Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:02:01 -0500
shar everett wrote:
> * TO LEAVE THE LIST *
> Write to LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU and, in the text of your message (not the
> subject line), write: SIGNOFF 4AD-L
Yes, I have tried that NUMEROUS times, and have sent mail to the list
owners. Maybe this message will do the trick. Sorry guys, I know
*everyone* will get this but the only response I have gotten from the
list owners are smart-ass replies, not the cancellation I have been
requesting for at least 2 weeks.
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:34:33 -0700
Susan Bairstow wrote:
>shar everett wrote:
>> * TO LEAVE THE LIST *
>> Write to LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU and, in the text of your message (not the
subject line), write: SIGNOFF 4AD-L
>Yes, I have tried that NUMEROUS times, and have sent mail to the >list owners.
Maybe this message will do the trick. Sorry guys, I >know *everyone* will get
this but the only response I have gotten >from the list owners are smart-ass
replies, not the cancellation I >have been requesting for at least 2 weeks.
the problem here is a little more fundamental. It seems you have strayed to
close to the list. See, you have to maintain a more aloof, more distant
posture with this list. Otherwise, it sucks you in, just like a blackhole. If
you are lucky, you might just be stuck in orbit around this gravitational
phenomenon known as the 4AD-L, and hence, with enough force, may be able to
break free. Otherwise, the only way out is straight through, and as anyone who
has seen the creepy Disney flick can attest to, it's not a pretty sight.
forced to follow the progressing bathos that is my life
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:43:38 -0700
On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
> Please ask him why he included those PATHETIC guitar solos on 'Songs For A
> Blue Guitar', an otherwise very good album. Those solos just show how
> horrible rock music can be (or simply is??).
see, that's the weird thing. I mean the guitar solo thing was supposedly
what ivo didn't like about the album so i expected some typical classic
rock soloing. there's none of that, or at least very little. the solos
on 'songs for a blue guitar' are just messed up noise with little musical
quality to them. take the one in make like paper for instance. But i
like them. i like them in the same way that i like the second half of
Moments from Ocean Beach or most of Mother. Several others actually. It
accomplishes something musically. i'm not sure I know how to describe
what it does, but i know it fits in the way i understand rhp songs. adds
a bit of chaos to a seemingly normal song. To me, what separates rhp from
other acoustic-based groups is that they're always unpredictable and never
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 06:59:21 -0400
>>The Garbage situation is one reason I'm so ecstatic about Curve's reunion.
>>I recall thinking to myself, upon first hearing Garbage's "Stupid Girl",=
>>god...what a Curve ripoff. Too bad Curve aren't around to show them who's
>>boss of THAT..." Well, now they're around again. And I wonder exactly how
>>it will be handled...
Garbage sound exactly like Curve, only softer, every time, no matter how
they dress it up with stupid harmonica sounds or whatever. They'd like to be
Curve but they can't quite figure out how to do it without being cheesy.
Stupid Girl has a cheesy 80s beat, cheesy Duran Duran drum fills, cheesy
melodramatic keyboard at the bridge, etc. I can't wait to hear people who
haven't heard Curve until now say "This sounds like Garbage".
>I read an interview with Tony
>Halliday (The article was called 'Were are they now?') and Tony herself said
>that Garbage IS Curve... so enough said.
Interestingly enough, Miki from Lush said the same thing in a similar
article in Select a while ago. Even though Garbage have supposedly expressed
their admiration for Curve, I bet they're a little embarrassed now.
Butch Vig's real name is Brian,
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:08:20 GMT
But english is the worst language that exist,
> because is very difficult to say the truth in english. The way the
> structure of this language is made takes you away from the truth. But I
> feel, when i found the center of my voice, my real center, it will be
> imposible for me to do it in spanish. We cant make the language a
> soup of letters...
I'm not much of a linguist (English fluently, French adequately,
Spanish -- whatever I can remember from junior high), so I'm not the
best one to comment, but I prefer English to French -- the *potential*
between the Anglo-Saxon and Latinate words is immense, French sounds
blandly beautiful by comparison.
