Subject: Re: the boy in zinc looking for...
Subject: HNIA & Paige Sept. 5th review
Subject: Re: Smiling (Emma)
Subject: Missing gigs!
Subject: Re: Unrest's Hydro & hidden picture
Subject: Cocteau Twins, Lush, Mojave 3 in latest Big Takeover
Subject: Re: Unrest's Hydro & hidden picture
Subject: TAD 6017 Ruthie's Knocking
Subject: Re: Unrest's Hydro & hidden picture
Subject: Re: DCD red vinyl 12"
Subject: Re: RIDE info/only subliminally thislisty, ACHTUNG!
Subject: Re: RIDE info/only subliminally thislisty, ACHTUNG!
Subject: Re: TAD 6017 Ruthie's Knocking
Subject: the ultimate epic song
Subject: Re: the boy in zinc looking for...
Subject: Re: Smiling (Emma)
Subject: Re: isn't anything re-issue?
Subject: Re: DCD red vinyl 12"
Subject: columbia japan update
Subject: Re: washington d.c. stores.
Subject: Re: washington d.c. stores.
Subject: HNIA PORTLAND
Subject: Re: RIDE info/only subliminally thislisty, ACHTUNG!
Subject: DCD 3
Subject: What would you ask to a muse?
Subject: 5 Time
Subject: Portland HNIA Review
Subject: Re: 5 Time
Subject: Emma's smiling frenzy!
Subject: a r kane?
Subject: Japanese Lush
Subject: Re: SSS; Request for Slumber Info
Subject: too pure news
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 06:06:29 +0200
On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, the boy in zinc
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:36:03 -0400
First off, let me say that His Name Is Alive played an excellent show.
Despite what some people may have thought about the shows in Texas, their Los
Angeles shows were wonderful. On Thursday, September 5th, HNIA went on at
about 9:30p.m. They played most of the songs off their new album, and one
song off the album "Mouth by Mouth". Although Karin was just getting over her
laningitis, she sang beautifully all night long. Then after they played, the
Los Angeles band, Paige, went on. They are truly an amazing band. They have
that very ethereal, yet aggressive sound to them. Marcie, the lead singer of
Paige held the audience in awe. After the show, I noticed the members of
Paige paling around with the members of HNIA. Could Paige somehow be
affiliated with HNIA or 4ad ? In either case, it was a great show, and
despite all the stupid postings that we�ve been seeing about HNIA and puppet
shows, I really think that it was a one time thing, and I would have like to
be at that show just so I could have thrown my two cents in.
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:18:37 -0700
Michael Borum wrote:
> I must agree with Emma when it comes to the smiling thing. But I also
> agree that her demeanor can sometimes be one of a complete BITCH. I
> ran into her at the bar at a Lush show once (while the opening act were
> playing) and said "Hi. Look forward to your show tonight..." and she
> looked at me as if I'd just farted. \/\/hatever. L7 are more polite.
Miki may have just been tired or having a bad day. During Lush's last
visit to Toronto, I spotted Miki in the crowd watching the opening act
and chatting with a few fans brave enough to say hi. I walked up and
asked her to sign a Lush album cover and she was totally nice about it
AND EVEN SMILED.
I'm positive L7 have had at least one instance where they didn't smile at
a fan or whatever. I've met Miki (and the rest of Lush) a couple times
and in each case they were happy enough and behaved very politely.
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:30:23 +0100
Read a couple of mails about people missing gigs so just a
quick mail to let you of some of the gigs I've had to miss
this past weekend:
Lush / Scheer / Nick Cave & Simon Raymonde both doing
a sort of spoken word thing / James Lavelle of Mo'Wax
DJ'ing on a boat / Heidi Berry and Throwing Muses this
sat. All were taking part in the In The City Festival in
Dublin.
But hopefully will catch the Divine Comedy tonite. Also
heard Luna's "California (all the way)" in an ad for Visa.
The joys of night-shift!
Hugh O'Brien [email protected]
"Music has to be sound, otherwise you are lost.Sound
goes into the inner part of the human soul"-Iannis Xenakis
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:41:00 GMT
I feel a thread based on "Great Long Drone-Type Tracks" coming on.
So, here's my input while the topic's still fresh.
1. Djed (Tortoise) - approx 20 mins - ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!!!! (Not
quite drone but it has it's moments, it's name the countless number of
styles that have influenced this track!)
