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Subject: RHP in NYC
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:31:03 EST
From: Handsome Devil ([email protected])
Subject: Singles for sale!!!
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:19:50 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: DCD t-shirt and merchandising...
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:58:17 +0200
From: lbo ([email protected])
Subject: TMC & CT boxsets
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:47:13 -0500
From: o-o-o ([email protected])
Subject: Re: i have the moon, was Re: Sunny Sunday smile (MBV)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 03:28:15 -0500
From: Albert ([email protected])
Subject: Sunny Sunday(Sundae) smile(MBV)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 03:33:27 -0500
From: Albert ([email protected])
Subject: RHP chat Fri.
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:16:46 -0700
From: Paul ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Mas DCD in Mexico
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:03:09 +0200
From: lbo ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD in Mexico
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:56:16 -0400
From: suffocating eyes and fast hellos ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 8 Time
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:29:32 GMT
From: Paul Spirito ([email protected])
Subject: BK commercial/Cardigans
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 06:30:56 -0400
From: suffocating eyes and fast hellos ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD in Mexico
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:00:42 +0200
From: snailhead ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Mas DCD in Mexico
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 07:35:51 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Mas DCD in Mexico
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 07:19:14 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Mas DCD in Mexico
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:01:34 CET
From: "Mesmerised. Break the spell of silence." ([email protected])
Subject: Mr Picky strikes again (English=Newspeak?)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:44:41 +0100
From: Chris Limb ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Curve
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:24:04 +0100
From: "'H'y" ([email protected])
Subject: Pixies are the Best
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:58:14 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: his name is crap
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:09:32 -0400
From: "[spiral]" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Curve
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:41:01 -0400
From: Michael Borum ([email protected])
Subject: Commercials...
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:48:29 -0400
From: Michael Borum ([email protected])
Subject: Swindler's Lisp
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:23:03 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" ([email protected])
Subject: HNIA in San Diego
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 07:56:58 -0800
From: Enrique Jimenez ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Worst 4AD commercial ever
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:02:32 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin ([email protected])
Subject: What would you ask Mark?
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:22:45 -0800
From: Enrique Jimenez ([email protected])
Subject: DIRTY THREE TOUR DATES
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:33:30 -0400
From: liles melissa m ([email protected])
Subject: The Paladins 'Let's Buzz'
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:55:00 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis ([email protected])
Subject: mailto:[email protected]
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:20:34 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: DCD at Brazil
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:29:48 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht ([email protected])
Subject: Of DCD, translations and traductions
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:52:11 EDT
From: Kika Villagra ([email protected])
Subject: Re: LEAVING 4AD LIST
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:38:54 -0700
From: shar everett ([email protected])
Subject: all virgos are madd video (trade or sell)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:14:38 -0700
From: Jack Huynh ([email protected])
Subject: Love Spirals Downwards?
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:24:43 -0400
From: Craig Gordon ([email protected])
Subject: Re: BK commercial/Cardigans
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:00:31 -0700
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Re: mailto:[email protected]
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:04:04 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Curve
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:32:25 -0500
From: Lebron ([email protected])
Subject: How do you spell 4AD?
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:51:59 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee ([email protected])
Subject: Re: What would you ask Mark?
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 00:30:19 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis ([email protected])
Subject: Re: RHP in NYC
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:43:56 EDT
From: Library Girl ([email protected])
Subject: my bloody valentine interviewed
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:38:28 -0400
From: Lush Muse ([email protected])
Subject: Ear/Rational has Curve
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:34:43 -0700
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DIRTY THREE TOUR DATES
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb ([email protected])
Subject: Re: HNIA in San Diego
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:06:37 EDT
From: "C.K. Coney" ([email protected])
Subject: curve
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:46:07 -0400
From: Christina Johnson ([email protected])
Subject: Re: How do you spell 4AD?
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:39:02 -0800
From: the mystery parade ([email protected])

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:31:03 EST
From: Handsome Devil ([email protected])
Subject: RHP in NYC


Who will be going to the Mercury Lounge this saturday to catch RHP?  they
will
        be playing at 9, it seems.

JHR

"Connais-tu, comme moi, la douleur savoureuse,
Et de toi fais-tu dire: 'Oh! l'homme singulier!'
- J'allais mourir.  C'etait dans mon ame amoureuse,
Desir mele d'horreur, un mal particulier"
Le Reve D'Un Curiex (Charles Baudelaire)

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:19:50 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Singles for sale!!!


Hello fellow 4AD lovers!
My partner and I are selling the following items by Modern English & The
Cocteau Twins.
If you find anything that interests you, please email us at
  
We also have an extensive web-site, with many more bands and their music for
sale
  
Hope you find something good!
And please feel free to email us with any other concerns/questions you might
have.

