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Subject: Shelleyan Orphan promo spotted
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:33:35 -0500
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: The Piracy of fLUSH
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:02:58 -0700
From: "Reality's email account" (mcclure@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: dodgy esp items
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 01:21:12 -0400
From: Susan F Curran (warped@WORLD.STD.COM)
Subject: Re: Can
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:47:37 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: rare cds
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:34:53 -0400
From: "it's me!" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: lilliput
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:40:37 -0400
From: "it's me!" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau / TMC Box Set (Uk Listees)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:36:17 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Shark / Miracle reviewed.
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:51:55 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Early Muses
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:37:56 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Does DCD start on time?
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:56:53 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Tortoise / Stereolab rarities
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:45:43 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: compilation name contest
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:26:45 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD cancellations
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:19:20 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Tortoise / Stereolab rarities
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:28:21 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:19:34 +0000
From: Mr Barnaby S Gunning (ucftbsg@UCL.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Tortoise / Stereolab rarities
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:00:57 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Tortoise / Stereolab rarities
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:00:57 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: CT BOOT LIVE IN LONDON... for auction...
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:05:01 GMT
From: Bruce Philp (daisy@MAIL.BOGO.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Cocteau / TMC Box Set (Uk Listees)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:39:44 +0100
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: stars on esp - an indepth analysis
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:53:40 -0700
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Violaine singles
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:07:04 EDT
From: "Glen T. Greenman" (102724.3265@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Belly's swan song
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:08:18 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: The Piracy of fLUSH
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:59:00 -0500
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Early Muses
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:29:04 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: one more reminder
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:54:20 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)

Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:33:35 -0500
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Shelleyan Orphan promo spotted


Greetings.  If anyone out there is a big Shelleyan Orphan fan or is
curious about them, read on.  I spotted a copy of their promo sampler,
_Waking Up_, for sale used.  Tracks are as follows:
1. Burst*
2. Dead Cat*
3. Supernature On A Superhighway*
4. Late Night#
5. Shatter~
6. Summer Flies~
7. Cavalry of Cloud+
8. Southern Bess (A Field Holler)+

*-from _Humroot_
#-from TMC's _Blood_
~-from _Century Flower_
+-from _Helleborine_

Looked to be in fine shape.  Let me know (personally, not via the list)
if you are interested.  Oh yeah, reasonably priced at US$8.00 + shipping
(&maybe a little something for me, no?).
--gary (gruisinger@cctr.umkc.edu)

PS-I also have the three albums, and a couple of misc tracks if you
wanna break copyright law...


Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:02:58 -0700
From: "Reality's email account" (mcclure@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: The Piracy of fLUSH


Jens Alfke  sensibly points out:


Not to be a spoilsport, but given that employees of 4AD and Warner Bros.
have been known to read this list in the very recent past, you might want
to prepare yourself for a fun little chat with a few of their lawyers.


Thanks for the concern.  Part of the reason I am not hiding behind
a forged email address is JUST SO such lawyers can contact me.  I'm
a legal chicken and I teach ethics classes to boot, so it wouldn't
take much to put me off this project.  My hope is nobody is going
to bother about 25 copies of a compilation of mostly out-of-print
stuff.  Then again I could be wrong.

I sent several copies of _fLUSH_ (the earlier cassette) to Emma and
asked her to let me know if the band had any problem with it.  I
never heard back from her.  I plan to send her a copy of anything
that results from this project as well. (I should mention that Emma
and I have exchanged band related correspondence in the past, so it
isn't just that she doesn't respond to things I send her.)

In any case, if there are any Warner Bros/4AD lawyer types out there,
please let me know.  This is your chance! Stop me now before I break
the law again!! :-)

Reality

P.S. Has anybody got a dub of the LUSH version of Blondie's
"Sunday Girl"?  I'm working an angle of including a few select
non-CD tracks on _fLUSH II_...

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 01:21:12 -0400
From: Susan F Curran (warped@WORLD.STD.COM)
Subject: dodgy esp items


Not a Time Stereo 'release', but the new issue of Warped Reality has a fle*i
with an e*clusive His Name is Alive song, and a rare track from 'violent
Stereolab' Prolapse as well as interviews with: LAIKA, PRAM, LIDA HUSIK and
NEIL GAIMAN (Sandman) and artwork/writing from Edward Gorey, E*ene Cervenka,
Gilbert Hernandez, Lois, Dame Darcy and many more.