2. The latest Flying Saucer Attach 'Live' CD - approx 70 mins.
With the large amount of talent in this area surely 4AD must be able
to sign someone!
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Date: 09/09/96 21:56
Geoff Elgey wrote:
> What really made me buy it, though, was the last track, a 33-minute
>toon called 'Hydro'. Now I thought that rock bands making elongated
>pieces went out around 1974 with Yes/Genesis/ELP (shudder!). This one's
>not too bad though: it sounds like a jam session that just forget to stop
>somewhere along the line. In fact, it didn't lose my interest at all. So
>there you go.
"Hydro", I think, is an homage to (and reducto-ad-absurdam of) Stereolab,
whom Unrest toured with (and released a split single with) in 1993. It's
got that "single chord drone with occasional changes" sound that a lot of
Stereolab has. If you like "Hydro" I'd definitely recommend that you check
out Stereolab -- try "Transient Random-Noise Bursts With Announcements"
first, as it's the album that was current at the time they and Unrest were
touring, and it features the 17-minute "Jenny Ondioline", an excellent
very long track.
>But what about 'rock' artists/groups making long pieces? Is this still
>regarded as pompous/pretentious twaddle?
There's always Sonic Youth's "Expressway To Yr Skull", which on the LP
version is infinitely long thanks to a lock-groove at the end.
Bark Psychosis' "Scum" (available on their "Independency compilation,
it's great, buy it) is a 21-minute masterpiece that goes from slowed-down
jazzy dub to sheets of white noise and back again...
Most of the good long rock pieces being done now seem to be strongly
influenced (in ways other than length!) by
ambient/techno/dub/electronica, which in my book tends to make them quite
interesting. Whereas the dreaded 70's prog-rock extravaganzas were
usually influenced by boring Romantic-era classical music (ELP were major
offenders here.) The exception there being some of the "Krautrock" bands
(Neu!, Can, etc.) whose influence on current music is a very positive one.
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 02:53:40 -0700
The newest Big Takeover is now out and features interviews with the Cocteau
Twins, Lush, Mojave 3, along with Ian and Will from Electrafixion, Greg Sage
from the Wipers and several others. If you're not already familiar with
the Big Takeover, do yourself a favour! It's the best magazine in existance,
no question! You can get more info by writing to editor Jack Rabid at
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:12:20 +0100
9, 96 10:52:00 am
Jens Alfke Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:47:46 +0200
I received a flyer today, with the new Lisa Germano LP (with inner bag,
Jeff!) and CD (tri-fold digipak) from 4AD Mailorder, saying:
"Throwing Muses
Ruthie's Knocking
TAD 6017
a seven-inch only release
limited to 1500 copies
released 23rd september
available only through CWNN stores
(available through mail order only
in europe and the rest of the world)
if you already are a 7" subscriber
you need do nothing
if you are not, please contact tim hall at mail order
by 17th september to receive ruthie's knocking"
Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:47:35 +0200
Jens wrote:
>"Hydro", I think, is an homage to (and reducto-ad-absurdam of) Stereolab,
>whom Unrest toured with (and released a split single with) in 1993. It's
>got that "single chord drone with occasional changes"
Good theory! But remember that 'Hydro' is one of those tracks/chord
changes/songs Unrest would work out again and again on different records
(Another one is 'The Hill', that can be found on the first 7", one of the
first tapes, the first LP, on 'Malcolm X Park' and on the 'Magic Ribbons'
7"comp).
The original, short, vocal, version of 'Hydro' is Hydroplane' from the 'Yes
She Is My Skinhead Girl' 7" (1991), Then there are 'Hydrofoil No.1', on the
UK CD version of 'Imperial', and 'Hydrofoil No.3', on the bonus 7" that came
with the UK LP version of 'Imperial' (1992). Finaly 'Hydro' from the 'Cath
Carroll' 12"/CD-EP (1993).
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:47:41 +0200
>At Tower Records I saw a red vinyl 12" which features 'Nierika,'
>'Dedicace Outo' and 'The Snake and the Moon.' On the label is
>a DCD logo (the same one in the tour programme, I think) but no
>4AD logo. The only other thing on it (apart from the titles) is
>DCD 2 and 'Tony' with what looks like a London phone number. Can
>anyone shed light as to what this actually is?
DCD 2 is indeed a UK promo. How the hell did it get there?
>the PIAS single release that Huite posted a while back.
