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Subject: Shallow - Republica - Mamiko Sasaki
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 22:08:37 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Underground Lovers
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:21:39 +1000
From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (matthewk@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Red House Pantyhose
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 00:28:05 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: bad music on t.v - of course
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:31:24 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: bad music on t.v - of course
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:35:34 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@hal-pc.org)
Subject: Re: galaxie 500 boxed set
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:35:33 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Live Alien Rescue Operation or The Whale That Became a Star
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:46:57 -0500
From: princess dragonlisa (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: SXSW
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:56:47 -0500
From: princess dragonlisa (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: The Martinis
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:55:06 -0500
From: princess dragonlisa (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: De-Luxe This Rimy River
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:51:26 -0500
From: princess dragonlisa (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Re: William Orbit
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:15:21 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: UK music press
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:10:54 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: De-Luxe This Rimy River
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 18:36:36 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: bad music on t.v - of course
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:52:05 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: bad music on t.v - of course
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:41:05 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Live Alien Rescue Operation or The Whale That Became a Star
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:49:13 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: looking for bell & sebastian cd (non 4ad content)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:58:10 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: UK music press
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 14:05:57 -0400
From: "wendy \"grrr!\" lyon" (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Desperately seeking '70s info
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:18:14 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: The Olympic Death Squad
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 22:55:47 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking '70s info
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:28:22 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking '70s info
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:17:31 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Pod, This Mortal Coil, & Portishead
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:25:48 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: bad music on t.v - of course
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:19:17 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Correct DCD tour dates
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 19:31:31 -0700
From: Ryan (ryan@LEONARDO.NET)
Subject: Wanna buy some Young Marble Giants stuff...
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 22:52:16 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: Pod, the v23 design watch revisited
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 19:54:58 -0700
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Pod, the v23 design watch revisited
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:51:57 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: Pod Rough Trade etc
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:21:24 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: UK music press
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:16:52 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)

Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 22:08:37 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Shallow - Republica - Mamiko Sasaki


    I picked up Shallow's Cd lens cleaner today and I like it alot. I'm
just curious of what other albums they have out because I havent been
able to find any except for 3d Stero trouble.

    I also picked up Republica's "Ready to Go" today for like $2.50.
Anyone have any information on this band? Aside from the fact that some
guy from Bow wow wow is in the band. Does the girl get to write any
songs? or is it like Bow wow wow? Lwin didn't get to write any songs
either(or at least I think that's what happened, I didn't see her name
on the song credits).

    One more thing the first Pizzicato five singer was Mamiko Sasaki.
She sang with that whole breathy etheral voice that in my opinion
rules. I'm just curious as to what she's been up to since she resigned
P5. I doubt anyone here would know, the guy who ran the homepage didn't
know either but hey it's worth a shot.

                                        Brian


Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:21:39 +1000
From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (matthewk@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Underground Lovers


Hi all,

I've just finished designing a book for Vincent Giarrusso of Underground
Lovers, containing selected lyrics from their debut album Get To Notice, up
to this year's laidback beauty Rushall Station (which shares its title with
the book).  There's also a few excerpts from other writing, including a
satire on the music industry called The Bogstar Ritual.

Vincent's selling then for $20 Australian from a limited run of 500 - you
can order by mailing
Mainstream, PO Box 1203, Fitzroy North 3068, Australia
or e-mailing
mainstre@ozonline.com.au

Be sure to tell him I sent you, and how you found out about it!

                Cheers,

                        Matthew.

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 00:28:05 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Red House Pantyhose


You can ignore everything I said about the RHP release disappearing from
my distributors' catalogs at work... well on the other hand don't ignore
it.  They're still erased from the release lists, for some strange reason.

Anyway, my copy came in at the store yesterday.  Great album.  Some
thoughts -- parts of it sound indie-rock-y, parts neil-young-y, parts
mazzy-star-y; the "guitar solos" aren't really a big stretch from the more
feedbacky solos of the previous albums;  the backing female vocal is
*really*nice*!  who is she?; loud distortion crunchy rokk guitar; it
sounds a bit more solid than the earlier stuff...  maybe that's the
production... all in all a bit slicker, brighter than ocean beach.
Whatever -- I really like it!  I'm more impressed with this than I was
with the new His Name is Alive.

