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Subject: She spilling jewels and collarbones...
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:43:54 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: hnia live - any good?
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:04:38 -0600
From: "16 oz. for the 10 oz. price" (joanna@HARDCORPS.ORG)
Subject: RHP seattle
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:15:33 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: quis is making me queazy
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:57:44 +0000
From: "~ quis" (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: RHP cancelled Manchester show
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:00:42 +0100
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Availability of RHP's 'Shock Me' single?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:57:41 +0000
From: "~ quis" (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: RHP cancelled Manchester show
Date: 28/08/96 12:24
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: cancelled Manchester show and the like
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:11:30 +0000
From: Marsha the Mono-cell (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: hnia live - any good?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:02:25 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Review: The Paradise Motel
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:21:42 -0400
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Acquiring E.S.P./atlanta record shops
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:46:15 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: E-Mail Address for HNIA?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:31:31 -0400
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: rhp or muses in LA?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:04:40 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: RHP in berkeley
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:58:24 -0700
From: phil locke (PLOCKE@US.ORACLE.COM)
Subject: Re: E-Mail Address for HNIA?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:34:59 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: 4ad mail order
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:18:39 -0400
From: MACLEOD (macleod@C813.NPT.NUWC.NAVY.MIL)
Subject: Re: hnia live - any good?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:16:47 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Availability of RHP's 'Shock Me' single?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:28:52 -0400
From: Cliff Walton (cliff@FOURAD.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: hnia live - any good?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:43:32 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: cancelled Manchester show and the like
Date: 28/08/96 15:09
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L to split
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:16:40 +0000
From: Luis Fernando Castro Karg (lifer@infored.com.mx)
Subject: Why Alanis would sound better on 4AD than Blues Traveler
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:36:38 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Paladins
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:50:22 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: CT-esque Japanese music....
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:51:09 -0500
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: cancelled Manchester show and the like
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:33:30 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: 4ad mail order
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:20:04 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: CT-esque Japanese music....
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:33:26 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP cancelled Manchester show
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:12:08 -0400
From: Cliff Walton (cliff@FOURAD.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: cancelled Manchester show and the like
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:22:14 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: 4ad mail order
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:22:09 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Lisa Germano summary
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:56:06 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:43:54 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: She spilling jewels and collarbones...


Regarding the limited "This Rimy River", Frank Brinkhuis wrote:

> What happened to the "silver foil blocked design", supposed to be on
> the blue suede of the slip case??

Ironically enough Frank, I ordered another copy of the Heidi Berry album
on vinyl and it came with a silver foil blocked design on blue suede.
This copy didn't have an inner sleeve like the first copy I ordered
though.  Perhaps 4AD can send me an inner jacket??

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com

Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:04:38 -0600
From: "16 oz. for the 10 oz. price" (joanna@HARDCORPS.ORG)
Subject: hnia live - any good?


i'm debating whether or not to go to the show tomorrow night here in
austin. how much old stuff and how much new stuff do they play? will the
experience be a valuable one? am i asking too many questions? basically,
will it be worth my money? thanks. :)
.j.
having a bout of horrendous indecision

---
   joanna@hardcorps.org         http://piglet.cc.utexas.edu/~joanna
        noiserotica.thursday.mornings.3am.5am.kvrx.91.7.austin

"I didn't intend for this to take on a political tone.
I'm just here for the drugs."
-Nancy Reagan (when asked a political question at a "Just Say No" rally)


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:15:33 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: RHP seattle


Just a quick note about last Saturday's show.  Some dude on acoustic
guitar opened, then Clodhopper (?) with a guy from American Music Club,
and Red House Painters.  RHP played for... oh, about 2 1/2 hours, if I
remember correctly.  All sorts of fun stuff... it was great.  Especially
1) the super kick ass version of Lord Kill the Pain 2) leaving on a jet
plane (a "John Denver" song) and 3) the final Michael/Summer Dress when
Mark kicked aside the mic and had the audience finish singing the song.
Somewhat stop-and-go (especially when an amp blew), but overall one of the
best shows I've ever seen.  Innnncredible.

Mike


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:57:44 +0000
From: "~ quis" (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: quis is making me queazy


At 02:07 PM 26/08/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>> ~  quis
>>
>
>ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
>someone please explain to me how to create a kill file for mailtool.
>i'm serious, i can't take it anymore.
>


oh....WHAAAAAAA!!

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:00:42 +0100
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: RHP cancelled Manchester show


For anyone who's interested, I've just found out that the Red House
Painters gig in Manchester on Sept 11th has been cancelled.