It's domestic, but I've never had so much trouble finding a 4AD release :)
The PIAS Benelux CD, containing 'The Snake And The Moon (Edit)' and 'Song Of
The Nile' (Cat# 170.1111.24) comes in a card sleeve. The design is based on
the 'Spiritchaser' design (of course), but features that same red stole(?)
you can see on the frontcover of the US 'advance compakt disk' version of
'Spritchaser', although the pic. is not the same.
Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:23:27 -0400
>
On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Aaron Thorne wrote:
> duh
>
a thousand pardons to those ridefans for whom the
ATN snippet i snipped was unhelpful/misleading.
while not a ride listener myself, i assumed that
some would be interested, and assumed even further
that ATN's article would be factual, as most everything
else that they report is usually relevant.
that's part of the bargain in cyberspace, i sometimes
forget--garbage in = garbage out.... soggy.
****************************************
-dan [email protected] stooge-
****************************************
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:14:37 -0400
>
Actually, instead of crucifying dan for trying to be helpful with the
Ride info, I was actually kinda interested to get some leads on the new
bands that might come out of that unfortunate state of affairs. Although
we did all know about the break up, how many of us knew the names of side
projects that the boys were working on?
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:24:16 -0400
On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
> if you already are a 7" subscriber
> you need do nothing
> if you are not, please contact tim hall at mail order
> by 17th september to receive ruthie's knocking"
What's a 7" subscriber?
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:24:28 -0400
nearly ten years ago now i did a radio show here in minneapolis. i was on
from 6am-9am, and all i did was attempt to scare people as they woke up to go
on their way to work. it was a blast. one week we got a request for some
extemely long song and a debate began at the station as to whether or not we
should play a song that long. i got the brilliant idea to open the phone
lines and let people request their favorite long song. i got a huge amount of
calls and the next show i narrowed the list down to the five "finalists". i
took votes all morning on what was the ultimate epic song. third place
finisher was whipping post by the allman brothers. this was the obvious spoof
voters. second place was dark star by the grateful dead. now some of you may
scoff but at their best the dead rival or destory any so called "out-there"
artists of today or any time period. it is their modern fans that really give
them the bad name. look around for some of the live versions of dark star and
you might have your mind blown like i did. but i regress. the winner was,
easily, sister ray by the velvet underground. we searched with every
collector we knew and played every version, mostly bootlegs, that we could
find. over three hours of sister ray, including joy division's version from
still. it was glorious. i think the longest version we found was around 27
minutes from the infamous cleveland cave shows.
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 06:33:29 -0700
"[email protected]" at Sep 10, 96 06:06:29 am
> To: [email protected]
> On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, the boy in zinc Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:38:40 -0400
I was talking about Emma, not Miki. Miki's a doll...
Mike
[email protected]
At 11:18 PM 9/9/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Michael Borum wrote:
>
>> I must agree with Emma when it comes to the smiling thing. But I also
>> agree that her demeanor can sometimes be one of a complete BITCH. I
>> ran into her at the bar at a Lush show once (while the opening act were
>> playing) and said "Hi. Look forward to your show tonight..." and she
>> looked at me as if I'd just farted. \/\/hatever. L7 are more polite.
>Miki may have just been tired or having a bad day. During Lush's last
>visit to Toronto, I spotted Miki in the crowd watching the opening act
>and chatting with a few fans brave enough to say hi. I walked up and
>asked her to sign a Lush album cover and she was totally nice about it
>AND EVEN SMILED.
>
>I'm positive L7 have had at least one instance where they didn't smile at
>a fan or whatever. I've met Miki (and the rest of Lush) a couple times
>and in each case they were happy enough and behaved very politely.
>
>Jeff Keibel
>Toronto, ON
>CANADA
>[email protected]
>
>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:56:46 -0800
> mbv: isn't anything
>
>This one was re-released by Creation earlier this year, so you shouldn't
>have any problems finding it.
Are there extra tracks?
t h e m y s t e r y p a r a d e
---> esoteric graphic design
---> catalogue number 30 is http://home.earthlink.net/~tmp/
---> (+) (-)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 17:31:38 +0200
>At Tower Records I saw a red vinyl 12" which features 'Nierika,'
>'Dedicace Outo' and 'The Snake and the Moon.' On the label is
>a DCD logo (the same one in the tour programme, I think) but no
>4AD logo. The only other thing on it (apart from the titles) is
>DCD 2 and 'Tony' with what looks like a London phone number. Can
>anyone shed light as to what this actually is? I have a feeling
>it's not related to the PIAS single release that Huite posted a
>while back since there's a sticker on the sleeve saying 'Made in
>England.'
