Subject: Re: cd prices
Subject: cd "rent", ok for me.
Subject: Re: (Non-list) Creation Records Question
Subject: (non-4AD) Fwd: The film "I Am The Elephant and U R The Mouse"
Subject: Re: cd prices
Subject: Creation/renting/Alanis
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff
Subject: tortoise
Subject: Totally Unlistie Bomb the Bass Lyrics
Subject: Unofficial DCD web page.
Subject: Re: cd "rent", ok for me.
Subject: Re: cd "rent", ok for me.
Subject: Re: 4AD Blondie? (Hey Rich H., try answering this one!)
Subject: His Name Is Alive in Boston/Cambridge
Subject: Re: tortoise
Subject: Re: Spiritualized
Subject: The CDnow Update
Subject: Vashti?
Subject: Chimera at Virgin
Subject: Re: Some Reviews & Acquiring E.S.P.
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive in Boston/Cambridge
Subject: Re: 4AD Blondie?
Subject: Re: cd "rent", ok for me.
Subject: 4AD-L to split
Subject: Re: Fwd: Curve
Subject: hnia in la
Subject: Deluxe Rimy in US now!
Subject: Re: hnia in la
Subject: These Wings without Feathers
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 05:35:52 +0200
At 01:54 21/08/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> anyway, a price lift of 25%. yes, TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT.
>The other thing I've seen lately is an increase in "screw-the-public"
>policies adopted by the labels. My favorite is that some labels, such as
well, what I can guess is that people here is buying less cd because our
economy is getting worst.
so record companies think "less sales, less income. lift price to meet
previous incomes".
they'll only obtain even less sales.
why don't they cut on promotion of silly corporate-designed teens-acts, for
instance? there are a lot of groups that sell not because what they do but
because the coverage they had. youngsters appreciate how much their faces
go on papers and tv, fuck the music. call a musician and ask him some
music, if you want music, then stick it over some nice faces. done. sell
it. search new faces...
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 05:35:55 +0200
>I saw the CD renting in Australia while I was there. Is that legal in the
>states? I've never seen it here. As a matter of fact, I'd never heard of
I tell you all how it work in Italy, and why I think is fair.
it started some year ago as plain renting.
then it was found out that it was illegal.
good. so they don't rent cd. they *sell* cd. (of course obtaining this
different commercial licence for these shops meant also paying more money to
the same public authorities that were pressed from record companies to ban
out renting... get what I mean?)
they sell cd with a clause. you can evaluate the cd before you buy it, with
no deposit, just a small fee, and if you don't think it suit your needs, you
can bring it back, losing the fee.
this is a contract contemplated by the italian codes like "sale with reserve
of gradition". I don't bother you with legal details.
anyway everybody will agree that you have to test what you buy, if test does
not ruins item tested. you don't have to buy a cd just for the nice cover,
if you don't trust/know authors. just think at book and reading at bookstores.
(why they don't put headphones here, or just a couple with the shit
mainstream is a mistery to me)
I did know of Dead Can Dance this way. I rent "In the realm of a dying
sun", when it was still called renting. I liked it. I bought it, in
another proper record shop (the rent shop did not want to sell it to me...),
and all DCD discography, the video, some boot and Lisa's solo...
how also could I happen to know this band? mind, DCD and similar have a
dedicated but relatively small followers. no radio plays them. and would
you trust music columnist that get the piles records they review for free?
I risked and lose too much money on their bright visions.
so who gained from this situation? almost everybody, but expecially the
valid artists that can/want not to be promoted like soaps.
I could try the real sound of a group at half the price of a magazine
reviewing them. the rent shop had some little money. the record shop, and
from them the italian distrib of 4ad, 4ad same and at last, I hope, DCD,
make the relatively biggest money selling a lot of records to me.
I'll never risk bad surprises again, I'll always taste it before, as we say
here about watermelons.