COCTEAU TWINS
LULLABIES 12" (BAD213) -- $8.00
  w/ "Feather-Oar-Blades", "Alas Dies Laughing" & "It's All But An
  Ark Lark"
PEPPERMINT PIG 12" (BAD303) -- $8.00
  12" Version b/w "Laugh Lines" & "Hazel"
SUNBURST AND SLOWBLIND 12" (BAD314) -- $8.00
  w/ "Sugar Hiccup", "From The Flagstones", "Hitherto" & "Because
  Of Whirl-Jack"
THE SPANGLE MAKER 12" (BAD405) -- $8.00
  w/ "Pearly Dewdrops' Drops (12" version)" & "Pepper-Tree"
AIKEA-GUINEA 12" (BAD501) -- $8.00
  w/ "Kookaburra", "Quisquose" & "Rococo"
TINY DYNAMITE 12" (BAD510) -- $8.00
  w/ "Pink Orange Red", "Ribbed And Veined", "Plain Tiger" &
  "Sultitan Itan"
ECHOES IN A SHALLOW BAY 12" (BAD511) -- $8.00
  w/ "Great Spangled Fritillary", "Melonella", "Pale Clouded
  White" & "Eggs And Their Shells"
LOVE'S EASY TEARS 12" (BAD610) -- $8.00
  b/w "Those Eyes, That Mouth" & "Sigh's Smell Of Farewell"
ICEBLINK LUCK 12" (BAD0011) -- $8.00
  b/w "Mizake The Mizan" & "Watchlar"
BLUEBEARD 12" Gatefold (CTX2) -- $8.00
  b/w "Three Swept" & "Ice-pulse"
TWINLIGHTS 7" doublepack (CT3) -- $8.00
  w/ "Rilkean Heart", "Golden-Vein", "Pink Orange Red" & "Half-
  Gifts"

MODERN ENGLISH:
GATHERING DUST 7" (AD15) --$12
  b/w "Tranquility Of A Summer Moment"
SMILES AND LAUGHTER 7" (AD110) --$10
  b/w "Mesh And Lace"
GATHERING DUST 12" EP (BAD306) -- $8
  w/ "Gathering Dust", "Mesh And Lace", "Smiles And Laughter",
  "Swans On Glass" & "Home"


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:58:17 +0200
From: lbo ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD t-shirt and merchandising...


At 12:50 04/09/96 -0400, you wrote:

>Sorry to inform you that DCD does not sell much merchandise.  The only thing

do you know anyway if there is an address where I can buy his things by mail?

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:47:13 -0500
From: o-o-o ([email protected])
Subject: TMC & CT boxsets


Greetings.
Occasionally folks query this list for info regarding the purchase of
the This Mortal Coil and Cocteau Twins box sets.  I just wanted to say
that I see both of these for retail sale quite frequently here in the
midwest.  If anyone would like my assistance in acquiring either of the
aforementioned releases, I would be glad to help (for a small
commission, of course.  I have my own habit to support).  Reply
privately if interested, please. References available upon request
(seriously).
--gary ([email protected])


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 03:28:15 -0500
From: Albert ([email protected])
Subject: Re: i have the moon, was Re: Sunny Sunday smile (MBV)


IS it Sunny Sundae Smile or Sunny Sunday Smile ???


On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, mark&sarah wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, the mystery parade wrote:
>
> > >who did the original version of I have
> > >the moon that Lush did? What a pretty song!
> >
> > The Magnetic Fields?
> >
>
>
> yes, from the charm of the highway strip, the magnetic fields "country"
> album.  a pathologically addictive album, be forewarned.  i still listen
> to "2 characters in search of a country song" at least twice a week.
> (some of you will know what i mean!).
>
>
> take care,
> mark
>

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 03:33:27 -0500
From: Albert ([email protected])
Subject: Sunny Sunday(Sundae) smile(MBV)


IS it Sunny Sundae Smile or Sunny Sunday Smile ???


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:16:46 -0700
From: Paul ([email protected])
Subject: RHP chat Fri.


As someone alluded to here recently, Mark Kozelek will appear on Firefly's
weird html based chat thing Friday 9/6/96 2:00 PM  New York Time (eastern).


Can someone explain to me how it is that while RHP are playing in New York
8/7, Dart (which includes Anthony from RHP and Rick Stone who is
accompanying RHP on tour) are scheduled to open for HNIA the same night in
San Francisco?

No comprende!!!

-Pablo en espanol


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:03:09 +0200
From: lbo ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Mas DCD in Mexico


At 16:38 04/09/96 -0600, you wrote:

[Lisa Gerrard says]

>english is the worst language that exist,
>because is very difficult to say the truth in english. The way the
>structure of  this language is made takes you away from the truth. But I

>Any comments?

mmmh... in Italy a lot of people think that italian (of which spanish is a
close cousin - usually we can talk each other) is a structurally ambiguous
language, while instead english is a lot more precise, analitical and quick.
after all is the official language for informatic.  maybe what LG refer to
is the attitude of some anglosaxon people to keep with themselves some of
their meanings for politeness or to be not obtrusive toward others?

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:56:16 -0400
From: suffocating eyes and fast hellos ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD in Mexico


[email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, Luis Fernando Castro Karg wrote:
>
>> Fui al concierto en Leon y fue
>> Maravillosos....excelso.......magico......indescriprtible!!!!!!!
>> No creo volver a ver algo de esa magnitud en el resto de mi vidad.
>> Lifer....
>>
>
>please don't use spanish in this mailinglist.
>most of us don't understand it.
>
>   Guy

Who says that message was meant for you, Belgische luldebehanger?



