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Subject: sugahbell band live
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:34:26 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS4.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:24:23 -0500
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP Freekout
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:33:18 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses - novice question
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:31:21 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Excerpts from a release schedule
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:38:23 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD 4AD 4AD 4AD 4AD 4AD
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:16:44 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:20:34 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:52:17 -0400
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses Live in Boston Review
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:30:10 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: (non-4AD) Hello, I'm Pete (aka) Air among others
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:39:28 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 01:32:35 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses Live in Boston Review
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 01:35:59 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses Live in Boston Review
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:27:23 -0600
From: Roy White (rwhite@MAIL.AROS.NET)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses Live in Boston Review
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 02:11:38 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: DCD in Houston; Throwing Muses in Houston (I hope!)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:39:12 -0500
From: Kevin Walter / Mark Dorward (markevin@WT.NET)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:53:00 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:21:06 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Limited Editions? You mean there are limited editions?
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 02:34:15 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:55:09 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:32:38 -0400
From: j*mes t*ylor (valis@CC.CVU.CSSD.K12.VT.US)
Subject: Limited Editions? You mean there are limited editions?
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:44:57 +-200
From: =
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:41:37 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:32:31 +0700
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: TRR Limited
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:59:16 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: DCD in Atlanta
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:46:38 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Limited Editions? You mean there are limited editions?
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:09:00 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: Cocteau coestion
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:27:16 +0500
From: Loveless (a9530431@PUCP.EDU.PE)
Subject: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:03:52 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:03:39 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Versus and Muses
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:05:27 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD in Atlanta
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:32:40 -0700
From: Ed Wakabayashi (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: Air Miami/Kim Deal/old Tarnation CD
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:31:59 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: subscribe
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:40:05 PST
From: tweibrecht@JUNO.COM
Subject: Blowout Sale--once again
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:33:35 -0500
From: "Dominic M. Tolli" (tolli@UKRAINE.CORP.MOT.COM)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:14:30 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:53:00 -0400
From: WhiteNoiseExpander (ebn@UMD.UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA dates
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:58:28 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:43:09 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: hnia tour dates
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:03:38 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:43:11 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: Limited Editions? You mean there are limited editions?
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:07:24 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:05:27 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:10:05 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:10:26 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:23:58 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Versus and Muses
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:49:33 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:02:39 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:46:59 -0400
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:31:17 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: sellin'
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:21:35 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Air Miami/Versus
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:28:03 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:30:27 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:53:51 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:45:41 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:28:07 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:24:05 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: ALANIS HYSTERIA
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:53:05 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:47:35 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:28:59 -0400
From: j*mes t*ylor (valis@CC.CVU.CSSD.K12.VT.US)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:18:05 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:25:02 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: CD prices
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:28:28 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: vertigo
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:04:33 -0400
From: MACLEOD (macleod@C813.NPT.NUWC.NAVY.MIL)
Subject: quick rhp question
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:53:37 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD bootlegs
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:37:48 -0600
From: "Ben T. Willardsen" (bwillard@XMISSION.COM)

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:34:26 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS4.NYU.EDU)
Subject: sugahbell band live


once again, Closer is playing in new york city....

Tuesday, August 20  (that's today for most of you)
@ the Lion's Den
Sullivan Street between 3rd and bleecker
 eight pm

yay-o come one come all!


lorelei tremolor :)
la petite chanteuse

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:24:23 -0500
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


> Yeah, but our (ryko) version of limbo has this cool (albeit
>corrupt and unusable on my copy) video track. Whooeee! 
>
>Anybody else had trouble with the video track ?
>
I didn't have trouble with the video track.  It's a live video.
oteran
oteran@shrike.depaul.edu

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:33:18 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP Freekout


> >Liquorice - Stalls 7"
> >
> >Hey, I got this a couple of days ago.  It has three non-album tracks,
> >all sounding very Liquoriceish.  Not as good as the album, though.
> >Wey kewl, even so.
>
> I've got to disagree on this point:  Stalls (the song, itself) is better
> than anything on the album...actually one of my very favorite songs ever.
>
> my penny and a half.
>
> rick
>

add a penny of the same sentiment from me..

--robn

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:31:21 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses - novice question


> I am familiar with exactly one song by TM, namely "Dizzy",
> which I have on the "Just Say Mao" disk.
> Q. How typical/representative of TM is "Dizzy"?  Qualified as
> typical of a particular period in TM's development?
> Thanks!
>
> --
> John Porter
> jporter@btg.com
>

i love dizzy... but i wouldnt say yo could really pick _any_ one TM song and
call it typical of them...  but their lyrics are usually better than that...

--robn

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:38:23 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Excerpts from a release schedule


> >I had the chance to chat with Robin Hurley
>
> Thanks Jeff, this is the kind of info I'd like to read.
>
>
>
> One question:
>
> >      CD: RAC 10352 (with extra video track for "Ruthie's Knocking"!!)
>
> Does this mean 'CD-Video'. 'CD-I', Multimedia PC/Mac Video', on what sort
> of machine should someone play this thing?
>
>
>
> Emiel Efdee
> ...
> the Netherlands, August 15, 1996
> ... efdee@luna.nl
> ... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee
>

heh.. im about to look at it.
i can hardly wait..
damn mail..

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:16:44 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD 4AD 4AD 4AD 4AD 4AD


> >
> >THROWING MUSES-Catch them on tour now, because the bigger Kristin gets the
> >harder it will be to tour. 7" and singles available.  From some huge and
> >pessimistic MUSES fans I have heard that the tour is absolutely fantastic.
> > Bernie, David, and Kristin are definitely grooving like never before.  I may
> >be a little biased but this is one of the best bands in the world.  The
> >Eropean tour starts in the middle of the Sept.  They will proabably bring an
> >american band across with them to tour.
>
> I've heard that the 'american' band may be Versus...
>

oooh!oooh!
yay

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:20:34 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


> On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Robert Dunkin wrote:
>
> > WHy does the UK get all these great things with discs.. (im referring to the
> > throwing muses Limbo poster and bag..) Throwing Muses isnt even british. It'

> > such rubbish if you ask me
> >
> > A very angry person from the states.
> >
>
>  Yeah, but our (ryko) version of limbo has this cool (albeit
> corrupt and unusable on my copy) video track. Whooeee! 
>
> Anybody else had trouble with the video track ?
>
> Also, I have the US/Ryko version of Limbo and the 4ad Shark EP, is there
> any reason (other than collector value) for me to run out and get the
> Ruthies Knocking single ?
>
> late folks, jt
>

no.  they're identical except for the first track.