$4 ppd. to Andrea Feldman

Warped Reality
PO Bo* 2515
Providence, RI 02906, USA

we have back issues too, including: Stereolab, Helium, The Raincoats, Lisa
Germano, His Name is Alive, Kristin Hersh and Chris Bigg (v23)

email to: afeldman@acs.bu.edu

cheers,

  Susan


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:47:37 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Can

              Bartkowicz" at Jul 31, 96 06:01:40 pm

 Dr Peaches Bartkowicz  wrote on Wed, 31 Jul 1996
 (Subject: Can)
 >
 > Well, if you see the names David Gilmour or Reebop Kwaku Baah (the
 > guy they got from Traffic, even if he did have a cool name) on a
 > record, it's safe to say it's not as good as the first couple of
 > albums, up to and including _Future Days_.

 I have seen the David Gilmour rumour before (in one of those
 "everything you need to know about the whole of popular music in 500
 pages" books) - the person who co-wrote vocals on one of the later
 Can albums is PETER Gilmour, as far as I know no relation to the Pink
 Floyd guitarist.

 Dez <100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote on Wed, 31 Jul 1996
 (Subject: Re: Can)
 >
 > The generally accepted view is that they started to go downhill
 > when they signed to Virgin in '75, although that's not to say that
 > some of the Virgin material isn't good.  Generally, the earlier the
 > better, although 'Monster Movie', their first (proper) album is
 > more of a free-form rock monster than the more groove-oriented
 > material of their later stuff.  Everything is available,
 > remastered, on a series of CDs on their own Spoon label (through
 > Mute) so getting hold of albums should prove no difficulty.
 >
 > Can Discography:
 >
 > Delay 68 (1968) (originally a limited edtion of 500 pressed)
 > Monster Movie (1969) Soundtracks (1970) Tago Mago (1971) Ege
 > Bamyasi (1972) Future Days (1973) Limited Edition (1974)

 "Limited Edition" later reissued as "Unlimited Edition", with extra
 tracks.  That album excepted, all those above are absolutely first rate
 and essential.  "Unlimited Edition" is good, but with a lot of filler.

 > Soon Over Babaluma (1974) Landed (1975) (first virgin release)

 "Landed" is the last really good Can album to my mind, though it is a
 little more conventional than those preceding it ("Vernal Equinox" has
 a superb guitar solo, but Can were supposed to be about group
 cooperation rather than solos).

 > Flow Motion (1976) Saw Delight (1977)

 Both very dodgy, though with some good moments - just came back from a
 music-free week in a holiday camp in North Yorkshire, and one of the
 first things I listened to was "Animal Waves" from "Saw Delight", which
 is the best example of Holger's obsession with using short-wave radio
 "found sound" to construct music.  Large parts of both albums are only
 interesting if you like the idea of a bunch of Germans playing funky
 disco reggae, though.

 > Out Of Reach (1978) Can (1979)

 Holger Czukay wasn't even in the band for the first of these, and it's
 the only album the band haven't reissued - they don't consider it to be
 a proper Can album.  He was back for "Can", but just for editing.

 > Rite Time (1989)

 The exception to the "Earlier is better" rule - this reunion album is
 not up to the standard of their early seventies albums, but it's far
 better than any of the post-"Landed" albums (features original vocalist
 Malcolm Mooney).

 > There are also various compilations, and related releases by Holger
 > Czukay, Irmin Schmidt, Jaki Liebezeit and Michael Karoli.