On the other hand, I often find it easier to tell the truth in French.
Why -- probably because English is my native language, and stating
uncomfortable things in a non-native tongue is a way of disguising
them, and making them more palatable. Perhaps primitive parts of mind
-- parts tied closely to emotion -- don't understand French at all, so
it's a way of slipping things out under their radar.
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:40:30 EDT
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:50:33 -0400
okay, okay, i know the NME sucks, but when youre
an anglophile musically, and the melody maker isnt
online, and you work in front of a computer 40 hrs
weekly... well, you get the picture. anyways,
apparently theres a full lenght interview with
ms. halliday from garbage/curve in the new nme,
and here's the excerpt they provide online as a teaser:
Dean's got a whole family. I'm
married now. There's other things
going on in our lives that stimulate
what we do, by the way. We
would never sacrifice our lives,
because there's priorities. It's such a privileged
position to be in, to make music. But the reality of it
is: when music's gone, and you can no longer do that,
when you have no career, where are your friends and
family? And I would never sacrifice a friendship, even
for music. It's too important. People are too important.
Relationships are too important.
- Toni Halliday
Extracts from interviews featured in
NME's September 7 issue
**** Ya cant get a suntan on the moon ***
**** But i wouldnt mind a holiday there...***
**** (all expenses paid courtesy of N A S A *********
*** "Thank-you, Mr. President. For my holiday, sir ******
******* (couldnt really say that i wish you were here) *********
*********** but thanks just the same, sir ***************
************* for my holiday, sir ***************
********* what a wonderful time **********
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:25:37 +0200
On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, lee harvey fnordwald wrote:
> okay, okay, i know the NME sucks, but when youre
> an anglophile musically, and the melody maker isnt
> online, and you work in front of a computer 40 hrs
Ah, someone with good taste :)
NME sucks indeed,I only buy it when it has a free tape or something.
And Melody Maker rules : they only use music as an excuse to write
great essays on today's life :).MM is literature.
ps. Could you believe a Belgian magazine (HUMO) quoted an quote from
Mr.Agreable as if it were a review of dEUS' new single.( it was
something like :"the best thing that came from belgium lately is the
f***ing ferry") They are sooo stupid.
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:28:28 BST
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:33:46 GMT
...so the hero of Chris 'X-Files' Carter's new TV show _Millenium_ is
called... Frank Black. Will his partner be called Kim Deal, I wonder..?
- 'sic biscuitus disintegrat'
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:28:47 -0500
the link was never discussed but i typed in a few stanzas.
wish you had been here to notice.
do you like anne sexton? one of my favorite poets, and "the horizon bleeds and
sucks it's thumb" (tmc) is a line from one of her poems.
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:45:56 EDT
On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 06:59:21 -0400 hirvea vihrea
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:48:22 -0700
Hmmm... so far nobody else has reviewed Lush in LA, so here's a
stab. They played Wed night at the El Rey Theatre, which isn't
such a bad venue. It's one of those old-fashioned "dance" halls.
Reasonably good acoustics. I wouldn't mind seeing more shows there.
Opening band #1: Muzzle. Eh. Pretty much a snoozer.
Opening band #2: Imperial Teen. OK, this is much better. For one
thing, they seemed to be pretty excited about opening for Lush.
Two chicks, two guys. All of whom shared singing/instrument
responsibilities pretty evenly (drummer switched out with the
guitarist, all four sang lead at some point, etc.) They had some
rather catchy, poppy, thrashy songs, ala Scheer or even Heavenly.
I was impressed. Can anybody suggest a starting album by this
Finally, Lush came on. The show was rather uneven and choppy.
Emma got pretty annoyed at the sound and stopped the show for 10
minutes while the roadies tried to "fix" whatever was wrong.