--robn

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:52:17 -0400
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Robert Dunkin wrote:

> WHy does the UK get all these great things with discs.. (im referring to the
> throwing muses Limbo poster and bag..) Throwing Muses isnt even british. It's
> such rubbish if you ask me
>
> A very angry person from the states.
>
I have a theory about this.  It's just a theory however and I've never
talked to a label person about it...
CDs are SO expensive in Europe and Australia (and other places) that maybe
the labels need to bribe people into buying the CDs in theose countries by
offering "great things" with the disc.  I was in Australia about a month
ago and I was astounded at the price of CDs (about $27 US).  I get most of
my CDs between $7 (used) and $15 (new).  I also know that when tourists
from other countries come into the store where I work, they flip out about
the low prices (which are normal US prices).

Not that I'm any happier about my inability to snag these cool items..:)

Jill
starla@iglou.com

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:30:10 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses Live in Boston Review


> more ramblings on throwing muses shows...
>
> >Tanya Donnelly (looking
> >absolutely splendid, if a little forlorn in the back of the club,
> >having never been asked to leap onstage, ala Spinal Tap, for a
> >triumphant return).
>
> it seems i always see tanya at the throwing muses shows i've been to since
> tanya left...usually slightly sulky- or bored-looking as she stands off to
> the side of the stage.
>
> >For the first time in memory, and I have
> >personally seen the Muses some 25-plus times over the last ten
> >years, they fail to play a single song from the first record.  Maybe
> >they figure there are none of us left ;)  The loss seems less than
> >critical however; even with one lonely soul at the bar crying out in
> >vain, over and over, for "Delicate Cutters".
>
>
> really??  like you, i've seen the muses quite a few times (if not 25, maybe
> 15+ over the past 9 years) as i grew up in the boston/providence area (do
> you remember those shows at the living room?  sigh).  but i always felt the
> striking feature about their shows was that they trotted out new songs i'd
> never heard every time i saw them, and rarely played anything from the
> first album.  in fact, i don't think i heard much of anything earlier than
> 'hunkpapa' after 1989-1990, until a show in fall 93 where they played
> 'vicky's box.'
>
> in winter 1990 kristin played two solo shows at tt the bear's in cambridge
> (where i first heard some of the songs on 'the real ramona' and even 'red
> heaven'), and those nights were almost like sing-alongs:  about thirty of
> us packed into the tiny club while she did everything in her repertoire,
> including several songs from the first album.  i'm just wondering if you're
> really lucky, i'm really unlucky, and what other people's experiences were
> like.
>
> --j



well, ive only seen them about 7 or 8 times in the past 7 years, but they
almost *always* played stuff off the first album, usually delicate cutters or
vicky's box, but not always...  about a month ago i saw them in central park,
and they ignored the first album altogether.. it would have been a sad day,
if they werent so damn good...

--robn

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:39:28 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: (non-4AD) Hello, I'm Pete (aka) Air among others


>>Air - Modulator (Mo Wax)

> Isn't "Air" one of Pete Namlook's many aliases? I know he has releases on
>  Fax (seriously ambient whooshy stuff) under the names "Air" and "Air 2".
>  Or are those the CD titles with the artist being implicitly Pete Namlook
>  even though he's not mentioned on the sleeve?
>    And then of course there's the totally unrelated Air Liquide. Sounds
>  like somebody needs to come up with a more creative name...

I don't know that it would be classified as an alias per se, but rather a
title for a working theme.  Pete Namlook, and any other collaborator for
whichever project, are usually listed (in smaller print on the back of the
cd) as the writers of that release.  For instance, Pete works with Tetsu
Inoue on something 'deep' chill recorded in NY, and names it '2350 Broadway'
or works with Bill Laswell and entitles it 'Outland'.
To me it seems as if the titling reflects the mood of the piece and
subsequent releases (ie. 2350 Broadway 2) are the expounding and continuation
of that mood.

However, if one insists that it is an alias, than Pete probably has a
footnote in some german ambient record book with the most.

jason

ps-any other FAX/ambient listeners in 4AD land?  I know of a few, and only a
few...


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 01:32:35 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


  I tend to agree with your theory on the prices of cds... You could be onto
something there :).. Also I saw a special on 20.20 about the prcies of cds
and how expensive they are despite the low cost they are to make. Not to
mention they are RAISING the prices of cds in the states soon.. Horrible :( I
hope it never gets to the point of 27 dollars like australia as you say.. but
i doubt it will.. Americans cant be THAT stupid to pay such a high price.

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 01:35:59 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses Live in Boston Review


Robn,
   A month ago you saw throwing muses in central park?
Lucky lucky.. Im a pretty big throwing muses fan but I have yet to see them
live :( I missed Kristin Hersh promoting her solo album a few years ago at
Maxwells in hoboken and i was so depressed because of that..
Well bye

Rob

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:27:23 -0600 ignored.
From: Roy White (rwhite@MAIL.AROS.NET) I requested that this subscription be cancelled (8-17), but I have just deleted approximately 50 mailings which were received over approximately the last 36 hours. The subscription was not requested by anyone in this household. Please repeat the request for cancellation. B. White

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 02:11:38 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU) Hey Roy White, here's a brilliant idea, go to the 4ad Homepage and look up how to subscribe and unsubscribe.

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:39:12 -0500
From: Kevin Walter / Mark Dorward (markevin@WT.NET)
Subject: DCD in Houston; Throwing Muses in Houston (I hope!)


I hate to repeat what everyone else has said, but DCD live was like a
religious experience!! Truly incredible, they were so subdued and yet so
overwhelming, it was amazing. They played a (relatively) small venue here in
redneckville, but sold it out!! I think they didn't expect such a following
here, but (sort of like someone else said about a "freak show") they had it,
from goth people to punks with piercings to yuppie new ager types. Quite a
few times, after the first few notes of a song, the audience would recognize
it and start applauding furiously. You could tell that on several occassions
Lisa was very pleasantly surprised to discover that the audience was so
familiar with the music.  Truly an unbelievable show - definitely in my top
ten of all time.

I had been out of town for a while, and hope I haven't missed TM. Can anyone
tell me if they've already made it through TX, and if not, when are they
coming to Houston??


Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:53:00 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


> This is just another ploy by 4AD to keep the diehard fans frustrated and
> just at arms reach so that it will bother them enough to come back for
> more product later in the vein hope of getting a cool rare item.

But that's assuming they care about fans in the first place.

> 4AD really goofed by giving the poster/carrier bag to only CWNN stores!

Weren't the HNIA 1 7" and the Pale Saints ltd. ed. of
Comforts of Madness with the "tea towels" only available there too?

I envy those who have the time and resources to collect all this crap!

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:21:06 +0100
From: "'H'y" (hmc4@mailer.york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Robert Dunkin wrote:

> WHy does the UK get all these great things with discs.. (im referring to the
> throwing muses Limbo poster and bag..) Throwing Muses isnt even british. It's
> such rubbish if you ask me
>
> A very angry person from the states.
>

Maybe because we have to pay more for our CDs in the UK.
Maybe because the Throwing Muses needs an extra bit of marketing over
here which will persuade us to hand over our cash.