 "Cannibalism III" is a good compilation.  I'm not too impressed by
 any of the solo work, Irmin's 3-CD compilation of film music is
 boring for the most part, Holger's (pre-Can) "Canaxis" is a sort of
 proto-world-music-ambient thing (from 1968!), I'm not over-fond of
 the stuff by Michael Karoli that I have heard.  Jaki Liebezeit has
 drummed on virtually all the post-Can releases of the band members
 (and plays flute on the Czukay/Sylvian "Flux and Mutability", which
 is excellent).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 06/08/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Teenage Fanclub - Grand Prix


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:34:53 -0400
From: "it's me!" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: rare cds


        i just stumbled across this site which has the
        capitol promo cocteautwins sampler from the boxed
        set (including the phatness of 'dials'!):


        http://www.iye.com/rarecd.html


        hopefully helpful,

        dan k

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:40:37 -0400
From: "it's me!" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: lilliput


        same place has the following, too:

        | 865 | VARIOUS ARTISTS | LILLIPUT | 4AD | 15 | Promo-only 2 CD
set in hardcover with
exclusive 23 Envelope artwork. Very limited and very beautiful! | $150.00 |
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:36:17 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Cocteau / TMC Box Set (Uk Listees)

              "Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM" at Jul 29, 96 05:23:11 am

 Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM wrote on Mon, 29 Jul 1996
 (Subject: Cocteau / TMC Box Set (Uk Listees))
 > Can these be found in the UK still.  Anyone (Andrew N) still see
 > these in Leicester? I've got relatives flying out here in December,
 > so I'd like an attempt at getting my mitts on 'em (specially TMC).

The TMC box set was a Yankee thing and is only available over here on
payment of one arm and one leg, plus VAT.  The Cocteaus box (Euro
version with slimline jewel cases) was very limited as far as I can
remember, and I haven't seen one (outside my spare bedroom) for several
years.  5000 copies for the whole of Europe?  Something like that.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 06/08/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Teenage Fanclub - Grand Prix

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:51:55 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Shark / Miracle reviewed.

              Jul 26, 96 02:29:25 pm

 Dez <100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote on Fri, 26 Jul 1996
 (Subject: Shark / Miracle reviewed.)
 > Throwing Muses 'Shark' ep arrived today.  I guess I'll be in a
 > minority who hear this after getting to grips with the album.

 On a couple of listens to this, I'm not keen.  It isn't bad, but
 there's definitely something missing from the Muses these days, that
 queer, disorienting quality that used to make them so special.  This
 EP just sounds like another American alternative rock band.  Perhaps
 it'll grow on me, but I doubt it.

 > Heidi Berry's Miracle came too.  I discovered Heidi through the
 > excellent 'Doing It For The Kids' compilation Creation did six or
 > so years ago.  Her track on that, 'North Shore Train' was
 > blissful.  I bought her album 'Below The Waves' on the strength of
 > that, and found nothing as good.

 [Snip] - I agree entirely, and discovered her through the same
 route.  Nothing I have heard since comes within spitting distance of
 "North Shore Train", which is one of the most beautiful songs I have
 ever heard.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 06/08/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Teenage Fanclub - Grand Prix

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:37:56 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Early Muses


Whilst scrabbling around in the dustier corners of my house, I rediscovered my
back issues of 'I Feel Like An Alarm Clock' fanzine. Of particular interest is
an article by one Glenn Sheldon, an old friend of Kristin's. In it he describes
the earliest history of the band, first as Kristin Hersh and the Muses, and then
as Throwing Muses. He also lists the tracks on their first two demos, as well as
the commercially available first cassette release that they put out prior to
signing with 4AD.

The first tape (as Kristin Hersh And The Muses) was recorded in '83 with the
following line-up: Kristin, Tanya, Elaine Adamedes and a drummer called Becca.
The tracks are:

1. Nuke Your Heart
2. A Silent Promise
3. Don't Look Back
4. There's No Excuse
5. Don't Look At Me That Way
6. Lizzie Sage
7. Eyes That See
8. Happy Birthday

There are a few more details about the second tape recorded in '84, including
the lyrics. For this the name of the band had changed to Throwing Muses, and
David had replaced Becca on drums.. The tracks are:

1. Catch (Hersh)
2. Let's Go Outside (Donnelly)
3. Machismo (Hersh)
4. It's Not Too Soon (Donnelly) (yes, that one)
5. Bird Of Paradox (Hersh)
6. The burrow (Hersh)
7. Capital A (Donnelly)
8. Clear And Great (Hersh)
9. Desert (Adamedes)
10. Ant Song (Hersh)

The third tape came out in '85, after the Stand Up ep, and after Elaine had been
replaced by Leslie Langston. This was actually sold commercially. The tracks

1. Call Me
2. Sinkhole
3. Green
4. Hate My Way
5. Vicky's Box
6. America
7. Fear
8. Raise The Stones
9. And A She-Wolf After The War
10. Fish

Now some questions

Anyone have any idea whether this fanzine is still going, or what the author,
Allen Salyer, is up to now? It was based in Royal Oak, Michigan. I lost contact
with him about five years ago (and also his friend Laura who co-wrote the 'zine,
and also did her own called 'Crude' that I contributed to).

