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Subject: Re: These Wings without Feathers
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:51:23 -0700
From: Ed Wakabayashi (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive in Boston/Cambridge
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:32:23 EDT
From: SnowGlassApples (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: lush trade
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:27:56 +0100
From: GRANSTROEM PETER (L95_GRR@L.KTH.SE)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L to split
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:07:45 -0400
From: John Porter (jporter@BTG.COM)
Subject: Ruthie's Knocking on enhanced CD
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:25:44 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews & Acquiring E.S.P.
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:35:55 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: cd prices/*danger*
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 16:37:25 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: Spiritualized
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:07:51 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L to split
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:12:09 -0700
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: New DCD single (exclusive!)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:19:39 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L to split
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:47:27 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (Giles.Booth@BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: hnia in la?
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:20:05 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Old Lisa Germano album
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:53:31 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L to split
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:49:10 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L to split
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:46:56 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: hnia in la
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:22:47 -0700
From: girlyloop (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: cd prices/*danger*
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:09:29 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive in Boston/Cambridge
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:38:01 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: DCD boots
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:09:27 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews & Acquiring E.S.P.
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:51:37 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Dead Can Dance single
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:32:55 -0700
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive in Boston/Cambridge
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:43:05 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: cd "rent", ok for me.
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:43:42 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: HNIAYE
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:11:05 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: cd "rent", ok for me.
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:09:21 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews & Acquiring E.S.P.
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:35:02 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Glenn Branca
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:27:11 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: CZ
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:48:14 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: DCD list? NO! Ethereal list, perhaps.
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:36:22 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive in Boston/Cambridge
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:51:29 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: cd prices/*danger*
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:57:55 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Topolino
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:39:08 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: CZ
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:02:40 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: CANCELLATION
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:29:16 -0600
From: Roy White (rwhite@MAIL.AROS.NET)
Subject: Re: CANCELLATION
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:52:53 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews & Acquiring E.S.P.
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:59:17 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: The final HNIA show in Detroit
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 02:52:57 +0000
From: "James L. Napiorkowski Jr." (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Mirror Pool, Zardoz
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 05:29:27 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: Deluxe Rimy in US now!
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 02:52:53 +0000
From: "James L. Napiorkowski Jr." (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Topolino
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 05:29:25 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 02:52:59 +0000
From: "James L. Napiorkowski Jr." (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)

Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:51:23 -0700
From: Ed Wakabayashi (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: These Wings without Feathers


I wrote:
>
> If anyone is interested, EAR/Rational has this disc.  It's a World
> Serpent (UK) comp which includes two Lisa Gerrard tracks not available
> elsewhere.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that you can contact Dave at E/R at


Ed
--
Edward Wakabayashi                    /\   You've kissed everybody else's
zorg@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov  /\      -*Her Majesty the Baby*-
zorg@sirius.com                       \/


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:32:23 EDT
From: SnowGlassApples (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive in Boston/Cambridge


> Did anyone else manage to stay up late enough to catch this show last night?
> If so, what did I miss?
>
> This marks the second time I've missed HNIA live and it sucks.  But I can't
> abide staying up until 12:15am to see a band perform when I have to be up at
> 6am for work.
>
> What's with clubs scheduling acts so friggin' late anyway?? The Middle East
> had 3 or four bands playing last night, beginning at 9:15. HNIA were the
> last one's to play...and the first two didn't sound like anything I'd care
> to hear.
>
> But please rub it in and force me to regret not staying up so late...
>
> Mike
> iceblink@tiac.net
>

well, i didnt get to see tha boston show, but i just got back from the
hoboken new jersey show...  warren jumped onto the audience during the
performance and played guitar at my feet. it was wonderful.  godzuki opened..
 ive seen the light. i love them.

and i swear hte last time i saw hnia, there were only 3 people....

--robn


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:27:56 +0100
From: GRANSTROEM PETER (L95_GRR@L.KTH.SE)
Subject: lush trade


Hullo there!

I've got:
------------

Lush - ciao!
(UK 1 track promoCD with really nice digipak sleeve)

Lush - lovelife (sampled)
(UK 4 track promoCD)

Lush - ladykillers
(UK 7" single, green vinyl, with exclusive non-CD track)
(still sealed)

Lush - 500
(UK 7" single, red vinyl)
(still sealed)


I'm looking for:
---------------------------
Lush - Last Night
(US promoCD/12")

Lush - lovelife  (the album)
(US 12 track promoCD)

Lush - lovelife (the song)
(US 3 track promoCD)

Lush - Hypocrite
(US 1 track promoCD)

Lush - Superblast!
(US 4 track promoCD)


Ciao!
/Peter


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:07:45 -0400
From: John Porter (jporter@BTG.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L to split


Dez wrote:
> ...the majority of major flame wars that erupt are basically of the old
> 4AD/new 4AD types.
> ...there is a very clear divide between
> those who see 4AD's 'Golden' period as being around 83-86 with Cocteau Twins,
> Xymox, DCD, TMC etc and those who believe that the label really found its feet
> with the signing of the Muses/Pixies and welcome the nineties eclecticism.
> I think it's time for a parting of the ways.

