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Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 03:54:29 +0000
From: "James L. Napiorkowski Jr." (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: hnia tour dates
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 03:54:26 +0000
From: "James L. Napiorkowski Jr." (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 03:54:34 +0000
From: "James L. Napiorkowski Jr." (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:15:13 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ltd. This Rimy River: At Last!
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:46:42 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: If you DON'T like 4AD anymore, well...
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:45:50 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: If you DON'T like 4AD anymore, well...
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 02:22:37 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: cd prices
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:54:05 -0400
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:46:51 -0400
From: WhiteNoiseExpander (ebn@UMD.UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: If you DON'T like 4AD anymore, well...
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 03:22:39 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: hello fellow depaulian
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 02:47:10 -0600
From: shalamoomoo (joanna@HARDCORPS.ORG)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:52:36 -0700
From: girlyloop (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Babies make yer dumb
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:19:44 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: CD prices
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:00:20 -0700
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Babies make yer dumb
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:22:45 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: CD prices
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:27:59 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:16:59 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello fellow depaulian
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:30:09 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:17:45 -0400
From: j*mes t*ylor (valis@CC.CVU.CSSD.K12.VT.US)
Subject: Re: CD prices
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:39:58 -0400
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: (Non-list) Creation Records Question
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:33:50 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: (Non-list) Creation Records Question
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:00:33 -0400
From: Anthony Schwickerath (schwicke@PLINY.CS.UMASS.EDU)
Subject: This Rimy River Ltd. today!!!!!
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:33:39 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: Two "Friends" of Belly
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:00:20 -0700
From: terrence@n2.net (Terrence L. Borden)
Subject: Re: This Rimy River Ltd. today!!!!!
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:02:24 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Jagged Little Post
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:17:18 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Jagged Little Post
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:34:01 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Muses Bad?
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:32:20 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: If you DON'T like 4AD anymore, well...
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:48:21 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: If you DON'T like 4AD anymore, well...
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:01:52 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Babies make yer dumb
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:46:07 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Jagged Little Post
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:21:55 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: cd prices
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:06:20 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: His Name Is Alive Sept. 5th & 6th
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:13:44 -0500
From: MS VICTORIA M FAVELL (KSES56F@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: Re: Jagged Little Post
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:54:05 -0500
From: Mike Glader (glader@PRIMARY.NET)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:35:37 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: cd prices
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:39:00 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morrifuckingsette
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:32:56 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Babies make yer dumb
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:58:48 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: 500 Shaking Violanes
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:17:13 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Muses good!
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:09:11 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morrifuckingsette
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:04:44 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Jagged Little Post
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:12:08 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: extra Seattle Throwing Muses ticket
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:35:50 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Frank Black plays LA
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:38:59 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: mailings lists are us...
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:32:35 -0700
From: Jack Huynh (jack@NOVOMEDIA.COM)
Subject: Re: extra Seattle Throwing Muses ticket
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:33:02 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Re: cd prices
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:03:46 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Jagged Little Post
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:07:48 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Jagged Little freak out
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:21:17 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: hnia in la
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:00:24 -0700
From: girlyloop (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: LIQUORICE
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:15:58 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morrifuckingsette
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:14:09 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morrifuckingsette
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:28:41 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:03:20 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:02:59 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: 4AD Blondie? (Hey Rich H., try answering this one!)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:31:01 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: cd prices
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:16:52 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 23:04:19 -0400
From: j*mes t*ylor (valis@CC.CVU.CSSD.K12.VT.US)
Subject: Re: LIQUORICE
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 23:01:05 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 03:54:29 +0000
From: "James L. Napiorkowski Jr." (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.


At 11:41 AM 20/08/96 +0000, you wrote:
>        please repost davin's fax number. i yam eager
>        to git onna them 7" rekkids
>
>        dank
>


you can fax Davin @ timeSTEREO (c/o: The Record Collector) at:

1.810.473.9321

~  quis

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 03:54:26 +0000
From: "James L. Napiorkowski Jr." (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: hnia tour dates


At 06:03 PM 20/08/96 +0000, you wrote:
>well, i am gone from ypsi michigan and back in steamy tucson. i meanty to
>talk to trey again before i left, but alas he was not at home. what is
>the email for velour 100? trey told me a while back that they(hnia) may
>be playing at club congress in tucson prior to the tempe
>show, but i am not seeing it on ANY list.
>thanks to all who can render assistance. p
>sean
>
>------------
>Sean Devine
>tucson, az
>------------
>


although I don't know what access he has at the moment since technically
they should be "on the road", his e-mail address is:

velour100@aol.com

...what was that discussion so long ago about dumb AOLer's???  e??  ;)

~  quis

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 03:54:34 +0000
From: "James L. Napiorkowski Jr." (Quisquose@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.


At 03:53 PM 20/08/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>> his name is Dion Fischer...a really likeable chap.   awesome side project
>> with Wade known as "The OHMS"....science-noise stuff (really good! honest!)
>> get their first tape via timeSTEREO
>>
>
>I had the pleasure of playing a show with the OHMS at Zoot's a year or so
>ago and it was one crazy show. Dion is quite the inventive performer as
>some may know with the Symphony of Science and Sound shows he has also
>put on with members of Gravitar,Godzuki....
>
>
>>> i guess this makes up for their
>> >online mistake about his name is alive. when the brothers quay short films
>> came to the detroit institute of arts film theatre, they said that the
>> >quays show will feature london's his name is alive. they didn't even know
>> >muzik from their own backyard.
>>
>
>Well that little incident about the misprint can make up for all the
>times Warren has "forgotten" to mention specific people, record labels,
>and bands from around here when articles are done and questions are asked...
>
>

oh, please do vent somemore......just because someone's trifle little garage
label didn't get credit in a tiny local paper about it's only credible
release featuring hisnameisalive, is no reason to hold a grudge against
someone for so long, who didn't even have anything to do with the foul-up.
becoming a bit spiteful?