This is just typical - the 3 gigs I've wanted to see this year in
Manchester (Mark Eitzel, Mazzy Star, RHP) have all been cancelled.

What is going on? It's a bloody conspiracy!

Simon

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:57:41 +0000
From: "~ quis" (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Availability of RHP's 'Shock Me' single?


At 03:04 AM 27/08/96 +0000, you wrote:
>G'day,
>
>  I'm after a copy of RHP's 'Shock Me' CD single. I notice that it is
>available via a few US import stores. Are they just importing via the
>UK? If so, do any list members in the UK know whether this single is
>still generally available? It may be easier for me to order this from
>England rather than from the US.
>
>Underworld's 'Spikee/Dogman Go Woof' single is still available in the UK,
>that would be great.
>
>Thanks, Geoff
>

I just happen to have a spare copy of this if you're interested.....

~   quis


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:12:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: RHP cancelled Manchester show


     Simon,

     if you remember they were scheduled to play the Academy about 18
     months to 2 years ago and that gig was also cancelled. I've only seen
     them twice before, once at the 13 year itch bash (bloody awful set),
     and, then at Manchester Uni which was OUTSTANDING!!!!! The rapport
     with the crowd was fantastic.

     The cancellation has just poured more fuel on a bad year for me too -
     Scheer didn't turn up at Man Uni, then I made the journey down to
     London for the aborted DCD gig!!

     The thing that pisses me off the most is (and I know that RHP aren't
     on 4AD anymore!!) the London-centric approach to gigging that 4AD
     bands seems to have. I wouldn't have seen Tarnation or Mojave 3 at all
     if I hadn't been lucky enough to be attending a seminar in 'The Smoke'
     earlier this year!!!! It only seems to be the 'less well known'
     (outside this list) artists that stay in London!

     4AD should learn - if it wants to promote less well known artists, get
     them on the road and meet the fans! What's wrong with the North? At
     least you get a good reception and good beer up here! (I mean to say,
     if Kristen Hersh plays the Parr Hall Warrington then the North must be
     groovy and hip :) !!!!!!).

     Saying all this, I am making a special journey down to London to see
     Tortoise!!! (But they did have the courtesy to support Stereolab at
     Man Uni).

     What's the situation like for 4AD gigs in Europe??? Is it worse
     still?? The attitude to gigging in the USA seems much more healthy
     than over here, where in general it's SHIT!!

     Lets hope the Muses don't cancel!!!!

     Paul Walsh
     Paul.Walsh@Petrolite.co.uk


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: RHP cancelled Manchester show

Date: 28/08/96 12:24 For anyone who's interested, I've just found out that the Red House Painters gig in Manchester on Sept 11th has been cancelled. This is just typical - the 3 gigs I've wanted to see this year in Manchester (Mark Eitzel, Mazzy Star, RHP) have all been cancelled. What is going on? It's a bloody conspiracy! Simon

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:11:30 +0000
From: Marsha the Mono-cell (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: cancelled Manchester show and the like


>      Lets hope the Muses don't cancel!!!!
>
Please no!!!

It is getting terrible in Manchester now. Not only cancelled gigs,
but hardly anyone I want to see seems to play here anymore. I seem to
live on local bands waiting for some worthwhile name band to come.
Whats wrong with Manchester, are they all put of by its 'club
culture' identity? The worse thing is after years of avoiding me I am
being forced to go to London to see Nomeasno this saturday  (non
listy I am sure) just coz I am fed up of not seeign them. Its just
seems that promoters/bands don't want to ply here anymore - why?

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:02:25 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: hnia live - any good?

              oz. price" at Aug 27, 96 11:04:38 pm

> i'm debating whether or not to go to the show tomorrow night here in
> austin. how much old stuff and how much new stuff do they play? will the
> experience be a valuable one? am i asking too many questions? basically,
> will it be worth my money? thanks. :)
> .j.
> having a bout of horrendous indecision

Well, I caught the show last night and am glad I went.  Besides having the
great pleasure of meeting others from the list (Hi!), I rather enjoyed the
show.  The opening band (though probably not playing with HNIA at other
places) was surprisingly decent, too.  HNIA played a lot from the new
album, but definitely did some older stuff - the last song was If July (I
think that's what it's called) from Livonia, stripped down to just voice
and guitar.  And not surprisingly, little if anything from Mouth By Mouth.

And there was a whale and a menagerie of wild animals!  You've got to see
that, if not nothing else...

-greg

who says just go


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:21:42 -0400
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Review: The Paradise Motel


Dear gods, and I thought Projekt were over-the-top in their descriptions of
artists on their label... With all the hyperbole, it can't be anything BUT
disappointing!  But I s'pose I'll check it out anyway.