Personally I think there should be a DCD list.

--
John Porter
jporter@btg.com

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:25:44 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Ruthie's Knocking on enhanced CD


I received a copy of the enhanced 'Limbo' CD today including an exclusive=
 bonus video track, recorded live 3/17/96 (somewhere...). The packaging is=
 better than the 4AD UK version. The jewel case is transparent green, and=
 there's a piece of paper with the bands name on top of it (the UK version=
 has an ugly blue sticker on it). But the printer who did the UK inlay did a=
 better job...

This video is a 39 MB QuickTime Movie, it can be viewed in a Macromedia=
 Director Projector file - including the title 'Ruthie's Knocking' and two=
 buttons 'pause/quit' but you can also play it with MoviePlayer. QuickTime=
 2.1 is included on the disc - but you should use version 2.5 (I'm talking=
 about the Mac version here... I have never touched a Windows machine in my =
life).

So I've got Limbo two times... I must be an idiot... why don't they put=
 those extra bits on every cd?



=46or those of you who don't have a copy of this CD or can't view the video=
 or are planning to buy it, I have placed a few captures of it on a=
 temporary web-page:




Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, August 23, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:35:55 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews & Acquiring E.S.P.

              96 07:16:33 pm

> >It took me 2 weeks to find the new HNIA, even checking at Tower Records in
> >Atlanta (which still didn't have it last weekend) and HMV.  And it was
> >$14.99, which is bit high for me.  I'll wait for it to show up at Best Buy
> >or something like that.
> >-greg

> Good luck...Best Buy (Stone Mountain) had ONE (supposedly) in their
> computerized inventory, but then looking for it in the logical places,
> neither the store clerk nor I could find that ONE copy. Blockbuster Music
> (Snellville) still has NO HNIA and not even one of those place-marker cards
> for HNIA. (Hard to believe this band is coming to Atlanta, and so few stores
> carry their stuff.)

Yeah, at least I knew to try looking under Stars rather than His...

> I did manage to find E.S.P. about 3 weeks after its domestic release at
> Media Play (Stone Mountain), which has one of each HNIA. I think I paid
> $14.99...well worth it, IMHO. Is it that the Atlanta suburbs are not being
> serviced by 4-AD distributors, or is HNIA considered too "new" or something,
> that only indie or specialty shops in Atlanta carry their stuff?
> Carol Coney

I wasn't even looking in the suburbs - I was looking in the Buckhead/Lenox
area - Tower, HMV, Borders, etc.  And I haven't found it for less than
14.99, and I haven't found one store that had more than one copy.  I keep
hoping it will turn up at Best Buy or Circuit City - I am patient.  I
don't think it's necessarily because of the distribution, because all of
these stores had DCD's Spiritchaser.  Hmm...

-greg


Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 16:37:25 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: cd prices/*danger*


fred collins writes regarding music cd's:
>Your absolutely correct.  This is a luxury item.

you're absolutely correct fred. this *is* a luxury item.
just like the air we breath, the water we drink, and the sun
we hide from.

> The question is, can you stop buying CDs for a year?

 nope, the real question is, can I stop buying CDs for two weeks

seriously.
this kind of talk about not buying CDs really scares me. I think that
starting a war with the music industry is stupid *and* dangerous.
just remember, all the people in the industry can find other ways of
making money.  but we don't have any other way of getting the music.
I feel that we are very lucky with the situation as it is. considering
that the artists themselves are generously releasing their music with very
little demands. I know if I had the ability to write music (oh, what a wish)
I wouldn't feel a bit inclined to share that music with complete strangers.
most artists do have that inclination and I for one, wouldn't do anything
that would risk change that. (like not buying CDs)
lets consider ourselves lucky that at the time we live in, music is
constantly being written, produced, printed and distributed in a very
available form. so it's not as cheap as bread. it's a lot tastier though.

-naor-

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:07:51 PST
From: Tom Weibrecht (tweibrecht@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Spiritualized


try to tape this show and let the list know. Thx.
On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:09:48 -0400 Joseph Burns
 writes:
>So Spiritualized are playing here in Philly this weekend to celebrate
>the
>release of their new cd...
>My big question is, how come i didn't hear anything about this release
>or
>tour on this list? I tho't they were somewhat thislistie and I know
>there
>are a lot of SP*** fans on this list. Anybody got any news?
>


Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:12:09 -0700
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L to split


Hmmm.  Why not just ban non-4ad bands (answer: life with only 4ad would
be boring!!!).