So what if TM aren't british. That's must be the most stupid argument
ever to say that a record company can only do limited editions in the
country that the band hail from. Lush aren't American but couldn't you
get the limited edition 7". Should 4AD ltd edition of LEs Mystere Voix de
Bulgares only be released in Bulgaria.
Perhaps Fontana should only release Cocteau Twins records in Scotland.
Mojave 3 are from Oxford so why not let them just release the album there.

If you're 'Very Angry' about this what are you like when there's
something a bit less trivial other than a poster and a bag.


'H'


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 02:34:15 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Limited Editions? You mean there are limited editions?


> WHy does the UK get all these great things with discs.. (im referring to the
> throwing muses Limbo poster and bag..) Throwing Muses isnt even british. It's
> such rubbish if you ask me
>
> A very angry person from the states.
>

I for one have to work extremely hard to find any of these limited / promo editi
ns.
South Africa only recently released 4AD bands domestically (TWP Funky Little Dem
ns,
and I would imagine Lovelife (which I had already bought at exhorbitant import p
ices)).
This says a number of things. Firstly, every item I buy is about double the pric
 of
your domestic releases (try 23 dollars for an LP and 13 dollars for an EP/12").
Obviously importers only import what they can, so limited editions are few and f
r
between (I'm not saying we get none, but nowhere near the opportunities the
rest of the world has). We don't even release vinyl here (and havn't for 5 years
, so we
are limited to CD domestically, and I don't see to many import vinyl.
However, I am not going to bitch and moan because I can't get them. I hear peopl

on this list talking about Promo A and Promo B, and these guys have everything (
ou
guys know who you are), and I say good luck to them.

Of course shaving the pavement, Dog bones too, All virgos
No balls, Mai Pai Rai were released in the US?And 4AD 1987 in Japan only ?
Too bad.

Wasn't the TMC box set a US only release????

A very Chris-like person
Chris


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:55:09 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff


 Hot Burritos - number one and two were both written by Gram Parsons
 and Chris Ethridge of the Flying Burrito Brothers.  Parsons was also
 indirectly responsible for U2's "The Joshua Tree", but as he was dead
 by that time I think we can let him off.  Dinosaur Jr's cover of one
 and Belly's version of the other were released in the same week in
 the UK, creepy coincidence fans.

 Limbo - Listened to it once, seems pretty good though there are
 occasional moments when it could be by any alternative rock group.
 There was something special about the interplay between Hersh,
 Narcizo, Donelly and Langston, and that has all but gone now that
 they are a three-piece.  Hidden track - WHY???? This "hidden track"
 thing was interesting for about thirty seconds when I first came
 across it, but it's just stupid these days.  Does the thirteenth
 track not merit a name? Are they so ashamed of it they don't want it
 listed on the CD cover? Are they superstitious about the number 13?
 It's one of the better songs on the album to my ears, so why try to
 hide it?

 Lisa Germano - the "Small Heads" EP is fantastic, I have even grown to
 love the B-sides (perhaps the fact that I have been on a Frank Zappa
 binge recently makes me more kindly disposed towards songs about
 roadies breaking people's hearts).  On the evidence of "Happiness" I
 thought LG was going to be one of those mildly entertaining but not
 essential acts, but since "Geek the Girl" she's become one of the best
 things on 4AD.

 REM - Bought the single yesterday, with Patty (sic) Smith on backing
 vocals, nice to hear Stipey mumbling again.  theweddingpresent's
 "2,3,go" is OK but would have been one of the worse tracks on "Mini".

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 20/08/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Jack - Pioneer Soundtracks

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:32:38 -0400
From: j*mes t*ylor (valis@CC.CVU.CSSD.K12.VT.US)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


Don't underestimate us. We have a history of doing _much_ bumber things.


James Taylor || http://cc.cvu.cssd.k12.vt.us/~valis

Majorities, of course, start with minorities.
                -- Robert Moses

On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Robert Dunkin wrote:

>   I tend to agree with your theory on the prices of cds... You could be onto
> something there :).. Also I saw a special on 20.20 about the prcies of cds
> and how expensive they are despite the low cost they are to make. Not to
> mention they are RAISING the prices of cds in the states soon.. Horrible :( I
> hope it never gets to the point of 27 dollars like australia as you say.. but
> i doubt it will.. Americans cant be THAT stupid to pay such a high price.
>

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:44:57 +-200
From: Jason Curtis (curtisj@ICL.CO.ZA)
Subject: Re: Limited Editions? You mean there are limited editions?


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Limited editions are normally supplied to radio and press as a sweetner =
and in the hope for added exposure. In South Africa Tic Tic Bang, =
Distribute 4AD product and begin pressing locally in about 3 weeks time.
They do order the limited edition goodies (but 4AD havn't done too many =
of those of late). The only proble is that you have to be well aware of =
them way before the time in order not to miss out.

...Jason (going round and round in circles)

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From: = COM]
Subject: Limited Editions? You mean there are limited editions?


> WHy does the UK get all these great things with discs.. (im referring =
to the
> throwing muses Limbo poster and bag..) Throwing Muses isnt even =
british. It's
> such rubbish if you ask me
>
> A very angry person from the states.
>

I for one have to work extremely hard to find any of these limited / =
promo editions.
South Africa only recently released 4AD bands domestically (TWP Funky =
Little Demons,
and I would imagine Lovelife (which I had already bought at exhorbitant =
import prices)).
This says a number of things. Firstly, every item I buy is about double =
the price of
your domestic releases (try 23 dollars for an LP and 13 dollars for an =
EP/12").
Obviously importers only import what they can, so limited editions are =
few and far
between (I'm not saying we get none, but nowhere near the opportunities =
the
rest of the world has). We don't even release vinyl here (and havn't for =
5 years), so we
are limited to CD domestically, and I don't see to many import vinyl.
However, I am not going to bitch and moan because I can't get them. I =
hear people
on this list talking about Promo A and Promo B, and these guys have =
everything (you
guys know who you are), and I say good luck to them.

Of course shaving the pavement, Dog bones too, All virgos
No balls, Mai Pai Rai were released in the US?And 4AD 1987 in Japan only =
?
Too bad.

Wasn't the TMC box set a US only release????