Mike


Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:31:24 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: bad music on t.v - of course


>well, I do agree with what you're saying (sort of) but I HAVE seen three
>DCD videos on MTV.  I still have MTV, but a tiny little flake of credit
>sometimes is due.

>rick

I'm told mtv is very different in the u.s. is this true? from what I hear
mtv in america is mainly shitty heavy metal whereas mtv europe is mostly
crappy brit pop.
anyway, the reason we don't see many good videos on mtv could be that it's
not that easy making a video. great musicians are not necessarily good film
makers. the top 40 pop stars don't really give a damn about the quality of
their work (audio and video) so they produce all these ridiculous clips
which go very well with their ridiculous music. some artists are actually
better at making videos than making music, but I prefer those who
concentrate on the music. mtv can't very well play a song on a blank screen
so I guess television is not the right medium for quality music.

-naor-
feeling frustrated and angry with the world for no apparent reason.
just ignore me while I get over this.


Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:35:34 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@hal-pc.org)
Subject: Re: bad music on t.v - of course


> anyway, the reason we don't see many good videos on mtv could be that it's
> not that easy making a video. great musicians are not necessarily good film
> makers. the top 40 pop stars don't really give a damn about the quality of
> their work (audio and video) so they produce all these ridiculous clips
> which go very well with their ridiculous music. some artists are actually
> better at making videos than making music, but I prefer those who
> concentrate on the music.
>
Well, the first mistake you make here is to assume that the musician
has much to do with the look of the video.  *Most* of the time the
musicians just show up on set, do what they're told, and then leave.
It is the record label that hires the production company, based
either upon a prior relationship or else a submission of ideas.  If
you let musicians be the filmmakers, you'd end up with a lot of
absolute shit shot on consumer-grade video equipment, worse than what
we currently have.

The other thing to understand is that a music video is not a piece of
art, it is an advertisment.  And much like the commercials you see on
tv, most are unimaginative and follow well-established ideas within
the genre, but some are innovative and interesting, or at least have
some clever little bits of humor.  The other thing to understand is that
the vast ignorant majority of people in the world who like most of the
crap that commercial tv and radio feed them, are also interested first
and foremost in *seeing* what the band looks like.  Thus, probably
80% of all videos consist of little more than the band playing to the
camera or an audience, and some 99% of all videos at least somewhere
include this element.

Additionally, this is a very cheap type of video to shoot.  You don't
have to have a camera that is quiet enough to record sound with.
Your sets don't have to be very elaborate.  You don't have to pay the
talent (the musicians) anything.  Hell, you don't even particularly
have to do things right.  Did the focus-puller miss his mark and put
the musician slightly out-of-focus?  Great--we'll say we did it on
purpose!

>  mtv can't very well play a song on a blank screen
> so I guess television is not the right medium for quality music.

I'm inclined to believe the same about radio.

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 17:35:33 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: galaxie 500 boxed set


> Other artists also released singles with laserdisc video
>(though front 242 is the only other one that comes to mind at the moment).

...Yello, The Cure, New Order, Durutti Column, Siouxsie & The Banshees...

Frank


++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
www.pi.net/~frankbri
++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:46:57 -0500
From: princess dragonlisa (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: Live Alien Rescue Operation or The Whale That Became a Star


Alrighty, I got this flyer in the mail from time stereo.. it is advertising
a *video* by warn and crew and proclaims, "It's a *real* movie"
(as opposed to an unreal one or a surreal one???????????)
The official title seems to be UFO DOCTOR, the whale that became a star wrestle
time stereo... there is another caption below it that says Live Alien Rescue ope
ation by princess dragonmom ..... live wrestle match with pd-m, others hosted
by the impaler..