I stay on this list because there are a lot of people with good taste out
there (applause).  There are good things to say about new and old 4ad, as
well as the 4adish bands that are discussed (spirtualized, cranes, etc.)

"We've got a good thing going, babe"

Why waste it?

Alex
--

Alex Wolfson
Associate Director
Columbia Institute for Tele-Information
809 Uris Hall
New York, NY 10027-7004
212/854-4222
212/854-4368 (direct)
212/932-7816 (fax)
ajw6@columbia.edu

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:19:39 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: New DCD single (exclusive!)


Hi,

PIAS BENELUX released today, courtesy 4AD, a two track CDsingle by Dead Can
Dance.
1. The Snake and The Moon (edit)
2. Song of the Nile


Cheers,

Huite

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:47:27 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (Giles.Booth@BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L to split


John Porter wrote:

>Personally I think there should be a DCD list.



I heartily agree. I never did get the 'trash dead can dance' macro on my
e-mail program to work properly...

----------------------------------------------------------------------

-   giles.booth@bbc.co.uk - BBC World Service

-   Room 503CB, Bush House, Strand, London WC2 4PH

-   'sic biscuitus disintegrat' ( - or: 'sic listicus disintegrat'?)

----------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:20:05 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: hnia in la?


Where are they playing at and when?

Please email me personally.
Thanks.

matthew


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:53:31 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Old Lisa Germano album


Lisa has 4 full records.

ON THE WAY DOWN FROM THE MOON PALACE Which was on her on funded Major Bill
Label (it may have dist. through someone else now)

HAPPINESS Capitol version and 4AD version
GEEK THE GIRL
Excerpts from a Love Circus


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:49:10 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L to split


At 21:43 8/22/96 +0000, you wrote:
>        Jens Alfke's news that he is to set up an ethereal/wotsit list
seems like
>good news to me. I've been on this list around a year now, and it seems to me
>that the majority of major flame wars that erupt are basically of the old
>4AD/new 4AD types. Personally I prefer these kind of lists to cover as broad a
>church as possible, but it does seem that there is a very clear divide between
>those who see 4AD's 'Golden' period as being around 83-86 with Cocteau Twins,
>Xymox, DCD, TMC etc and those who believe that the label really found its feet
>with the signing of the Muses/Pixies and welcome the nineties eclecticism.
>Anyone who's read any of my drivel will know which side of the fence my
feet are
>planted on, but I'm not interested in reopening that debate. I think it's time
>for a parting of the ways. Obviously there will be many people who feel as
>comfortable with the old as they do the new - nobody is suggesting that the
>lists should be mutually exclusive. But for those who consider the Cocteau
Twins
>to be totally irrelevant to anything in 1996, and those who consistently hate
>everything 4AD puts out, being on the same list is bound to cause conflict
- not
>to mention overuse of the delete key.
>
>- Dez
>
>PS we get to keep Red Atkins, though.

Even though CT & DCD are my favorite bands, if it were not for the 4AD list
I wouldn't have "discovered" HNIA, who ranks up there in my top 10. So I
prefer to have this 4AD-l stay as is.

And besides, all the CT mailing list and fan forum folks would also add the
ethereal list, and you'd still be over-utilizing your delete key due to all
the repetition of info.

Just a few cents worth.

Carol
>

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:46:56 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L to split


At 13:07 8/23/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Dez wrote:
>> ...the majority of major flame wars that erupt are basically of the old
>> 4AD/new 4AD types.
>> ...there is a very clear divide between
>> those who see 4AD's 'Golden' period as being around 83-86 with Cocteau Twins,
>> Xymox, DCD, TMC etc and those who believe that the label really found its
feet
>> with the signing of the Muses/Pixies and welcome the nineties eclecticism.
>> I think it's time for a parting of the ways.
>
>Personally I think there should be a DCD list.

I'll second that idea! I don't like their official site much.

Carol

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:22:47 -0700
From: girlyloop (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: hnia in la


  anyone have the number for luna park?

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:09:29 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: cd prices/*danger*


At 16:37 24/08/96 PDT, you wrote:

>> The question is, can you stop buying CDs for a year?
>
> nope, the real question is, can I stop buying CDs for two weeks

the last time I bought a full price cd was in february.  can't permit myself
differently.  would like to, but cd cost too much to me.  maybe things are
worst here.

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:38:01 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive in Boston/Cambridge


At 05:32 8/23/96 +0000, you wrote:
>> Did anyone else manage to stay up late enough to catch this show last night?
>> If so, what did I miss?
>>
>> This marks the second time I've missed HNIA live and it sucks.  But I can't
>> abide staying up until 12:15am to see a band perform when I have to be up at
>> 6am for work.
>>
>> What's with clubs scheduling acts so friggin' late anyway?? The Middle East
>> had 3 or four bands playing last night, beginning at 9:15. HNIA were the
>> last one's to play...and the first two didn't sound like anything I'd care
>> to hear.
>>
>> But please rub it in and force me to regret not staying up so late...
>>
>> Mike
>> iceblink@tiac.net
>>
>
>well, i didnt get to see tha boston show, but i just got back from the
>hoboken new jersey show...  warren jumped onto the audience during the
>performance and played guitar at my feet. it was wonderful.  godzuki opened..
> ive seen the light. i love them.