Secondly, does anyone have any firm news about the reissues that Throwing
Music/Ryko are going to be putting out, and what will be on them?

- Dez


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:56:53 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Does DCD start on time?


Hi all,

This is a question for those who already attended a DCD show on their
current tour. I was just wondering if the shows start on time or whether
to show up late. I remember on Lisa's solo tour the thing started when
the ticket actually said it would. Stranger things have happened.

Please email me personally.

Thanks,
matthew


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:45:43 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Tortoise / Stereolab rarities


I recently came across a stash of the following:

Tortoise (self titled 1994 release on Thrill Jockey) cd

Tortoise "Oval Remixes" 12"

Stereolab / Nurse With Wound "Crumb Duck" cd

Any opinions on how rare these are or what they're worth?


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:26:45 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: compilation name contest


Plans for the upcoming Dewdrops compilation are well underway.
It's probably safe to say that it will bloom around the
end of the year / early 1997, although we're going to try
to have it out before then if at all possible. There are
going to be so many great bands included... Elysium,
Eight Page Story, Super 31, Love Spirals Downwards,
Astrobrite, Half String, Alison's Halo, Luminous Orange,
The Sensualists, Dear Dark Head, Faith and Disease,
many others... Orange is even going to contribute a
previously unreleased track, and possible an old
song with the first band lineup, the one from the Dr. Death
compilation.

What we don't have yet, though, is a name. Since our first
compilation, the 4AD tribute Thurtene, was named by someone
on this list, I thought I'd make this one another contest
to come up with a name. You can submit as many names as you like,
with the only restrictions being that it can't be another odd
spelling of a number, and it can't have anything to do with 4AD,
since if you've forgotten, this is not going to be another 4AD
tribute.

So let's see how clever you all are, and maybe one of you
will add your name to the history of our record label.

ps. just last night I got an advance copy of the new
Clan Of Xymox (yes, it WAS labelled CLAN OF Xymox) from
Ronny, and after one listen, I must say it's fairly good.
He really has partially mended his ways and regained some
of the past. I can't tell much from a single listen, but
I can say that a couple of the tracks are the best I've
heard since Twist of Shadows, maybe even Medusa. A few are
fairly generic, but I think that this is truly going to be the
Xymox comeback album.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:19:20 -0800
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD cancellations

              Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:36:26 -0400

I'm happy to say that the Seattle show went on, as planned, last night.  (those
of you in Portland and San Francisco can rest easy)  Lisa's singing was flawless
and the show was phenomenal!

-cz

till 2 am and the music really stunk (for the most part).  But Brendan and some
of the crew showed up later to hang out.


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:28:21 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Tortoise / Stereolab rarities


>Stereolab / Nurse With Wound "Crumb Duck" cd

this isn't rare at all...why don't you just give it to me, just 'cuz I'm a
great guy...

signed,

the guy with a little piece of land called manhattan for sale

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:19:34 +0000
From: Mr Barnaby S Gunning (ucftbsg@UCL.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses


It was pretty damn muddy really.  David seemed to have a looser than usual
grip on his drumsticks.  Two Step was pretty on form though.   I was still
suffering the side effects for three days afterwards, but hey what an
atmosphere?  Did you get the impression the club owners had thoughtfully
turned the heating on full bore?

So overall:
95% for atmosphere despite heating overkill
90% for playing
20% for deaf technicians


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:00:57 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Tortoise / Stereolab rarities


>I recently came across a stash of the following:
>
>Tortoise (self titled 1994 release on Thrill Jockey) cd

Still in print.


>Tortoise "Oval Remixes" 12"

Just released.