>Om man vil talar  en annorlunde sprak, far man. Jag talar engelska, svenska,
>afrikaanska en franska. Men om det finns ett sprak att jag inte kan talar,
jag slanger
>det i skrapet. Sant ar livet. QED.

Heja, en svensktalande! 'n Suid-Afrikaan die Sweeds kan spreek?

>Chris (who can swear in Spanish, German and Finnish if he has to)

Hijo de puta! Scheisskopf! Suksi vituun!


Larry,  whom very little escapes

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:29:32 GMT
From: Paul Spirito ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 8 Time


On Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:27:26 -0700, Jeff Keibel 

>7. An inexplicable link to a transcript of my dream about Audrey from
>scheer...  http://bedroom.bianca.com/shack/bedroom/dreams/96/08/13.html

Something everyone should read. It's an entertaining thirty seconds.


>Late addition:  "Songs From A Blue Guitar" from RED HOUSE PAINTERS will
>actually get a Canadian domestic release from the folks at Island via
>PolyGram on Sept. 25th.  Hooo-ha!

I apologize if this has been discussed before, I've been away for a
couple of months. Is the title an allusion to Wallace Stevens' "The
Man With The Blue Guitar"? I'm probably only thinking so because it's
my favorite poem, but I'm curious enough to ask.


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 06:30:56 -0400
From: suffocating eyes and fast hellos ([email protected])
Subject: BK commercial/Cardigans


>it was unbelieveable. I just saw a Burger King commercial to Modern
>English's I melt with you. It was just hideous. at the "melt" part,
>they showed huge pictures of melting cheese and of course gave the impression
>that if only so&so could, he'd stop the world to relax with a cheeseburger.

The song was cheese to begin with, so what do you expect?


>How different/similar is Emmerdale to Life?

Aren't some of the tracks on Life re-recorded from Emmerdale?

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:00:42 +0200
From: snailhead ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD in Mexico


On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, suffocating eyes and fast hellos wrote:

>
> Who says that message was meant for you, Belgische luldebehanger?
>
a message in a mailinglist is meant for everybody on that list,
otherwise -----> private E-mail.



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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 07:35:51 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Mas DCD in Mexico


On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, lbo wrote:

> mmmh... in Italy a lot of people think that italian (of which spanish is a
> close cousin - usually we can talk each other) is a structurally ambiguous
> language, while instead english is a lot more precise, analitical and quick.
> after all is the official language for informatic.  maybe what LG refer to
> is the attitude of some anglosaxon people to keep with themselves some of
> their meanings for politeness or to be not obtrusive toward others?
>
        perhaps it is the 'quickness' of english that betrays its
        essence. in my experience, the things most important to
        me are difficult to express quickly in english (spirituality,
        love, music, art in general) while it is effortless to
        order a hamburger or buy microsoft stock over the phone in
        english.

        and in terms of english being an anylitical language,
        it seems to me a sorry sort of analysis that english
        is so suited to. linear analysis and the self-fufilling
        prophesy which we call the 'scientific method'.

        this is why poetry in english is so often so terrible,
        and also why when it is done well, it is so pleasing.
        a tricky language indeed.

        dan k

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 07:19:14 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Mas DCD in Mexico


On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, PATINO MORELL MARCO A quoted lisa gerrard:

>   ...I understood the meaning of that when I lived in Spain. I had many
> problems while I was learning spanish because the words penetrated
> directly into my musical voice. And I was very worried because of that.
> For me, the oral language its no other thing that the practical way to
> communicate.And on the other side, when we sing, we are in the main part
>  of our spirit. This is spiritual, no practical. So I had to stop
> talking in spanish.

        practical language(s) arent able to convey the spirit
        as well as private, spiritual language(s) for lisa.
        brendan's lyrics, however, to me are often packed with
        spirituality. the song 'spirit,' for example.
        one of the priceless aspects of a dcd record is that
        the verbal and the non-verbal come together, intermix
        with eachother and combined are able to 'make a road
        for the spirit to pass over'.  the song 'rakim' for me
        displays this synergy perfectly and with much grace:
        lisa singing sounds and then brendan singing words.


        But english is the worst language that exist,
> because is very difficult to say the truth in english. The way the
> structure of  this language is made takes you away from the truth. But I
> feel, when i found the center of my voice, my real center, it will be
> imposible for me to do it in spanish. We cant make the language a
> soup of letters...
>

        i forget where, but i've read a description of the english
        language as the 'chattel of kapitalism': a language tailor-
        made for unequal exchange.  'this language takes you away
        from the truth' because it is used more for advertising,
        swindling, and political doubletalk than for conveying
        'truth', or even discussing 'truth'.  Orwell prophesied
        a society where words were divorced from their meanings.
        'the ministry of love' in his novel is actually the
        ministry of war, etc...  in the USA we have a 'justice
        department'....


        compelled into jibberish by the ever fascinating ms. gerrard,
        dan k

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:01:34 CET
From: "Mesmerised. Break the spell of silence." ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Mas DCD in Mexico


on english:

i have spent a lot of time trying to learn what the difference between
myself-speaking-polish (my native language) and myself-speaking-english was.
one thing i have discovered quite recently is that it is much easier
for me to speak about emotions in english. my english friends say they
find it difficult but that may be because they have been witnesses to
a lot of language abuse. i have the same in polish - some things seem really
unspeakable.