>> ...another show to follow in September at a book store
>>
> Possibly at the Book Beat at 9 Mile and Greenfield? Corey and the rest
>of the Destroy All Monsters crew have a lot in common with the PDM/Time
>Stereo guys so I figure that's where it will be. Davin's art is quite
>strange. I have two "CDs" that he made for PDM that consisted of him
>taking old CDs and breaking them and painting them and so on. Then he
>would be devious and put them out for sale at $10 a piece!! I actually
>bought them from him 4 years ago and he freaked out! (he gave me the
>other ones free after that).
>

well, you know... beauty (and the same could be said for art) is in the eye
of the beholder...either that or you're saying you are really gullible.


>grasshopper
>
>*****************************************************************************
>The deadliest of weapons created by the Shaolin to attack the nervous
>system and break down all willpower rendering the victim stupid. The
>first sonic disease experiment. We are <> For a free
>catalog of releases and other tasty noisy bits write to:
>
>                Shaolin Temple 2232 Nalone Wixom, Michigan 48393
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  ROCK OF AGES . 31015 FORD ROAD . GARDEN CITY, MI 48135 USA . 313/522-4590
>             ++THE MOST COMPLETE LINE OF ROCK 'N ROLL MERCHANDISE++
>******************************************************************************
>

...and I don't know exactly how much control you have over inventory, but I
found your selection pretty bleak.  Oh sure, you got NKotB buttons and
stickers, but no Muses' :Shark" ep yet??   only one hnia CD in the 'H'
section without it's own heading...  I know the Record Collector supports
Jennifer Wolski... shouldn't the same be said of Rock of Ages for timeSTEREO
and at the very least HNIA??

~  quis

(who himself is done venting.........................)


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:15:13 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!


> the mystery parade wrote:
>
> > Consider this revenge on Canada for giving us Alanis Morissette!
>
> Before you go making Alanis jokes, remember that 4AD is signing Alanis to
> a six album deal.  In fact, Ivo is ressurecting This Mortal Coil so that
> Alanis can be a featured vocalist!  A 4AD promo 12" has already been
> released (ALANIS 1) that features demo versions of "Hand In My Pocket"
> with additional remixing by Martyn Young of Colourbox!!  The promo 12" I
> received has a deluxe cloth carrying case with six v23 art prints.
>
> Jeff Keibel
> Toronto, ON
> CANADA
> redshift@interlog.com
>

you are a cruel, cruel person.

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:46:42 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Ltd. This Rimy River: At Last!


>Any design faws?

No, Emiel, no faws. :)

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:45:50 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: If you DON'T like 4AD anymore, well...


>That said, I'd like to report that Ivo has named me
>as the new CEO of 4AD, and my first actions will be
>to sack 2/3 of the current roster, forget I ever heard
>about the Jive Bombers, invite the Cocteau Twins back,
>release the new Xymox album, sign all the local bands
>you always see me going on about, give the members of
>Dif Juz a ton of money to get back together, license
>all of Virginia Astley's material for worldwide
>release, and find out what the heck Caroline Crawley
>is up to these days.

There MUST be enough interest in starting a breakaway "ethereal music" list
for those who yearn for the old days and hate the bulk of the current 4AD
roster! Please!

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 02:22:37 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET) Who would you get rid of? I like the current roster very much, actually... matt At 06:25 PM 8/20/96 -0700, you wrote: > >That said, I'd like to report that Ivo has named me >as the new CEO of 4AD, and my first actions will be >to sack 2/3 of the current roster, forget I ever heard >about the Jive Bombers, invite the Cocteau Twins back, >release the new Xymox album, sign all the local bands >you always see me going on about, give the members of >Dif Juz a ton of money to get back together, license >all of Virginia Astley's material for worldwide >release, and find out what the heck Caroline Crawley >is up to these days. > >By the way, that was a joke... > >| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes >| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies >| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard | >| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html > >

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:54:05 -0400
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: cd prices


> anyway, a price lift of 25%.  yes, TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT.
>
> I save you from the bullshit record companies (or their distributors) told
> to justify the increase.  something like we're working to give you a better
> service.
>
> could a similar situation happen in your countries?  and what if?

Well, I work at a record store and I've seen the cost prices go up twice.
In other words, we raised our prices because the labels raised theirs.
The other thing I've seen lately is an increase in "screw-the-public"
policies adopted by the labels.  My favorite is that some labels, such as
Polygram, now refuse to take back defective product because, they claim,
there's no such thing.  We, at the store, have been accepting defective
items because we know there are, in existence,  defective CDs.  It's
really easy for them to make those policies while it's the people at the
stores who get yelled at.  We're doing our best to get people to write to
these labels and tell them how they feel about the policy but you have to
get them in their pocketbooks to make any sort of difference.

I saw the CD renting in Australia while I was there.  Is that legal in the
states?  I've never seen it here.  As a matter of fact, I'd never heard of
it til I went overseas and, at first, I was absolutely thrilled that I
found a place selling CDs at $5 a piece...then I figured out they were
renting them.  I guess the closest thing we have as a protest to that over
here is selling used CDs.  There are other problems people associate with
this though like the idea that money is taken from the artists, not the
corporations.  The consumer or the artist seems to pay the price.  Music
clubs?  They pose a whole different group of problems in themselves.

Everyone wants to take what they can get.

Jill

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:46:51 -0400
From: WhiteNoiseExpander (ebn@UMD.UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.