Personally, I couldn't hear any problems, although they may have
been in the monitors. The fact that the band was visibly rather
drunk (Miki noted "Yes, we ARE lush" at one point) wasn't conducive
to their dealing with the problems. I'm not sure, but at one point,
I swear the roadies gave Miki a purposely mistuned guitar. It was
certainly mistuned, but I don't know if it was done on purpose.
Their version of "De-luxe" was pretty sloppy and lifeless, but I
must say their performances of their newer material was actually
quite inspired. "Last Night", "Ladykillers", "500" and even
"Hypocrite" were all fine performances. They encored with a pretty
long version of the already rather long "Desire Lines" and another
song that escapes me at the moment. The highlight of the evening
(or at least the thing that we got and no other audience did) was
a version of "Ciao!" featuring Miki and Ian Astbury (?) of the
Cult. (Another Cult member was playing acoustic guitar). Poor Ian
had to read the lyrics from a paper, but he did a fine job playing
the pompous, egotistical, vain asshole. (Although, I fear he wasn't
acting. :-) Still, a nice moment.
All told, the show wasn't as great a disaster as the Glam Slam show
of the last tour (in which they ended up postponing the show for
one night due to sound problems). But, it was enjoyable nonetheless.
Finally, the evening's quotable quotes (which pretty much sum up
Miki (in response to the audiences enthusiastic welcome): "Geez,
all we said was 'hello'!"
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:43:13 -0700
this time a 4ad _band_ was in a commercial, not just a song. Lush was
featured in a Rock the Vote commercial that was aired during the preview
to the MTV music video awards. and if you're asking yourself what exactly
do brits have to do with americans voting, miki explains it in commercial
by saying, "after all we've [th brits] done for you, you're still not
going to vote?"
i thought it was cute. :)
Steal a moon on the water with a bucket.
Keep stealing until no moon is seen on the
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:32:09 +0000
no i don=B4t, did you?
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:33:28 -0700
THE SONG IS THE THING
Neurosurgery with Kristin Hersh and Kelley Deal
with Clove, Watercan
Friday, Sept. 6. The Horseshoe, 370 Queen St. W. $8.50.
THE KELLEY DEAL 6000
with Low, Versus, Local Rabbits
Monday, Sept. 9. Lee's Palace, 529 Bloor St. W. $12 at door, $10 from
by CINDY MCGLYNN
Interestingly, the question "So, how do you write those fabulous songs
anyway?" elicits a nice variety of responses from the rock star
community. And MuchMusic devotees everywhere are no doubt thankful for
that. Turns out songs are just like snowflakes, and every artist takes a
slightly different approach. Tori Amos once told me she gets visited by
ghosts. AC/DC write a snappy title first and then power chords to match.
Girls Against Boys slick on thick blue pomade to get feeling sexy before
Throwing Muses' Kristin Hersh's technique is my favorite. Insisting she's
the least new age person you'll ever meet, Hersh tells the Amityville
Horror-like story of being woken up by phantom songs nobody else can
hear. "I wrote Limbo while touring University," says Hersh referring to
writing the band's current record while touring their last, "and one song
was written in New Zealand, one in Kansas, etc., and it's always 4 a.m.
And I always think, 'Oh, I can't sleep. What's wrong? And what's that
noise?' Like in Motel Sixes, people are always blasting radios so I
always figure that's what it is. And then I look at a clock and it's 4
o'clock on the dot. Oh shit. Another song."
Hersh says it's not because of her creative genes. "I mean I have no
impulses to paint pictures or do dances. I don't even like art. I think
it's stupid. I'm not a groovy person at all. And yet I'll get to a
house and get really sick if there are any bad vibes. I actually went to
Madonna's house this year for Easter and I had nightmares all night
Madonna recently sold the house, apparently once owned by mobsters who
had committed murders there, saying it was haunted. "I was talking to
some friends of mine who actually are groovy, and saying, 'How do I get
rid of this? I didn't ask for this to happen.' And she's," Kristin
referring to a groovy friend, not Evita, "like, 'Well, you could eat
Cheetos and watch TV all day.' And it was like 'That will make me less
sensitive? I'll do it!' "
If Kristin slept better at night, the pop world would be lesser for it.