>Stereolab / Nurse With Wound "Crumb Duck" cd

Just released.


>Any opinions on how rare these are or what they're worth?

Collectors bonus value = 0

Frank
++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
www.pi.net/~frankbri
++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:00:57 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: Tortoise / Stereolab rarities


>
> >Stereolab / Nurse With Wound "Crumb Duck" cd
>
> this isn't rare at all...why don't you just give it to me, just 'cuz I'm a
> great guy...
>
> signed,
>
> the guy with a little piece of land called manhattan for sale
>

it was recently re-released.


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:05:01 GMT
From: Bruce Philp (daisy@MAIL.BOGO.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: CT BOOT LIVE IN LONDON... for auction...


At 04:50 PM 5/8/96 EST, you wrote:
>-- [ From: Robert Fossum * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --
>
>sorry to clutter the mailboxes of those not interested..
>
>CT LIVE IN LONDON 1986 compact disc.. high quality.. nice graphics..
>
>No bid is too low although please include postage in your bid..
>
>thanks..
>
>Could we have more information please?
Which tour, venue, date, quality/source etc

I'll give you 15 pounds excluding P&P depending on the former
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:39:44 +0100
From: Andrew Massey (andie@AMASS.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Cocteau / TMC Box Set (Uk Listees)


>Anyone (Andrew N) still see
> > these in Leicester?

...

>The Cocteaus box (Euro
>version with slimline jewel cases) was very limited as far as I can
>remember, and I haven't seen one (outside my spare bedroom) for several
>years.


I may be wrong, but I think I saw a CT box set in that shop in the Silver
Arcade in Leicester a few months ago... There is definately a new one up
here in Glasgow in a shop called Echo Records on Byres Road - priced about
70 quid I think.

Andie

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:53:40 -0700
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: stars on esp - an indepth analysis


well, fellow listies - i've been mulling over hnia's "stars on esp" for a week o
 so
now.  my first thought was "the live tape that blu did during holidays was way b
tter."
 well, "stars" is finally edging its way into the pleasure center of my brain.

but that isn't what i want to tell you.  what i want to suggest is that the unde
lying
whole of this brilliant album.  "'stars' a brilliant album?" you ask incredulous
y.  "no
way is this on par with 'home is in your head'/'livonia' (depending upon your
preference - most of aren't saying 'mouth by mouth', so i'll skip that one)!" yo

counter.  "how?!" you demand.  if you will give me a moment, and stop interuptin
, i
will explain.

1.  what is "esp"?  well, i might be lying if i said it stands for extra-sensory
perception.  warren says it was a 60's label.  we should believe warren.  howeve
, the
whole idea of timeSTEREO (warren granted me momentary use of my caps lock key - 
ll
praise his powers) is that a tape recorder was sent back in time to record some 
reat
music (or something like that), right?  that is similar to esp (the former defin
tion),
while the time is esp (the second definition).  okay, so i'm reaching, but keep 
n mind
the sounds of yesteryear and the idea of a now-defunct label, as we move on to p
int

2.  look at the cover of the "stars".  think "hey, this looks like a record labe

sampler."  think "it has sort of a sixties feel, even though it has definite nin
ties
production methods."  we have a strange "27 mars 1996" date and a big old catalo
 number
right there on the front, just like on some of your favorite "in stereophonic so
nd"
recordings of three decades ago.  lots of relevant info on the front, rather tha
 buried
inside.

3.  now flip the gem case over and humor me for a moment.  this looks like a set
of
bands and album titles, catalog numbers and all.  catalog number 6010.1:  the ba
d is
"Letter" and the album/single is "Dub Love Letter."  catalog number 6010.2:  the
band is
"HOME" and the album/single is "This World is Not My Home."  brilliant.  catalog

number 6010.8:  the band is (get this) the beech boys, the song is universal
frequencies.  (definitely that one is from a parallel universe.)  these are the 
tars on
esp (the label).

4.  to clinch the interpretation of the album art, i turn to the image underlyin
 the
back cover (also found in the insert).  it is a coil of electrical wire, a rubbe
 tube,
a star, and such sitting-on/taped-to a table.  in the insert, it looks pretty mu
h like
a bad garage scene or a low budget mad scientist.  on the back of the gem case, 
owever,
it looks like an abstract turntable.  vaughn gets an applause from me for the
combination of 2, 3, and 4.