On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, James L. Napiorkowski Jr. wrote:

> >
> >
> >>> i guess this makes up for their
> >> >online mistake about his name is alive. when the brothers quay short films
> >> came to the detroit institute of arts film theatre, they said that the
> >> >quays show will feature london's his name is alive. they didn't even know
> >> >muzik from their own backyard.
> >>
> >
> >Well that little incident about the misprint can make up for all the
> >times Warren has "forgotten" to mention specific people, record labels,
> >and bands from around here when articles are done and questions are asked...
> >
> >
>
> oh, please do vent somemore......just because someone's trifle little garage
> label didn't get credit in a tiny local paper about it's only credible
> release featuring hisnameisalive, is no reason to hold a grudge against
> someone for so long, who didn't even have anything to do with the foul-up.
> becoming a bit spiteful?
>

I wasn't referring so much to our dealings with TIMEstereo and I could
really care less about us not getting accredited for the release. And it
has more to do with those people who Warren DID not credit in the Metro
Times article who were not very happy with the the things written. It's
just common knowledge to some of us around here the certain credits
weren't given where credit should have been in various articles. And
despite how you view us a trifle "garage" label that is your own view and
business. We may not be huge but we are recognized: just not by the
little noise clique you follow from the Michigan area....

 >>another show to follow in September at a book store
> >>
> > Possibly at the Book Beat at 9 Mile and Greenfield? Corey and the rest
> >of the Destroy All Monsters crew have a lot in common with the PDM/Time
> >Stereo guys so I figure that's where it will be. Davin's art is quite
> >strange. I have two "CDs" that he made for PDM that consisted of him
> >taking old CDs and breaking them and painting them and so on. Then he
> >would be devious and put them out for sale at $10 a piece!! I actually
> >bought them from him 4 years ago and he freaked out! (he gave me the
> >other ones free after that).
> >
>
> well, you know... beauty (and the same could be said for art) is in the eye
> of the beholder...either that or you're saying you are really gullible.
>
>
 I never said I criticized the art done by Davin for shit's sake... I
bought the CDs from Davin to support Time Stereo before it became more
well known. Davin, Kenny and Warren know that so I have no need to
justify that too you...

> >grasshopper
> >
> >*****************************************************************************
> >The deadliest of weapons created by the Shaolin to attack the nervous
> >system and break down all willpower rendering the victim stupid. The
> >first sonic disease experiment. We are <> For a free
> >catalog of releases and other tasty noisy bits write to:
> >
> >                Shaolin Temple 2232 Nalone Wixom, Michigan 48393
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  ROCK OF AGES . 31015 FORD ROAD . GARDEN CITY, MI 48135 USA . 313/522-4590
> >             ++THE MOST COMPLETE LINE OF ROCK 'N ROLL MERCHANDISE++
> >*****************************************************************************

> >

> ...and I don't know exactly how much control you have over inventory, but I
> found your selection pretty bleak.  Oh sure, you got NKotB buttons and
> stickers, but no Muses' :Shark" ep yet??   only one hnia CD in the 'H'
> section without it's own heading...  I know the Record Collector supports
> Jennifer Wolski... shouldn't the same be said of Rock of Ages for timeSTEREO
> and at the very least HNIA??
>
> ~  quis
>
> (who himself is done venting.........................)
>

Just because the store I work at does not have the "cool" things you
would like to see gives you know reason to give me shit for advertising
where I work. The type of things that sell at Record Collector and where
I work our 100% different and anyone who has been to both stores knows
that. For us to carry Time Stereo cassettes is just a waste of tapes for
Davin since he knows they would not sell at that specific record store.
Just because we do not carry TIME stereo stuff does not mean I don't
support them. I have been buying from Record Collector and Time Stereo
for well over 6 years and I know where my support is at. Davin has always
been a great support to our band as have I to Time Stereo and again I
have no need to justify any of that to you....

grasshopper

*****************************************************************************
The deadliest of weapons created by the Shaolin to attack the nervous
system and break down all willpower rendering the victim stupid. The
first sonic disease experiment. We are <> For a free
catalog of releases and other tasty noisy bits write to:

                Shaolin Temple 2232 Nalone Wixom, Michigan 48393
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  ROCK OF AGES . 31015 FORD ROAD . GARDEN CITY, MI 48135 USA . 313/522-4590
             ++THE MOST COMPLETE LINE OF ROCK 'N ROLL MERCHANDISE++
******************************************************************************

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 03:22:39 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: If you DON'T like 4AD anymore, well...


AMEN!




>There MUST be enough interest in starting a breakaway "ethereal music" list
>for those who yearn for the old days and hate the bulk of the current 4AD
>roster! Please!
>
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>t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
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>                  tmp@earthlink.net
>===================================
>
>


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 02:47:10 -0600
From: shalamoomoo (joanna@HARDCORPS.ORG)
Subject: Re: hello fellow depaulian


it's me! screamed effortlessly into the big black void:
>         is that a drum machine? if you havent already,
>         GO BUY LISTENING CAP (that is, if you like hnia)!
>         track 10 is the ultra-warrengoodies.  priceless,
>         and even pricelesser if you have surround sound
>         and a little doobage...
>

huh huh he said doobage huh huh

>         dan k
>         who also recommends a whack band called LUSTMORD

better yet i recommend brian lustmord and robert rich's _stalker_, even
better if you have a *loud* stereo and some fungus...

        .j.
        who also recommends a wack band called outland 2

---
joanna@hardcorps.org
live each second as if it was your last.

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:52:36 -0700
From: girlyloop (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.