OK WHAT THE HELL IS THIS, HUH?????

lisaroo
  -on recconnait l'arbre a ses fruits-

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:56:47 -0500
From: princess dragonlisa (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: SXSW


I know this one's a long shot, but does anyone have the dates for
the 1997 SXSW yet? I'd like to make plans in advance if possible..

Lisaroo
 - Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo -

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:55:06 -0500
From: princess dragonlisa (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: The Martinis


This band saw supposedly formed by the two leftovers from Frank Black
and Kim Deal exiting the Pixies.. I never did find out if it was true..
Is it and if so did they release anything and what is their current status?

lisaroo
  -froglets, it's got a nice ring, huh?-

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:51:26 -0500
From: princess dragonlisa (ST5C0@JETSON.UH.EDU)
Subject: De-Luxe This Rimy River


Any more word on this lil' gem? When I was in LA a month or two ago, I
stumbled onto the actual arcana store (I thought it was in SanFrancisco for
some reason..) Anyway I asked and they said they were expecting it any day..
Any word?

Lisaroo
  -rock is art-

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:15:21 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: William Orbit


Anybody know anything about the film William Orbit put out in conjunction
with "Strange Cargo III"? Better yet, anybody know how to get your hands
on a copy?

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:10:54 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: UK music press


On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, wendy "grrr!" lyon wrote:
> If I put out a 'zine and the bands I covered insisted on having
> veto power over what I wrote I wouldn't want to cover them either.
> Would you?
> -----

It probably would affect they way I felt about them. But not to the point
of 'You'll never play in this town again' which has come from the lips of
NME editors to bands that didnt want to be molded into what the 'zine
wanted them to be.

Journalism, even the music press, has to have a little responsibility to
it. If you're going to publish things about individuals or artists you
have to give them the right to have a say in how they're represented.
No I'm not talking about record reviews here, those as we all know are
strictly opinion. I'm talking about interviews, feature stories, etc.


Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 18:36:36 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: De-Luxe This Rimy River


>Any more word on this lil' gem? When I was in LA a month or two ago, I
>stumbled onto the actual arcana store (I thought it was in SanFrancisco for
>some reason..) Anyway I asked and they said they were expecting it any day..
>Any word?


We are expecting it any day...



Emiel Efdee

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:52:05 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: bad music on t.v - of course


MTV in the us might(!!!!!!) be ok if they played some music now and then.
sean


------------
Sean Devine
tucson, az
------------

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:41:05 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: bad music on t.v - of course

              96 12:31:24 pm

> >well, I do agree with what you're saying (sort of) but I HAVE seen three
> >DCD videos on MTV.  I still have MTV, but a tiny little flake of credit
> >sometimes is due.
>
> >rick
>
> I'm told mtv is very different in the u.s. is this true? from what I hear
> mtv in america is mainly shitty heavy metal whereas mtv europe is mostly
> crappy brit pop.
> anyway, the reason we don't see many good videos on mtv could be that it's
> not that easy making a video. great musicians are not necessarily good film
> makers.

I think the problem is much simpler.  When MTv first came out, they played
music videos and that's all they did.  So whenever you tuned in, there
were music videos (thus the name: Music Television).  Over the years, they
have added more and more "programs", which may be of interest to some, but
generally, they are not music videos - Club Mtv, The Grind, Liquid
Television, whatever that game show was, Singled OUt, Beavis and Butthead,
The REal World, Buzzkill, and lots of other crap...) not to mention more
and more advertising.  The result is that they don't play music videos
very often.  And what they do play is generally straight from the
billboard best-sellers, regardless of genre.

And god forbid you want to see something "alternative" - I use the term
loosely, because I see nothing alternative about Pearl Jam, or any of
hundreds of other bands that have had that label attached - it's only
shown on 120 Minutes, conveniently on sundays at midnite (it least it used
to be).  So what would the point be for a less that marketable band to
make a really good video, only to have it shown once at 2 am?