personally i disagree with lisa. english is as far from the truth as any other
language. to convey a spiritual meaning one has to provide much wider a range
of signs than verbal ones solely. music is certainly a better way.

on the other side, i must say i find many DCD songs very narrative. "towards
the within" for example tells a story to me and "sanvean" seems to fulfill
its subject entirely, so that adding any kind of lyric to it would be useless.
the meaning is subjective to me, certainly, but are you really sure you
always understand the stories you are told by people?

adam olszewski


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:44:41 +0100
From: Chris Limb ([email protected])
Subject: Mr Picky strikes again (English=Newspeak?)


>        ...  Orwell prophesied
>        a society where words were divorced from their meanings.
>        'the ministry of love' in his novel is actually the
>        ministry of war, etc...

The Ministry of Peace was actually the ministry of war, The Ministry of Love bei
g
the terrifying place where Winston Smith was tortured.  The Ministry of Truth,
meanwhile, was the place where all the state's lies were cooked up...

But to get back to the subject, perhaps one reason that English is open to all t
e
criticism it has been receiving on this list (and and is guilty as charged!) is 
ecause
it is so widely spoken by so many people; overuse something, spread it far too
thinly then of course it is going to perform poorly at times; a band playing 200
gigs
in a year will *probably* play a few more crap gigs than a far less talented ban

playing 20 times in the same year, perhaps?  Just a thought.

That's enough off-topic rambling for me, anyway

__________________________________________________________________
"But I am not human.  And neither are you. And it is
 not our place to judge them.  I wonder why you do..."
__________________________________________________________________


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:24:04 +0100
From: "'H'y" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Curve


Just listened to the new single, 3 tracks, Mixed by Alan Moulder.
Seems slightly better than their egg period(cuckoo).
Its on Toni's Fatlip recording (LIPCD001).
The sleeve is a couple of shots from your typical
'cor-blimey guv' greasey spoon cafe.
As they're not Garbage they won't get played on the radio.
Who cares.

'H'


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:58:14 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel ([email protected])
Subject: Pixies are the Best


Just curious if anyone was willing to translate the three page article
about the Pixies in the August/September issue of the French mag "Best".
There's lots of great pics as well as a mini Pixies history which seems
like it was prepared with the idea of that Pixies retrospective coming
out at around the same time as the magazine...

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
[email protected]


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:09:32 -0400
From: "[spiral]" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: his name is crap


> From: [email protected](Samples)
> Newsgroups: alt.music.4ad
> Subject: HIS NAME IS CRAP
> Date: 1 Sep 1996 18:16:01 GMT

> years, including most 4ad bands.  I have been dissappointed by plenty
> of concerts, but last night I saw the worst concert I have ever seen.

it pained me to read this... simply because of 2 things.
1. i believe it.
2. when i saw his name is alive 2 years ago sunday april 17,
i was blow away and amazed that such a small group of musicians
could play with such passion and beauty.  as a four piece (matt smith
on 2nd gui), they were wonderful... i hope for everyone else
that looks forward to seeing them, or drives hundreds of miles,
or sacrafices some other important event in their life, that
you dont get screwd over by hnia... they really can
play as a band, ive seen it done twice
before, but it sounds like a bit too late for most other people..
im really sorry...

my suggestion... buy hnia live in mexico for $5 from time stereo..
sew two buttons on your socks, stand them up on a spinning turntable
and put on hnia live in mexico... it sounds like that would be
a better deal.

spiral

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:41:01 -0400
From: Michael Borum ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Curve


Too bad about the artwork.  I liked the style they had been using...

Alan Moulder is also co-producing and engineering the forthcoming album.

The Garbage situation is one reason I'm so ecstatic about Curve's reunion.
I recall thinking to myself, upon first hearing Garbage's "Stupid Girl", "Oh
god...what a Curve ripoff.  Too bad Curve aren't around to show them who's
boss of THAT..."  Well, now they're around again.  And I wonder exactly how
it will be handled...

Back in the "good ol' days" of MTVs 120 Minutes when Dave Kendall actually
made an effort to expand the narrow scope of corporate-driven American
so-called alternative music, a band like Curve got some attention (and
interviews and stuff, too).  I actually wouldn't be surprised if it were
overlooked, but a part of me wants Curve to really play the game a little
and make their point, ya know?  Integrity and obscurity don't have to be so
interdependent.  If the alternative mainstream (now there's an oxymoron) is
suddenly into the sounds offered by Garbage, Curve would (and do) blow them
away like a cheap screen in a hurricane.

"Pardon us Mr. Vig, but we're on a Mission From God."

Mike
[email protected]


At 02:24 PM 9/5/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Just listened to the new single, 3 tracks, Mixed by Alan Moulder.
>Seems slightly better than their egg period(cuckoo).
>Its on Toni's Fatlip recording (LIPCD001).
>The sleeve is a couple of shots from your typical
>'cor-blimey guv' greasey spoon cafe.
>As they're not Garbage they won't get played on the radio.
>Who cares.
>
>'H'
>
>

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:48:29 -0400
From: Michael Borum ([email protected])
Subject: Commercials...