> >Well that little incident about the misprint can make up for all the
> >times Warren has "forgotten" to mention specific people, record labels,
> >and bands from around here when articles are done and questions are asked...
>
> oh, please do vent somemore......just because someone's trifle little garage
> label didn't get credit in a tiny local paper about it's only credible
> release featuring hisnameisalive, is no reason to hold a grudge against
> someone for so long, who didn't even have anything to do with the foul-up.
> becoming a bit spiteful?

  i see a bad can of worms being opened in the very near future...

> only one hnia CD in the 'H'
> section without it's own heading...  I know the Record Collector supports
> Jennifer Wolski... shouldn't the same be said of Rock of Ages for timeSTEREO
> and at the very least HNIA??

  ....yep...a really awful, stinky, gross can of worms...i think i'll go hide
  and plug my nose....


  everyone run for the hills,
  *k*


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:19:44 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Babies make yer dumb

              

Rob wrote:

>I agree with you about throwing muses.  I like them so much better with
>langston and donelly. Throwing muses has gotten horribly boring. (it must be
>all those babies she keeps having)..
>          "motherhood means Mental freeze!"

Ooh ooh, I object to that.  On the other hand, my wife says her brain just
switched off during the latter stages of pregnancy and the first few months
of our daughter's life.  When she did get to talk with anyone it seems that
nappies were the prime topic.  Hardly the sort of stuff that inspires great
thinking or great song lyrics.  Maybe Kristin should just let go and write
about diapers :-).

But ... once those first few brain numbing months are over, I get the
impression that motherhood often leads to many and varied new perspectives
that I, personally, am very happy to be exposed to through song lyrics.

Maybe it all depends on personal circumstances, I would guess that you,
Rob, aren't a dad.  A number of people round here have criticized Liz's
Four Calendar Cafe lyrics as being so much explicit therapy mumbo-jumbo.  I
was actually fascinated by these new lyrics, having been through some sort
of therapy myself.  Unfortunately I couldn't stomach what seemed to me to
be very dull music though!

Simon Hughes

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:00:20 -0700
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: CD prices


> Re: CD prices
>
> Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
> Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:28:28 -0700
>
> As another example, why do CD singles cost less than full-length
> albums? (Ditto for 12" singles vs. LPs.) The manufacturing cost is the
> same, the only difference is that you can charge the consumer more for an
> album because they get more music.

or, conversely, why aren't albums as cheap as singles? today's melody maker
has an ad in the back offering 1000 cds for 1150 pounds (plus vat) which
makes them about, well, less than a pound fifty each. (yes, i now there are
other costs involved, artwork, 'a & r' but still). i've seen the prices that
shops buy the cds for and they were (it was about a year ago) in the region
of 8 quid which i make 4 or 5 pounds pure profit, per unit.

matt from sarah records recently pointed out that 1000 vinyl lps costs more
to press than 1000 cds these days yet they're still 4 pounds or so cheaper
in the shops. (btw sarah did and shinkansen do sell their cds mail order for
9 pounds)

also, cds in england go for about 13 pounds (or, increasingly, 15), in
america the same cds cost 13 dollars or so (i believe) which is 50% cheaper.
why?

> This is all just Economics 101 stuff...

well, yes, but don't tell me record company greed doesn't come into it as
well. or the effects of monopolies.

all this just kinda narks me. i know that if cds were a more reasonable 10
quid each (say) i'd probably end up buying more of them because i'd be
willing to take a gamble on things it looked like i might enjoy whereas at 13
quid a throw i only buy what i'm pretty sure about.

and, yep, cd prices are even more expensive elsewhere, i know that.

andy
--
a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk
baboon, baboon, baboon, baboon...

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:22:45 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Babies make yer dumb

              Aug 21, 96 09:19:44 am

 Simon Hughes  wrote on Wed, 21 Aug 1996
 (Subject: Babies make yer dumb)
 > Rob wrote:
 >
 > > I agree with you about throwing muses.  I like them so much
 > > better with langston and donelly.  Throwing muses has gotten
 > > horribly boring.  (it must be all those babies she keeps
 > > having)..  "motherhood means Mental freeze!"
 >
 > Ooh ooh, I object to that.

 I think the change in the Muses can't be simply blamed on Kristin's
 fecundity.  The "mark 1" Muses had an interesting blend of talents -
 Kristin was a lot wilder (and I can't say I'd want her to go back to
 having severe mental problems just to make her song composition more
 interesting), Tanya gave a sweeter, more conventional angle, Leslie's
 bass playing was far more interesting than either of the subsequent
 bass players, and David's drumming was more rigid - which made it
 better in the context of the other musicians.  He is probably a
 "better" drummer these days, but less individual.  Also, much of the
 recent stuff is predictable - verse, chorus, verse, none of those
 sudden moments when the songs would collapse and hurtle off in another
 direction.  Early TM records seemed to be much more a collaboration
 between four individuals, whereas the new stuff is a saner, more
 mainstream Kristin with two backing musicians.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 21/08/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Pulp - His 'n' Hers


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:27:59 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: CD prices

              96 10:00:20 am

 "A. Dean"  wrote on Wed, 21 Aug 1996
 (Subject: Re: CD prices)
 > > Re: CD prices
 > >
 > > Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM) Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:28:28 -0700
 > >
 > > As another example, why do CD singles cost less than full-length
 > > albums? (Ditto for 12" singles vs.  LPs.) The manufacturing cost
 > > is the same, the only difference is that you can charge the
 > > consumer more for an album because they get more music.

 The record company does have to pay artists extra royalties on albums,
 plus extra money for the music publishers, but that's going to be a
 tiny amount compared to the overall price difference.