>
It's the promo for the 'Spiritchaser' album of Dead Can Dance.
It's from the 4AD headquarters in London, indeed.
I've only seen it in a clear plastic sleeve. Nice to have though.
Bought mine at Rebel in NYC for $ 11.
This is not related to the PIAS DCD single.
Cheers,
Huite
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:52:26 +0900
COCY-80351 Lush - Topolino - 2000 yen - 31 Aug 1996
Celebrating their 3rd tour in Japan. Compilation of singles, different
cover art (as is the case).
500 (Shake Baby Shake), I Have The Moon, Ex, I Wanna Be Your Girlfriend,
Matador, Piledriver, I'd Like to Walk Around in Your Mind, Carmen, Plums &
Oranges
COCY-80370 Dead Can Dance - Spirit Chaser - 2500 yen - 21 Sep 1996
# 108 yen =~ $1US
---
Masaya Toyokawa
190-25 Nansei,Mie, 516-01 Japan
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:58:38 EDT
On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:48:26 -0400 WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA
<[email protected]> writes:
> Hello.
>
> A friend's uncle will travel to Washington D.C. to make some
>shops, so can someone give us the address of music stores to go there?
>
> Regards.
>
> Wilder.
You have the normal chains, like Tower and HMV. Then you have the
regional chain, Kemp Mill Records, which has pretty good cut-out and
overstock bins (example: I've found Cocteau Twins, Harold Budd, David
Sylvian in those bins in the past.) My favorite indie store when I lived
up there was Vinyl Ink located across the line in Silver Spring,
Maryland.
I live in Atlanta suburbs now & miss the access to great stores I had in
DC. Oh, well...
Enjoy your trip,
Carol Coney
>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:32:39 -0400
Go Discs in Arlington, VA. Good indie store located to the world
headquarters of a bunch of big labels (Teenbeat, Simple Machines, and
Dischord).
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:13:02 -0700
great show in portland last night - karin was a delight - very friendly
poloroid fiesta... was anyone elese on this list there???
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:51:13 -0700
>
On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, lee harvey fnordwald wrote:
>
> a thousand pardons to those ridefans for whom the
> ATN snippet i snipped was unhelpful/misleading.
>
then Joseph Burns
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 17:44:37 -0700
OK - so what is DCD 3 then??
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:34:24 -0800
I am conducting an interview with Mrs. Hersh next week. Please send me
any question you would like to ask her at my email address:
[email protected]
As always, questions in spanish or english are welcomed.
thanks,
enrique
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:57:59 -0700
5 things this time...
1. Has anyone seen a French 7-track promo CD called "Live" from Tarnation
before?? If so, could you please e-mail me a tracklisting and a
catalogue number? Thanks!!
2. The last I heard, The Paladins new album "Million Mile Club" (CAD6015/
CAD6015CD) will be issued on October 7th in the UK. A recent ad in
Option magazine listed a US release (46367) as being released on
September 24th. Does anyone know if the UK date has been moved ahead as
well?? There sure are lots of other pre-4AD Paladins releases out there
judging by the various net CD stores I've surfed through lately!
3. While channel surfing Monday afternoon, I noticed a live press
conference on the community channel involving The Toronto Film Festival
and one of the films featured this year called "Albino Alligator". The
film stars my favorite actor Kevin Spacey (who directs, too!!!) as well
as Matt Dillon and Faye Dunnaway. Also on the panel of celebrities was
4AD's very own Michael Brook, who is doing the soundtrack. So, keep an
eye out for the soundtrack if your into Michael Brook. It seems he puts
out more stuff on other labels rather than 4AD lately or is it just me?
4. I've noticed a few places on the net selling a US "Slow Dust" CD
single from Belly. Is there such a thing or is this just a Sire/Reprise
promo, specifically PRO-CD-6131??
5. ...and while on the subject of US CD singles, espeacially from Warner
Bros., what is the purpose of putting out R.E.M.'s (and other bands) new
single out on a two-track CD single as well as a four-track CD Maxi-
single??? Is this just another way for die hard fans to buy the same
songs a multiple of times?