A very Chris-like person
Chris


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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:41:37 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.


        please repost davin's fax number. i yam eager
        to git onna them 7" rekkids

        dank

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 06:32:31 +0700
From: Chad Burkey (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


At 09:45 pm 8/19/96 -0400, you wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Robert Dunkin wrote:
>
>> WHy does the UK get all these great things with discs.. (im referring to the
>> throwing muses Limbo poster and bag..) Throwing Muses isnt even british. It's
>> such rubbish if you ask me
>>
>> A very angry person from the states.
>>
>
> Yeah, but our (ryko) version of limbo has this cool (albeit
>corrupt and unusable on my copy) video track. Whooeee! 
>
>Anybody else had trouble with the video track ?
>
>Also, I have the US/Ryko version of Limbo and the 4ad Shark EP, is there
>any reason (other than collector value) for me to run out and get the
>Ruthies Knocking single ?

I did at first, but then figured it out.  What you need is a *multi-session*
CDROM driver which can look for CDROM-type on all tracks.  Usually on these
mixed mode discs the video will be the first track which you must skip over
when listening to the music.  Having this information on the first track
makes it very easy for most CDROM players to find and subsequently play it.
This one is not that way, however.  The video is placed somewhere where a
standard CD player won't accidently play it (rather clever).  The trick for
me was on my mac with CDROM Toolkit checking the little box that said "Look
for CDROM information on all tracks."  I couldn't get it to work on my
ThinkPad, though (probably due to an outdated driver).

Anyway, hope it helps.

Chad


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:59:16 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: TRR Limited


Is there anyone living on the Continent who got his/her 'This Rimy River'
deluxe edition yet? I still haven't got it.

Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:46:38 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: DCD in Atlanta


At 22:16 8/18/96 +0000, you wrote:
>WOW.  There are not words (at least not within my grasp) to express just
>how amazing DCD were last night.  WOW.

I too can't come up with any other superlatives. WOW sums it up nicely.
>
>Everything was absolutely perfect.  Lisa was exquisite.  Brendan was
>powerful.  It really blew me away.

The show blew me away as well, and the only thing I missed was being able to
see that Irish percussionist who hops around a lot...I was in ninth row
center of orchestra pit, positioned pretty much right in front of Lisa, so
she blocked the dude. (However, she's so lovely to look at, I didn't really
mind!)

This being my second time seeing DCD live, I must say Lisa never
disappoints. Brendan was in top form vocally, and more than ever I
appreciate his artistry with words/music. However, I found him to be rather
cautious with his guitar playing, and I would suggest that if he is indeed
the person who played all the guitar parts on "Spiritchaser" (which is how I
interpreted the credits on the CD cover), well, then, either he should start
kicking some butt with lead guitar licks (instead of just strumming),
or...hire an African juju or soukous style guitarist to tour next time. It's
just that I really missed the African-influenced (and Hawaiian slack-key
influenced) guitar parts heard on "Spiritchaser". I also missed hearing
talking drum, which is featured prominently on the CD. Those are my only
"complaints"...which is too strong a word, cause I have no complaints...one
of the top concerts of the year for me.

A question: does anyone know if DCD brings along their own/the same sound
person or sound team on their tours? Except for extremely loud overall
volume in Atlanta, which was adjusted after the second number, the mix was
perfect, and the miking/mixing of the percussion instruments was the best
I've ever witnessed (and I've been to many, many concerts by African and
other artists who rely heavily on percussion.) It was indeed a very
impressive effort!
>
>And the audience was a complete freak show (I actually mean that as a
>compliment), at no extra charge.  It was quite the event.

Freak show? Well, since you say it's a compliment, I take no offense. I
found most everyone well dressed and lovely to look at, both women and men.
Most everyone "dressed up" to fit into the environs (Atlanta Symphony Hall)
and perhaps a new dress code was invented during that event...let's call it
"tuxedo goth". I wish more Atlantans dressed like that more often...this cow
town is a true fashion backwater (but then again, I've only lived in San
Fran, NYC, Wash, D.C. and Pittsburgh...I'm sure there are more colorless
burghs in the U.S., but happily I haven't had to live in any of THOSE.)

>>Now, if I could just afford to buy the rest of their back catalogue...

Well, only 130 shopping days til XMAS...get your wish list to mom & dad so
they can get you any domestic releases you need...and don't forget to be
good so Santa will pick up a few imports for you while he's flying around
the world.

Carol


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:09:00 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: Limited Editions? You mean there are limited editions?


>Limited editions are normally supplied to radio and press as a sweetner =
>and in the hope for added exposure. In South Africa Tic Tic Bang, =
>Distribute 4AD product and begin pressing locally in about 3 weeks time.
>They do order the limited edition goodies (but 4AD havn't done too many =
>of those of late). The only proble is that you have to be well aware of =
>them way before the time in order not to miss out.

>....Jason (going round and round in circles)

I was kidding........I have quite a few limited editions in my collection......
However, Tic Tic Bang is good news (if I can get my mitts on even more)

Chris

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:27:16 +0500
From: Loveless (a9530431@PUCP.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: Cocteau coestion


       Four Calendar Coffee ..


> > <<<< >
> >      What album is Evangeline from?
> >
> >                              Cheers,     Pat
> >
         >


> (is this a simple machines joke?)
>

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:03:52 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!


'White Bikini Beach' is also on the LP version of 'Limbo'...

Nice inner bag by the way. It seems 4AD didn't get all legal stuff fixed to
issue the bag in certain parts of Canada. Alas, Jeff! (just kidding).

Frank

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:03:39 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.


Quis wrote:

>timeSTEREO happenings...
>
>~there has been talk of another CD release for quite sometime (possibly the
>ESP-Beetles),

Please tell me what's the other Time Stereo CD? Is that the Princess Dragon
Mom 'Slow Poke' CD? I thought that was on Insignificant. Or do you mean the
CD version of 'ESP Summer'?

Frank

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:05:27 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Versus and Muses


absolutely correct. Versus will open.  And if you have not had the chance to
see the band your loss.  Versus is one of the most exciting bands playing
around now.  If they play with 2 guitarists you are extra lucky.  They played
the 4AD/Teenbeat showcase at CMJ last year and it was absolutely
life-affirming.

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:32:40 -0700
From: Ed Wakabayashi (zorg@ALOIS.ICON.PALO-ALTO.MED.VA.GOV)
Subject: Re: DCD in Atlanta

              96 12:46:38 pm

C.K. Coney said:
>
> Brendan was in top form vocally, and more than ever I
> appreciate his artistry with words/music. However, I found him to be rather
> cautious with his guitar playing, and I would suggest that if he is indeed
> the person who played all the guitar parts on "Spiritchaser" (which is how I
> interpreted the credits on the CD cover), well, then, either he should start
> kicking some butt with lead guitar licks (instead of just strumming),

It's funny that you would say that because at the Berkeley show, I sensed
a bit of Brendan's punk roots showing through with his grimacing during his
little 'solo' runs, particularly during 'Snake and the Moon.'  I don't
remember him strapping on an electric on the last tour.  One thing I thought
was interesting was the little 'solos' he did on 12-string toward the end
of 'Cantara' between the vocal bits.  That was a little dismaying at first
but then I figured it was just Brendan 'getting off' as it were.