 > or, conversely, why aren't albums as cheap as singles? today's
 > melody maker has an ad in the back offering 1000 cds for 1150
 > pounds (plus vat) which makes them about, well, less than a pound
 > fifty each.  (yes, i now there are other costs involved, artwork,
 > 'a & r' but still).  i've seen the prices that shops buy the cds
 > for and they were (it was about a year ago) in the region of 8 quid
 > which i make 4 or 5 pounds pure profit, per unit.

 Then the shop has to pay rent, wages, VAT and so on.  Mr Our Price is
 not putting 4 or 5 pounds (or 7 given Our Price's prices) into his
 filthy capitalist pocket.

 > all this just kinda narks me.  i know that if cds were a more
 > reasonable 10 quid each (say) i'd probably end up buying more of
 > them because i'd be willing to take a gamble on things it looked
 > like i might enjoy whereas at 13 quid a throw i only buy what i'm
 > pretty sure about.

 Compulsion's new album is about nine quid on CD, Scheer's was selling
 for about the same amount in the first few weeks of its release -
 companies *can* sell albums cheaply if they want to persuade people to
 take a chance.  Or maybe it's just Irish punk/pop bands...

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 21/08/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Pulp - His 'n' Hers


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:16:59 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff


On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, shar everett clipped this bit of provocation:
>
>  (it must be all those babies she keeps having)..
> >>         "motherhood means Mental freeze!"
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
>

And went on to remark:

> yeah and what would you know about motherhood ROB!
> what kind of freaky, stupid remark is that?
>


        the dumbassedness of rob's comment seemed
        to make it necessary for me to clip it
        and add to the flames. i hope that, and
        dont doubt that rob was being flippant
        and/or facetious (sp?). but if not,
        my pregnant wife and i will add to the
        resounding chorus of 'fuck off's directed
        rob's way...


        dan k

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:30:09 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: hello fellow depaulian


On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, shalamoomoo wrote:

>
> better yet i recommend brian lustmord and robert rich's _stalker_, even
> better if you have a *loud* stereo and some fungus...
>

        please relay more info as to _stalker_ i.e. is this
        the band's name or the name of a LUSTMORD record,
        label, cat # etc...

        cuz i just so happen to have the equipment mentioned above


        dan k
        who once again will plug Lustmord's _Heresy_ lp to the
        stoners in the audience. I dunno if one could properly
        endure the long silences between primordial grumblings
        on this lp without some xtra concentration powers


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:17:45 -0400
From: j*mes t*ylor (valis@CC.CVU.CSSD.K12.VT.US)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff


On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Robert Dunkin wrote:

> Well really the only muses album i find horribly boring is University. Im
> glad the new album is a lot better..
>

Huh. University is the one album I never get bored with. Like, Hunkpapa,
Real Ramona, TM, Fat Skier, house Tornado, they all get a bit annoying
after a while, But university is good over and over and over. I wish the
new albbum were more like it (or any of their other good albums for that
matter)


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:39:58 -0400
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: CD prices


To show how low CDs *can* be sold for, and still make a profic, Naxos, a
classical label, records NEW material (ie new performances) and is able to
sell them for around $5. Of course these aren't "name" classical
performers, but the performances have to be pretty decent to sell, and
reviews of the discs are generally positive.

Since performers of classical music don't have quite the "monopoly" aspect
that popular music does, it works well for Naxos. (Of course most
newly-recorded classical music costs regular CD prices on other labels.)
So anything beyond the fact that we're paying for the "honor" of having a
specific performance on a specific format doesn't really hold up.

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:33:50 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: (Non-list) Creation Records Question


I've been out of the "music scene" for a while, so I have a question regarding
Creation records that may have already been answered a long time ago.  I
recently bought a US compilation (Patron Saint of Teenage) of rare Creatyion
stuff.  In the liner notes, it said that Creation/Tristar (a SOny/Columbia)
offshoot would be releasing (in upwards of a hundred CD's!) all kinds Creation
stuff in the US.  This compilation was from '93.  It's '96 and I've never seen
one Tristar/Creation release in the US.  Did the deal get canned or just moved?
It seemed too good to be true, anyhow......


Barry


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:00:33 -0400
From: Anthony Schwickerath (schwicke@PLINY.CS.UMASS.EDU)
Subject: Re: (Non-list) Creation Records Question

              96 08:33:50 am

> I recently bought a US compilation (Patron Saint of
> Teenage) of rare Creatyion stuff.  In the liner notes, it said that
> Creation/Tristar (a SOny/Columbia) offshoot would be releasing (in
> upwards of a hundred CD's!) all kinds Creation stuff in the US.
> This compilation was from '93.  It's '96 and I've never seen one
> Tristar/Creation release in the US.

well, i picked up the jazz butcher conspiracy's "waiting for the
lovebus" on creation/tristar (us), so i guess they did.  i'm not sure
where it sits now, though, or what else they have released. - drew


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:33:39 +0200
From: Huite Rietveld (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: This Rimy River Ltd. today!!!!!


No joke: I just had a call from 4AD, saying the Limited Edition of TRR
will be shipped TODAY!

But...

There's a postal-strike in the UK, tomorrow.

I think TRR is cursed!

It all fits, doesn't it ;)
I expect at Alma rd they've been waiting for the next strike to come...

Really, this is NO joke.

Sincerely,

Huite


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:00:20 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Two "Friends" of Belly


>From thew ever-so-busy Belly mailing list...

From: terrence@n2.net (Terrence L. Borden) To: belly@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu I'm not sure if I'm responding to the correct person about the Friends II soundtrack. Regardless, I talked to a man at Warner Bros/Reprise Records today about the release date of said soundtrack. He informed me that a Friends II soundtrack project is in the works but that no artists or songs have been comfired. The project doesn't even have a set release date. Does anybody have any additional information? Thanks... -- Jeff Keibel Toronto, ON CANADA redshift@interlog.com

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:02:24 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: This Rimy River Ltd. today!!!!!


