Subject: Re: The end of 4AD as we know it.
Subject: Re: Cocteau QTVR
Subject: Re: The end of 4AD as we know it.
Subject: Lisa Germano & Muses
Subject: Re: The end of 4AD as we know it.
Subject: Re: The end of 4AD as we know it.
Subject: Cocteaus Poll
Subject: Lisa Germano lyrics
Subject: Scenic
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano & Muses
Subject: HI
Subject: Re: The end of 4AD as we know it.
Subject: Can & Bel Canto
Subject: The old chestnut
Subject: Re: Can & Bel Canto
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano lyrics
Subject: Re: Scenic
Subject: Re: Can
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano
Subject: piano house painters
Subject: Pale Saints question
Subject: Re: The end of 4AD as we know it.
Subject: Re: Pale Saints question
Subject: Re: Pale Saints question
Subject: Marvyn Hortman
Subject: Re: RHP Photographer
Subject: Re: HI
Subject: Re: Scenic
Subject: Re: Pale Saints question
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:29:19 -0700
Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
> ...so long 4AD. I give them another year and blink, gone in the wind. A
> record company that once was.
While some folks like Elvia are assuming the worst it may be worth while
to step back and digest the 1996 release schedule thus far. As I've said
before, 4AD is still challenging our ears these days and possibly, even
more so now than ten years ago. The diversity that flows from this label
shows a willingness to explore different sounds and genres - sounds
people seem to be quick to close their ears (and their minds) to. 4AD is
one of the most open-mindedly diverse labels around, as 1996's slate of
releases demonstrates...
LUSH's "Lovelife" is a great pop album. Musically more accessable than
earlier works, Lush has produced an album that really deserves to be
heard. As far as I'm concerned, LUSH stll "has it" and "Lovelife" was an
explosive way for the band and 4AD to start off the new year.
"Inliction" from scheer is a sadly overlooked album. Combine Audrey
Gallagher's beautiful voice with the melodic rock sounds and you have one
of 4AD's most memorable debuts. I'm looking forward to album number 2.
DEAD CAN DANCE released "Spiritchaser" this summer and musically it falls
as far from LUSH and scheer's styles as you can get. All this from one
label! Combined with a sell-out multi-country tour, Lisa and Brendan
once again have shown another layer in their ongoing musical evolution.
"Stars On E.S.P." from HIS NAME IS ALIVE marks Warren and friend's fourth
official 4AD album and arguably their best if not most musically diverse.
The songs on this album display a underlying confidence and explore many
different styles which makes for a very interesting listening experience.
HEIDI BERRY returns with "Miracle", her new 4AD album. HEIDI BERRY
travels yet another set of musical roads that differ from the rest of the
roster and with this third album for the label she has unleashed a nine
track collection of songs that feature her superb voice and beautiful
songs full of emotion, truth and beauty.
"Excerpts From A Love Circus" from LISA GERMANO explores yet even more
varied sounds and words from this extremely talented artist. Lisa's
songs speak volumes to women and men alike. Her unique delivery catches
the listener's attention and with "Love Circus", has provided a very
memorable release well worth searching out.
Kristin Hersh and her THROWING MUSES return with "Limbo", a powerful
followup to last year's "University" album. Never a fan of taking the
easy path to making records, Kristin, Bernard and David have released yet
another in a long line of THROWING MUSES classics.
Yet to come from 4AD are releases from THE PALADINS, GUS GUS, TARNATION,
TANYA DONELLY and MOJAVE 3 among others that promise to provide just as
many different and unique musical styles and genres.
4AD is in an ongoing evolution of change. The bands and sounds that
originate from the label will always vary from each other and provide
unique, memorable and genuine listening experiences.
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 06:11:56 GMT
On Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:31:50 -0700, Jens Alfke
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:00:45 -0800
>HEIDI BERRY...a nine track collection of songs that feature her superb
>voice and beautiful
>songs full of emotion, truth and beauty.
...not to mention a gorgeous LP inner bag. (sorry, couldn't resist)
t h e m y s t e r y p a r a d e
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:01:45 +0100
at Sep 18, 96 08:07:15 pm
Scott Davies Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:53:26 -0700
On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
> ps. Where's einexille. I'm sure he could give the eulogy. :-)
Yours, you mean? A PLEASURE. SIGN ME UP.