Is it available via import?  By that, I mean has anyone seen it from
SirenDisc or Parasol or some other mail-order outfit?

Mike
iceblink@tiac.net


At 11:52 AM 8/28/96 +1000, you wrote:
>G'day,
>
>Found this review of Australia band The Paradise Motel. Thought it might
>interest a few folk on the list (I love this band, BTW):
>
>>
>THE PARADISE MOTEL
>       Left Over Life To Kill
>       (Infectious)
>
>THE most enthralling, spacial, delicate, minimalist band to ever emerge from
>Australia, exceed expectation with a debut seven-track that in 25 chilling
>minutes swirls through a universe of mood and breathe so sparkled, so
>shadowed, so solar and spectral, it seems likely to collapse in on
>itself. Yet such is the control of The Paradise Motel that the hairline
>trigger between artistic indulgence and atmosphere is never pulled.
>Imagine the Cocteau Twins with the ambience of the Cowboy Junkies on The
>Trinity Sessions; imagine Portishead bathed in incandescent light while a
>waterfall streams fireworks deeper and moodier, brighter
>and more organic, living and gulping in existence while the chariots of
>the damned chase the song of the siren across the skies. Imagine
>keyboards rippling across a pond of sensitivity while guitars chime in
>salute to their divinity. Imagine a woman's voice so perfect it
>hangs life and death in its very cadences. Imagine lyrics that dig from the
>subconscious loops of memory, images and sensations, that trigger unbidden
>thoughts, lost times, barely remembered sentiments, lovers and losers, sex and
>hate, the single bead of perspiration on a full lip that could be a lone tear
>or a pinprick of joy. They are all The Paradise Motel. The voice belongs to
>Merida Sussex, the lyrics (mostly) to Charles Bickford and the instrumental
>interludes to Matthew Aulich. Add an aural tapestry interweaving electric
>guitars, acoustic guitar, Hammond organ, bassoon, French horn, cello,
>violin, viola, bass and drums, stare at the stars, unshackle your heart
>and journey. The Paradise Motel is open ...
>>
>
>I don't know if their stuff has been released in the US or UK yet,though...
>
>Cheers,
>Geoff
>
>

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:46:15 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Acquiring E.S.P./atlanta record shops

              Jamieson" at Aug 27, 96 09:03:05 pm

> << wuxtry records and criminal records are less than a quarter of
>  a mile apart.  >>
>
> actually its wax n fax, not wuxtry that is near criminal.. definitely go to
> wax n fax, you'll find a much better selection of used cd's, and new stuff
> too. Lotsa vinyl.

You know, I really should have noticed that too when I replied to that
message.  Oh well.  Anways, I finally made the trip to Criminal to pick up
Stars On E.S.P. (as well as the Magnetic Fields' Charm Of The Highway
Strip).  Actually, Wuxtry is pretty good for used stuff and vinyl, too -
it's just closer to Emory.

> best buy wont have most of what you are looking for
> (except the Cumberland mall store which has alot for some reason).

Hmmmm.  That's random.

> Oh, and Little 5 doesnt charge for parking if you tell the slacker attendant
> that you are shopping at the strip.  Luckily for me, i live within 2 miles of
> most of this area, so i never have a problem getting stuff.

Oh, they're just trying to stop people from parking there and hanging out
in Little 5 all afternoon?  i get it.

-greg

who enjoyed the HNIA show last night

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:31:31 -0400
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: E-Mail Address for HNIA?


Does anyone out there have an e-mail address for His Name Is Alive?  By
that, I mean does Warren have an e-mail address anywhere?  Instinct tells me
"NO", but I just wanted to be sure.

Thanks for any info,

Mike
iceblink@tiac.net


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:04:40 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: rhp or muses in LA?


sorry Matthew you missed the muses, they played Spaceland on Tuesday.

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:58:24 -0700
From: phil locke (PLOCKE@US.ORACLE.COM)
Subject: RHP in berkeley


Fred wrote:

> Where did RHP play in Berkeley.

They played at Berkeley Square on University Ave.

--phil

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:34:59 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: E-Mail Address for HNIA?