>TRR will be shipped TODAY!

Great, this means that it probably takes another month to get here (in my hands)


>postal-strike in the UK, tomorrow.

So the packages can be ruined by mad boys and girls at the postoffice...



Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, August 21, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl
... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:17:18 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Jagged Little Post


>A new 4AD version of "Jagged Little Pill" (a la "Happiness") will be
>issued with all those tasty Ivo remixes which have been floating around
>on the ALANIS 2 and ALANIS 5 promo 12"-ers for the last four months.

All right all right, but will there be any nude-photography on the sleeves?


>a Spirea X cover band will also play the show...

Didn't they also support the '94 This Mortal Coil tour?



Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, August 21, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl






















Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:34:01 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Jagged Little Post


Brant wroted:

> Oh, come on! Did anyone REALLY believe that post from Jeff "trickster"
> Keibel about Alanis and 4AD?

Well, I arrived home to check my e-mail today and instead the usual
amount of letters waiting, there were dozens of extras asking about the
status of my Alanis post.  I was amazed at the response to the post and
I'm sorry to have caused anyone stress over the truth/falseness of that
aforementioned posting.

I just got off the phone with 4AD (Ivo answered! He was covering Robin
Hurley during his lunch break) and have confirmed that Alanis is most
definitely on 4AD.  Her old label, Madonna's Maverick imprint, said they
would rather try break The Rentals instead.

A new 4AD version of "Jagged Little Pill" (a la "Happiness") will be
issued with all those tasty Ivo remixes which have been floating around
on the ALANIS 2 and ALANIS 5 promo 12"-ers for the last four months.

Alanis will perform at 4AD's 17 Year Itch celebrations to be held in Big
Timber, Montana next April.  In addition to Alanis, The Jive Bombers and
a Spirea X cover band will also play the show...

Again, sorry for all the commotion and I'm just glad to have had the
chance to confirm it all!

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:32:20 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Muses Bad?


Wow, if there was one band that had integrity far above anyone else's I
thought it was the Muses.  Bernie is a much more dynamic and technical
bassist and for christ's sake he can groove like nobody's business.  David is
still the best drummer in rock music.  Though sometimes I do miss the
cymbal-less drumming of the early days.  And Kristin?  I think she should be
beyond criticsim.  You are talking about one of the most credible and
dedicated artists around.  She makes music and that is all.  She won't sell
out her art.  If there is anyone who could write a hit single, it is Kristin.
 One song is all it would take , but she refuses to do it.  She does not play
"Dizzzy" anymore because it is probably the only formula song she ever wrote.
 Finally, to say that babies and her "mental state" have "ruined" her music
is not only wrong, it is also downright cold and heartless.  I am sure having
a baby would be the most profound moment in life, I would think it would only
stimulate thought and introspection.  Until that day happens to me I don't
think I can really comment on the effect it would have, except that I am sure
it would be enlightening


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:48:21 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: If you DON'T like 4AD anymore, well...


Mystery parade Wrote:

>There MUST be enough interest in starting a breakaway "ethereal music" list
>for those who yearn for the old days and hate the bulk of the current 4AD
>roster! Please!

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. I'm with you all the way here. Let the
nostalgists go be nostalgic elsewhere.

- Dez

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:01:52 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: If you DON'T like 4AD anymore, well...


the mystery parade begs:
>There MUST be enough interest in starting a breakaway "ethereal music" list
>for those who yearn for the old days and hate the bulk of the current 4AD
>roster! Please!

Believe me, I'm waiting breathlessly for my ISP to get Majordomo set up
as they've been promising for months. As soon as this happens I plan to
start a swirly/ etherial/ ambient/ noise list so us ol' crusties can
vacate these here premises and leave 4AD-L to those who are fans of the
current mainstream product.

I've been waiting fruitlessly for about two months now. The people who
run my ISP are bozos. Anyone else have convenient access to a list server?

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:46:07 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Babies make yer dumb


Andrew Norman sagely notes:
> Also, much of the
> recent stuff is predictable - verse, chorus, verse, none of those
> sudden moments when the songs would collapse and hurtle off in another
> direction.

That in a nutshell is why TM stopped being interesting, to my ears,
around 1989. What makes "Throwing Muses", "Chains Changed" and even much
of "The Fat Skier" so gripping is the way the songs will suddenly flip
over and turn around; it's like they packed enough ideas into one
4-minute song to fill an ordinary album. Somewhere around "House Tornado"
or "Hunkpapa" they seemed to lose that.

>(and I can't say I'd want her to go back to
> having severe mental problems just to make her song composition more
> interesting)

That's a horrible dilemma, isn't it? The choice between stagnation and
someone else's suffering. But there does seem to be a subtype of artist
that draws much of his/her inspiration from mental illness, usually
manic-depression. Oliver Sacks' latest book ("An Anthropologist On Mars")
has some interesting musings  on this.

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:21:55 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Jagged Little Post


you are truly twisted jeff.


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:06:20 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: cd prices


Jill Burkart asks:
>I saw the CD renting in Australia while I was there.  Is that legal in the
>states?

I very much doubt so; the US recording industry has enough political
clout to keep it illegal. The movie industry fought against video rentals
for years, and far fewer people have the equipment to copy videocassettes.

However, some chains like Tower allow you to return a CD within 30 days
(with receipt) for full credit. This is the only reason I still shop at
Tower at all; I know I can take a chance with things I might not like.
CA, not a chain-wide policy. Ask at your store before you buy dozens of
"trial" CDs...)
Also I make it a point _not_ to keep tapes of anything I return. Piracy =
theft.

andy asks:
>also, cds in england go for about 13 pounds (or, increasingly, 15), in
>america the same cds cost 13 dollars or so (i believe) which is 50% cheaper.
>why?