It doesn't stop there!  Last night I witnessed yet ANOTHER commercial
featuring a beloved band and song...this time it wasn't a 4AD-er, though.
There's some hair color commercial with St. Etienne's "Mario's Cafe" playing
in the background.  I was stunned.  It's just so WEIRD to hear that.

So what's the tally at this point?

Volkswagen  --  Lush "Sweetness & Light"
Burger King  --  Modern English "Melt With You"
Santa Fe Cologne (is that what it was called?) -- This Mortal Coil "Fond
Affections"
Fruitopia  -- Cocteau Twins, Kate Bush  (although these were originals)
Random Hair Coloring Stuff -- St. Etienne "Mario's Cafe"
Microsoft -- Chemical Brothers  (more than one track off "Exit Planet Dust")

I think this is a combination of two phenomena:  The people who typically
listen to this music are now in the target marketing range of 18-35, and
those same people (mainly the twentysomethings like moi) are filling up the
multimedia/marketing/advertising jobs and are coloring the media with their
own tastes.

What can I say?  It's a slow day at the office...

Mike
[email protected]

At 08:42 PM 9/4/96 -0500, you wrote:
>it was unbelieveable. I just saw a Burger King commercial to Modern
>English's I melt with you. It was just hideous. at the "melt" part,
>they showed huge pictures of melting cheese and of course gave the impression
>that if only so&so could, he'd stop the world to relax with a cheeseburger.
>He's seen the changes in Burger King's quality and, know what? They're
>getting better. Mmmmmm. MMMMMM. Mmmmmmm. Mm-Mm-mm-M. Awful.
>
>The truly sad part is that it sounded like the actual band and not someone
>else covering their song. ugh.
>
>lisarooina
>"gotta wear an extra layer"
>
>

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:23:03 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" ([email protected])
Subject: Swindler's Lisp


Dan K. wrote:

>
>        i forget where, but i've read a description of the english
>        language as the 'chattel of kapitalism': a language tailor-
>        made for unequal exchange.  'this language takes you away
>        from the truth' because it is used more for advertising,
>        swindling, and political doubletalk than for conveying
>        'truth', or even discussing 'truth'.

I would agree with this statement 100%. During almost 3 months of travel in
Europe & northern Africa some years back, I spoke little more than my native
English & broken/bad Spanish and French. Well, no problem, mon! Because
vendors knew just enough English to do business with me despite my language
deficiencies. And some of the business was good, but sometimes there was an
attempt to rip me off or charge ridiculously inflated prices. So, yes,
English has proven to be an effective swindling tool, at least in my life,
yes, indeed!

Carol

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 07:56:58 -0800
From: Enrique Jimenez ([email protected])
Subject: HNIA in San Diego


     HNIA played yesterday at the Casbah. What can I say?, it was a great
     show. It seems that Karin's laryngitis is wearing off.  They are
     playing a lot of songs from the new album.

     Warn is singing the song about Jonah and the Whale, while Trey puts on
     a cardboard box whale shaped costume and dances around the stage.

     They are selling "live" tapes of shows from previous night concerts.
     Warren tapes the show during the performance and then dubs like three
     copies and sells them for five bucks each the next day.  Buy the one
     from last night, it was a very good concert.  They are also selling a
     lot of goodies, like the ESP Summer remix album, the live in Mexico
     tape and Velour100 tapes.

     Be sure also to buy those incense sticks that smell like butter!!!

     bye,

     enrique


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:02:32 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Worst 4AD commercial ever


HOW can i get removed from this list? ( PLEase dont tell me to go look up the
4ad question thing..) I need a quick answer!! PLEASE HELP
RoB

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:22:45 -0800
From: Enrique Jimenez ([email protected])
Subject: What would you ask Mark?


     I am conducting an interview with Mark Kozelek, the chief painter
     himself, on Friday. What would you like me to ask him?

     Please email me privately at:

     [email protected]

     thanks

     BTW, you can send questions in spanish or english.

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:33:30 -0400
From: liles melissa m ([email protected])
Subject: DIRTY THREE TOUR DATES


D3 are "this listy" in that they are supported rather
enthusiastically by Nick Cave (formerely on 4AD)...At any rate,
I think its great stuff-Go see 'em!