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:28:58 -0700
On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Barry A. Mathews wrote:
> recently bought a US compilation (Patron Saint of Teenage) of rare Creatyion
> stuff. In the liner notes, it said that Creation/Tristar (a SOny/Columbia)
> offshoot would be releasing (in upwards of a hundred CD's!) all kinds Creation
> stuff in the US. This compilation was from '93. It's '96 and I've never seen
> one Tristar/Creation release in the US. Did the deal get canned or just moved
Idha's (wife of Andy Bell from Ride) album was released on
Tristar/Creation in the US in '94. I'm pretty sure it sold about 5 copies
in this country. Maybe this and a couple of other poor-selling releases
caused them to change their minds about releasing other Creation stuff.
aaron
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:34:39 -0400
I hate to interrupt this "will alanis' credibility in 4AD land go kaput after
the birth of her twins in 5 months or does her track on the upcoming 'this
rimy river ltd. is a joke too' cd compilation (HA-HA 1) nix that?"
commentary, but I thought a few may find this following bit interesting.
Begin fwd message
________________________
< [email protected] > writes:
> I have recently received information from the director (Forest Wise) about
> the film "I Am The Elephant and U R The Mouse" and the possibility of
> ordering
> the film (on NTSC video tape).
>
> I mentioned that he might find that there are a bunch of people that would
> like to buy it on this mailing list, and he liked the idea. This would be
> the director's cut (and not the shorter one to be released later) which
> includes all the Slowdive songs written for it as well.
>
> Here's where you can help - Forest wanted to know how many (roughly) on
> the list would be interested in ordering the Director's Cut of the film
> and how many of those that want it in NTSC format and how many would want
> it in PAL format. If enough people requests PAL format, he is willing to
> make copies in that format as well.
>
> The price he mentioned would be about US $40.00 (which includes shipping
> and handling), though it might be lower depending on the amount of
> interested people.
>
> * So, if you are interested - please let me know by sending e-mail to me
> at: [email protected]
>
> PLEASE NOTE: that by saying that you are interested, you are NOT
> automatically saying that you _will buy_ a copy in the end.
> Forest just want to get a rough estimate on how many that
> are interested, that's all.
>
> Another interesting piece of information regarding the company that
> lies behind the film (and the new one to be made mentioned earlier)
> is that Neil Halstead is a part of the company!
>
> //Erik Soderstrom ([email protected])
---------------------
Forwarded message:
Date: 96-08-14 19:14:08 EDT
I have recently received information from the director (Forest Wise) about
the film "I Am The Elephant and U R The Mouse" and the possibility of
ordering
the film (on NTSC video tape).
I mentioned that he might find that there are a bunch of people that would
like to buy it on this mailing list, and he liked the idea. This would be
the director's cut (and not the shorter one to be released later) which
includes all the Slowdive songs written for it as well.
Here's where you can help - Forest wanted to know how many (roughly) on
the list would be interested in ordering the Director's Cut of the film
and how many of those that want it in NTSC format and how many would want
it in PAL format. If enough people requests PAL format, he is willing to
make copies in that format as well.
The price he mentioned would be about US $40.00 (which includes shipping
and handling), though it might be lower depending on the amount of
interested people.
* So, if you are interested - please let me know by sending e-mail to me
at: [email protected]
PLEASE NOTE: that by saying that you are interested, you are NOT
automatically saying that you _will buy_ a copy in the end.
Forest just want to get a rough estimate on how many that
are interested, that's all.
Another interesting piece of information regarding the company that
lies behind the film (and the new one to be made mentioned earlier)
is that Neil Halstead is a part of the company!
//Erik Soderstrom ([email protected])
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 05:48:42 EDT
I personally dont pay for high priced cds (no more than 12 dollars anyway),
but some palces do sell them at really high prices and people stupidly buy
them..
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:03:05 -0400
>> Creation/Tristar (a SOny/Columbia) offshoot would be releasing (in
>> upwards of a hundred CD's!) all kinds Creation stuff in the US.
>> This compilation was from '93. It's '96 and I've never seen one
>> Tristar/Creation release in the US.
>
>well, i picked up the jazz butcher conspiracy's "waiting for the
>lovebus" on creation/tristar (us), so i guess they did. i'm not sure
>where it sits now, though, or what else they have released. - drew
They also put out the Telescopes album (the one without a title), but got
rid of the cool digipak in favour of a boring old jewel case. Haven't seen
any other Tristar re-releases.
>anyway everybody will agree that you have to test what you buy, if test does
>not ruins item tested.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So no biting the CD.
