half of my hearing (when will=
 this ringing end?)...


_________________________________________________________________
                                  j o h n   r o s e b o r o u g h

          


Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:55:55 -0700
From: Luis Fernando Castro Karg (lifer@infored.com.mx)
Subject: Re: HI


Hi Daniela,

I=B4m a painter, and my teacher was a friend of Frida,
so if you like some information I can ask for some books
if you want.
bye!!!!!!!!!!!
 =20


Lifer.

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:33:46 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints question

              Lariu" at Sep 20, 96 10:26:11 am

> >What is the name of the Pale Saints album that came before "In Ribbons"?  It
> >may not be the one immediately preceding "In Ribbons"--I'm not sure.

> the name of the album is THE COMFORTS OF MADNESS

What can anyone tell me about the Mrs. Dolphin disc?  Is this another
Japanese single/ep compilation in the spirit of Belly's Baby Silvertooth
and that new Lush disc?  I have the disc (Mrs. Dolphin) but didn't know
how it fit into the Pale Saints discography.

-greg


Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:45:37 -0600
From: DANIELA L CARRILLO (danielac@UTEP.EDU)
Subject: Re: HI


luis, that's very cool, I will love to have some books, although I have
read some of them.  It's amazing that your teacher was a friend of Frida
Kahlo, I envied her.  What is the name of your teacher?  Thank you.

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:29:53 -0600
From: DANIELA L CARRILLO (danielac@UTEP.EDU)
Subject: Re: Frida Kahlo?!


larry, beg your pardon, I thought that in this list you discussed
anything that deal with art.  I just wanted to hear opinions about
LatinAmerican art as general. But I see your point.  Thank you.


Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:28:09 -0400
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints question


You are correct.  Mrs. Dolphin is a Japanese compilation, which includes the
material from "Barging Into the Presence of God", "Half-Life", and I think
one or two additional tracks.  The disc is apparently a genuine 4AD release,
but I think it lacks the traditional UK catalog number.

Mike
iceblink@tiac.net


At 10:33 AM 9/20/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> >What is the name of the Pale Saints album that came before "In Ribbons"?  It
>> >may not be the one immediately preceding "In Ribbons"--I'm not sure.
>
>> the name of the album is THE COMFORTS OF MADNESS
>
>What can anyone tell me about the Mrs. Dolphin disc?  Is this another
>Japanese single/ep compilation in the spirit of Belly's Baby Silvertooth
>and that new Lush disc?  I have the disc (Mrs. Dolphin) but didn't know
>how it fit into the Pale Saints discography.
>
>-greg
>
>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:42:51 +0000
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadim@lo.commotion.com)
Subject: Re: Pale Saints question


Lysa Bellott wrote:
>
> What is the name of the Pale Saints album that came before "In Ribbons"?  It
> may not be the one immediately preceding "In Ribbons"--I'm not sure.  All I
> know is...there were rumors...there were rumors he was into field hockey
> players...there were rumors that the guy sang on every song.  The girl never
> sang.  Forgive my ignorance but a friend lent me a copy of the album and it
> didn't have the title on it or anything.  I don't even know what the sleeve
> looks like.  Plus, that was a few years ago AND I no longer am speaking to
> the person who lent it to me in the first place.  It seems that the only
> Pale Saints album I ever see in record shops is "In Ribbons" and nothing
> else.  Can this "mystery" album still be obtained?  I'm sure it's only a
> mystery to me but who the heck else can I turn to for this information?
> Anyway, I really, really liked it and wish to own the CD if that is at all
> possible.  Please help!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Lysa

Could be one of 2 albums they had before:

- The Comforts of Madness.
- Slow Buildings (this came out after in Ribbons).

-Lord Byron-

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:26:03 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Can & Bel Canto


damn right
On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:00:38 -0400 Bruce Mcguire  writes:
>yes can were way ahead of their time and truly great
>and that is main difference between them and simply average groups
>like
>Tortoise, Stereolab.  And a certain ratio
>


Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:25:00 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: The old chestnut


well stated...but, we do still listen to elvis and southern rural folk as
is...the original is just as important as the evolution...theres no reason that 
ad shouldnt change, but it must also continue to provide the
product that enabled the evolution...if it aint broke, dont fix it,
improve it!
On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:18:26 EDT Dez <100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM> writes:
>Traffic gets slow, so out comes the old debate about 4AD 'losing it'.
>Some
>people never could grasp the concept of change. The label is nearly 17
>years
>old, or in other words has existed for a third of post-war history.
>This is the
>same period of time it took from the blues to evolve from southern
>rural folk
>songs to loud guitar bands - for jazz to grow from big bands to hard
>bop and for
>rock to go from Elvis to ELP. That is a lot of change. And all through
>that time
>people have been glancing behind with rose-tinted spectacles,
>hankering for the
>old days. 4AD puts out music relevant to 1996 and 97, not 1985 - if
>they did
>that, then they really would die (and deservedly too). It may not be
>all good,
>or all to everyone's taste, but at least they avoid endlessly
>recycling their
>past. For that alone, the world should be grateful.
>
>- Dez
>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:49:59 -0400
From: Kyle (ktp52952@PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU)
Subject: CT, NBC forge 10 million (US$) contract (-joke)