Jesus Christ. Go find a new record label already.
1. Ninja Tune
2. Warp
3. Fax
4. Instinct
e
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 07:24:23 -0400
jeff omits mention of L I S T E N I N G C A P
among 4ad's 1996 releases. even tho they've been
shitcanned (Liquorice, that is), this record
stays in heavy rotation in the klyn household,
and compliments our typical diet of hnia
quite nicely. i think 4ad is doing just fine,
and all yall who _still_ need to mourn the
good olde days...
well, ya'll can go elsewhere.
p.s. instant poll: should 4ad resign the cocteautwins?
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dan [email protected]
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The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes,
15
The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes
Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening,
Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains,
Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys,
Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap,
20
And seeing that it was a soft October night,
Curled once about the house, and fell asleep.
from The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock by T.S. Eliot
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 05:35:18 PDT
dan [email protected] wrote:
>p.s. instant poll: should 4ad resign the cocteautwins?
Only for the artwork, the music would have progressed in any case,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,
sir h C
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:08:52 EST
Hi there,
Do you guys happen to know if there is a Lisa Germano web page
somewhere? Or maybe an ftp site to dowload her lyrics from?
Thanks in advance
Juan
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:49:24 +0100
Just a quickie - I've heard Scenic mentioned quite a lot on the list.
Who are they and what are they like?
Replies gratefully received.
Cheers,
Simon
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:35:51 -0700
> Yesterday's NME has an ad for TAD6017, Throwing Muses, "Ruthie's
> Knocking", only available as a 7" from the Chain With No Name (a
> collection of independent shops) - a remix, no mention of a B-side,
> out next Monday.
in the 'records out next week' column (may've been in mm rather than
nme) it used the word 'etched' which i took to mean it would be like
that teenage fanclub 'story of john and yoko' thing which was single
sided with engravings in the vinyl on the other side (see also: we've
got a fuzzbox and we're gonna use it)(oops, showing my age). don't quote
me on that though.
andy
(unimportant rambling follows)
got around to buying 'limbo' last weekend. it was 12.99 but they'd
marked it up a few days earlier to 14.49. however, they'd also marked it
down a fiver (our price is closing down to make way for a virgin
megastore so they are having a sale to save them having to transfer
stock) so i got it for less than a tenner. which was nice. the germano
lp hasn't reached here yet, i doubt if it will. ditto his name is alive.
they had multiple copies of the last lps by these two.
also, they always remove the inlays from the public enemy lps which i
guess is because of the content of the lyrics inside (which are actually
very tame). they don't do this for the new boo radleys lp though which
contains a rather obvious 'fuck'. do you ever get the feeling that you
could run a record shop better than these muppets?
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:04:36 -0600
AS A FAN #1 OF THE MEXICAN WOMEN PAINTER, FRIDA KAHLO. I WOULD LIKE TO
INTERCHANGE INFORMATION ABOUT HER LIFE AND HER ART WORK WITH YOU. ALSO,
I WOULD WANT TO KNOW YOUR OPINION TOWARD THE MEXICAN ART AS WELL AS,
LATINAMERICAN ART. THANK YOU, DANIELA CARRILLO.
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:47:00 GMT
no!! let the cocteaus rot!!!!!!!!11
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Date: 19/09/96 15:07
jeff omits mention of L I S T E N I N G C A P
among 4ad's 1996 releases. even tho they've been
shitcanned (Liquorice, that is), this record
stays in heavy rotation in the klyn household,
and compliments our typical diet of hnia
quite nicely. i think 4ad is doing just fine,
and all yall who _still_ need to mourn the
good olde days...
well, ya'll can go elsewhere.
p.s. instant poll: should 4ad resign the cocteautwins?
*****************************************
dan [email protected]
*****************************************
The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes,
15
The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes
Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening,
Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains,
Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys,
Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap,
20
And seeing that it was a soft October night,
Curled once about the house, and fell asleep.
from The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock by T.S. Eliot
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:03:23 +0200
I *finally* managed to find a copy of early Can at affordable prices.
I thought all the albums had been re-released by Mute a couple of
years back? Have they gone out of print again? None of the cd shops
on the net had any copies -- they only listed imports from the French
label Spoon at quite high prices.