>> Dirty Three Tour Dates
>>
>> DIRTY THREE / FALL 1996
>>
>> DATE            CITY                    VENUE                   STATUS
>>
>> FRI 9/6         TORONTO, ON             The Rivoli              confirmed
>> SAT 9/7         MONTREAL, QC            The Cabaret             confirmed
>> SUN 9/8         CAMBRIDGE, MA           Middle East             confirmed
>> MON 9/9         day off
>> TUE 9/10        PROVIDENCE, RI          Met Cafe                confirmed
>> WED 9/11        HOBOKEN, NJ             Maxwell's               tentative
>> THU 9/12        NEW YORK, NY            Irving Plaza            confirmed*
>> FRI 9/13        PHILADELPHIA, PA        Nick's                  confirmed*
>> SAT 9/14        WASHINGTON, DC          9:30 Club               confirmed*
>> SUN 9/15        CARRBORO, NC            Cat's Cradle            confirmed
>> MON 9/16        CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA     Tokyo Rose              tentative
>> TUE 9/17        day off
>> WED 9/18        BALTIMORE, MD           Fletcher's              tentative
>> THU 9/19        RICHMOND, VA            Flood Zone              confirmed**
>> FRI 9/20        CHARLOTTE, NC           Grady Cole Center       confirmed**
>> SAT 9/21        ATLANTA, GA             The Point               tentative
>> SUN 9/22        day off
>> MON 9/23        NASHVILLE, TN           328 Club                confirmed**
>> TUE 9/24        MEMPHIS, TN             Omni New Daisy          confirmed**
>> WED 9/25        day off
>> THU 9/26        ST. LOUIS, MO           American Theater        confirmed**
>> FRI 9/27        KANSAS CITY, MO         Memorial Hall           confirmed**
>> SAT 9/28        TULSA, OK               Cain's Ballroom         confirmed**
>> SUN 9/29        day off
>> MON 9/30        HOUSTON, TX             Numbers                 confirmed**
>> TUE 10/1        AUSTIN, TX              Music Hall              confirmed**
>> WED 10/2        DALLAS, TX              Bronco Bowl             confirmed**
>> THU 10/3        day off
>> FRI 10/4        DENVER, CO              Ogden Theatre           confirmed**
>> SAT 10/5        SALT LAKE CITY, UT      radio show              tentative**
>> SUN 10/6        travel day
>> MON 10/7        travel day
>> TUE 10/8        LAWRENCE, KS            Bottleneck              confirmed
>> WED 10/9        IOWA CITY, IA           Gabe's Oasis            confirmed
>> THU 10/10       MINNEAPOLIS, MN         Cedar Cultural Center   confirmed
>> FRI 10/11       MADISON, WI             East End                confirmed*
>> SAT 10/12       CHICAGO, IL             Lounge Ax               confirmed

>> *in support of Man or Astro-Man?
>> **in support of Beck

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:55:00 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis ([email protected])
Subject: The Paladins 'Let's Buzz'


I bumped into this CD, but of course I didn't buy it:

THE PALADINS - 'Let's Buzz'
USA 1990 - Alligator (ALCD 4782)

Is this the same band that'll have that album 'Million Mile Club' out on 4AD
in October? Just curious.

Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:20:34 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: mailto:[email protected]


Please put me on  your list!!!!!!! Thanks, joe

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:29:48 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD at Brazil


On Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:16:51 -0200 Fabio De Martin 
>They played at Olympia (S�o Paulo) and Morro da Urca (Rio de
>Janeiro)on
>aug 21st.
>The best show that i ever seem.
>DCD is wonderfull!!!
>
>Fabio De Martin
>[email protected]
>
>Tom Weibrecht wrote:
>>
>> did you or anyone else tape this show? ill trade for some nyc shows!
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:22:22 -0600 David Ruiz
>>  writes:
>> >
>> >        DCD strikes again, this time in the biggest city of the
>> >Mexico. They played just incredible. Lisa worn  a blue dress and a
>> >great
>> >voice. She did what she wants with us, and conquered our minds with
>> >her
>> >unique vocals.  Brendan Perry was just fab, singing in a way I will
>> >never
>> >forget.
>> >
>> >        The concert, in few words, was wonderful... by the way I
>have
>> >a
>> >question. Could somebody tell me an average of the people that used
>to
>> >go
>> >to the DCD concerts?... I will appreciate it.
>> >
>> >        Definitely, this performance was one of the best in the
>> >year...
>> >maybe just another 4ad presentation will be better. Thanks for take
>> >your
>> >time to read these lines.
>> >
>> >
>> >                                        DRT.
>> >
>kalte
>


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:52:11 EDT
From: Kika Villagra ([email protected])
Subject: Of DCD, translations and traductions


The saying mentioned a couple of days ago is actually an Italian proverb that
translators all around the world  have adopted (it might be an excuse, it might
be a cynical approach to a difficult and underrated profession...) :

 "Traduttore, traditore" (Ibo or somebody Italian please help me out with the
spelling), which means "Translator, traitor".  Cool, eh?

That said, VIVA LA POLIGLOTIA, en el cyber y en el otro espacio!

(By the way, el concierto de DCD en Mex que vi estuvo MARAVILLOSO!)

 Kika

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:38:54 -0700
From: shar everett ([email protected])
Subject: Re: LEAVING 4AD LIST


*********************
* TO LEAVE THE LIST *
*********************

Write to [email protected] and, in the text of your message (not the
subject line), write: SIGNOFF 4AD-L

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:14:38 -0700
From: Jack Huynh ([email protected])
Subject: all virgos are madd video (trade or sell)


I have a wrapped new copy of the avam video compilation that i would like
to depart with. I am accepting bids as well as trades for other 4ad related
hardware. i am especially interested in a new copy of LIAE video comp.

please email me privately.


jack at novomedia dot com


'you think people would had enough of silly love songs,
       i look around and i see it isn't so'

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:24:43 -0400
From: Craig Gordon ([email protected])
Subject: Love Spirals Downwards?