Ed
--
Edward Wakabayashi                    /\   You've kissed everybody else's
zorg@alois.icon.palo-alto.med.va.gov  /\      -*Her Majesty the Baby*-
zorg@sirius.com                       \/

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:31:59 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Air Miami/Kim Deal/old Tarnation CD


Kim Deal is presently working on her next record, allegedly a breeeders one.
 She has spent some time with Josephine recently (maybe writing).  Air Miami
is a up in the air.  Mark Robinson has a solo project called Olympic Death
Squad, which he is touring right now.  Whether Bridget and Mark decide to do
another record is one decision and whether 4AD releases it is another.  The
way 4AD and Mark is work rather unusual.  Mark has the luxury to do what he
wants.


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:40:05 PST
From: tweibrecht@JUNO.COM
Subject: subscribe


how does one get on this list?

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:33:35 -0500
From: "Dominic M. Tolli" (tolli@UKRAINE.CORP.MOT.COM)
Subject: Blowout Sale--once again


        It's time for another try at selling off some of my CDs.
Several folks claimed items on the previous version of this list, but
some of these haven't yet sold.  Once again, all are CDs in wunderbar
condition.  Why am I selling?  I just don't listen to them any more,
and I need the space.  Here we go!

First, some 4AD stuff:

   Frank Black - "Los Angeles" (PRCD 8731-2)
        one track promo single - $3

   Kristin Hersh - "Your Ghost" (BAD 4001 CD)
        UK CD single with three non-album tracks - $5

Some thislisty stuff:

   th' Faith Healers - Lido
        the ten-track US Elektra release, with "Reptile Smile" and
        "Moona-inna-joona" - $7

   Swirlies - What To Do About Them?
        with "Didn't Understand," "Tall Ships," "Chris R.," and
        "Sarah Sitting," with four others - $7

   Lorelei - Everyone Must Touch The Stove
        their most recent, final album - $6

Some alternastuff:

   Nine Inch Nails - Broken
        the 5" CD version, with 99 "tracks" (two "hidden") - $6

   Hothouse Flowers - Home
        their second album, fourteen tracks, with "Give It Up" - $6

   dada - Puzzle
        their first album, with "Dizz Knee Land" - $6

   Blues Traveler - Travelers & Thieves
        the '91 album, with "All In The Groove" - $6

   Judybats - Native Son
        the debut album featuring the title track - $6

   Something Happens - Stuck Together With God's Glue - $7
        with "Kill The Roses," "Parachute," and "Hello Hello Hello Hello"

   Poi Dog Pondering - Wishing Like a Mountain and Thinking Like the Sea  - $6
        from 1990, with "Everybody's Trying"

And now for something completely different:

   Manzanera & Mackay - Crack The Whip
        2/3 of latter-era Roxy Music in much the same style - $6

   Breakfast Club - s/t
        the band, not the movie soundtrack, with "Expressway To Your
        Heart" and "Right On Track" - $4

One more time--yes, it's still available:

   Volume 5
        yes, the now-sold-out CD, 79 minutes with tracks by The Orb,
        Happy Mondays, Fuel, Bettie Serveert, Macbeth, Cocteau Twins
        ("Frosty The Snowman"), Cabaret Voltaire,  Consolidated, Jesus
        Lizard, L7, Red House Painters, The Wedding Present, The
        Auteurs, and Morrissey.  big ol' booklet of interviews and
        stuff included, of course.  full tracklisting and other
        details at http://www.demon.co.uk/volume/vol5.html - $20 obo

All the above for sale at price indicated, or trade if you like (see
below).  All prices in US$.  You pay additional postage, which is a
better deal when you order multiple titles (hint hint).  If you're
outside the US, please take your higher shipping costs into account.
Typical shipping cost within continental US is $1.50, so you can add
that on to the prices above.

Trades accepted where appropriate for the Sixths' album (Wasps'
Nests), a 13 Year Itch CD, Volume 16, the Lush Drum Club Remixes 12",
the Lush 8 promo (with "Single Bloke"), or that Stereolab/Tortoise
split 7".  Not interested in much else right now.

Nick

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:14:30 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


At 05:32 8/20/96 +0000, you wrote:
>  I tend to agree with your theory on the prices of cds... You could be onto
>something there :).. Also I saw a special on 20.20 about the prcies of cds
>and how expensive they are despite the low cost they are to make. Not to
>mention they are RAISING the prices of cds in the states soon.. Horrible :( I
>hope it never gets to the point of 27 dollars like australia as you say.. but
>i doubt it will.. Americans cant be THAT stupid to pay such a high price.

I don't know how others read this message, but it seems to imply that
somehow Australians (and perhaps others worldwide) are somehow stupid for
paying higher prices than U.S. citizens do for cd's. They are for the most
part buying imports from the U.S. and (unfortunately) paying through the
teeth because of that fact. When we here in the States buy imports, like
certain 4AD releases from Britain, for example, we pay $20 and upwards. That
doesn't make us STUPID, and our Aussie friends aren't stupid, either.
>

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:53:00 -0400
From: WhiteNoiseExpander (ebn@UMD.UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.


>
> his name is Dion Fischer...a really likeable chap.   awesome side project
> with Wade known as "The OHMS"....science-noise stuff (really good! honest!)
> get their first tape via timeSTEREO
>

I had the pleasure of playing a show with the OHMS at Zoot's a year or so
ago and it was one crazy show. Dion is quite the inventive performer as
some may know with the Symphony of Science and Sound shows he has also
put on with members of Gravitar,Godzuki....


>> i guess this makes up for their
> >online mistake about his name is alive. when the brothers quay short films
> came to the detroit institute of arts film theatre, they said that the
> >quays show will feature london's his name is alive. they didn't even know
> >muzik from their own backyard.
>

Well that little incident about the misprint can make up for all the
times Warren has "forgotten" to mention specific people, record labels,
and bands from around here when articles are done and questions are asked...


> ...another show to follow in September at a book store
>
 Possibly at the Book Beat at 9 Mile and Greenfield? Corey and the rest
of the Destroy All Monsters crew have a lot in common with the PDM/Time
Stereo guys so I figure that's where it will be. Davin's art is quite
strange. I have two "CDs" that he made for PDM that consisted of him
taking old CDs and breaking them and painting them and so on. Then he
would be devious and put them out for sale at $10 a piece!! I actually
bought them from him 4 years ago and he freaked out! (he gave me the
other ones free after that).

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:58:28 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA dates


>           10 Seattle at The Tractor Tavern

Have tickets gone on sale for this yet?