-greg

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:49:13 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Live Alien Rescue Operation or The Whale That Became a Star


On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, princess dragonlisa wrote:

> Alrighty, I got this flyer in the mail from time stereo.. it is advertising
> a *video* by warn and crew and proclaims, "It's a *real* movie"
> (as opposed to an unreal one or a surreal one???????????)
> The official title seems to be UFO DOCTOR, the whale that became a star wrestl

> time stereo... there is another caption below it that says Live Alien Rescue o
eration by princess dragonmom ..... live wrestle match with pd-m, others hosted
> by the impaler..
>
> OK WHAT THE HELL IS THIS, HUH?????
>
> lisaroo
>   -on recconnait l'arbre a ses fruits-
>
THE IMPALER- when i saw pdm a couple of years(1 year) ago, at teh
Majestic basement, my friends opened up for them. there was this
guy there who seemed like one of detroits more interesting
homeless/mutants. he seemed to think taht everyone was enjoying
what he was doing(reading and making noise), but what actually
was happenening is that people were laughing at him. i thought
that he ws really cool.
        as far as the whale that became a star, i have that book. are you
aware of it? probably, but for those who are not, warn has made a few
"graphic" novels/short children stories.(mind you now, not stories about
short children) and whale that became a star is one of them. perhaps this
is a cartoonish version(as if warn needed more cartoons).
hope that this helps
        sean


------------ Sean Devine                 tucson, az ------------


Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:58:10 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: looking for bell & sebastian cd (non 4ad content)


looking for a cd by a scottish (glaswegian) band called bell and sebastian.
the cd is called "tiger milk"

my brother, recently returned from england needs a copy.

send email replies to kalin@telerama.lm.com

thanks

todd sanders

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 14:05:57 -0400
From: "wendy \"grrr!\" lyon" (wlyon@DELPHI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: UK music press


On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:

> > If I put out a 'zine and the bands I covered insisted on having
> > veto power over what I wrote I wouldn't want to cover them either.
> > Would you?
>
> It probably would affect they way I felt about them. But not to the point
> of 'You'll never play in this town again' which has come from the lips of
> NME editors to bands that didnt want to be molded into what the 'zine
> wanted them to be.
> Journalism, even the music press, has to have a little responsibility to
> it. If you're going to publish things about individuals or artists you
> have to give them the right to have a say in how they're represented.
> No I'm not talking about record reviews here, those as we all know are
> strictly opinion. I'm talking about interviews, feature stories, etc.

To the extent that the press's representation of someone is based
upon any kind of personal vendetta (such as that you mention in
your first paragraph), I wholly agree that that is irresponsible.
But the press has no obligation *whatsoever* to filter its
reporting according to the wishes of those it covers.  I think this
is fairly obvious for the political press; why should the music
press, which *nobody* expects to be unbiased, be any different?

The subject actually came up in MM last week; the writer's response was
"We don't work for you. If you want an ad, buy one."  Sums it up
pretty well, IMHO.

-----
wendy


Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:18:14 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Desperately seeking '70s info


While listening to "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" by Tortoise, I
was (slightly) reminded of prog rock.  In a nice way, of course.
Those wild'n'wacky time signatures, those odd chord sequences, those
neat song structures.

Then, just now, MTV played a song called "Oh Yeah" by Can, which
sounded very interesting.  I don't know anything about prog rock, but
can certainly looked the part.

So I was wondering:  Was there much interesting prog music being made?
If one were to buy some prog, what are the essential releases one
needs?  (Puh-leeze, no Yes or Pink Floyd.)

... Hm, weren't Can part of the "krautrock" movement, whatever that
was, come to think of it?  And, uhm, Faust?  Is that a band?

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 22:55:47 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: The Olympic Death Squad


In the light of last night's event in Atlanta: what a name to chose!

Frank
++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
www.pi.net/~frankbri
++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:28:22 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking '70s info


Frank Brinkhuis  writes:

> >So I was wondering:  Was there much interesting prog music being made?
>
> No it's all shit.

Ok.

> >... Hm, weren't Can part of the "krautrock" movement, whatever that
> >was, come to think of it?  And, uhm, Faust?  Is that a band?
>
> Is this a joke?????

