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Subject: Re: Live Alien Rescue Operation or The Whale That Became a Star
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 01:03:37 -0400
From: SonicMindDisease (ebn@UMD.UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Music Television
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 02:40:06 -0400
From: Susan F Curran (warped@WORLD.STD.COM)
Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil, & Portishead
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:44:23 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: A.C. Marias
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 15:36:55 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: A.C. Marias
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:46:10 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking '70s info
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:46:07 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Live Alien Rescue Operation or The Whale That Became a Star
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:39:18 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking 70s info
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:05:12 -0400
From: Italian priests in custard (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: I need opinions
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 19:14:54 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: A.C. Marias
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:44:57 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking 70s info
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:44:45 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Correct DCD tour dates
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:24:31 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@ATLAS.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Correct DCD tour dates
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 15:13:43 -0700
From: Michael Talvola (mikieat@earthlink.net)
Subject: Snippets circa 1985-1987
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:45:07 -0500
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking '70s info
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 18:57:18 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 01:03:37 -0400
From: SonicMindDisease (ebn@UMD.UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Live Alien Rescue Operation or The Whale That Became a Star


On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, princess dragonlisa wrote:

> Alrighty, I got this flyer in the mail from time stereo.. it is advertising
> a *video* by warn and crew and proclaims, "It's a *real* movie"
> (as opposed to an unreal one or a surreal one???????????)
> The official title seems to be UFO DOCTOR, the whale that became a star wrestl

> time stereo... there is another caption below it that says Live Alien Rescue o
eration by princess dragonmom ..... live wrestle match with pd-m, others hosted
> by the impaler..
>
> OK WHAT THE HELL IS THIS, HUH?????
>
> lisaroo
>   -on recconnait l'arbre a ses fruits-
>

IF my memory serves me correct it is a live video of various shows. IN
one PDM Show they had an alien discovery and autopsy; in another they all
wrestled each other and so on. IT is various themes used in PDM Shows in
order to keep the person's interst during the show and entertain. But
since I am not very certain since I Haven't seen the video and Davin,
KEnny, and Warren like to keep people guessing, you may want to find out
for sure....

grasshopper


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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 02:40:06 -0400
From: Susan F Curran (warped@WORLD.STD.COM)
Subject: Music Television

              digest processor" at Jul 28, 96 00:00:48 am

If you actually want to see music videos, as opposed to the sub-brainless
drivel that tries to pass as "entertainment", call up your cable company
and ask them to get Much Music.

MM started out as the Canadian equivalent to MTV, but they've recently
branched out to the US, and actually  show music videos! Their
"alternative" show is called the Wedge, and it shows lots of stuff MTV
wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. 'Course they show lots of crap, too.
Heavy metal hair bands don't seem to have become passe yet in Canada.. no
offense to the Canadians on the list. But they've also done in-depth
profiles on Mecca Normal, Tortoise and the Sea and Cake among others.

While you're at it, get the Independent Film Channel, too. If you're into
that sort of thing. I haven't been to my video store in months.

Tangentially related to this topic*, but really a different subject
altogether, my roommate just picked up the A.C. Marias album "One of Our
Girls Has Gone Missing" Wow. Words fail to describe how perfect this
album is. Problem is, of course, that she thinks it's her only one. The
other problem is that she's probably right. I'd love for anyone to prove
her wrong - even if it's some obscure, out-of-print title - at least
there'd be a hope of a reissue or bargain bin serendipity.

*the tangential connection is that Angela Conway (the A.C. of A.C.
Marias) has directed some videos, including one for Heidi Berry, of the
distinctly non-MTV variety. There's also a video for "One of Our Girls
Has Gone Missing" that she directed herself which is absolutely beautiful.
It's on one of the Indie Top 20 compilations which I managed to rent from
Tower.


   -Susan

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:44:23 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil, & Portishead


>    Anyway, I also bought Portishead's "Dummy", which i love, and was
>wondering if anyone had any other suggestions as to other Portishead
>material, or anything similar in sound.