Does anyone know if godzuki is coming to Atlanta to open for HNIA? I
remember seeing someone write that they were doing FIVE shows with HNIA, and
heck, Atlanta is show #6. Damn! (Does anyone know definitively, or am I just
gonna have to wait and be happily or sadly surprised Tues nite?)

thanks,
Carol


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:09:27 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: DCD boots


At 09:41 22/08/96 PST, you wrote:

>what dcd boot do you have? im interested in a trade if i dont have it?
>tom

well, I've actually already given them all away, the one I had were not so
excellent.

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:51:37 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews & Acquiring E.S.P.


----- Begin Included Message -----


for HNIA. (Hard to believe this band is coming to Atlanta, and so few stores
carry their stuff.)

----- End Included Message -----

do yourself a favor and go to little five points.  their you will
find numerous record stores that i'm positive will have the HNIA
disc.  wuxtry records and criminal records are less than a quarter of
a mile apart.  also, there is a place in a strip mall that is across
the street from one of those shitty best buys that has a great selection
of imports.  it's been over a year since i've been to atlanta, so sorry
for lack of more specific details.

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:32:55 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Dead Can Dance single


Gerry, from a guy at Play It Again Sam/4AD...

From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL) Hi, Play It Again Sam Benelux released today, courtesy 4AD, a two track CD single by Dead Can Dance. 1. The Snake and The Moon (edit) 2. Song of the Nile Cheers, Huite from 4ad-l Jeff Keibel Toronto, ON CANADA redshift@interlog.com

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:43:05 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive in Boston/Cambridge


At 16:58 8/22/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Did anyone else manage to stay up late enough to catch this show last night?
>If so, what did I miss?
>
>This marks the second time I've missed HNIA live and it sucks.  But I can't
>abide staying up until 12:15am to see a band perform when I have to be up at
>6am for work.
>
>What's with clubs scheduling acts so friggin' late anyway?? The Middle East
>had 3 or four bands playing last night, beginning at 9:15. HNIA were the
>last one's to play...and the first two didn't sound like anything I'd care
>to hear.
>
>But please rub it in and force me to regret not staying up so late...
>
>Mike
>iceblink@tiac.net

Geez, Mike, you're not THAT old!!! Did ya ever hear of storing up some zzz's
from a few prior nites, and going for an all-nighter? Hey, it'll keep you
young, I promise. (I had a 72 yr old friend who did it to catch shows at
clubs, and you're what, a THIRD of his age?) And did you ever ask yourself
why God (or Goddess, or the Great Spirit, insert your deity here) gave us
coffee?

Carol

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:43:42 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: cd "rent", ok for me.


----- Begin Included Message -----

This is a good idea, because not many stores can take back cd's customers
buy and then return simply because they don't like what they heard. Here in
the states, many indie record stores provide headphones and allow folks to
preview what they are interested in buying. Some of the bigger stores will
do this as well. (Blockbuster Music here in Atlanta suburbs will do that,
and now the folks who work there know my taste and even set aside "weird"
stuff for me to listen to when it comes into their hands!)
----- End Included Message -----

the reason many indie stores will not accept returns without defects is
because that cd can not be returned to the distributer for any credit.
this is true with any store, except some stores such as blockbuster
re-shrinkwrap the disc.

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:11:05 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: HNIAYE


i will select no alternate editor thank you,
        Does anyone have ANY info at all about HNIA in Tucson? I know
that they are coming to Phoenix, but Phoenix blows.... Tucson would be
cool, and Trey said " yeah we'll be there". I also saw Liquorice AND
Velour100 at Luna Loca, and when i saw trey at the Liquorice show, he
told me that they(HNIA) played at Club Congress(really cool place, like
the wyatt erp(sic) version of St. Andrews Hall in detroit, but in a desert.
        again, anyone with any info on Tucson.
        and if anyone is going to see them in phoenix then tell me. i am
yet to meet on hnia fan in Arizona.
tanks-
        sean trapped in the desert(dessert)

------------
Sean Devine
tucson, az
------------


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:09:21 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: cd "rent", ok for me.


At 19:33 22/08/96 +0000, you wrote:

>This is a good idea, because not many stores can take back cd's customers
>buy and then return simply because they don't like what they heard. Here in

well, here the cause is you bought it, you've been ripped off, your problem.