Alanis blew everyone in her band and road crew. It's all on video.
Larry
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:08:33 -0400
On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Robert Dunkin took a moment away from
his usual regimen of buggering farm animals to make the
brilliant observation that:
>
> Obviously Dan K, Fatherhood means Mental Freeze as WELL!
>
oh yes. obviously.
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 08:29:30 -0400
firstly, can somebody post (or repost) a brief
review of 'millions now living....'? i keep
seeing stuff about this band, but know so little
about them. is there an hnia connection to them,
warren produced? etc....
secondly, i found this just now at nme.com
TORTOISE have been given the remix treatment by leading
drum'n'bass
exponents SPRING HEEL JACK for their new single 'Along The Banks
Of
The Rivers', out on September 9. The original track is on
Tortoise's last LP
'Millions Now Living Will Never Die' and the B-side features a
Bedouin Ascent
version of 'Glass Museum' from the same album. Other artists who
have mixed
the single include Luke Vibert (aka Wagon Christ), UNKLE, Oval
and Bundt
K Brown. The Chicago-based collective, who play Reading Festival
on Sunday
(August 25), also play a one-off date at London Camden Electric
Ballroom on
September 5, their last UK live appearance this year. Support
comes from
Flying Saucer Attack and Snowpony and tickets are #7.50.
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:01:36 -0500
Good lyrics on the new Bomb the Bass "Clear" cd,
here's a sample.
"Feeling down by law like I was Jim Jarmusch
Pictures in my brain just like Diane Arbus"
from "Braindead" - Bomb the Bass w/ Justin Warfield
"Vampire, you suck the life of goodness"
from "Empire" - Bomb the Bass w/Sinead O'Connor
I am really digging this new cd and Tim Simenon
is back, boyeeee! heh heh :-) Nice addition to the
Tricky/Massive Attack/Portishead, etc genre.
Steve
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:34:30 -0300
Well, you can find it here:
It's still under construction (and will be forever, i think), so
if you have anything to add, send it to me.
Leonid ( [email protected] >
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:41:05 PST
what dcd boot do you have? im interested in a trade if i dont have it?
tom
On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 05:35:55 +0200 lbo
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:02:32 -0400
Have you ever gone to the library?
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:01:50 -0400
Not True. That song was supposed to be for a little project Ivo has/had? in
mind. Certain bands lend themselves very well to certain songs. We'll keep
it at that since it does not seem to be progressing. WE ARE NOT DOING
BLONDIE RECORDS. THough I can't wait to hear Alanis singing on the next This
Mortal Coil record..
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:58:44 -0400
Did anyone else manage to stay up late enough to catch this show last night?
If so, what did I miss?
This marks the second time I've missed HNIA live and it sucks. But I can't
abide staying up until 12:15am to see a band perform when I have to be up at
6am for work.
What's with clubs scheduling acts so friggin' late anyway?? The Middle East
had 3 or four bands playing last night, beginning at 9:15. HNIA were the
last one's to play...and the first two didn't sound like anything I'd care
to hear.
But please rub it in and force me to regret not staying up so late...
Mike
[email protected]
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:10:22 -0700
daniel asks:
>can somebody post (or repost) a brief
> review of 'millions now living....'? i keep
> seeing stuff about this band, but know so little
> about them. is there an hnia connection to them,
> warren produced? etc....
I reviewed it a few mo's back but I think I forgot to save a copy. No
HNIA connection that I know of, thank God, although there's a Stereolab
connection in that one member of Tortoise plays on "Emperor Tomato
Ketchup" and some of the tracks were recorded at his studio. And all
their members seem to have come from various major '80s indie bands
(mostly on Homestead, I think) that I somehow never got around to
listening to during the '80s.
Anyhow, to my ears Tortoise are rambling instrumental rock with lots of
dub touches and a definite debt to prog. "Millions Now Living Will Never
Die" opens with a really good 20 minute track "Djed" that goes all over
the map, from Stereolab-style fuzz-drone to gamelan percussion to
spaced-out dub netherworld. The rest of I found much less interesting,
and some of the jams on the later tracks had me wondering if they'd
really spent too many years listening to Yes...
and reports:
>Support comes from Flying Saucer Attack and Snowpony
Hey, didn't FSA break up? Or are they in some kind of limbo where they
get together as it suits them for one-off live gigs?