Mike

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:43:09 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


Robert Dunkin wrote:
>I tend to agree with your theory on the prices of cds... You could be onto
>something there :).. Also I saw a special on 20.20 about the prcies of cds
>and how expensive they are despite the low cost they are to make.

"The price of an item is what people are willing to pay for it" -- Ec.
101. It really doesn't make sense to compare the production cost of an
item with the selling price, as there's so much in between. In particular
there are distributors, high marketing costs, and the multimillion-dollar
contracts of artistes like Madonna and Pearl Jam.

There are indie labels who charge a lot less than the normal prices for
CDs. Dischord (home of Fugazi) have (used to have?) stickers on their CDs
saying "do not pay more than $10 for this CD". And of course there's
LaserLight with their $5 compilations of wacky world music and such.

It's been argued by some that the higher profit margins of CDs allow
labels to take chances on riskier artists since they need to sell fewer
units to break even. This would apply to indie labels (apart from the
ones who charge $10!) as well as majors. And I think there is a broader
variety of music available in your average record store than, say, 10
years ago.

> Not to
>mention they are RAISING the prices of cds in the states soon.. Horrible :(

Actually CDs have been getting cheaper; they cost about the same now in
dollar terms as they did in 1985 when I first got a CD player. That means
the real cost has been going down by about 4-6% a year (inflation, ya
know.)

of what they do now!

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:03:38 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: hnia tour dates


well, i am gone from ypsi michigan and back in steamy tucson. i meanty to
talk to trey again before i left, but alas he was not at home. what is
the email for velour 100? trey told me a while back that they(hnia) may
be playing at club congress in tucson prior to the tempe
show, but i am not seeing it on ANY list.
thanks to all who can render assistance. p
sean

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tucson, az
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:43:11 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


--- Jens wrote:
Actually CDs have been getting cheaper; they cost about the same now in
dollar terms as they did in 1985 when I first got a CD player. That means
the real cost has been going down by about 4-6% a year (inflation, ya
know.)
--- end of quoted material ---

CD's have been getting cheaper.  I find it hard to believe that they will get
MORE expensive.  More people own CD players now than ever and I think that
we're used to the low prices.  The low prices also enable people to buy MORE
CD's-maybe this evens out whatever risk retailers and labels are taking by
pushing low prices.  I've noticed that Tower Records has some new CD's
(Imperial Teen - $8.99) at great prices.  Maybe this is just a brief
promotional thing, but it seems as though (sale) prices ARE cheaper.  Music
clubs (BMG, Columbia, CDHQ) also allow people to get cheaper CD's (btw - you
can get Lisa Gerrard, DCD, Kirstin Hersh, Kendra Smith and Lush through BMG).
I worked at Musicland (ick) back in '93 - '94 and they (senior management) told
us that all CD's (not just Musicland's) were going to be $16.99-$17.99 before
sales/promotions.  Obviously, this didn't happen.  The highest price I see in
most places is $15.99.  I have no complaints about the current prices - the
week that Limbo came out, every store I went to had it for $11.99.  It used to
be, I couldn't even FIND throwing muses at half the stores I went to.


Barry

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:07:24 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limited Editions? You mean there are limited editions?


Chris,
    Well now im going to cry.

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:05:27 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


  'h'
Drop dead.

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:10:05 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff


I agree with you about throwing muses.  I like them so much better with
langston and donelly. Throwing muses has gotten horribly boring. (it must be
all those babies she keeps having)..
        "motherhood means Mental freeze!"

Rob

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:10:26 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: detroit happenings, r.e.m., h.n.i.a., g.o.d.z.u.k.i.


> >~there has been talk of another CD release for quite sometime (possibly the
> >ESP-Beetles),

I'd *love* to see a CD release of ESP Beetles...  still waiting for ESP
summer, though.

Here's a good question:  does Time Stereo have any distribution in Japan?
I've seen a review of Mystic Moog Orchestra in a Japanese magazine once,
though that's not quite the same.

Mike

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:23:58 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


MY message was NOT meant as an insult. I did not say that they are stupid for
buying cds at that price, but i know for a fact that "I" personally would not
be that stupid to pay such high prices for cds. (If I had to pay those
prices, I would rather just start shoplifting [yes, it is VERY easy]). True,
I do waste money on imported CDS upwards of 20 dollars, but if CDS were ever
20+ dollars for regular LPS id be laughing my ass off.
One of the reasons people pay these prices is because they LET the prices get
that high. Besides, i KNow for a fact that there are just as many stupid
americans who would pay 20-25 dollars per cd as there are other citizens of
the world paying those prices for cds.

ROb (And if you going to reply with pathetically corny poliitically correct
messages just because i think people (of ANY country) are STUPID for being
ripped off,then you can take your message and shove it up your tight ass)


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:49:33 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Versus and Muses


> absolutely correct. Versus will open.  And if you have not had the chance to
> see the band your loss.  Versus is one of the most exciting bands playing
> around now.  If they play with 2 guitarists you are extra lucky.  They played
> the 4AD/Teenbeat showcase at CMJ last year and it was absolutely
> life-affirming.
>

they played my school a few years ago and about 15 people showed up, so every
song we asked them to play they played.. and they were totally cool about no
one showing up..  ive seen them 3 or 4 times and they really are
incredible...

-robn

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:02:39 -0800
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!


>Nice inner bag by the way. It seems 4AD didn't get all legal stuff fixed to
>issue the bag in certain parts of Canada. Alas, Jeff! (just kidding).

Consider this revenge on Canada for giving us Alanis Morissette!

Just kidding, too...I love Canada.

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:46:59 -0400
From: Jill Burkart (starla@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, C.K. Coney wrote:

> At 05:32 8/20/96 +0000, you wrote:
> >  I tend to agree with your theory on the prices of cds... You could be onto
> >something there :).. Also I saw a special on 20.20 about the prcies of cds
> >and how expensive they are despite the low cost they are to make. Not to
> >mention they are RAISING the prices of cds in the states soon.. Horrible :( I
> >hope it never gets to the point of 27 dollars like australia as you say.. but
> >i doubt it will.. Americans cant be THAT stupid to pay such a high price.
>
> I don't know how others read this message, but it seems to imply that
> somehow Australians (and perhaps others worldwide) are somehow stupid for
> paying higher prices than U.S. citizens do for cd's. They are for the most
> part buying imports from the U.S. and (unfortunately) paying through the
> teeth because of that fact. When we here in the States buy imports, like
> certain 4AD releases from Britain, for example, we pay $20 and upwards. That
> doesn't make us STUPID, and our Aussie friends aren't stupid, either.
> >
>
I claimed that they have to be offered more for their money because
they're spending more money.  They need those extra bonus cuts and
incentives (sp?) to spend $27 or so per CD.  I think that's the opposite
of stupid.  In fact, I think it's pretty savvy of them to withhold their
money unless the labels offer them more for it.
I don't think anyone called them stupid.  I've been there.  I know they're
not.