>
> Does anyone out there have an e-mail address for His Name Is Alive?  By
> that, I mean does Warren have an e-mail address anywhere?  Instinct tells me
> "NO", but I just wanted to be sure.
>


        trey, the drummer, has email.  Velour100@aol.com


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:18:39 -0400
From: MACLEOD (macleod@C813.NPT.NUWC.NAVY.MIL)
Subject: 4ad mail order


hey,
   would someone pls verify, I can't tell the jokes from the serious posts
anymore,
a.) is there a inner sleeve for Heidi Berry's lp (vinyl)
b.) is there a special edition of the Muses lp (vinyl)
c.) is it possible to mail a vinyl record without having it smashed to bits,
if you charge your customers  6 pounds 50?
   I'm becomming dis-enchanted with the mail order service, I wanted access to
some of the cooler stuff, but ended up with a shelf full of Lush cdeps, each
pair counted as a single release, sleeveless records, and exclusion from
special editions.  Pls address counter flames to 'grumpy' ...
   On a more positive note, does anyone have 'Technicolour' by Disco Inferno?
I can't get enough of this lp, at first I thought way to much guitar, now I
want more ...
Bruce

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:16:47 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: hnia live - any good?


        reading ms. coney's description of live HNIA
        has me all anxious for the september 20 show
        at alvins.  Qwestion: where exactly _is_ alvin's?

        and also, i wonder if/what hnia will be doing,
        re: special hometown goodies... an instore at
        record collector? i personally have this
        idea that HNIA should shoot a video for
        'Universal Frequencies' or 'Dub Love Letter'
        in downtown detroit, preferably performing
        in front of the giant fist (of joe louis) sculpture
        or in front of the big tire on I-94 (huge, 30 storey
        tall uniroyal tire alongside of detroit interstate)...

        i want my E.S.P.

        dan k

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:28:52 -0400
From: Cliff Walton (cliff@FOURAD.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Availability of RHP's 'Shock Me' single?


>At 03:04 AM 27/08/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>G'day,
>>
>>  I'm after a copy of RHP's 'Shock Me' CD single. I notice that it is
>>available via a few US import stores. Are they just importing via the
>>UK? If so, do any list members in the UK know whether this single is
>>still generally available? It may be easier for me to order this from
>>England rather than from the US.
>>
>>Underworld's 'Spikee/Dogman Go Woof' single is still available in the UK,
>>that would be great.
>>
>>Thanks, Geoff
>>
>
>I just happen to have a spare copy of this if you're interested.....
>
>~   quis

Also, like many other 4AD releases, it is available (at cost) via the 4AD
Mail order service.

cliff

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:43:32 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: hnia live - any good?


At 05:04 8/28/96 +0000, you wrote:
>i'm debating whether or not to go to the show tomorrow night here in
>austin. how much old stuff and how much new stuff do they play?

Well, they do mostly stuff from E.S.P., maybe 5 or so OTHER songs, and a new
song about whales with "just the guyz". Karin really carries the show
vocally... wonderful voice live, as well as on record...and you really can
decipher all the words at the live show! Unlike what some have said about
HNIA, the live show isn't really a "noise" show IMHO, but more stripped down
& raw. Very guitar-centric. A heck of a lot of fun...I was grinning &
bopping throughout (which Karin noticed, she said...hey ya'll, if you go to
a live show and sit/stand in front, and if you're enjoying yourself, why not
ACT like you're enjoying yourself. Artists really do notice when everyone's
just sitting like bumps on a log. If you feel the energy, then feed it back,
and it will come back to you twofold!)

As for the internet, Karin & I chatted about it...they apparently keep up
with this list & enjoy it, tho they think some of the opinions put forward
as "fact" are silly (like that there are two women singing on E.S.P....nope,
Karin says she's the only female vocalist on E.S.P....and by the way,  nope,
Warren is NOT an ego-maniac, according to Karin (who should know, right?).

Now, before I got my chance to chat with Karin I overheard the tail end of a
story she told another woman. Apparently, there are some fans out there that
have hassled Warren, like Warren somehow saves their wretched life with his
music, the kooky fan writes Warren tons of letters, and when Warren doesn't
answer, well, then Warren is in trouble with this fan! (This one example is
about someone in PA...hey, kooky, are you on this list? GET A LIFE and leave
your favorite artists alone! They don't owe you ANYTHING! Just a suggestion
from one HNIA fan to another...maybe Warren wouldn't seem so standoff-ish if
there weren't so many scary, crazed fans out there! Maybe he feels like he
needs to weave a bit of a protective cocoon around himself...did you ever
think of how you affect the artists you love when you're so, well, PUSHY, to
put it mildly?)

Oh, heck, I didn't mean to go into a big lecture.

>Will the experience be a valuable one? am i asking too many questions?
>basically,
>will it be worth my money? thanks. :)

Yep, definitely worth the moola, as long as you can still pay the rent & eat
during the week...hey, the show in Atlanta was only $7.00...worth twice,
even thrice, the price! And take some extra money, if you can afford it,
cause they're selling (cheap) live tapes, little cool activity books, and a
video (for only $10) with AN ACTUAL ALIEN AUTOPSY!