Massive Attack, Tricky, Nearly God, Morcheeba, Lamb, the new Neneh Cherry
single (she will be working with Portishead and Tricky on her new album),
and a few more... try the 'trip-hop' section in your record store (because
the music press/industry gave it a name)

Polly Jane Harvey is going to work with Tricky as well (but who isn't these
days) and she's also planning to do something with Bjork (I loved Polly and
Bjork's Stones cover on the Britt Awards two years ago)


>    AND, I really don't know a thing about This Mortal Coil, only that Kim
>Deal does "You and your Sister" with that Donelley girl (a good song), but I
>remember hearing one song and thinking it was very HNIA-ish.  Can any one
>recommend a good TMC album?  And is the rest of the album with "You and Your
>Sister" any good???  Thanks a lot...


All three of them. In this order:

1. It'll End In Tears (with Cocteau Liz and DCD Lisa)

2. Filigree And Shadows

3. Blood (You And Your Sister isn't even the best track)


If you haven't got one of them you can also buy the US box set with the
three above and an extra 'orgiginals' cd (there are a lot of cover versions
on the TMC albums).


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, July 28, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl


Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 15:36:55 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: A.C. Marias


>Tangentially related to this topic*, but really a different subject
>altogether, my roommate just picked up the A.C. Marias album "One of Our
>Girls Has Gone Missing" Wow. Words fail to describe how perfect this
>album is. Problem is, of course, that she thinks it's her only one. The
>other problem is that she's probably right. I'd love for anyone to prove
>her wrong - even if it's some obscure, out-of-print title - at least
>there'd be a hope of a reissue or bargain bin serendipity.

'One Of The Girls Has Gone Missing' is indeed A.C. Marias only album. There
was a second album on the Mute release schedule for years, but it was
removed at the beginning of this year, and you won't find it in the huge
'Mute Bankstatement #1' catalogue, that was issued a few months ago.
But your roommate can look for these 3 Mute singles (all still available
from Mute Mailorder / The Mutebank):

'Just Talk' 12" (MUTE 50) featuring a long instrumental version of the A-side.

'Time Was' 12" (MUTE 70) with an unreleased B-side 'Some Thing'

'One Of Our Girls Has Gone Missing' CD/12" (MUTE 105) including the
elsewhere unavailable 'Vicious'.

It isn't much, I know.

Frank


P.S. There's another 7", released in the early eighties on a label run by
some of the Wire guys, that's too rare for words I'm afraid, but the tracks
might be made available again through that Wire Mailorder Service. They have
their own label WMO, and put out rare Wire and Wire-related stuff on CD.
Check out:


++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
www.pi.net/~frankbri
++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:46:10 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: A.C. Marias


Frank wrote:


>P.S. There's another 7", released in the early eighties on a label run by
>some of the Wire guys, that's too rare for words I'm afraid, but the tracks
>might be made available again through that Wire Mailorder Service. They have
>their own label WMO, and put out rare Wire and Wire-related stuff on CD.
>Check out:


The single in question was a double a-side Drop/So and came out in '81. Can't
remember if it was on Mute, I think it was. But it is ultra-rare (and I don't
have a copy)

- Dez

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:46:07 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking '70s info


Lars wrote:

>Then, just now, MTV played a song called "Oh Yeah" by Can, which
>sounded very interesting.  I don't know anything about prog rock, but
>can certainly looked the part.

Don't call Can prog-rock!

>So I was wondering:  Was there much interesting prog music being made?
>If one were to buy some prog, what are the essential releases one
>needs?  (Puh-leeze, no Yes or Pink Floyd.)

Not very much, though I personally have a soft spot for Peter Hammill's Van Der
Graaf Generator. I think there are a couple of budget compilations about, but
the best original albums are 'At Least We Could Do Is Wave To Each Other', 'H to
He Whom Am The Only One' and 'Pawn Hearts' which came out between '69 and '71.

>... Hm, weren't Can part of the "krautrock" movement, whatever that
>was, come to think of it?  And, uhm, Faust?  Is that a band?