Seven albums into the Muses' career (plus Hersh's lovely solo album), the
band manages to grow artistically and experiment. Limbo, their first disc
on their own label (distributed by Rykodisc/ Denon), is spare, at times
melancholy, heady and sexy. The defining feature may be the crisp
production and clean guitars, which Hersh says is just what the songs
demanded. "The chords needed to be what shone through. Sometimes, if you
lean on personality, you end up with style. And that overshadows
substance as a priority.
"People are always bitching at me for not producing records more. Why?
Why do you need makeup and earrings? Look at the face. It's there. It's a
face. But people don't even see it really. People just fall into the
songs easier if you have a bunch of backing vocals and pings and pongs
and reverbs. We're just too old to do them any favors any more."
Kelley Deal's approach to producing her band's first CD, Go To The Sugar
Altar (Nice/PolyGram) is similarly minimalist, though slightly less
studied than Hersh's. "If you have good musicians in there and good mics
and stuff, you're pretty much OK," Deal says, on the phone from
her home in Minneapolis. "And another thing too, of course, is, you know,
With the help of the Grifters' Dave Shouse, Deal has produced a
surprisingly swinging batch of tunes, even though she picked up her first
instrument four years ago when joining sister Kim's band, the Breeders.
Kelley was always the voice of the sisters when they played truck stops
as teenagers. Kim was the one learned "Stairway To Heaven" on the guitar.
"No, not really," Deal says, laughing. "She did know 'Blackbird' from the
Eagles. I mean, not the Eagles. The Beatles. Yeah. Same thing."
But Kelley says she's getting better and has recently taken the
all-important step of bonding with her guitar. "Yesterday, before
checking my baggage, I patted my guitar and said, 'It's OK, you're going
to be back.' It's kind of like a teddy bear or something. It's my
The job has had its ups and downs for Deal, who was a computer programmer
before joining the Breeders. She was recently busted for heroin
possession and spent time in rehab but still says music is the easiest
job around --and anybody who says it's not is lying. And if it all just
gets too dull, Deal figures she'll just check out profession No. 3.
"Yeah, I'm planning on being a neurosurgeon."
issue of the
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:31:56 +0000
how do I get out?
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:58:39 -0800
Fortunately, Karin Oliver had recovered from her reported laryngitis.
(Earlier in the morning, Warn appeared on KCRW and performed three songs
solo, including The World Is Not My Home...sorry, but we all like Karin's
voice better don't we?). Although they had to perform in the claustrophobic
downstairs part of Luna Park, they still managed to put on a great show. I
think this is the "we're not an ethereal band" tour...Warn even belted out
a smokin' version of "Misirlou" (aka the Pulp Fiction theme song)! Those
not expecting rock 'n' roll HNIA must have been very disappointed. Not me!
Anyone care to report on their No Life appearance?
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:40:52 -0700
At 10:48 AM 9/6/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Opening band #2: Imperial Teen. OK, this is much better. For one
>thing, they seemed to be pretty excited about opening for Lush.
>Two chicks, two guys. All of whom shared singing/instrument
>responsibilities pretty evenly (drummer switched out with the
>guitarist, all four sang lead at some point, etc.) They had some
>rather catchy, poppy, thrashy songs, ala Scheer or even Heavenly.
>I was impressed. Can anybody suggest a starting album by this
They're from San Francisco, and have one album out called Seasick. The
drummer used to be in Sister Double Happiness, and before that the Dicks.
One of the male members was in Faith No More.
It looks like the MTV/"alternative"radio/record industry love fest is
gearing up to shove them down the throats of the youth of America, in which
case in 6 months most of us will be sorry we ever heard of them.
Having said that, the music *is* pretty sweet (I just hope I don't have to
hear it every time I turn around), and there's a cute dolphin on the cover.
"I HATE it when people tell me to smile!"
(I think I've finally found a sig, bless you Emma)
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:26:13 -0500
i'm new again