Hey, HNIA, come back to Atlanta and perform some alien autopsies here. I
SWEAR that most of the audience last nite were aliens...or zombies at least.

Lastly, it was great meeting Greg & Rexual from this list. Greg, keep in
touch & let me know of any cool shows (cause I'm out of town alot & might
not hear of em) ) so I can hopefully maintain my sanity in this cowtown.

Carol


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:21:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: cancelled Manchester show and the like


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: cancelled Manchester show and the like

Date: 28/08/96 15:09 > Lets hope the Muses don't cancel!!!! > Please no!!! It is getting terrible in Manchester now. Not only cancelled gigs, but hardly anyone I want to see seems to play here anymore. I seem to live on local bands waiting for some worthwhile name band to come. Whats wrong with Manchester, are they all put of by its 'club culture' identity? The worse thing is after years of avoiding me I am being forced to go to London to see Nomeasno this saturday (non listy I am sure) just coz I am fed up of not seeign them. Its just seems that promoters/bands don't want to ply here anymore - why? Richard, Join the increasing queue of the dissatisfied - Thee North used to be the best in the UK for gigs. 4AD was always London-centric but we were never short of a good night out up here in the dark industrial North. Even Liverpool had it's moments. No, I don't think anything is wrong with Manchester and it's club culture. I think the cause of the problem is with the record companies and their attitude to Independent music in the UK. 4AD (let's keep listy) has always been a label with a strange attitude to touring, I remember back in the early 1980's having to travel down to London to see Dif Juz, The Wolfgang Press etc.. The larger bands always toured e.g. (at the time on 4AD) Cocteaus. Factory was very much the same, the large bands toured the country, the smaller bands e.g. Stockholm Monsters, Life etc.. usually only played close to home. It was like they wouldn't dish out the money for a smaller band to tour until they had a large enough following...to get a large following you need to promote...the best way of promoting is to tour!! Chicken and the egg!!! I do feel like I've been unfair to Factory a bit,.. initially they did speed down the motorways in Transit vans touring all the time, it was only after Tony Wilson earned enough to buy his first Armani suit that his head vanished completely up his arse and Factory's policy changed to only promote the big cash cows!!!! COME ON 4AD...showcase your bands. Why did Shaving the Pavement only happen in the USA?? You have fans all over the world...stop fucking us around and reward us for consitently buying your releases, even the shit releases!!!! Paul Walsh Paul.Walsh@Petrolite.co.uk

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:16:40 +0000
From: Luis Fernando Castro Karg (lifer@infored.com.mx)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L to split


I want get out of this Talk .....please.
how to do It?


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:36:38 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Why Alanis would sound better on 4AD than Blues Traveler


>
> > Before you go making Alanis jokes, remember that 4AD is signing Alanis to
> > a six album deal.

This would not be much of a surprise (and it would probably be a good
idea), seeing as how 4AD has somehow thought it a good idea to sign the
 Paladins.  I know that several people probably think the Paladins are a
 great band with great sound, guitar, etc etc etc, but one listen to
 Million Mile Club, or whatever it was called, and I was sure that this
is by far THE WORST release EVER from 4AD.  12 minute live songs from some
 crappy blues-rock band should be limited to Blues Traveler or Dave
 Matthews Band.  Wow... talk about stinky.  I only suffered through this
 whole cd because I was told I would really like it.  Unfortunately, it
 was exactly the opposite.  I hated it.  Severely.

BIG OL' 'F'!

Strick9

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:50:22 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@scf-fs.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Paladins


On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Michael Borum wrote:

> At 12:22 PM 8/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >If you don't get the blues,
> >that's ok, just remeber where everything comes from.
>
> I enjoy the blues, myself, but to say everything comes from that is a little
> too general and not very accurate in the context of the music typically
> discussed on this list.

I don't think that was the intention of "just remember where everything
comes from".  I believe it was meant more to mean remember where the BLUES
comes from when you are listening to this record, as opposed to comparing
it to the gothic/ethereal/indie/punk/britpop that 4AD has released in the
past.  Examine each recording individually and without prejudice.  With
this in mind, I still can't stand the album ;)

Strick9


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:51:09 -0500
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: CT-esque Japanese music....

              "Joel Krueger" at Apr 14, 96 01:47:06 pm

This should be interesting to hear more about:

     I was talking to a fellow 4AD music-enthusiast and he mentioned a
Japanese recording artist, female, whose music resembles CT and whose
backup vocals *feature* Elizabeth Frasier herself.  Any leads?