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:09:48 -0400
So Spiritualized are playing here in Philly this weekend to celebrate the
release of their new cd...
My big question is, how come i didn't hear anything about this release or
tour on this list? I tho't they were somewhat thislistie and I know there
are a lot of SP*** fans on this list. Anybody got any news?
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:30:40 -0700
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with all the "muses going down the tubes" "muses in rare form" argument,
this showed up in my mailbox this morning from cdnow
> A L T E R N A T I V E
>
> Throwing Muses Special Sale
>
> Throwing Muses : "Limbo"
> Throwing Muses : "Ruthie's Knocking"
> Throwing Muses : "Hunkpapa"
> Throwing Muses : "Real Ramona"
> Throwing Muses : "University"
oh, and they also had a little news article on 4ad signing alanis. ivo
himself verified that warren defever will be engineering/mixing her next
album, "esp hell."
(just joking about the alanis bit) - drew
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:42:00 -0700
Hi all... a few notes:
1) RE: CD prices. Buy second-hand. I can't recall when I last
bought a new disc. I think it was The Fakes (Bikini Kill spinoff
project) 6 months ago. Of course, you have to give up the fetishitic
desire to have the newest, latest before the other poor slobs have
it.
2) RE: Annoyance. Why are lush playing in LA the same night that
HNIA is playing in San Diego? I guess I can hang around LA an
extra day and see them there.
3) There is no number three.
4) I just got a transcript of Miki & Chris of Lush being IRC'd at
AOL a few months ago (thanks Domingo X!) In this interview, they
mentioned that the then forthcoming '500' single was to feature a
cover of VASHTI. Does this ring any bells with folks here? What
the hell is VASHTI. Was this Miki taking the piss again?
Reality
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Chimera played last night at Luna Park and
they do an in-store at Virgin tonight at 8pm.
Tour dates were posted a while ago, so go hit the archives.
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:16:33 +0000
>It took me 2 weeks to find the new HNIA, even checking at Tower Records in
>Atlanta (which still didn't have it last weekend) and HMV. And it was
>$14.99, which is bit high for me. I'll wait for it to show up at Best Buy
>or something like that.
>
>-greg
Good luck...Best Buy (Stone Mountain) had ONE (supposedly) in their
computerized inventory, but then looking for it in the logical places,
neither the store clerk nor I could find that ONE copy. Blockbuster Music
(Snellville) still has NO HNIA and not even one of those place-marker cards
for HNIA. (Hard to believe this band is coming to Atlanta, and so few stores
carry their stuff.)
I did manage to find E.S.P. about 3 weeks after its domestic release at
Media Play (Stone Mountain), which has one of each HNIA. I think I paid
$14.99...well worth it, IMHO. Is it that the Atlanta suburbs are not being
serviced by 4-AD distributors, or is HNIA considered too "new" or something,
that only indie or specialty shops in Atlanta carry their stuff?
Carol Coney
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:36:27 -0800
>I can't
>abide staying up until 12:15am
Mike, call in sick next time. HNIA's absolutely worth it!
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:33:54 -0800
>WE ARE NOT DOING
>BLONDIE RECORDS.
Whew! But, let's NOT start another early 80's thing here...
>THough I can't wait to hear Alanis singing on the next This
>Mortal Coil record..
Erm...
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:33:45 +0000
At 03:35 8/22/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>I saw the CD renting in Australia while I was there. Is that legal in the
>>states? I've never seen it here. As a matter of fact, I'd never heard of
>
>I tell you all how it work in Italy, and why I think is fair.
>
>it started some year ago as plain renting.
>
>then it was found out that it was illegal.
>
>good. so they don't rent cd. they *sell* cd. (of course obtaining this
>different commercial licence for these shops meant also paying more money to
>the same public authorities that were pressed from record companies to ban
>out renting... get what I mean?)
>
>they sell cd with a clause. you can evaluate the cd before you buy it, with
>no deposit, just a small fee, and if you don't think it suit your needs, you
>can bring it back, losing the fee.