No.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:17:31 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking '70s info


Lars wrote:
>While listening to "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" by Tortoise, I
>was (slightly) reminded of prog rock.

Not only prog-rock. That organ-melody in 'Djed' is stolen straight from The
Mothers Of Invention's 'King Kong'. To be more specific: it's a bunch of
bars from Don Preston's electric paino solo in 'King Kong'.


>Then, just now, MTV played a song called "Oh Yeah" by Can, which
>sounded very interesting.

'Oh Yeah' is maybe the prototype Can song.


>So I was wondering:  Was there much interesting prog music being made?

No it's all shit. Around the time of prog music the real interesting bands
all came from Norway!


>... Hm, weren't Can part of the "krautrock" movement, whatever that
>was, come to think of it?  And, uhm, Faust?  Is that a band?

Is this a joke?????

Frank
++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
www.pi.net/~frankbri
++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:25:48 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Pod, This Mortal Coil, & Portishead


I just picked up a copy of The Breeders AMAZING first album "Pod" used in a
record store, and it wasn't on Elektra.  It had the CAD blah blah blah 4AD
serial number, but it said it was made in the US and distributed by rough
trade.  Is this an import or what?  I thought all domestic copies of "Pod"
were on Elektra, but I guess I'm wrong.

    Anyway, I also bought Portishead's "Dummy", which i love, and was
wondering if anyone had any other suggestions as to other Portishead
material, or anything similar in sound.

    AND, I really don't know a thing about This Mortal Coil, only that Kim
Deal does "You and your Sister" with that Donelley girl (a good song), but I
remember hearing one song and thinking it was very HNIA-ish.  Can any one
recommend a good TMC album?  And is the rest of the album with "You and Your
Sister" any good???  Thanks a lot...

Matt

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:19:17 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: bad music on t.v - of course


Ha ha ha....

good videos on MTV?!?!?!?  Maybe when it first came on, but now, with the
commercial success of "alternative" music, a really good video is kinda hard
to find.  It's kind of ironic (dontcha think?...), that I recently found an
old video of MTV 120 Minutes, from not-so-long-ago, and in one show were
videos from Pixies ("Here Comes Your Man"), Pale Saints ("Blue Flower"),
Curve, Spiritualized, and a lot of other great videos.  Now, you have to
catch the last 15 minutes of 120 to get a good video (Unrest's "Make Out
Club", and an Amps video)....


Who knows, though, maybe MTV2 will be better....

Matt




At 12:41 PM 7/27/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> >well, I do agree with what you're saying (sort of) but I HAVE seen three
>> >DCD videos on MTV.  I still have MTV, but a tiny little flake of credit
>> >sometimes is due.
>>
>> >rick
>>
>> I'm told mtv is very different in the u.s. is this true? from what I hear
>> mtv in america is mainly shitty heavy metal whereas mtv europe is mostly
>> crappy brit pop.
>> anyway, the reason we don't see many good videos on mtv could be that it's
>> not that easy making a video. great musicians are not necessarily good film
>> makers.
>
>I think the problem is much simpler.  When MTv first came out, they played
>music videos and that's all they did.  So whenever you tuned in, there
>were music videos (thus the name: Music Television).  Over the years, they
>have added more and more "programs", which may be of interest to some, but
>generally, they are not music videos - Club Mtv, The Grind, Liquid
>Television, whatever that game show was, Singled OUt, Beavis and Butthead,
>The REal World, Buzzkill, and lots of other crap...) not to mention more
>and more advertising.  The result is that they don't play music videos
>very often.  And what they do play is generally straight from the
>billboard best-sellers, regardless of genre.
>
>And god forbid you want to see something "alternative" - I use the term
>loosely, because I see nothing alternative about Pearl Jam, or any of
>hundreds of other bands that have had that label attached - it's only
>shown on 120 Minutes, conveniently on sundays at midnite (it least it used
>to be).  So what would the point be for a less that marketable band to
>make a really good video, only to have it shown once at 2 am?
>
>-greg
>
>


Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 19:31:31 -0700
From: Ryan (ryan@LEONARDO.NET)
Subject: Correct DCD tour dates


Does anyone know if these following dates still correct, particularly the
Los Angles and Mexico City dates?