I found a copy of Tago Mago (from Spoon) in a record store today,
though. Wowsers! Those wacky Germans were *way* ahead of their
times. It sounds like, uhm, Tortoise. :-) And Stereolab. And the
drumming on some of the tracks sounded like A Certain Ratio. Funkee!
I think I like the more groovy things better than the truly
experimental. I must say I'm very impressed, and I'll have to search
out the rest of the early Can back catalogue. Perhaps I can order
directly from Spoon in Germany? Hm... Wowsers! They have e-mail
addresses and all, and they do mail order. Be still my beating credit
card!
Does Mute have a web site?
And I found a "new" Bel Canto album today -- sort of. (On sale,
even.) It's "Music Channel", which is a collaboration between Bel
Canto and verious Israeli and Palestinian musicians. It sounds like,
uhm, a mixture of Bel Canto and, uhm, various Israeli and Palestinian
musicians. :-) I don't know much about mid-Eastern music, but (to me)
it sounds a but like Nusrat jamming with Drecker. :-) I quite like it
-- probably better than "Music Box". If you're a Bel Canto fan, I
don't think you'll be much disappointed by this album. (I've only
listened to it once, though.)
--
"Yes. The journey through the human heart
would have to wait until some other time."
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:18:26 EDT
Traffic gets slow, so out comes the old debate about 4AD 'losing it'. Some
people never could grasp the concept of change. The label is nearly 17 years
old, or in other words has existed for a third of post-war history. This is the
same period of time it took from the blues to evolve from southern rural folk
songs to loud guitar bands - for jazz to grow from big bands to hard bop and for
rock to go from Elvis to ELP. That is a lot of change. And all through that time
people have been glancing behind with rose-tinted spectacles, hankering for the
old days. 4AD puts out music relevant to 1996 and 97, not 1985 - if they did
that, then they really would die (and deservedly too). It may not be all good,
or all to everyone's taste, but at least they avoid endlessly recycling their
past. For that alone, the world should be grateful.
- Dez
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:00:38 -0400
yes can were way ahead of their time and truly great
and that is main difference between them and simply average groups like
Tortoise, Stereolab. And a certain ratio
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:01:00 GMT
On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:08:52 EST, Juan Santana
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 13:44:05 -0800
>Just a quickie - I've heard Scenic mentioned quite a lot on the list.
>Who are they and what are they like?
>
>Replies gratefully received.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Simon
More information on the *fantastic* band Scenic can be found at:
Their two albums are Acquatica (newest) and Incident At Cima.
t h e m y s t e r y p a r a d e
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:38:46 +0200
Lars Wrote:
>early Can
>I thought all the albums had been re-released by Mute a couple of
>years back? Have they gone out of print again? None of the cd shops
>on the net had any copies -- they only listed imports from the French
>label Spoon at quite high prices.
Mute do distribution in the UK, US and Benelux. Spoon in the rest of the World.
>Does Mute have a web site?
www.mutelibtech.com/mute/
And they have a killer 100-pages full colour mailorder catalogue as well!
Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:34:29 -0500
Andrew writes about the new Lisa Germano:
> Pleasant but a little bland (I have listened to it two or three
> times), but then that's what I thought of the Small Heads EP, which
> took a while to get into and now keeps playing in my head. I think
> LG is possibly going to suffer from Wedding Present Syndrome (the new
> album's good, but they'll never top "Seamonsters"). "Geek the Girl"
> is one of the best albums 4AD have released, the new one is fine but
> not great. And I *HATE* the sloppy use of "schizophrenic" to mean
> "having two sides to your personality".
I must say that I was pretty disappointed with this new record after
being so blown away by Geek the Girl. Geek the Girl was loaded with
nuance and texture and undercurrent and the thriftstore instrumentation
in some songs made it sound like some bizarre Czech carnival nightmare!
And that's a complement! And the lyrics complemented the atmosphere
completely with their cutting introspection and complete surrender.
It was a gripping descent into the dark realms of sexual confusion and
longing, all the way down to the bizarre porcelain figurine on the cover
of the record. It could have easily been a soundtrack for a David Lynch
psychosexual thriller.
Love Circus lacks that feeling of "masterpiece" that Geek the Girl had.