5.  the music.  well, it is mostly girl-band type stuff.  early sixties.  a litt
e beach
music (universal frequencies).  some of the more dark stuff ala - i can't rememb
r the
bands that did this sort of stuff, but i know that they existed - (what else is 
ew list
and answer to rainbow at midnight).  some leakage where the reception of the par
llel
universe fades or perhaps just where it differs from our own sixties (end of the
sand
that holds the lake in place and i can't live in this world anymore and, less so
 last
one - oh, and the beginning of dub love letter).

6.  this definitely didn't come from our universe.  these lyrics have some of th
 darker
sides of things that generally weren't discussed.  unwed pregrancies (what are y
u
wearing tomorrow).  suicide - or at least depression (this world is not my home 
nd all
of its variations).  murder (famous goodbye king)?  definitely only recordable o

timeSTEREO.  (okay, this isn't really an argument for brilliance, but i wanted t
 get it
in, while i'm analyzing a perfectly good album to...hello?)

7.  the music.  it is just out and out excellent.  even if i throw out all of th

arguments for the artistic wholeness of "stars," i still would love the music.  
he bees
is brilliant.  it just feels so wonderfully upbeat, it brings an ear-to-ear grin
to my
face.  universal frequencies is the best song the beach boys never wrote.  movie
is
simple, yet wonderful.  as usual, it is virtually impossible to explain why the 
usic is
wonderful without talking about either intangibles (the song is "simple, yet won
erful")
or using (imperial) tons of music theory to back up the importance of the piece.
 i'll
just leave it with the first three sentences.  "the music.  it is just out and o
t
excellent.  even if i throw out all of the arguments for the artistic wholeness 
f
"stars," i still would love the music."

so, while i won't say it is better or worse than , i w
ll say
that it is brilliant, as a whole.  that is one thing that warren (with the help 
f v23)
can do.  they did it with "home" and now they have done it with "stars."  this i
 one
i'm glad i bought.  (how often do you say that?) - drew

ob.electronic.freedom.watch - warren didn't *steal* my caps lock key.  he holds 
t in
escrow until a court order says that i need it, as per the ((re)re)introduced cl
pper
legislation.

ob.personal - to the people i owe email to - especially those near amherst - i'l
 mail
you once i get an apartment and get settled.


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:07:04 EDT
From: "Glen T. Greenman" (102724.3265@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Violaine singles


        I've been missing a lot of my mail lately, so, my apologies if this has
been covered already but...
        I finally picked up the Twins' Violaine singles today, which leads to a
couple of questions. First, someone mentioned some time ago another double
single set for Rilkean Heart. Was this released? Anyone have any info?
        Second, has anyone noticed that Circling Girl on the 2nd single is a
different mix from the version on Volume 15?

Glen


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:08:18 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Belly's swan song


Ripped from the guts of the Belly mailing list...

Kim Jester  wrote:

Ilene (or Irene) at Reprise records told me that Belly have recorded
"Lilith".  They will release it on the "Friends 2" soundtrack which will
come out in 1997.  They have no other plans to release the song.

Compiled without
Kim's permission by
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:59:00 -0500
From: oteran (oteran@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Piracy of fLUSH


At 10:02 PM 8/5/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Jens Alfke  sensibly points out:
>
>
>Not to be a spoilsport, but given that employees of 4AD and Warner Bros.
>have been known to read this list in the very recent past, you might want
>to prepare yourself for a fun little chat with a few of their lawyers.
>
>
>Thanks for the concern.  Part of the reason I am not hiding behind
>a forged email address is JUST SO such lawyers can contact me.  I'm
>a legal chicken and I teach ethics classes to boot, so it wouldn't
>take much to put me off this project.  My hope is nobody is going
>to bother about 25 copies of a compilation of mostly out-of-print
>stuff.  Then again I could be wrong.
>
>I sent several copies of _fLUSH_ (the earlier cassette) to Emma and
>asked her to let me know if the band had any problem with it.  I
>never heard back from her.  I plan to send her a copy of anything
>that results from this project as well. (I should mention that Emma
>and I have exchanged band related correspondence in the past, so it
>isn't just that she doesn't respond to things I send her.)
>
>In any case, if there are any Warner Bros/4AD lawyer types out there,
>please let me know.  This is your chance! Stop me now before I break
>the law again!! :-)
>
>Reality
>
>P.S. Has anybody got a dub of the LUSH version of Blondie's
>"Sunday Girl"?  I'm working an angle of including a few select
>non-CD tracks on _fLUSH II_...
>
I would probably be interested in buying a copy of this comp (depending on
the price).  Sorry, I don't have anything to contribute to it.  Keep me
posted......