>the states, many indie record stores provide headphones and allow folks to
>preview what they are interested in buying. Some of the bigger stores will

I was in Berlin for a while, and there is a large chain of record store,
Wom, that has literally hundreds of headphones.  if one day you don't know
what to do and don't want to spend money you just go there.  and they have,
in the same shops, a desk with a dozen of vinyl and cd record player with a
guy to which you bring the pile of records you wanna hear and he gladly play
them to your headphones.  and in Berlin there is plain cd renting, but
nobody complain, and records sells.

>and now the folks who work there know my taste and even set aside "weird"
>stuff for me to listen to when it comes into their hands!)

same for me at the ex-rent shop here... sometimes I bring them my cd to
listen to...

>Also, here in the U.S. many libraries don't rent, but they LEND, cd's just
>as they let patrons borrow their books. Of course I've never seen 4AD stuff

libraries lending cd?  pure science fiction, here!

>>I'll never risk bad surprises again, I'll always taste it before, as we say
>>here about watermelons.
>
>Do they really let you taste the watermelons in the markets in Italy, before
>you buy them? Yum-yum! Lucky you! (What about the pizza?!!!)

yeees of course.  we take watermelons very seriously here. there is a
special tubular tool to extract a sort of carrot... also, some initiated can
tell the quality by knocking the watermelon on the surface. if it "sound"
then it's good... for the pizza is different, you just don't come back there.

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:35:02 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews & Acquiring E.S.P.

              Aug 23, 96 12:51:37 pm

> for HNIA. (Hard to believe this band is coming to Atlanta, and so few stores
> carry their stuff.)
>
> ----- End Included Message -----
> do yourself a favor and go to little five points.  their you will
> find numerous record stores that i'm positive will have the HNIA
> disc.  wuxtry records and criminal records are less than a quarter of
> a mile apart.  also, there is a place in a strip mall that is across
> the street from one of those shitty best buys that has a great selection
> of imports.  it's been over a year since i've been to atlanta, so sorry
> for lack of more specific details.

That is good advice.  And Wuxtry and Criminal are where I go when I am
prepared to pay retail ($13 to $14), and they do have a generous selection
of harder to find stuff.  It's just a bit inconvenient to get over there,
and they charge for parking on the weekends...

And I'm guessing it's pretty far for Carol.

I do prefer to support small independant shops rather than the
national electronics superstores...  But sometimes I get led by my wallet
(and the gaping hole it contains).

So, does anyone know what time HNIA is playing on Tuesday?

-greg

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:27:11 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Glenn Branca


Could someone say a few words about Glenn Branca?
I just bought Symphony No. 9 and I must hear more!
The first track is kinda sleepy, but the second one
is pure genius-- the string section of an orchestra
going nuts with quick complexes of repetitive rhythms,
making an amazing cacophony.
I'd place it somewhere between Philip Glass and Michael Nyman.

What other works of his would anyone recommend?

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:48:14 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: CZ


  Hey CZ...lets watch the slams on age.  If you're lucky, someday you
will also be 45.


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:36:22 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: DCD list? NO! Ethereal list, perhaps.

              14:47:27 GMT

Booth wrote:
>   John Porter wrote:
>
>   >Personally I think there should be a DCD list.
>
>   I heartily agree.

Didn't we learn our lesson from the Cocteau Twins list???  What a horrid
disaster.  Sure i love DCD (i love CT too) but the list would just be overrun by
those who want to exchange stories about how they first got introduced to the
band, how they love having sex to DCD, how their Aunt actually likes DCD even
though she's 45 and is otherwise uncool, the benefits of CD over vinyl,
Digipacks over jewel-cases, what is and isn't "goth", all sorts of
rumor-mongering, and ... the list could go on and on between releases and tours
AND WOULD!  We'd have 1 valuable message a day and 25 pieces of e-trash.

Now, on the other hand, an ethereal list might be quite nice.  There does seem
to be some sort of divergence on this list but i'd probably be on both.  There's
enough to talk about without falling into meaningless banter and
let's-get-to-know-each-other "filler" that only serve to fill your mailbox and
wear out your delete key.

-cz


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:51:29 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive in Boston/Cambridge


When I saw Davin last weekend at the Indie-Rock Flea Market in Arlington, VA,
he said that Washington, DC would be the last show that he would be
attending...and I think the same goes for the opening band.
CJ

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:57:55 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: cd prices/*danger*