Faust were a seminal band, along with Can, Popol Vuh, Amon Duul II and Neu.
There's a good Krautrock primer in this week's Melody Maker written by Simon
Reynolds, or alternatively there's Julian 'mad-bastard' Cope's book
'Krautrocksampler'. For people who think Stereolab are cutting edge, this stuff
is essential listening - it exposes them as the pretty weak plagiarists that
they are. I would recommend the following albums:

Ege Bamyasi, Monster Movie, Tago Mago, Future Days by Can (or alternatively the
two compilations, Cannibalism I and II)
The Faust Tapes and Faust by Faust
Phallus Dei by Amon Duul 2
Neu, Neu 2 or Neu 75 (or the compilation Black Forest Gateau) by Neu.

- Dez


Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:39:18 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: Re: Live Alien Rescue Operation or The Whale That Became a Star


>On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, princess dragonlisa wrote:
>
>> Alrighty, I got this flyer in the mail from time stereo.. it is advertising
>> a *video* by warn and crew and proclaims, "It's a *real* movie"
>> (as opposed to an unreal one or a surreal one???????????)
>> The official title seems to be UFO DOCTOR, the whale that became a star
>>wrestle
>> time stereo... there is another caption below it that says Live Alien Rescue
>>operation by princess dragonmom ..... live wrestle match with pd-m, others
>>hosted
>> by the impaler..
>>
>> OK WHAT THE HELL IS THIS, HUH?????
>>
>> lisaroo
>>   -on recconnait l'arbre a ses fruits-
>>
>
>IF my memory serves me correct it is a live video of various shows. IN
>one PDM Show they had an alien discovery and autopsy; in another they all
>wrestled each other and so on. IT is various themes used in PDM Shows in
>order to keep the person's interst during the show and entertain. But
>since I am not very certain since I Haven't seen the video and Davin,
>KEnny, and Warren like to keep people guessing, you may want to find out
>for sure....
>
this video (i don't know why, but i bought it for some reason) is basically
three movies, with a total time of about 45 minutes or so (i think).  the
first is a live show, as grasshopper said (is name that from 'the seven
deadly venoms'?).  VERY STRANGE.  very loud pdm music being played while
some guy rips out intestines and such.  has anyone else seen this?  who
plays the ufo doctor?  the next video is 'the whale that became a star.'  i
like this one the best i guess.  the music is actually nice, and it's kind
of funny in a sad sort of way.  it looks like it was made with a super 8
camera or something.  that last movie is another live show, which also was
basically a bunch of people dressed up in strange suits wrestling each
other while this scary guy in a referee suit thing yelled stuff.  i'm not
sure if i'd say it's worth the money, though.  but then again, i had never
been to a pdm show, so i thought it would be interesting, which it was.
there's also supposed to be another video coming out soon (i think noise
camp).
tony

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:05:12 -0400
From: Italian priests in custard (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking 70s info


Lars opined:

>Then, just now, MTV played a song called "Oh Yeah" by Can, which
>sounded very interesting.

I can't decide which part of that statement surprises me more: that Can made
a video (I'm guessing they showed some kind of film footage, right?) or that
MTV would play it (what program was this part of?)

> I don't know anything about prog rock, but
>can certainly looked the part.

Well, pretty much every Can album during their heyday (up to the mid 70s)
had pictures of the band lounging around the studio wearing huge flared
trousers, but they didn't go in for the trappings of mainstream prog such as
Roger Dean cover art...

>So I was wondering:  Was there much interesting prog music being made?
>If one were to buy some prog, what are the essential releases one
>needs?  (Puh-leeze, no Yes or Pink Floyd.)

Well, you could start by getting the Can's _Tago Mago_, the album that has
"Oh Yeah" on it, provided you liked what you heard, that is. Speaking of
Pink Floyd, it's worth pointing out that Can once brought in in David
Gilmour to co-write and play on one of their later albums, and it's about
that time that they started to suck...

>... Hm, weren't Can part of the "krautrock" movement, whatever that
>was, come to think of it?

Well, inasmuch as you could call it a movement, there *were* some bands then
that could be considered to have some similarities, but they were generally
all quite different. Julian Cope has written a book on the subject that is
apparently quite good.

>And, uhm, Faust?  Is that a band?