09 August - Berkeley - Greek Theater
10 August - Los Angeles - Universal Theater
11 August - San Diego - Humphries
14 August - Dallas - Majestic Theater
15 August - Houston - Cullen Auditorium
17 August - Atlanta - Symphony Hall
19 August - Miami - Gussman Theater
21 August - Sao Paulo - Olympia
22 August - Rio De Janerio - Morra Da Urca
25 August - Buenos Aires - The Rock Stock
28 August - Guadalajara - T.B.C.
29 August - Mexico City - The Metropolitan
30 August - Mexico City - The Metropolitan


Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 22:52:16 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Wanna buy some Young Marble Giants stuff...


I was wondering if anyone knew where i could possibly get a copy of the
Young Marble Giants album "Collasal Youth", and also the Rough Trade
compilation "Wanna buy a Bridge"....

Matt

Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 19:54:58 -0700
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Pod, the v23 design watch revisited


>I thought all domestic copies of "Pod"
>were on Elektra, but I guess I'm wrong.

Pod was the first and last Rough Trade/4AD release that used the UK
catalogue number. It was later re-issued by Elektra after RT US went
under...Which brings up another design "flaw": on the cover of the Rough
Trade US version, the word "The" in "The Breeders" is supposed to be filled
in with yellow.

Also, on the Scheer "Wish You Were Dead" CD EP credits, there are two
spaces after the word "and" in the line "produced by head and  scheer"

How's that for "nit picking"?

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Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:51:57 -0400
From: Bob (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: Pod, the v23 design watch revisited


also, one thing i noticed when comparing (over the phone, no less) the RT
and Elektra versions: Carrie Bradley's name is missing from the back of the
RT one, and on the Elektra version, on the CD, the words POD are not
highlighted, while on the RT one, they are in green.  Is this a rare item then??

Matt

At 07:54 PM 7/27/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>I thought all domestic copies of "Pod"
>>were on Elektra, but I guess I'm wrong.
>
>Pod was the first and last Rough Trade/4AD release that used the UK
>catalogue number. It was later re-issued by Elektra after RT US went
>under...Which brings up another design "flaw": on the cover of the Rough
>Trade US version, the word "The" in "The Breeders" is supposed to be filled
>in with yellow.
>
>Also, on the Scheer "Wish You Were Dead" CD EP credits, there are two
>spaces after the word "and" in the line "produced by head and  scheer"
>
>How's that for "nit picking"?
>
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>esoteric graphic design
>                  tmp@earthlink.net
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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:21:24 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Pod Rough Trade etc


Correct me if I'm wrong (i'm sure someone will) but wasnt the release of
the Breeders "Pod" before the legendary collapse of Rough Trade, and also
before 4AD did that mass contract with Elektra for distribution?






BTW Songs for a Blue Guitar is absolutely wonderful.

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:16:52 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: UK music press


I'm not and never have been purporting that the press has an obligation
to publish only what its subjects deem 'proper' or an 'advertisement'...

I'm just trying to draw a line, perhaps in an area that is already far
too grey, between responsible journalism and irresponsible crap. Personal
vendettas are obviously crap. I also think publishing spreads in which
the likes of Slowdive, Chapterhouse, Ride, Lush, MBV and Swervedriver are
all lumped together as 'scene' is crap... I think the press in question
has annoying habit of pullings stunts like that and its mostly to the
detriment of the music. (look at the lengths it drove Ride to!)

anyway, I feel this thread has gone to the point of splitting hairs. Yes
the music press is in the business of publishing opinion in many cases,
and if you get a bum review then tough tittie. Yes the music press is in
the habit of abusing their power just for the sake of proclaiming "THE
NEXT BIG THING!" only to be replaced by THE NEXT BIG THING in a week or
two. I dont blame bands for trying to resist the clutches of the press if
they can.