Thanks from a non-lawyer,

oteran
oteran@shrike.depaul.edu


Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:29:04 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: Early Muses


According to Billy O'Connell, TM manager/husband of Kristin Hersh/all around
rad guy, the re-issue is ACTUALLY going to be a double CD released on
Ryko/Throwing Music early 1997.  The first CD will contain the self titled
album and the chains changed EP.  The second disc will have the 1985
self-released demo cassette and 5 new recordings (recorded merely a week
ago, and produced by David) of some of the songs from 1983.  It is going to
be a great great compilation, that's for sure....I can't wait to hear the
new/old songs redone....



hope this helps....


matt








At 10:37 AM 8/6/96 EDT, you wrote:
>Whilst scrabbling around in the dustier corners of my house, I rediscovered my
>back issues of 'I Feel Like An Alarm Clock' fanzine. Of particular interest is
>an article by one Glenn Sheldon, an old friend of Kristin's. In it he describes
>the earliest history of the band, first as Kristin Hersh and the Muses, and
then
>as Throwing Muses. He also lists the tracks on their first two demos, as
well as
>the commercially available first cassette release that they put out prior to
>signing with 4AD.
>
>The first tape (as Kristin Hersh And The Muses) was recorded in '83 with the
>following line-up: Kristin, Tanya, Elaine Adamedes and a drummer called Becca.
>The tracks are:
>
>1. Nuke Your Heart
>2. A Silent Promise
>3. Don't Look Back
>4. There's No Excuse
>5. Don't Look At Me That Way
>6. Lizzie Sage
>7. Eyes That See
>8. Happy Birthday
>
>There are a few more details about the second tape recorded in '84, including
>the lyrics. For this the name of the band had changed to Throwing Muses, and
>David had replaced Becca on drums.. The tracks are:
>
>1. Catch (Hersh)
>2. Let's Go Outside (Donnelly)
>3. Machismo (Hersh)
>4. It's Not Too Soon (Donnelly) (yes, that one)
>5. Bird Of Paradox (Hersh)
>6. The burrow (Hersh)
>7. Capital A (Donnelly)
>8. Clear And Great (Hersh)
>9. Desert (Adamedes)
>10. Ant Song (Hersh)
>
>The third tape came out in '85, after the Stand Up ep, and after Elaine had
been
>replaced by Leslie Langston. This was actually sold commercially. The tracks
>
>1. Call Me
>2. Sinkhole
>3. Green
>4. Hate My Way
>5. Vicky's Box
>6. America
>7. Fear
>8. Raise The Stones
>9. And A She-Wolf After The War
>10. Fish
>
>Now some questions
>
>Anyone have any idea whether this fanzine is still going, or what the author,
>Allen Salyer, is up to now? It was based in Royal Oak, Michigan. I lost contact
>with him about five years ago (and also his friend Laura who co-wrote the
'zine,
>and also did her own called 'Crude' that I contributed to).
>
>Secondly, does anyone have any firm news about the reissues that Throwing
>Music/Ryko are going to be putting out, and what will be on them?
>
>- Dez
>
>

Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:54:20 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: one more reminder


Here is a final reminder for the shows this week:

           Eight Page Story @ Genghis Cohen Cantina 10pm $3/flyer
                just N of Melrose on Fairfax


                5249 Lankershim, N. Hollywood 8pm $10
           Scenic in store @ Aron's Records (time unknown)

And of course all of us here know about the Cure on Saturday
followed by Dead Can Dance on Sunday (flu permitting).

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html