i know this isn't terribly 4-ad listy, but i've been wondering recently
about CT.  what have they been up to lately?    any movie deals?  heavy rotation on mtv?  napkins to blow your=
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nose on? :>

why?  a few nights ago while watching 'NBC Sportsworld', during a
interview w/ some (US) football player of the Buffallo Bills, they played
a loop of the intro to violaine for a while (minutes).  is there a
relation between nbc and ct (nbc owns capitol?)   i also heard them
played (bluebeard) as background noise on some radio advert a day later.
They were even played during the olympics, remember?  the random ct
exposure meter is unusually high now.  any particular reason?

so, what have they been up to?

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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:29:58 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Can


Okay, now that Tom W. has added his insightful comment "damn right" I
guess I do want to reply to Bruce Mcguire's statement that:
>yes can were way ahead of their time and truly great
>and that is main difference between them and simply average groups
>like Tortoise, Stereolab.  And a certain ratio

If I can work through the syntax, Bruce is making two points here:
* Truly great bands are different than simply average groups. I don't
think anyone's going to disagree with that too strongly, so we can move
on.
* Can are better than the other bands he mentioned because they were way
ahead of their time. This I don't buy. Certainly coming out of nowhere
with a new sound is a good thing, and I'm not going to dis Can (although
I've never liked anything by them that I've heard), but there is also
value in combining existing sounds and doing new things with them, as
well as in simply writing great songs. Both of which I will argue loudly
that Stereolab do. No one prior to them, to my knowlege, combined the old
Krautrock sound of Neu/Faust/etc (and to a lesser extent maybe Can) with
the VU, some of the sound of early Minimalism, and space age pop like
Esquivel. All of which you can see in Stereolab from their very first
release. And I don't care what year it was released in, "Super-Electric"
is a fabulous pop song.

I'm not going to defend Tortoise, because I don't personally find them as
interesting, or ACR, because I've never heard anything by them.

__________          ___________________          ________________________
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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

      Goodnight stars   Goodnight air   Goodnight noises everywhere
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:03:12 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: RHP Photographer


Steve wrote:

>I just love the RHP covers and inner sleeve photos.
>Can anyone tell me the full name of the photographer
>and if his work is available in print besides the work done
>for RHP. If find them very beautiful and they are really
>inspiring me in my photography work lately. I know that
>Simon Larbalestier did the Colourful Hill cover but who

'Song For A Blue Guitar' = Michele Turriani

'Ocean Beach' = Melodie McDaniel

'Shock Me' EP = Simon Larbalestier

'Red House Painters' (Bridge) = Simon Larbalestier

'Red House Painters' (Rollercoaster) = W.K.V.L.

'Shut Up, I Wanna Play My Guitar' RHP 2 promo-only 12" = Ivo Watts-Russell



Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:54:48 +0000
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadim@lo.commotion.com)
Subject: Galaxie 500


I just grabbed a promo of the 4CD box set of Galaxie500 re-releases from
our editor's desk. It is a one CD sample titled "selected galaxie 500".
It says on the inset, 4CD Boxset release date : Sept. 24, 1996
includes the albums:
- Today
- On Fire
- This is Our Music
- Uncollected Galaxie 500

So for all you G500 freaks like me, woohoo! 4 more days till this comes
out. I bet it's gonna be expensive, but since I don't have any of their
stuff and it's all out-o-print, what the heck huh?

-Lord Byron-


Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:04:42 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Frida Kahlo?!


>larry, beg your pardon, I thought that in this list you discussed
>anything that deal with art.  I just wanted to hear opinions about
>LatinAmerican art as general. But I see your point.  Thank you.

This is a list for 4AD records and its related *** MUSIC*** styles.
Of course once in awhile art does get touched on but mostly
its in broad relation to 4AD (ie Vaughan Oliver, v23 collective,
Quay Bros, etc). While I will say that Rachel's discussion warrants
talk about Egon Schiele (and they even have a song called
Frida Khalo) the majority of the list would see Rachel's as a
musical group in keeping with 4AD style first and visual art after.

Check the mandate on the FAQ page.

Just my  $.02

Steve

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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:58:54 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Lisa Germano Tour


Sorry I have been a little negligent in getting these out to you quickly.

Thu-Sep 26 BOSTON  Middle East/Hear Music In-store
fri-Sep 27 MONTREAL Cabaret
Sat-Sep 28  TORONTO  Horseshoe
Mon-Sep 30  NYC  Brownies
Tue-Oct 1  PHILADELPHIA  Silk City/Borders in-store

a few west coast dates coming in Nov.


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