Jill

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:31:17 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Some Reviews

              96 02:43:11 pm

> --- Jens wrote:
> Actually CDs have been getting cheaper; they cost about the same now in
> dollar terms as they did in 1985 when I first got a CD player. That means
> the real cost has been going down by about 4-6% a year (inflation, ya
> know.)

then Barry wrote:

> CD's have been getting cheaper.  I find it hard to believe that they will get
> MORE expensive.

That is very odd, because I thought that CD's had been getting more
expensive.  Why is it hard to believe they'd get more expensive?  Doesn't
just about everything get more expensive?  There have been rumors that the
US Recording Industry is trying to slowly raise prices to $20, to be
closer to the CD prices overseas...

> More people own CD players now than ever and I think that
> we're used to the low prices.

The fact that more people own cd players and buy cd's only means that the
cost to manufacture them has gone down, even though the price (even
corrected for inflation) has not.  The fact remains that in 1996, the
difference in manufacturing costs between cd and cassette are negligeable,
and the cost of promotion is the same, so why do cd's consistently sell
for $3 to $6 more than cassettes?  If anything, cassettes should cost
more, since there is probably a smaller market for them.

> The low prices also enable people to buy MORE
> CD's-maybe this evens out whatever risk retailers and labels are taking by
> pushing low prices.  I've noticed that Tower Records has some new CD's
> (Imperial Teen - $8.99) at great prices.  Maybe this is just a brief
> promotional thing, but it seems as though (sale) prices ARE cheaper.

Temporary price reductions are normal, and have been for some time.  I
used to shop at a Wherehouse records in Ann Arbor.  Every time a new cd
came out, I could get it for $9.99 (this was about 1991), and thereafter
for about $12.99.  Over the next couple of years, the new release sale
price had risen to $10.99 or $11.99, and the normal prices were $13.99 or
highter.  NOt to mention that the Tower records down the street charges
$15.99 for everyday discs.

> Music
> clubs (BMG, Columbia, CDHQ) also allow people to get cheaper CD's (btw - you
> can get Lisa Gerrard, DCD, Kirstin Hersh, Kendra Smith and Lush through BMG).

Yeah, they usually are a good deal, but it takes a few months for new
releases to hit the catalogs, and then there is the 3-4 week delay for
shipping.  Kinda takes away the immediate gratification of buying discs.
And not everything ends up in the club catalogs.

> I worked at Musicland (ick) back in '93 - '94 and they (senior management) tol

> us that all CD's (not just Musicland's) were going to be $16.99-$17.99 before
> sales/promotions.  Obviously, this didn't happen.  The highest price I see in
> most places is $15.99.  I have no complaints about the current prices

I never understood why anyone would buy cd's at those prices at a national
retailer in a mall.  I usually head for the electronics stores, which
generally have a reasonable selection of discs prices a few bucks cheaper.

>- the
> week that Limbo came out, every store I went to had it for $11.99.  It used to
> be, I couldn't even FIND throwing muses at half the stores I went to.

It took me 2 weeks to find the new HNIA, even checking at Tower Records in
Atlanta (which still didn't have it last weekend) and HMV.  And it was
$14.99, which is bit high for me.  I'll wait for it to show up at Best Buy
or something like that.

Not every new release gets discounted, you know.

-greg

who buys a helluva lot of cd's, so he knows his prices...
just offering a different perspective on the pricing situation


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:21:35 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: sellin'


Well, here's my last try before I take 'em down to the local rip-off used
CD store and leave for Japan.  I can be reached at n9344881@cc.wwu.edu.
Shipping's included in the prices.  Serious inquiries only, please.

the clean - vehicle - $8
grant lee buffalo - mighy joe moon (advance promo, cardboard sleeve) - $9
heisei tanuki gassen ponpoko - drama CD (Japanese import) - $25
helium - pirate prude - $7
helium - the dirt of luck - $9
helium - superball + - $4
kill sybil - kill sybil - $7
omoide hatoba - black hawaii (Japanese import, Boredoms' guitarist?) - $16
pale saints - fine friend ep - $8
pale saints - barging into the presence of god - $20
ride - going blank again (promo-picture disc) - $15
ruins - graviyaunosch - $10
slowdive - morningrise ep (UK import, new, out of print) - $25 (trade?
        make an offer)
teenbeat 1996 sampler - $2.50 with something else...
this mortal coil - 5 selected originals (promo w/ 5 tracks from the
        'originals' disc in the boxed set) - $15

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:28:03 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Air Miami/Versus


Rich wrote:
>Air Miami is a up in the air. Mark Robinson has a solo project called
Olympic >Death Squad, which he is touring right now.  Whether Bridget and
Mark decide to >do another record is one decision and whether 4AD releases
it is another.


I'm quite sure there'll be an Air Miami 12"/CD-EP (Teenbeat# 197) out
sometime in September, featuring an extended version of 'Pucker'. Well,
that's what Evelyn at Teenbeat told me and what the very latest Teenbeat
Cataloq says.
Hey, and buy that Teenbeat Computer Mousepad (Teenbeat# 208). It's beautiful.


>Versus is one of the most exciting bands playing around now.  If they play
with >2 guitarists you are extra lucky.  They played the 4AD/Teenbeat
showcase at CMJ >last year and it was absolutely life-affirming.

Yep, check out their brilliant new album 'Secret Swingers' on
Teenbeat/Caroline (Teenbeat# 222). I think it's even better than their
monumental 'The Stars Are Insane'.

Frank
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:30:27 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!


the mystery parade wrote:

> Consider this revenge on Canada for giving us Alanis Morissette!

Before you go making Alanis jokes, remember that 4AD is signing Alanis to
a six album deal.  In fact, Ivo is ressurecting This Mortal Coil so that
Alanis can be a featured vocalist!  A 4AD promo 12" has already been
released (ALANIS 1) that features demo versions of "Hand In My Pocket"
with additional remixing by Martyn Young of Colourbox!!  The promo 12" I
received has a deluxe cloth carrying case with six v23 art prints.

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
redshift@interlog.com


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:53:51 EDT
From: Andromeda (aleppo@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff


> I agree with you about throwing muses.  I like them so much better with
> langston and donelly. Throwing muses has gotten horribly boring. (it must be
> all those babies she keeps having)..
>         "motherhood means Mental freeze!"
>
> Rob
>

oh dear.
im afraid i disagree.
horribly boring?  oh dear...

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:45:41 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!


Yeah right...


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:28:07 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!


Are you serious about 4AD signing alanis to 6 albums??
Or was that a joke.

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:24:05 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Some Reviews


> One of the reasons people pay these prices is because they LET the prices
> get
>  that high.