At 4:37 PM 8/24/96, naor wrote:
>fred collins writes regarding music cd's:
>>Your absolutely correct.  This is a luxury item.
>
>you're absolutely correct fred. this *is* a luxury item.
>just like the air we breath, the water we drink, and the sun
>we hide from.
>
>> The question is, can you stop buying CDs for a year?
>
> nope, the real question is, can I stop buying CDs for two weeks
>
>seriously.
>this kind of talk about not buying CDs really scares me. I think that
>starting a war with the music industry is stupid *and* dangerous.
>just remember, all the people in the industry can find other ways of
>making money.  but we don't have any other way of getting the music.
>I feel that we are very lucky with the situation as it is. considering
>that the artists themselves are generously releasing their music with very
>little demands. I know if I had the ability to write music (oh, what a wish)
>I wouldn't feel a bit inclined to share that music with complete strangers.
>most artists do have that inclination and I for one, wouldn't do anything
>that would risk change that. (like not buying CDs)
>lets consider ourselves lucky that at the time we live in, music is
>constantly being written, produced, printed and distributed in a very
>available form. so it's not as cheap as bread. it's a lot tastier though.
>
I think you might be too young to remember what happen to the record
industry in the 70s. They were having a serious time selling records.
People didn't like what was being produced and prices were rising due to
the oil embargos. The market will force adjustments IF people take it upon
themselves to hold fast and find alternative methods of obtaining
music...taping, going to the library, buying them used.  This isn't about
the artist, it is about the added charges, each time that cd changes hands
through the economic system that eventually arrives in your hands.

Peace,

Fred Collins


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:39:08 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Topolino


The forthcoming Lush compilation to be released in Japan by Nippon
Columbia is to be titled "Topolino", which is Italian for little mouse.
This same compilation or a variation of it also titled "Topolino" will
also be released in Canada by Mercury/Polydor tentatively in late
October/early November.  While not even confirmed slightly, the
Canadian version MAY contain extra tracks not on the Japanese version.
Hopefully other territories will release this compilation as well.

"Topolino" COCY-80351
Released 08/31/96
by Nippon Columbia

1.  500 (Shake Baby Shake) (album version)
2.  Ex (from BAD6002CD)
3.  I Wanna Be Your Girlfriend (from AD6002)
4.  Matador (from BAD6002CD)
5.  Piledriver (from BAD6009CD)
6.  I'd Like To Walk Around In Your Mind (from BADD6009CD)
7.  Carmen (from BADD6002CD)
8.  Plums And Oranges (from BADD6002CD)

The remaining B-Sides from the various "Lovelife" singles as well as the
Wire tribute track, "Half And Half" from Volume 16, those other
unreleased demo/acoustic and remix tracks aren't included on "Topolino"
but possibly may appear on the Canadian version.  Fingers crossed!!

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:02:40 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: CZ

              16:48:14 -0400

i said:
>   how they love having sex to
>   DCD, how their Aunt actually likes DCD even though she's
>   45 and is otherwise uncool, the benefits of CD over
>   vinyl, Digipacks over jewel-cases, what is and isn't
>   "goth", all sorts of rumor-mongering, and ...

Tim Conlon said:
>     Hey CZ...lets watch the slams on age.

        Woa!  Gettin' a little sensitive about the age thing, eh?  Actually that
was supposed to be one in a list of threads ranging from silly to thoroughly
insipid that are "based on truth" examples from other single-artist lists that
i've been on (not mentioning names).  My inclusion of this in the list should be
viewed as anti-agist not agist.

>   If you're lucky, someday you will also be 45.

That is, if i'm not already past 45, in which case i'd need to be *very* lucky.

-cz


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:29:16 -0600
From: Roy White (rwhite@MAIL.AROS.NET)
Subject: CANCELLATION


PLEASE DELETE rwhite@aros.net     rwhite@mail.aros.net     rwhite@terra from
your mailing list.     Thank you.

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:52:53 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: CANCELLATION


huh?


Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:59:17 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews & Acquiring E.S.P.


At 18:35 8/23/96 +0000, you wrote:
>> for HNIA. (Hard to believe this band is coming to Atlanta, and so few stores
>> carry their stuff.)
>>
>> ----- End Included Message -----
>> do yourself a favor and go to little five points.  their you will
>> find numerous record stores that i'm positive will have the HNIA
>> disc.  wuxtry records and criminal records are less than a quarter of
>> a mile apart.  also, there is a place in a strip mall that is across
>> the street from one of those shitty best buys that has a great selection
>> of imports.  it's been over a year since i've been to atlanta, so sorry
>> for lack of more specific details.
>
>That is good advice.  And Wuxtry and Criminal are where I go when I am
>prepared to pay retail ($13 to $14), and they do have a generous selection
>of harder to find stuff.  It's just a bit inconvenient to get over there,
>and they charge for parking on the weekends...
>
>And I'm guessing it's pretty far for Carol.

Yeah, it's too far to go just for cd shopping...but hey, I can't knock where
I live, cause it's only 45 min. drive to Athens, and live shows at the 40
Watt are usually much cheaper than shows by same bands in Atlanta!
>
>I do prefer to support small independant shops rather than the
>national electronics superstores...  But sometimes I get led by my wallet
>(and the gaping hole it contains).
>
>So, does anyone know what time HNIA is playing on Tuesday?

I wish I knew...has anyone called the club? If you do, ask about the opening
act, cause I want to figure out if I want to miss em & take a nap, or head
on into the big city to see the whole show.