Hey...
        A few weeks ago I recall hearing that LSD will be coming out with
a new album in September... anybody have any info on the release?
        Thanks,
        Craig
        [email protected]


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:00:31 -0700
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Re: BK commercial/Cardigans


larry asks:
>Aren't some of the tracks on Life re-recorded from Emmerdale?

The US release of "Life" is actually a compilation of songs from both
albums. Since "Emmerdale" was never released in the US, I assume they did
this to cram as many hits as possible into one album.


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                                                 [email protected] [play]

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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:04:04 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: mailto:[email protected]


At 11:20 AM 9/5/96, [email protected] wrote:
>Please put me on  your list!!!!!!! Thanks, joe

Umm, I think the home page will instruct you how to get on to the home
page. I graduated from SFSU. I graduated in Economics. What are you
studying?

Fred


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:32:25 -0500
From: Lebron ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Curve


>The Garbage situation is one reason I'm so ecstatic about Curve's reunion.
>I recall thinking to myself, upon first hearing Garbage's "Stupid Girl",=
 "Oh
>god...what a Curve ripoff.  Too bad Curve aren't around to show them who's
>boss of THAT..."  Well, now they're around again.  And I wonder exactly how
>it will be handled...

Not only you Mike, but I also thought the same the first time I heard
Garbage. In fact, after buying their album, I had an irresistble urge to
listen to Curve=B4s old stuff (Doppleganger & Pubic Fruit). Immediately, I
said 'Garbage is Curve in a lighter version... a pop one'.=20
Also, when I went to Orlando, i stopped at Houston=B4s airport and picked up=
 Q
magazine (or any other of those brit mags) and I read an interview with Tony
Halliday (The article was called 'Were are they now?') and Tony herself said
that Garbage IS Curve... so enough said.

A true Curve fan,
Pepe
*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:51:59 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee ([email protected])
Subject: How do you spell 4AD?


I know this is useless information but...

Look what the 'Spellswell Plus' spellings checker did to these 4AD artists:

Bauer
Showy
Remade
Cupola
Dif Juxtapositions
Renegade Halitosis, David Jay
Cocos Twins
Colossus
Xmas Deutschland
The Wolfed Press
Clan Of Xylophonists
Richelieu
Voile Bulgar
Budded/Raymond/Gutenberg's/Fraser
AR Kanaka's
Marrowy
Frazzle Chorus
Pieties Noosing
Heidelberg's Berry
Krises Herself
Lisbon Germanizing
Betting Served
Spoonful Hybrid
Ken Smith
Scheduling
Lisbon Gerrymander
Tarn
Moji 3
Gush


Should we rename them?

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 00:30:19 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis ([email protected])
Subject: Re: What would you ask Mark?


>     I am conducting an interview with Mark Kozelek, the chief painter
>     himself, on Friday. What would you like me to ask him?

Please ask him why he included those PATHETIC guitar solos on 'Songs For A
Blue Guitar', an otherwise very good album. Those solos just show how
horrible rock music can be (or simply is??).

Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:43:56 EDT
From: Library Girl ([email protected])
Subject: Re: RHP in NYC


> Who will be going to the Mercury Lounge this saturday to catch RHP?  they
> will
>         be playing at 9, it seems.
>
> JHR
>


AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!  um, well, im gonna try
to go, but since i didnt know about the show, and i dont get off work until
8, i doubt ill make it.  please dont post anything about it if its good.
it'll hurt too much.


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:38:28 -0400
From: Lush Muse ([email protected])
Subject: my bloody valentine interviewed


hey!

there is a recent radio interview with kevin shields of my bloody valentine
(if you print it out, it's about 8 pages) transcribed and done by ned raggett
of uc irvine's station, kuci 88.9 fm...it was an on air interview about 45
minutes long, talking about everything from the offbeat compilation, the
whore compilation, new stuff, etc...

i don't have the url in my head right now but you can look up kuci's home
page thru the ultimate band list or thru yahoo, etc...

enjoy!
pete

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:34:43 -0700
From: Jens Alfke ([email protected])
Subject: Ear/Rational has Curve


EAR/Rational music has the new Curve single:


Curve - Pink Girl with the Blues CDS                    import
$8.75 #


Visit http://www.xmission.com/~ear/ for the full catalog (the Curve
single's in the Update section) and ordering instructions.
For some reason they don't carry Scala, though. Isn't Dave stocking Too
Pure?

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                                                 [email protected] [play]

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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DIRTY THREE TOUR DATES


The Dirty Three are a great band and live, in my opinion, are
sensational!! Get along and check them out.

As yet, I don't believe they've incorporated a puppet show in their
performance but watching Warren Ellis feeding back his violin and
stuffing it into the kick drum kind of makes up for it, I think.
==========================
Cameron Webb
Medical Entomology
Westmead Hospital
WESTMEAD NSW 2145
(02) 9845 7548
[email protected]
==========================


Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:06:37 EDT
From: "C.K. Coney" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: HNIA in San Diego


On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 07:56:58 -0800 Enrique Jimenez
 writes:
>     HNIA played yesterday at the Casbah. What can I say?, it was a
>great
>     show. It seems that Karin's laryngitis is wearing off.  They are
>     playing a lot of songs from the new album.
>
>     Warn is singing the song about Jonah and the Whale, while Trey
>puts on
>     a cardboard box whale shaped costume and dances around the stage.