How does this happen, exactly?

>Besides, i KNow for a fact that there are just as many stupid
>  americans who would pay 20-25 dollars per cd as there are other citizens
of
>  the world paying those prices for cds.

...and they may.  However, these (u.s. music buyers) are more than likely
*not* ardent music lovers, and paying $2-$3 more for a cd probably doesn't
faze them in the least.  I wouldn't go so far as saying that they were
stupid, ignorant maybe, but not stupid.  It's just that here it is a little
easier to shop around for the lowest price, whereas in Australia, or South
Africa, or Singapore it is not.

jason

srilank@aol.com

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:53:05 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: ALANIS HYSTERIA


who ever started the alanis morriset sigining on to 4ad joke please end it
now... this is too freaky...

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:47:35 -0700
From: shar everett (sharlito@TELEPORT.COM)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff


 (it must be all those babies she keeps having)..
>>         "motherhood means Mental freeze!"
>>
>> Rob
>>

yeah and what would you know about motherhood ROB!
what kind of freaky, stupid remark is that?


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:28:59 -0400
From: j*mes t*ylor (valis@CC.CVU.CSSD.K12.VT.US)
Subject: Re: Limbo LP with extra track and inner bag!!


On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Robert Dunkin wrote:

> Are you serious about 4AD signing alanis to 6 albums??
> Or was that a joke.
>

and a new TMC with her featured. WHAT ?!?!?. Who would back her? She's so
non, well, um, thislistie ?

hmm.... alanis / deal

alanis / raymonde / guthrie / ivo

alanis / sharp

noope. desn;t click.

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:18:05 EDT
From: Robert Dunkin (rdunkin@EDEN.RUTGERS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Hot Burrito, Muses, Germano and other stuff


Well really the only muses album i find horribly boring is University. Im
glad the new album is a lot better..

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:25:02 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU) Oh, come on! Did anyone REALLY believe that post from Jeff "trickster" Keibel about Alanis and 4AD? Must everyone preceed stuff like this with "WARNING - INCOMING JOKE"? That takes the fun out of it. Usually it's so bloody obvious it's not meant to be taken seriously that there really shouldn't be any need to add any explanatory text. We're not talking Joyce here! That said, I'd like to report that Ivo has named me as the new CEO of 4AD, and my first actions will be to sack 2/3 of the current roster, forget I ever heard about the Jive Bombers, invite the Cocteau Twins back, release the new Xymox album, sign all the local bands you always see me going on about, give the members of Dif Juz a ton of money to get back together, license all of Virginia Astley's material for worldwide release, and find out what the heck Caroline Crawley is up to these days. By the way, that was a joke... | Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes | Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies | Uncommon music that deserves to be heard | | http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:28:28 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: CD prices


Gregory Lawrence Smith wrote:
>That is very odd, because I thought that CD's had been getting more
>expensive.
...then later...
>NOt to mention that the Tower records down the street charges
>$15.99 for everyday discs.

That's just about exactly the standard list prices of CDs back in 1985;
might actually have been $16.99 back then. Although depending where you
shopped you could find them down to $12.99. You're proving my point: the
price in dollar terms has stayed pretty constant over the past 11 years,
which means the real inflation-adjusted price is going down.

>Why is it hard to believe they'd get more expensive?  Doesn't
>just about everything get more expensive?

Not in the world of consumer electronics! Just think of what's happened
to the price of CD _players_. Plus, the initial high prices of CDs back
in the early '80s were largely blamed on insufficient manufacturing
capacity, so it'd be natural for the prices to go down as more pressing
plants got built.

>The fact remains that in 1996, the
>difference in manufacturing costs between cd and cassette are negligeable,
>and the cost of promotion is the same, so why do cd's consistently sell
>for $3 to $6 more than cassettes?

People will pay more for CDs than for cassettes because they have
superior sound. (Hopefully even the cranks who believe in the superiority
of vinyl will grant that cassettes actually do sound inferior to CDs!)
There's no reason for manufacturers to lower prices drastically because
people are buying lots at the current prices. And CDs from different
artists/labels are not interchangeable in the eyes of consumers, so if
one label lowers prices it doesn't mean everyone's going to switch to
buying only from that label.

As another example, why do CD singles cost less than full-length albums?
(Ditto for 12" singles vs. LPs.) The manufacturing cost is the same, the
only difference is that you can charge the consumer more for an album
because they get more music.

This is all just Economics 101 stuff...

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:04:33 -0400
From: MACLEOD (macleod@C813.NPT.NUWC.NAVY.MIL)
Subject: vertigo


Help,  I'm stuck in my car driving in a permanent circle, can't
move.  Someone come down here to Rhode Island and rescue me ...
I'll be the guy in the front seat with a catatonic stare with Disco
Inferno's new lp playing at max volume.   I may be drooling.  Don't worry,
Rhode Island is not so big, you'll find me.  Please flip the tape over, cant
stop,
help.
Bruce


Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:53:37 -0500
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: quick rhp question


has songs for a blue guitar actually been released yet?  if not, what's the
release date?  i'm writing a review of it and i need to know (i found a
promo copy sitting in the drawer when i came back from break.)

thanx,

BiZ

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:37:48 -0600
From: "Ben T. Willardsen" (bwillard@XMISSION.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD bootlegs


Someone might have already sent you this information, but here it

Dark Christ-Mas (Belguim 1993)
        Amelia
        Lost Treasure
        Cantara
        Ignis Factuus
        Mourmer Rose
        Forest of Souls
        Severance
        Xerophyte
        Karath
        Empty Dreams
        Ichor
        Yuycinga
        Eternal Beauty
        Garden of Refuge
        The Song Of The Sibgh
        Crystal Palace
        Angel Tears

Influences From The Middle Age (Aion tour)
        Out Of A Serpant's Egg
        Song Of A Sophia
        Fuaelo
        Song Of A Sybil
        Spleens
        Arabian Gothic
        Cantara
        Lilian Colours
        End Of An Circle

If you need anything else, send me a message!

Ben T. Willardsen
bwillard@xmission.com


>     From: Leonid Kalmankin
>     Date: 8/19/96  7:36:15PM
>     To: 4ad recording artists list
>     Subject: DCD bootlegs
>
>           Hello, everyone!
>       I'm going to create unofficial DCD homepage, mainly because
>     of lack
>     of bootleg info. on the official page. I know that bootleg
>     section
>     was removed from it some time ago because of Brendan Perry's
>     request,
>     but i think he's wrong here.
>       The problem is that i have only 3 BLs ("Europe 1987",
>     "Mystical
>     Rain" and "Hidden Treasures").
>       So if you have any bootlegs, please, send me info about them..
>
>     LVK@north.cs.msu.su
>
>     PS. If you have any interesting DCD-related information, send
>     it too.
>
>