                                                *Kendal*

        http://www.teleport.com/~obee/kendal.html

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:33:30 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: cancelled Manchester show and the like


First an apology to those who don't care shit about Manchester. Sorry.

Manchester has always been over-reliant on the student population for gig
attendance, and at the moment said students are still away (leading to the
tradtitional July/August gig drought). Even when they're here, though, it seems
that when they aren't out clubbing, they want to see shit Britpop bands and
their clones. Eitzel's show was cancelled due to low ticket sales, as I suspect
was the reason for RHP doing likewise. It's simply not cost-effective for bands
to come here to be greeted with empty halls. Even Transglobal Underground who
are pretty dance-friendly less than half-filled the Uni. Bands like Bear or
Coping Saw simply don't bother, even though it only means popping over from
Leeds. I can't really blame the bands or the record companies for the apathy of
the people here. In dance culture it's the same. Where are the Drum and bass
nights? I went to the first night of Blueprint at South - an excellent brew of
hip hop, drum and bass, funk and techno - and so did another 10 people. The
Electric Chair, arguably the most cutting edge dance night in the city still
comfortably sits in the tiny Roadhouse. Basically, people here seem to want
gormless indie rock of the Oasis/Weller school or four to the floor house that
sounded dated five years ago. To turn round one of Anthony Wilson's infamous
quotes 'Wake Up Manchester You're Dead'

PS Notice how the Muses three UK dates are in the same cities as last time.
Kristin still likes it here.


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:20:04 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4ad mail order


WHat is the mailing address or email address of the 4ad mail order service?
I really have to find ap lace to order the "500" eps from lush.


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:33:26 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: CT-esque Japanese music....


>      I was talking to a fellow 4AD music-enthusiast and he mentioned a
> Japanese recording artist, female, whose music resembles CT and whose
> backup vocals *feature* Elizabeth Frasier herself.  Any leads?

Where have you been? This is undoubtedly Faye Wong who is
Chinese (or at least from Hong Kong). Two of her CDs are
available from Dewdrops (we get them from a distributor).
For those of you who have forgotten or are new to this
list, these are the many Cocteau Twins connections:

Faye covers Bluebeard and Know Who You Are At Every Age
on the album Random Thinking (1994).

The Cocteau Twins write two songs for her called Fracture
and Brooming Happiness on the album Impatience (1996),
which is very Cocteau Twins-y overall, and I'd claim that
it's even better than Milk and Kisses in some ways.

Milk and Kisses comes out in Hong Kong with a different
version of Serpentskirt featuring a completely different
vocal track featuring Faye Wong. This version is only
available in Hong Kong/Asia.

Tranquil Eye, One of the tracks on one of the Violaine CD singles
from the Cocteaus is their own version of one of the songs
from Impatiance.

We still have some copies of both Impatience and Random Thinking
available. Email me for ordering info.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:12:08 -0400
From: Cliff Walton (cliff@FOURAD.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: RHP cancelled Manchester show


>     Simon,
>
>     if you remember they were scheduled to play the Academy about 18
>     months to 2 years ago and that gig was also cancelled. I've only seen
>     them twice before, once at the 13 year itch bash (bloody awful set),
>     and, then at Manchester Uni which was OUTSTANDING!!!!! The rapport
>     with the crowd was fantastic.
>
>     The cancellation has just poured more fuel on a bad year for me too -
>     Scheer didn't turn up at Man Uni, then I made the journey down to
>     London for the aborted DCD gig!!
>
>     The thing that pisses me off the most is (and I know that RHP aren't
>     on 4AD anymore!!) the London-centric approach to gigging that 4AD
>     bands seems to have. I wouldn't have seen Tarnation or Mojave 3 at all
>     if I hadn't been lucky enough to be attending a seminar in 'The Smoke'
>     earlier this year!!!! It only seems to be the 'less well known'
>     (outside this list) artists that stay in London!
>
>     4AD should learn - if it wants to promote less well known artists, get
>     them on the road and meet the fans! What's wrong with the North? At
>     least you get a good reception and good beer up here! (I mean to say,
>     if Kristen Hersh plays the Parr Hall Warrington then the North must be
>     groovy and hip :) !!!!!!).
>
>     Saying all this, I am making a special journey down to London to see
>     Tortoise!!! (But they did have the courtesy to support Stereolab at
>     Man Uni).
>
>     What's the situation like for 4AD gigs in Europe??? Is it worse
>     still?? The attitude to gigging in the USA seems much more healthy
>     than over here, where in general it's SHIT!!
>
>     Lets hope the Muses don't cancel!!!!
>
>     Paul Walsh
>     Paul.Walsh@Petrolite.co.uk

Sorry you're upset, but if you think about the financial implications of
bringing a band over to play you may have saved yourself an e-mail. It
doesn't make sense to bring a new band over to the UK at all, but we try to
wherever possible so people like you can see them.