Yes, and a book, and a play, and a film (this could be useful when you're
playing charades)


Larry


Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 19:14:54 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: I need opinions


about these albums:

nicolette .    her songs with massive attack were beautiful. my favourite
songs on the album. is her solo work any good ? (can't remember the name of
the album)


raissa.  (never heard the name of the album)
           someone recommended this but I only got a chance to listen to
          the first track. is it worth $23 ?


I'm not asking for full review, cuz it's not 4ad music but I'm sure a few
lines wont bother anyone.

thanks
-naor-


may the force be with you


Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:44:57 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: A.C. Marias


Dez wrote:

>The single in question was a double a-side Drop/So and came out in '81. Can't
>remember if it was on Mute, I think it was. But it is ultra-rare (and I don't
>have a copy)

I checked, and the label is DOME, and the cat.# is DOM 45.1. Released June
1981. The 2 tracks aren't any special, but the record comes in a sleeve that
appears to be in bad condition, but that's just the design. The first time I
saw a copy I didn't buy it, as I'm very picky. Only when I saw another copy,
a couple of years later, in a sleeve that appeared to be in the same 'bad'
condition, I had a closer look.
Sorry, just a funny recollection from the days I spent almost all my spare
time in record stores.

Frank
++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
www.pi.net/~frankbri
++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:44:45 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking 70s info


>>Then, just now, MTV played a song called "Oh Yeah" by Can, which
>>sounded very interesting.
>
>I can't decide which part of that statement surprises me more: that Can made
>a video (I'm guessing they showed some kind of film footage, right?) or that
>MTV would play it (what program was this part of?)

The 'Oh Yeah' video MTV play is the one compiled from clips from a 1972 Can
concert, filmed by Peter Przygodda. The 'Oh Yeah' video can be found on 'The
Tyranny Of The Beat' Mute/Grey Area video (issued both in Europe and the USA).

Frank





>
>> I don't know anything about prog rock, but
>>can certainly looked the part.
>
>Well, pretty much every Can album during their heyday (up to the mid 70s)
>had pictures of the band lounging around the studio wearing huge flared
>trousers, but they didn't go in for the trappings of mainstream prog such as
>Roger Dean cover art...
>
>>So I was wondering:  Was there much interesting prog music being made?
>>If one were to buy some prog, what are the essential releases one
>>needs?  (Puh-leeze, no Yes or Pink Floyd.)
>
>Well, you could start by getting the Can's _Tago Mago_, the album that has
>"Oh Yeah" on it, provided you liked what you heard, that is. Speaking of
>Pink Floyd, it's worth pointing out that Can once brought in in David
>Gilmour to co-write and play on one of their later albums, and it's about
>that time that they started to suck...
>
>>... Hm, weren't Can part of the "krautrock" movement, whatever that
>>was, come to think of it?
>
>Well, inasmuch as you could call it a movement, there *were* some bands then
>that could be considered to have some similarities, but they were generally
>all quite different. Julian Cope has written a book on the subject that is
>apparently quite good.
>
>>And, uhm, Faust?  Is that a band?
>
>Yes, and a book, and a play, and a film (this could be useful when you're
>playing charades)
>
>
>Larry
>
>
++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
www.pi.net/~frankbri
++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:24:31 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@ATLAS.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Correct DCD tour dates

              96 7:31 pm

>
> Does anyone know if these following dates still correct, particularly the
> Los Angles and Mexico City dates?
>
> 09 August - Berkeley - Greek Theater
> 10 August - Los Angeles - Universal Theater
> 11 August - San Diego - Humphries
> 14 August - Dallas - Majestic Theater
> 15 August - Houston - Cullen Auditorium
> 17 August - Atlanta - Symphony Hall
> 19 August - Miami - Gussman Theater
> 21 August - Sao Paulo - Olympia
> 22 August - Rio De Janerio - Morra Da Urca
> 25 August - Buenos Aires - The Rock Stock
> 28 August - Guadalajara - T.B.C.
> 29 August - Mexico City - The Metropolitan
> 30 August - Mexico City - The Metropolitan
>
If you look in the most recent issue of Alternative Press, they list
the summer tour dates for Dead Can Dance, plus a nice picture of the
two of them.  I'd tell you if your dates are correct, but I didn't buy
the magazine...I just broused through it at the bookstore.