I'll look for ya Greg (hey, what am I looking for?)

Carol


Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 02:52:57 +0000
From: "James L. Napiorkowski Jr." (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: The final HNIA show in Detroit


The final show to be played in the Detroit area is scheduled to be September
20th at Alvin's~~

guests include Low and MOG.


~  quis


Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 05:29:27 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Mirror Pool, Zardoz


I am watching now a '70 sf film called Zardoz.  there are some scenes of
trees mirroring in a lake that resemble the cover of the Gerrard solo album.
some relations?

Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 02:52:53 +0000
From: "James L. Napiorkowski Jr." (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Deluxe Rimy in US now!


At 12:51 AM 23/08/96 +0000, you wrote:
>I just got off the phone with Arcana books in Santa Monica and as we spoke
>they we're opening the packaging of the Deluxe Editions of This Rimy River.
>They have a limited number and when they are gone, they are gone.  Vaughn
>has assured them they will not reprint.
>
>The only problem is they are about $50 to $60 dollars higher than getting it
>from 4AD London.  It seems that because of the extra work and expense in the
>publication, this was the only way that they could get them was to pay a
>little more for them.
>
>Trickle down economics.
>
>The cost is (gulp) $375 and another $10-20 for shipping, depending upon your
>location.
>
>They might also be getting the DCD tour booklets with the unreleased track.
>Probably next week, I'll let you know.
>
>There are only 400 of the Deluxe Rimy's, and we know what a mint "Lonely Is
>An Eyesore" box is worth, don't we?
>
>
>Arcana - Books On The Arts
>1229 Third Street Promenade
>Santa Monica, CA  90401
>(310) 458-1499
>
>fax (310) 458-9014
>
>Layne
>laynemc@snowcrest.net
>

I don't know what the exchange rate is now... but when I paid for mine in
January...it came to only about $270 US dollars.....  hmmm.

For those still wanting one, I'd go for the source first (4AD mail order).
Nothing against Arcana, I've ordered from them before and highly recommend
them....but if you can save a $100.....

speaking of price hikes, anyone else see the ad in the recent Goldmine where
someone is auctioning a Lilliput in M- condition....minimum bid is, get
this, ....  $500

to bad we can't buy stock in 4AD eh?

~   quis

Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 05:29:25 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: Topolino


At 17:39 23/08/96 -0700, you wrote:

>The forthcoming Lush compilation to be released in Japan by Nippon
>Columbia is to be titled "Topolino", which is Italian for little mouse.

maybe you be interested to know that "Topolino" was the popular nickname for
a small car produced by Fiat in the late '50, that evolved into the 500.
this nickname then become an official name for that car.

Topolino is also the italian name of Mickey Mouse, but I don't think this is
relevant.

Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 02:52:59 +0000
From: "James L. Napiorkowski Jr." (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.


At 05:46 AM 21/08/96 +0000, you wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, James L. Napiorkowski Jr. wrote:
>
>> >
>> >
>> >>> i guess this makes up for their
>> >> >online mistake about his name is alive. when the brothers quay short
films
>> >> came to the detroit institute of arts film theatre, they said that the
>> >> >quays show will feature london's his name is alive. they didn't even know
>> >> >muzik from their own backyard.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Well that little incident about the misprint can make up for all the
>> >times Warren has "forgotten" to mention specific people, record labels,
>> >and bands from around here when articles are done and questions are asked...
>> >
>> >
>>
>> oh, please do vent somemore......just because someone's trifle little garage
>> label didn't get credit in a tiny local paper about it's only credible
>> release featuring hisnameisalive, is no reason to hold a grudge against
>> someone for so long, who didn't even have anything to do with the foul-up.
>> becoming a bit spiteful?
>>
>
>I wasn't referring so much to our dealings with TIMEstereo and I could
>really care less about us not getting accredited for the release. And it
>has more to do with those people who Warren DID not credit in the Metro
>Times article who were not very happy with the the things written. It's
>just common knowledge to some of us around here the certain credits
>weren't given where credit should have been in various articles.....

OK, I'm no journalist, but they do tend to cut and snip and edit here and
there to their hearts content however they see fit....ever think of that?

>And
>despite how you view us a trifle "garage" label that is your own view and
>business. We may not be huge but we are recognized: just not by the
>little noise clique you follow from the Michigan area....
>

you are recognized?  hmmm, nothing I've ever read.  Fact is, I don't think
anyone on this list (apart from yourself and Kelli) had even heard of your
label prior to the release of the HNIA split 7".....  And I do keep up with
alot more than just the noise about these parts, and never seen the name
mentioned.