Unfortunately, with limited time in their schedule and nearly all the
journalists/radio/tv in London we have to concentrate on London. When these
people deign to write about/play the bands and we see that reflect in more
regional interest we would love to have bands play outside London and do.

Until then, sorry you have to travel.

cliff walton - 4ad ltd

PS If the Muses have to cancel it will be for as uncontrollable reason like
DCD - ie an important member of the band is too ill to play.

Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:22:14 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: cancelled Manchester show and the like


>I do feel like I've been unfair to Factory a bit,.. initially they
>did speed down the motorways in Transit vans touring all the time, it
>was only after Tony Wilson earned enough to buy his first Armani suit
>that his head vanished completely up his arse

...and a few years later Factory went bankrupt.

By the way, Stockholm Monsters, Section 25, Crispy Ambulance, The Wake,
they've all visited the Continent, so the 'smaller' bands didn't only play
close to home. It was a bit of a problem though that their records were not
readily available here. Stockholm Monsters even wrote a song about it: 'How
Corrupt Is Rough Trade?'. Quite appropriately issued through Factory Benelux
(and readily available in the UK).

Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 01:22:09 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: 4ad mail order


>would someone pls verify, I can't tell the jokes from the serious posts
>anymore,
>a.) is there a inner sleeve for Heidi Berry's lp (vinyl)

Yes there is.

>b.) is there a special edition of the Muses lp (vinyl)

No there isn't.

>c.) is it possible to mail a vinyl record without having it smashed to bits,
>if you charge your customers  6 pounds 50?  I'm becomming dis-enchanted
with the mail order service,

I think 4AD mailorder packaging is okay. Unlike most UK mailorder services
4AD Mailorder send out LP's in strong box-type carboard liners, and, with
extra bubble/sealed-air plastic wrapped around the LP. However, I don't know
if the latter is common practice or just due to the fact that I'm widely
known as Teenbeat Director of Packaging :).

Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:56:06 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Lisa Germano summary


LISA GERMANO
"EXCERPTS FROM A LOVE CIRCUS"

Released by 4AD on...

A new record from Lisa Germano.  If you know Lisa Germano's work, you'll
know to take Excerpts From A Love Circus home with you.  It's not an
album that's going to benefit from being listened to in an office --
competing with the phones and the faxes and the e-mails.  As ever, Lisa
whispers her secrets into your ear, and you wouldn't want to miss
anything.  (Well, you could skip to track seven and play 'Small Heads',
the single, in the office; but you'll end up playing two-note air piano
on your desk, and you may suffer ridicule from your peers.)

If you don't know Lisa Germano's work, then this is a good day.  You've
got a really fine record here -- and even better, there's three others
for you to catch up on.  Lisa mainly sings about dysfunctional
relationships, and some of her songs get pretty grim, but somehow her
records end up being funny and uplifting as well.  Her voice is very
breathy and gets right inside you, as does her violin playing.  Her
songwriting is simply extraordinary -- as intense, honest and personal as
anyone writing today.

>From her lyrics, you'd figure that she has a very low opinion of herself.
Boy, is she wrong.

Previously on Lisa Germano...

Lisa made an album called On The Way Down From The Moon Palace.  It was
just some demos she recorded at home, but her friend Paul Mahern
encouraged her to release it, and she did -- on her own Major Bill label.
Why Major Bill?  Because putting it out cost her a major bill.  ("Ha, ha,
ha," as Lisa would say.)

That got her a deal with Capitol, and she made another record called
Happiness.  This record is about missing out on something, or longing for
something -- or some state -- that you don't have anymore... and it's
about a dysfunctional relationship, and trying to work out whether, if
everyone's shitting on you, you might have done something to deserve this
treatment, and whether your view of yourself is closer to the truth than
other people's view of you.  Somewhere along the line, Lisa realises that
if she wants to be happy, it's up to her.

Capitol released Happiness, but then 4AD boss Ivo Watts-Russell saw Lisa
at a showcase and approached Capitol about licensing the album in the UK.
It quickly became obvious that Lisa and Capitol weren't hitting it off,
and Lisa moved across to 4AD.  Happiness was remixed and re-sequenced;
the cover version of 'These Boots Were Made For Walking' that Capitol had
insisted on was dropped, and the album was re-released on 4AD.

The title track was named by Brian Eno as the song he listened to most in
1995 (in one of those end-of-year features in Q magazine.

Lisa talks about the new record...