_Everything_ is more expensive in Europe than in the US, which is the
really sad thing about us Yanks vacationing abroad. You get used to just
accepting the local numbers and not trying to convert them back into
dollars, or you'll just huddle in your hotel room without buying anything.
Some of this is just currency valuations; the dollar's been pretty weak
over the past decade. Some of it is that things really are more
the levels of inefficiency and graft many, mostly southern, European
countries suffer with) don't come cheap. For example, sales tax in most
American cities is usually between 5% and 9%, as opposed to the British
VAT which is, what, 18% or so?

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:13:44 -0500
From: MS VICTORIA M FAVELL (KSES56F@PRODIGY.COM)
Subject: His Name Is Alive Sept. 5th & 6th


I heard that the Luna Park shows are going to be 21 and over. Can
somebody confirm this ?


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:54:05 -0500
From: Mike Glader (glader@PRIMARY.NET)
Subject: Re: Jagged Little Post


Hey - this Alanis thing is absolutely true...Madonna dropped the only
person to make LOTS of money for her label.  Madonna said she had enough
money and didn't need anymore. She wanted to pursue signing more obscure
artists like the Cranes....

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:35:37 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff


 Obviously Dan K, Fatherhood means Mental Freeze as WELL!


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:39:00 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: cd prices


 Yep, prices are still going up in the US as well :( People cannot stand for
this.. Once people stop buying the cds, then the prices will go down. BUt if
people blindly accept the price increase nothing will come out of it but MORE
price increases.

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:32:56 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morrifuckingsette


please tell me this is a sick joke


> Before you go making Alanis jokes, remember that 4AD is signing Alanis to
> a six album deal.  In fact, Ivo is ressurecting This Mortal Coil so that
> Alanis can be a featured vocalist!  A 4AD promo 12" has already been
> released (ALANIS 1) that features demo versions of "Hand In My Pocket"
> with additional remixing by Martyn Young of Colourbox!!  The promo 12" I
> received has a deluxe cloth carrying case with six v23 art prints.
>
> Jeff Keibel
> Toronto, ON
> CANADA
> redshift@interlog.com
>

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:58:48 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: Babies make yer dumb


Ummm...have we forgotten that Kristin was pregnant when Throwing Muses
released their first and best CD in 1986??  If anything, maybe being
pregnant helps your song writing, I wouldn't know, I'm not pregant yet...and
my song writing still sucks.


Matt

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:17:13 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: 500 Shaking Violanes


I just visted my local Tower shop and noticed the had about 10 or 12 of
each of the "500 (shake Baby Shake)" EP's.  They also had a Brit Pop
section set up with bands like Oasis and "Trainspotting" soundtracks.
Mixed in to this Brit Pop section is both "Violane" CD's!   Yeah, Tower!!

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:09:11 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Muses good!


I think the bottom line is this:  Sure, we all miss the Muses of old.  Back
then, and still today I guess, their music was something new...incredible
playing, song writing...it was totally new and blew a lot of people away.
But, they have changed.  Not only members, but music styles, etc..  I think
Kristin is a genius, no matter if she's pregnant, hung over, whatever!  I
think "Limbo", in my honest opinion, is the best album since their self
titled one....so why argue???  They are a great band...if the newer stuff
doesn't suite you well...just wait unitl January to get the double CD of the
1985 cassette and Chains Changed and all that good stuff....


MAtt

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:04:44 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morrifuckingsette


At 3:32 PM 8/21/96, Joseph Burns wrote:
>please tell me this is a sick joke
>
>
>> Before you go making Alanis jokes, remember that 4AD is signing Alanis to
>> a six album deal.  In fact, Ivo is ressurecting This Mortal Coil so that
>> Alanis can be a featured vocalist!  A 4AD promo 12" has already been
>> released (ALANIS 1) that features demo versions of "Hand In My Pocket"
>> with additional remixing by Martyn Young of Colourbox!!  The promo 12" I
>> received has a deluxe cloth carrying case with six v23 art prints.
>>
>> Jeff Keibel
>> Toronto, ON
>> CANADA
>> redshift@interlog.com
>>

hey, I know it isn't April.

Fred

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:12:08 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Jagged Little Post


shar everett wrote:

> You are truly twisted jeff.

But - you mean that in the nicest way possible, right???

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:35:50 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: extra Seattle Throwing Muses ticket


If anyone would like to buy my TM ticket for thursday's show at the Crocodile
cafe, i'll sell it for $5.  Contact me via e-mail (cz@u.washington.edu) or phone
(860-1393).

-cz

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:38:59 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Frank Black plays LA


If anyone still cares about the guy,
Frank Black is playing at the Alligator Lounge
this Friday.

Could be good... could be terrible.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:32:35 -0700
From: Jack Huynh (jack@NOVOMEDIA.COM)
Subject: mailings lists are us...


>
>Believe me, I'm waiting breathlessly for my ISP to get Majordomo set up
>as they've been promising for months. As soon as this happens I plan to
>start a swirly/ etherial/ ambient/ noise list so us ol' crusties can
>vacate these here premises and leave 4AD-L to those who are fans of the
>current mainstream product.
>
>I've been waiting fruitlessly for about two months now. The people who
>run my ISP are bozos. Anyone else have convenient access to a list server?
>
actually, i have a mac listserv running for the cocteau twins discussion
and news mailing list. all i would need is another pop account and it
wouldn't be too difficult to set up a third list. it has most of the
capabilities of a unix listserv (digests and the like). unless the traffic
is really really bad, i believe my 7200 mac can handle the adminstration.

so, a plug for the cocteau twins mailing list...

subscription addess: ctadmin@dharma.firstcomm.com
in the body: subscribe cocteau-list _your name_

also accepts set digest  and unsubscribe commands.