This is a good idea, because not many stores can take back cd's customers
buy and then return simply because they don't like what they heard. Here in
the states, many indie record stores provide headphones and allow folks to
preview what they are interested in buying. Some of the bigger stores will
do this as well. (Blockbuster Music here in Atlanta suburbs will do that,
and now the folks who work there know my taste and even set aside "weird"
stuff for me to listen to when it comes into their hands!)
Also, here in the U.S. many libraries don't rent, but they LEND, cd's just
as they let patrons borrow their books. Of course I've never seen 4AD stuff
in my local library, but there is usually some nice jazz and classical, and
often some interesting (albeit mainstream) rock.
>I'll never risk bad surprises again, I'll always taste it before, as we say
>here about watermelons.
Do they really let you taste the watermelons in the markets in Italy, before
you buy them? Yum-yum! Lucky you! (What about the pizza?!!!)
Carol Coney
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:43:46 EDT
Jens Alfke's news that he is to set up an ethereal/wotsit list seems lik
good news to me. I've been on this list around a year now, and it seems to me
that the majority of major flame wars that erupt are basically of the old
4AD/new 4AD types. Personally I prefer these kind of lists to cover as broad a
church as possible, but it does seem that there is a very clear divide between
those who see 4AD's 'Golden' period as being around 83-86 with Cocteau Twins,
Xymox, DCD, TMC etc and those who believe that the label really found its feet
with the signing of the Muses/Pixies and welcome the nineties eclecticism.
Anyone who's read any of my drivel will know which side of the fence my feet are
planted on, but I'm not interested in reopening that debate. I think it's time
for a parting of the ways. Obviously there will be many people who feel as
comfortable with the old as they do the new - nobody is suggesting that the
lists should be mutually exclusive. But for those who consider the Cocteau Twins
to be totally irrelevant to anything in 1996, and those who consistently hate
everything 4AD puts out, being on the same list is bound to cause conflict - not
to mention overuse of the delete key.
- Dez
PS we get to keep Red Atkins, though.
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:57:35 GMT
Ian McCausland writes:
>>Curve have reformed, and have a new
>>single "Pink Girl with the Blues" released on Fat Lip Records on
>>September 2. We're promised a tour and album in 1997...
>
>I'll lay 5-to-1 odds they've gone all jungle on us. :)
I was kind of hoping we'd get to hear what Dean could do on his own.
Obviously Toni didn't seem to be getting anywhere.
>BTW, I was rereading old Sandman comics and wondering once again whether
>the idea for the song/title "Cuckoo" comes from the Sandman story "A
>Dream Of You" which involves a rather nasty supernatural entity by that
>name.
i wonder where they got the raw materials for Fait Accompli
or DoppelgAnger...
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:42:04 -0700
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2 things: are tix only available at the door? i have no problem
with buying them the days of the show {and i am going to both},
but if i could get them earlier it would be kool...AND, are they
doing an instore @ aron's as usual? i've heard nothing about an
la instore and i hope that's wrong...
*k*
Unless they changed their policy, you can buy tickets in advance at the =
club or charge it over the phone. There's a $1 fee for charges. =
They're no longer listing the hnia shows in their ads, but I hope they =
haven't already sold out. I know, I need to get my tix too.
I was just in Aron's this weekend and they didn't have anything on the =
board about a instore. Hope this helps a little.
Ron
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:51:23 -0700
I just got off the phone with Arcana books in Santa Monica and as we spoke
they we're opening the packaging of the Deluxe Editions of This Rimy River.
They have a limited number and when they are gone, they are gone. Vaughn
has assured them they will not reprint.
The only problem is they are about $50 to $60 dollars higher than getting it
from 4AD London. It seems that because of the extra work and expense in the
publication, this was the only way that they could get them was to pay a
little more for them.
Trickle down economics.
The cost is (gulp) $375 and another $10-20 for shipping, depending upon your
location.
They might also be getting the DCD tour booklets with the unreleased track.
Probably next week, I'll let you know.
There are only 400 of the Deluxe Rimy's, and we know what a mint "Lonely Is
An Eyesore" box is worth, don't we?
Arcana - Books On The Arts
1229 Third Street Promenade
Santa Monica, CA 90401
(310) 458-1499
fax (310) 458-9014
Layne
[email protected]