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
[email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:12:50 -0500
HNIA, Portland, OR
First of all, let me just say that whoever decided to book HNIA at the
*tiny* Umbra Penumbra coffee house should be shot! The place can only
hold about 40 people tops, and of that group maybe 20 might be able to
see the "stage" (a small 10' x 10' room-like space). The single bathroom
faces the small area in front of the "stage" and makes for an steady
stream of people through an area that is already over-packed. There's
also no separate stage entrance, so the band members were forced to crush
through the crowd and climb over furniture.
I had bought tickets early enough to get in, but all my friends were
turned away at the door. Grrr... Miss Murgatroid was the opening act
with her solo accordion music. It was somewhat entertaining, but the
stress of being packed in like sardines made it difficult to bear her
slow, droning pieces. The audience was showing a great deal of agitation
and I think she played too long considering the circumstances. She
finally made a joke about the "sell-out" crowd and allowed us to get on
with it.
Let me say that HNIA is perhaps the strangest group of musicians I have
ever seen. It certainly did appear that a roving band of mental patients
had wandered into the venue and revealed their twisted inner visions to
the audience. Warren being the manic musical savant leading the pack.
Music comes through Warren DeFever's fingers like he's channeling it from
"the other side." I have never seen anything quite like it. I can only
compare it to a cultish religious revival where the preacher starts
drinking strychnine and handling snakes. This world is definitely not
his home, that's for sure!
The HNIA band appears to be completely disconnected from the "normal"
world. Like "insane" people, they almost seem to invented their own
little world with their own symbols, languages, rituals, etc. Perhaps
the disorientation of touring is beginning to have its effects.
Warren is an exceptionally talented musician. Perhaps it is this
flirting with madness that keeps his music so disorientingly enjoyable.
I just hope he doesn't go "Syd Barett" on us. Keeping the signal while
heaping on layers of noise is a difficult balancing act. It's too easy
to become lost in the undifferentiated static.
+La Luna La Luna La Luna+
|. . . . . . . .| Chris Hanis
| . . . . .. |
|. . . ) . . .| [email protected]
| . . . . . . |
|. .. . . . . .| http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~cmhanis/
+La Luna La Luna La Luna+
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:05:52 CST
>
>5 things this time...
>
>5. ...and while on the subject of US CD singles, espeacially from Warner
>Bros., what is the purpose of putting out R.E.M.'s (and other bands) new
>single out on a two-track CD single as well as a four-track CD Maxi-
>single??? Is this just another way for die hard fans to buy the same
>songs a multiple of times?
Well, at least the Pet Shop Boys had the decency to clearly differentiate
between their two singles for "Before".
One has three tracks plus CD-ROM video, and the other has I think 8 mixes. As
for everyone else, I don't know what their excuses are.
--gary
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:57:15 -0700
I attended the Shaving the Pavement show in San Francisco last March. I was
right up against the stage, to the left side, where the barrier ended. I
definately was closer to Emma (she was right in front of me) than anyone
else there. A very large bouncer (whom I bribed with one of the Shaving the
Pavement cassettes) made sure ot it. Anyway,
Emma was playing along and I was dancing and having a great time. She
looked down at me several times and could see that I was mouthing the words
to the songs and really enjoying myself. Each time she looked down she
smiled at me. It was direct eye contact and I am sure that she was looking
at me. In fact, I told my friend Michelle that I was going to get her to
smile. She did many times during the show. She even started laughing once
and shaking her head like she thought I was nuts.
I guess I should consider myself lucky considering the recent postings.
Layne
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:35:51 -0700
so here i get to bow my head in shame at never having knowingly heard a
r kane. however, while prowling the good ol' used bins of the local
record shop, i came across albums and singles by them. now, i know i
have heard rave things about them and their god-like nature. but can
anyone elaborate? what do they sound like? what are some good albums,
eps, singles (they had it all) that would be a good starting point? -
drew
obmusicgeek - they had the first rerelease of matt johnson's 'burning
blue soul' as well as rachel's (in stock - no more special orders for
cool stuff). and they played both spiritchaser and stars on esp while i
was there. i love my new home(town).
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:09:53 -0700
COCY-78365 : Lush : Cookie
COCY-80094 : Lush : Cookie
What is the difference between these two "Cookie" compilations?? Is one
a cassette? I have the 78365 one and now I'm curious about this other
one. Hmmmmm...
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
[email protected]