Like Andrew said, it's pleasant, but it doesn't really grab you by the
shoulders and shake you like Geek does. I find the production of Love
Circus to be a bit lacking, too. The songs don't sound nearly as "full"
as Geek or Happiness. Malcolm Burn, who produced Happiness and Geek,
wasn't involved on this one and it definitely shows. He had an intuitive
approach to her music that Paul Mahern just can't match.
Lisa Germano is an amazing personality and her music, at its best, can
grab you right by the gut with its insight into people and relationships.
I hope for her next record she's able to work with people like Malcolm
Burn that help her bring out her unique talents.
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:48:13 -0600
is it in any way possible to find the piano music, or does someone here
have it
figured out, for the red house painters song mistress???
any help would be Greatly appreciated!
denise
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 18:31:26 -0500
What is the name of the Pale Saints album that came before "In Ribbons"? It
may not be the one immediately preceding "In Ribbons"--I'm not sure. All I
know is...there were rumors...there were rumors he was into field hockey
players...there were rumors that the guy sang on every song. The girl never
sang. Forgive my ignorance but a friend lent me a copy of the album and it
didn't have the title on it or anything. I don't even know what the sleeve
looks like. Plus, that was a few years ago AND I no longer am speaking to
the person who lent it to me in the first place. It seems that the only
Pale Saints album I ever see in record shops is "In Ribbons" and nothing
else. Can this "mystery" album still be obtained? I'm sure it's only a
mystery to me but who the heck else can I turn to for this information?
Anyway, I really, really liked it and wish to own the CD if that is at all
possible. Please help!
Thanks in advance,
Lysa
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:43:49 -0700
At 12:53 AM 9/19/96, einexile the meek wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
>
>> ps. Where's einexille. I'm sure he could give the eulogy. :-)
>
>Yours, you mean? A PLEASURE. SIGN ME UP.
>
>Jesus Christ. Go find a new record label already.
>
>1. Ninja Tune
>2. Warp
>3. Fax
>4. Instinct
>
>
> e
I alread found a long time ago. Your late.
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:24:03 -0700
> What is the name of the Pale Saints album that came before "In Ribbons"? It
the comforts of madness
> players...there were rumors that the guy sang on every song. The girl never
she wasn't in the band at the time so yeah, she never sang.
> the person who lent it to me in the first place. It seems that the only
> Pale Saints album I ever see in record shops is "In Ribbons" and nothing
> else. Can this "mystery" album still be obtained? I'm sure it's only a
As far as I know it's never been released in the US so you'll need to look
for the 4ad version. Strangely enough, the local indie store has had
three copies of the import for months now at the incredibly reasonable
price of like 13.99 or something.
aaron
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:00:10 -0500
The album in question is entitled "The Comforts of Madness," and that
album was recorded whilst Pale Saints were a three piece (pre-Meriel
Barham, or "the girl"). It's available as an import-only release here
in the States, and I personally think it's their best album.
But that's just me. ;)
Cheers,
hk
[.sigless]
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:07:22 -0500
Hey, Marvyn, please, answer me if you're still on the list.
Boroda
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:38:31 -0500
I just love the RHP covers and inner sleeve photos.
Can anyone tell me the full name of the photographer
and if his work is available in print besides the work done
for RHP. If find them very beautiful and they are really
inspiring me in my photography work lately. I know that
Simon Larbalestier did the Colourful Hill cover but who
has done the others? Kevin Berk I know you can tell me
these answers.
I applaud Vaughan and Chris for the people they work
any exhibitions or books out of his stuff?), Russell Mills,
Melodie McDaniel, Jim Friedman, J. Love, Colin Gray,
of course Mike Folliott (go Graydon!), Simon, etc etc.
Any info on this would be cool.
Steve
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:42:06 -0500
>AS A FAN #1 OF THE MEXICAN WOMEN PAINTER, FRIDA KAHLO. I WOULD LIKE TO
>INTERCHANGE INFORMATION ABOUT HER LIFE AND HER ART WORK WITH YOU. ALSO,
>I WOULD WANT TO KNOW YOUR OPINION TOWARD THE MEXICAN ART AS WELL AS,
>LATINAMERICAN ART. THANK YOU, DANIELA CARRILLO.
KHALO COOL...Screaming not.
Steve
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139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1
(905) 884-2601
"Listen pal, you can't just waltz in here, use my toaster
and start spouting universal truths without qualification!"
-Jude from Hal Hartley's "Surviving Desire"