"You guys get that catalogue, right?" asks Lisa Germano, referring to
"Victoria's Secret" -- the sexy underwear-by-mail-order company, and now
also the title of a Lisa Germano song.  "It should be fun looking through
it," says Lisa, "but when you're depressed and you think you're ugly and
your boyfriend left you, you really don't need to have this shoved in
your face -- full of beautiful breasts and slinky legs."

Lisa sang 'Victoria's Secret' at a benefit for a women's shelter.  When
she announced the song a heckler yelled out something so abusive that "I
told him, if you're going to say that fucking stuff, get the fuck out of
here, and the next day the press was all about, oh, she can't control her
temper."

Yeah, right.  Lisa's problem is she controls her temper too well.
Witness "Message From Sophia": "I got home to someone and I walked into
the house and there was this really sexy message from a French woman on
the machine.  And I thought, wow, I caught him.  And I confronted him,
and he denied it.  I decided to just watch him.  I just let it go.  I
wrote that song about it.  Later I did get dumped."

This gets us nearly into Lisa's favourite area -- relationships that
aren't working out, why the hell you got into them in the first place,
and why it's so hard to get out of them.  As your English teacher would
tell you, there's a conflict here.  The trio of songs -- "Bruises", "I
Love A Snot" and "Forget It, It's A Mystery" -- work over this ground
thoroughly.

Lisa nearly didn't put 'I Love A Snot' on the album.  "Ivo said to me, 'I
don't know why you want to write a song about snot.'  I said, 'No, Ivo,
it's not about snot.  It's about a snot -- someone who's snotty, someone
who's all snobby.'  So later I was telling this story to two guys from
the 4AD office in L.A., about how Ivo didn't know what a snot was and
that it must mean something different in England, and how funny it was
that he thought I would even write a song about snot, and they said,
'Actually, we didn't know either until you just told us.'  Anyway, the
words don't make sense if it's about snot."

"Forget It" was one of several songs on the album that started out mean,
according to Lisa, but under the influence of co-producer Paul Mahern,
took on a more positive aspect.  Mahern -- the man who encouraged Lisa to
release her first album -- "was trying to steer me into being more
positive.  He would burn sage around the house to get rid of evil
spirits."

What evil spirits?  "I had a bad relationship in the house.  Anyway, we
switched some of these songs from being hateful to being what they are .
I was trying to have a sense of humour."

How many bad relationships have you had?  "To be honest, just three or
four -- they all end up being the same song because you keep on repeating
what you're doing."

And do the guys know the songs are about them?  "I think they know.
Actually, one person I don't think ever knew, and I wrote whole bunches
about him.  Anyway, after they've become songs, they're not really about
anyone anymore.  They're just about situation.  They're just songs."

In between the songs on Excerpts from a Love Circus you'll hear plenty of
interruptions from Lisa's two cats, Dorothy and Miamo-Tutti.  (Among the
thank-yous on the sleeve is one for the Blue Sky clinic for saving
Miamo-Tutti's life.)  Dorothy takes the lead on 'Where's Miamo-Tutti?",
whereas Miamo-Tutti's uneasy growling can be heard on "Just a Bad Dream".
And on "There's More Kitties in the World Than Just Miamo-Tutti" Lisa
gives Dorothy some advice that clearly is really aimed at herself: 'as
soon as you quit looking, they'll come around.'

Which brings us neatly to the other song that Lisa nearly left off the
album, "Lovesick".  She says she thought maybe it was too personal.  This
from the woman who, on her last album, shared with us the feelings of a
woman lying in bed waiting for the guy who's stalking her to break into
her house ('a psychopath who says he loves me, and I'm alone and I'm cold
and I'm paralysed').  What could be too personal for Lisa Germano?

In the song, a man says to her, 'You're not my Yoko Ono'.  Lisa explains
the reference: "I didn't realise that I was living in this myth of two
people going through life together and supporting each other, no matter
what, until he said that to me.  John Lennon was a very artistic man.  He
could have had anyone in the world -- but he chose a woman who challenged
him, and they became soul-mates.  So for this person to say that to me,
he was saying, 'I never loved you, you're not strong enough for me, and
we were never soul-mates.'  Of course, I should have just said, 'Yeah,
and you're no John fuckin' Lennon.'"

So why was this too personal for the album?  "Maybe because I do have
this stupid dream of trying to find a soul-mate, and that embarrasses me,
and because it bugs me that I wasn't strong enough at the time to get out
of a very bad relationship because of that dream," says Lisa.  "It won't
happen again!...Ha, ha, ha,..."

written by
Mark Edwards
June 1996

as posted by
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com


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