In Atlanta, Karin wore the whale costume & walked around the audience
with it on, pretending to "lipsynch" to the Jonah song. But maybe she's
just taking it a bit easy now, due to her cold.
>
>     They are selling "live" tapes of shows from previous night
>concerts.
>     Warren tapes the show during the performance and then dubs like
>three
>     copies and sells them for five bucks each the next day.  Buy the
>one
>     from last night, it was a very good concert.

I know, you have to be first in line for the good stuff.  I missed out by
b.s.ing with a friend of mine from The Changelings who was also in
attendance. However, I did manage to get a few of the little activity
booklets, and the Time Stereo video with the whale story & the alien
autopsy. And also incense, which I burned while watching the alien
autopsy (I don't know if they would have "smellovision", and sometimes
aliens are pretty smelly.)

  They are also
>selling a
>     lot of goodies, like the ESP Summer remix album, the live in
>Mexico
>     tape and Velour100 tapes.
>
>     Be sure also to buy those incense sticks that smell like
>butter!!!

Buttered popcorn is what I thought. Just like a movie theater on
Saturdays.

Carol

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:46:07 -0400
From: Christina Johnson ([email protected])
Subject: curve


>
>
>Oh but NO...quite the contrary.  Apparently, Toni and Alan are now married
>-- at least the press release implies that.  Alan engineered/produced all
>three tracks on the single along with Toni and Dean. All is not lost...
>
>The URL for the Curve site is: http://www.stack.urc.tue.nl/~conrad/curve/
>
>There's a stateside mirror somewhere, but I don't know it.
>
>Here's the entire PR text:
>
>>CURVE, the band who had five Top 40 hit singles and two Top 20 albums
>between 1991 and 1994, will be releasing a brand new single in September.
>Entitled "Pink Girl With The Blues", the new single will be released on CD
>and seven inch only on September 2nd on Fatlip Records distributed by Vital.
>Other new recordings to appear on the single are "Recovery" and "Black
>Delilah".
>
>>At the end of 1993, and after the release of Curve's second LP, "Cuckoo",
>Toni and Dean decided to take a sabbatical away from the intensity of the
>music business. Dean produced music for a couple of films which were
>noticeably Curve-esque when they were shown on TV, gradually finding himself
>amongst the mores of techno, ambient and jungle thats when he wasn't
>producing hardcore white noise. Toni sang on the Leftfield hit "Original",
>got married and rehearsed a band ready for what she wanted - a "toilet tour"
>by all accounts. The couple's desire to work together again has been
>motivated by the desire to resume "unfinished business" and there are plans
>for a third allbum and full UK tour in 1997.
>
>>"Pink Girl With The Blue" , "Recovery" and "Black Delilah" are the first
>fruits of a reunion that a lot of people have been waiting for for some time
>now. "Pink Girl With The Blue" is classic Curve with a twist (and, hey, good
>enough to drink), trademark swirly backbeat coupled with a celebratory
>high-octane-fuelled wall-of-noise verse and chorus that'll knock you for
>six. All three tracks have been produced by Dean and Toni and mixed by Alan
>Moulder in Toni's basement (a la "Blindfold" and all the best Curve stuff) -
>which is currently the place all three are holed up producing a new Curve LP
>due for release in 1997.
>
>>CURVE were one of the first "indie" bands to work within the dance sector,
>employing remixes by artists as diverse as The Aphex Twin, The Future Sound
>Of London and the Drum CLub - as well as Trent Reznor from Nine Inch Nails -
>in the early '90s.
>
>>CURVE release "Pink Girl With The Blues" on Fatlip Records on September 2nd.
>
>
>Mike
>[email protected]
>
>------------------------------


--
-------------------------
    Christina Johnson
[email protected]
-------------------------

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 18:39:02 -0800
From: the mystery parade ([email protected])
Subject: Re: How do you spell 4AD?


>I know this is useless information but...
>
>Look what the 'Spellswell Plus' spellings checker did to these 4AD artists:
>
>Bauer
>Showy
>Remade
>Cupola
>Dif Juxtapositions
>Renegade Halitosis, David Jay
>Cocos Twins
>Colossus
>Xmas Deutschland
>The Wolfed Press
>Clan Of Xylophonists
>Richelieu
>Voile Bulgar
>Budded/Raymond/Gutenberg's/Fraser
>AR Kanaka's
>Marrowy
>Frazzle Chorus
>Pieties Noosing
>Heidelberg's Berry
>Krises Herself
>Lisbon Germanizing
>Betting Served
>Spoonful Hybrid
>Ken Smith
>Scheduling
>Lisbon Gerrymander
>Tarn
>Moji 3
>Gush
>
>
>Should we rename them?

This has got to be the post of the year! I'm still laughing my arse off!
Clan Of Xylophonists, now THAT would be a band to sign...and Renegade
Halitosis, too!

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