4ad obit: anyone else see the house painters last nite at berkeley square?
i don't know why they play there but the venue sucks and it was one of the
worst shows ever (as mark pointed out). any other thoughts?


jack huynh
jack@novomedia.com                       http://www.cocteautwins.com


'i used to be indecisive. now i am not so sure.'


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:33:02 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Re: extra Seattle Throwing Muses ticket


Hey, Brett Here--

Is it a 21+ show, because my sister lives in Capitol Hill area and she's
20, so I need to know this bit of info.

LAter cz.

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:03:46 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: cd prices


At 3:39 PM 8/21/96, Robert Dunkin wrote:
> Yep, prices are still going up in the US as well :( People cannot stand for
>this.. Once people stop buying the cds, then the prices will go down. BUt if
>people blindly accept the price increase nothing will come out of it but MORE
>price increases.

Your absolutely correct.  This is a luxury item. If you say "nada" to the
price increases, then the message will be heard. Protesting is also
helpful.  The question is, can you stop buying CDs for a year? What I do is
wait for demo releases in the use bin and in general, buy cds used. I
cannot afford 15.99 for a cd. My price point is 9.98 used, 12.98 new. After
that, forget it.


Fred Collins

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:07:48 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Jagged Little Post


>But - you mean that in the nicest way possible, right???


of course...
you've given people quite a scare i must say...
oh well i guess this list needs a good shake once in a while...


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:21:17 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Jagged Little freak out


come on
stop the propaganda...


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:00:24 -0700
From: girlyloop (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: hnia in la


  2 things: are tix only available at the door? i have no problem
  with buying them the days of the show {and i am going to both},
  but if i could get them earlier it would be kool...AND, are they
  doing an instore @ aron's as usual? i've heard nothing about an
  la instore and i hope that's wrong...

  *k*

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:15:58 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: LIQUORICE


what can you all tell me about liquorice??
how long have they been on 4ad and what have they released?

anyone?
anyone?

Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:14:09 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morrifuckingsette


>A 4AD promo 12" has already been
>released (ALANIS 1) that features demo versions of "Hand In My Pocket"
>with additional remixing by Martyn Young of Colourbox!!  The promo 12" I
> received has a deluxe cloth carrying case with six v23 art prints.

Hey Jeff, are you interested in trading this for an Heidi Berry 'Miracle' LP
innerbag?
Please reply by private e-mail!

Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:28:41 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Alainis Morrifuckingsette


>please tell me this is a sick joke
>
>
>> Before you go making Alanis jokes, remember that 4AD is signing Alanis to
>> a six album deal.  In fact, Ivo is ressurecting This Mortal Coil so that
>> Alanis can be a featured vocalist!  A 4AD promo 12" has already been
>> released (ALANIS 1) that features demo versions of "Hand In My Pocket"
>> with additional remixing by Martyn Young of Colourbox!!  The promo 12" I
>> received has a deluxe cloth carrying case with six v23 art prints.
>>
>> Jeff Keibel
>> Toronto, ON
>> CANADA
>> redshift@interlog.com
>>

C'mon Jeff! MORE sarcasm!

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:03:20 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!


> Are you serious about 4AD signing alanis to 6 albums??
> Or was that a joke.
>

sheesh

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:02:59 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!


> On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Robert Dunkin wrote:
>
> > Are you serious about 4AD signing alanis to 6 albums??
> > Or was that a joke.
> >
>
> and a new TMC with her featured. WHAT ?!?!?. Who would back her? She's so
> non, well, um, thislistie ?
>
> hmm.... alanis / deal
>
> alanis / raymonde / guthrie / ivo
>
> alanis / sharp
>
> noope. desn;t click.
>

i cant believe this

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:31:01 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: 4AD Blondie? (Hey Rich H., try answering this one!)


I read in a Scheer article that their cover of "Hanging On The Telephone"
was to be part of a 4AD Blondie album! Was Audrey serious???

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:16:52 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: cd prices


> At 3:39 PM 8/21/96, Robert Dunkin wrote:
> > Yep, prices are still going up in the US as well :( People cannot stand for
> >this.. Once people stop buying the cds, then the prices will go down. BUt if
> >people blindly accept the price increase nothing will come out of it but MORE
> >price increases.
>
> Your absolutely correct.  This is a luxury item. If you say "nada" to the
> price increases, then the message will be heard. Protesting is also
> helpful.  The question is, can you stop buying CDs for a year? What I do is
> wait for demo releases in the use bin and in general, buy cds used. I
> cannot afford 15.99 for a cd. My price point is 9.98 used, 12.98 new. After
> that, forget it.
>
>
> Fred Collins
>

where the hell are you people shopping in the us that cd's are that
expensive?!?!?!!?
(i promised myself not to respond to any of these very non-4ad postings, but
i couldnt help it..)


Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 23:04:19 -0400
From: j*mes t*ylor (valis@CC.CVU.CSSD.K12.VT.US)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!


Hey. it's fun.

God. That burger king commersh with modern english came on. Ugh!

Actually alanis could be.........

>
> i cant believe this
>

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 23:01:05 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: LIQUORICE


> what can you all tell me about liquorice??
> how long have they been on 4ad and what have they released?
>
> anyone?
> anyone?
>

well, they only released their first album last year (?) i think...
and if you havent heard all of the non 4ad bands they come from (ida, and
tsunami/grenadine) you might want to check out some simple machines bands...
they have a cd called listening cap and one 7"... (damn it, the songs escape
me..)  and they are AMAZING

--robn


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