>>>another show to follow in September at a book store
>> >>
>> > Possibly at the Book Beat at 9 Mile and Greenfield? Corey and the rest
>> >of the Destroy All Monsters crew have a lot in common with the PDM/Time
>> >Stereo guys so I figure that's where it will be. Davin's art is quite
>> >strange. I have two "CDs" that he made for PDM that consisted of him
>> >taking old CDs and breaking them and painting them and so on. Then he
>> >would be devious and put them out for sale at $10 a piece!! I actually
>> >bought them from him 4 years ago and he freaked out! (he gave me the
>> >other ones free after that).
>> >
>>
>> well, you know... beauty (and the same could be said for art) is in the eye
>> of the beholder...either that or you're saying you are really gullible.
>>
>>
> I never said I criticized the art done by Davin for shit's sake... I
>bought the CDs from Davin to support Time Stereo before it became more
>well known. Davin, Kenny and Warren know that so I have no need to
>justify that too you...

first you say he's being devious, then you say you bought them to support
timeSTEREO....hmmmm...to me it just sounds like you were perhaps just trying
to get on their good side, just so that eventually you might put something
of theirs on your lil label.   the rest of the list can form their own
opinion (as I'm sure they will), but personally, instead of holding this
little vendetta against Warren, I think you should get down and kiss his
feet and thank him for giving you the recognition you did get from the
7"...yes, you ARE now known...thanks to Warren & Co.

>
>> >grasshopper
>> >
>>
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>> >system and break down all willpower rendering the victim stupid. The
>> >first sonic disease experiment. We are <> For a free
>> >catalog of releases and other tasty noisy bits write to:
>> >
>> >                Shaolin Temple 2232 Nalone Wixom, Michigan 48393
>>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >             ++THE MOST COMPLETE LINE OF ROCK 'N ROLL MERCHANDISE++
>>
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>> >
>
>> ...and I don't know exactly how much control you have over inventory, but I
>> found your selection pretty bleak.  Oh sure, you got NKotB buttons and
>> stickers, but no Muses' :Shark" ep yet??   only one hnia CD in the 'H'
>> section without it's own heading...  I know the Record Collector supports
>> Jennifer Wolski... shouldn't the same be said of Rock of Ages for timeSTEREO
>> and at the very least HNIA??
>>
>> ~  quis
>>
>> (who himself is done venting.........................)
>>
>
>Just because the store I work at does not have the "cool" things you
>would like to see gives you know reason to give me shit for advertising
>where I work....

Hey like I said, I didn't even know what control you did have, but I at
least thought you'd have the Muses' "Shark" or even the new RHP for God's
sake...Best Buy has better selection these days.  And I'll be the first to
also say that the Record Collector also has a problem in the 'new releases'
dept...although that has never been their main area of interest.  Besides
which, Davin nor anyone related to timeSTEREO has any control of....

>The type of things that sell at Record Collector and where
>I work our 100% different and anyone who has been to both stores knows
>that. For us to carry Time Stereo cassettes is just a waste of tapes for
>Davin since he knows they would not sell at that specific record store.
>Just because we do not carry TIME stereo stuff does not mean I don't
>support them. I have been buying from Record Collector and Time Stereo
>for well over 6 years and I know where my support is at. Davin has always
>been a great support to our band as have I to Time Stereo and again I
>have no need to justify any of that to you....
>

let's recap...   timeSTEREO (aka the Record Collector) sells your bands
tapes, but your store does not....  Warren does you the favor of allowing
you to record a split 7" on your label...then you blame Warren for not
giving credit to the dozens of people who have helped support him in the
past few years in a little news article to which his portion amounted to
just about 2 or 3 paragraphs.  Warren DOES give credit when, and wherever
possible...all you have to do is look at the cover to "Stars on ESP"...but
you probably haven't gotten that in stock yet.
One other example of credit not being given is the case of the promo "Stars
on ESP" CD....the photo used for the cover on the gold promo (also appearing
within the disc holder of the regular version) is that of Warren, taken by
none other than Davin.  did you see his name in the credits????... no. And
it doesn't bother him.  To those it matters, they know, and it's enough that
they know.  It was a mistake by none other than the folks at v23...(by the
way, thanks Tim for everything!)
 and yet you maintain that you support the label and their work (while
calling it devious at the same time for example).  Some here on the list may
say it's just character flaw, and some may say it seems hypocritic.  I just
say I'm done wasting time on this thread...I'd rather be forced to watch
hours of Gilligan's Island...


>grasshopper
>
>*****************************************************************************
>The deadliest of weapons created by the Shaolin to attack the nervous
>system and break down all willpower rendering the victim stupid. The
>first sonic disease experiment. We are <> For a free
>catalog of releases and other tasty noisy bits write to:
>
>                Shaolin Temple 2232 Nalone Wixom, Michigan 48393
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  ROCK OF AGES . 31015 FORD ROAD . GARDEN CITY, MI 48135 USA . 313/522-4590
>             ++THE MOST COMPLETE LINE OF ROCK 'N ROLL MERCHANDISE++
>******************************************************************************
>

and I am the perpetual trouble-maker.....


~  quis