Holly

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 15:13:43 -0700
From: Michael Talvola (mikieat@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: Correct DCD tour dates


Holly A. Hopey wrote:
>
> >
> > Does anyone know if these following dates still correct, particularly the
> > Los Angles and Mexico City dates?

> > 10 August - Los Angeles - Universal Theater

Los Angeles date is Sunday the 11th at 8:15.


Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:45:07 -0500
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Snippets circa 1985-1987


I was leafing through the old 4AD issue of _Emigre_ (#9), and figured
some might like to (re)read some of the more timeless thoughts.  All
these quotes come from issue #9 of Emigre, which in turn culled many of
them from various previous interviews.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
Liz Frazer: "I just wish people would stop comparing the live shows to
the records."

Robin Guthrie: "They do that because it's not a wholly live thing - we
use a tape.  Nobody is ever sure how much is on tape.  It could all be
on tape as far as some are concerned.  Actually, to tell the truth,
we're playing a gig tonight.  We just switched on the machine and didn't
bother to show up.  I wonder whether anyone would notice?" [originally
from Melody Maker]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
Ivo Watts-Russell: "The Cocteau Twins and Colourbox are licensed to
Virgin Records in the rest of the world, excluding North America.  It's
a three-year arrangement.  The rest of the groups are occasionally
released abroad, but I tend to work with independent licensees, whereby
I sell them finished records.  I got fed up with having licensees all
over the place who did very little for the groups and even fucked up the
covers.  I quite prefer working with smaller independents who at least
distribute two or three thousand good-quality records in their own
territories, with the packaging exactly as it should be." [originally
from The Offense Newsletter]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
Rudy VanderLans (with reference to This Mortal Coil): You have a
distinct preference for a few artists when it comes to doing cover
versions.  There are three Tim Buckley songs you did.

Ivo Watts-Russell: Tim Buckley, throughout his career, and I don't know
how many records he made, eight or nine, went through so many different
phases and forms of music and, to me personally, achieved so much.  And
his voice... well anybody would recognize that I enjoy the human voice,
and I find Tim Buckley's quite exceptional.  And "Song To The Siren,"
which I ended up doing on "It'll End In Tears," is probably the most
beautiful song ever written by anybody.

a great job singing it.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
Ivo Watts-Russell: "Tim Buckley's "Starsailor" is one of the most
uncomfortable records I've ever heard.  I still find it a difficult
experience listening to it and, at the end of side one, there's this
beautiful song, "Song To The Siren", and his voice is fucking stunning.
It's probably the most important song ever to me, it's moved me more
than anything." [originally from Melody Maker]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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to have a graphic designer [refering to Vaughan Oliver] on staff.  How
important is sleeve design for you?

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-------
Robin Guthrie: "The Sleeves are for putting records in.  I wouldn't want
people to buy our records because they saw a picture of us.  I mean they
wouldn't anyway."  [originally from Q]

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 18:57:18 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking '70s info


Lars asked:
>So I was wondering:  Was there much interesting prog music being made?
>If one were to buy some prog, what are the essential releases one
>needs?  (Puh-leeze, no Yes or Pink Floyd.)

I'll confess to having dug Pink Floyd and even Genesis and some Yes in my
teens (back around 1981, before any of them started to stink _too_ badly)
and I still think early Floyd, particularly the live part of "Ummagumma",
is pretty groovy, but clearly that's not really what you're asking for.

There used to be a local radio show here that played a lot of European
art/prog/experimental stuff -- always a weird mishmash and I'm not too
clear on the histories or scenes or even chronology of the groups
involved but a lot of it reminded me of "what prog rock would sound like
if it had kept innovating instead of devolving into a sea of pretentious
cliches". Heavy jazz influence but without too much atonal skronking.

Um, the bands I recall I liked were Univers Zero (often ambient and
spooky) and Art Zoyd. Perhaps someone here knows more about them and can
keep this conversational ball rolling. Anything but more talk about MTV,
'80s corporate nu-wav and current 4AD releases!

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