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Subject: TWP played as bkgrd music
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:37:14 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@hal-pc.org)
Subject: Re: HNIA in EW
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 01:31:16 -0400
From: Where is my Mind? (friday@APOCALYPSE.ORG)
Subject: the edge? (not U2); DCD at Greek theater....
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 02:11:05 -0400
From: bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU
Subject: Re: Great record covers
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:16:00 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:11:29 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: the edge? (not U2); DCD at Greek theater....
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 02:42:11 -0400
From: My Tang (LunarPie62@AOL.COM)
Subject: Great record covers
Date: 23/07/96 16:47
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: help...
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:32:28 +0200
From: huite (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: New things, new things...
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:58:35 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Cocteau Twins / Faye Wong
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:26:00 -0400
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@duq2.cc.duq.edu)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:56:22 -0400
From: "it's me!" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Great Record Covers
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:40:02 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Simon Raymonde's Guardian article
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:05:01 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Faye Wong Sings the Cocteau Twins!!!
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:33:05 EDT
From: mattn@MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Great record covers
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:13:10 -0700
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: the edge? (not U2); DCD at Greek theater....
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:14:55 -0700
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Jeff Buckley and Liz Frazer
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:03:56 -0800
From: Enrique Jimenez (Enrique_Jimenez@CCMAIL.SGO.SONY.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP: "Songs For A Blue Guitar"
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:36:44 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: Great record covers
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:48:15 -0400
From: Warren Focke (moron@ALIEN.SLIP.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley and Liz Frazer
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:37:14 -0400
From: "it's me!" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley and Liz Frazer
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:17:26 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: v23 in MCR
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:46:27 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley and Liz Frazer
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:28:09 -0400
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: RHP: "Songs For A Blue Guitar"
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:20:33 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: DCD Live in Boston
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:23:32 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley and Liz Frazer
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:01:46 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD Live in Boston
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:26:06 -0400
From: "it's me!" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP: "Songs For A Blue Guitar"
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:15:36 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Ultravox
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:01:41 -0400
From: James Sanchez (JSANCHEZ@HSSCAM.MIS.SEMI.HARRIS.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP: "Songs For A Blue Guitar"
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:49:12 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP: "Songs For A Blue Guitar"
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:30:48 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD Live in Boston
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:09:22 -0400
From: Barbara Maddaloni (AkiraK@AOL.COM)
Subject: bad 80s music
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:13:54 -0400
From: stereonucleosis (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: The Associates!!!
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:52:17 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Best bands from the eighties?
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:24:53 -0800
From: Enrique Jimenez (Enrique_Jimenez@CCMAIL.SGO.SONY.COM)
Subject: Upcoming Independent Project releases
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 02:07:55 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Sony buys 4AD
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 20:19:18 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: dcd second song
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 20:42:39 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Upcoming Independent Project releases
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:55:20 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Time Stereo taken over by Time Warner
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:11:06 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: bad music
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:13:12 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: more Faye Wong / Cocteaux
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:17:44 -0400
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: Re: GreAT 80'S
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:21:48 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: cranes: la tragedie d'oreste et electre
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:32:30 -0500
From: Kagin Lee (klee1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo taken over by Time Warner
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:24:43 -0400
From: SonicMindDisease (ebn@UMD.UMICH.EDU)

Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:37:14 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@hal-pc.org)
Subject: TWP played as bkgrd music


For the second time, I've heard a song off the last album by The
Wolfgang Press played in the background on a TV show.  The first time
was right after the album came out I heard a snippet from "Blood
Satisfaction" on an "Entertainment Tonight"-style of show called, I
believe, "Extra" or "X" or something like that.  Then, tonight I hear
a snippet of "Christianity" on MTV's "House of Style" [My fiance was
watching it, don't yell at me ;)]

Just thought you might be interested...

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 01:31:16 -0400
From: Where is my Mind? (friday@APOCALYPSE.ORG)
Subject: Re: HNIA in EW


> "Michigan-based His Name is Alive finally realize their potential only hinted
> at on their previous three albums.  The band has lost none of its pretensions
> but leavens them with inventiveness and guile.  Case in point:  "Universal
> Frequencies," a shameless rip-off - and heartfelt evocation - of "Good
> Vibrations."  Shameless but heartfelt, diffuse but focused, this album is an
> infuriating gem.  A"   -Wook Kim

what infuriates me is statements like "realize their potential only hinted
at on their previous albums" or "best of its class"... to me it's like, oh,
I didn't *get* the last few albums... but this one has guitar licks like
the beach boys so it must be good. or some junk. sure i think SoE is amazing
but I thought (and still do think) KoS is mindblowing amazing.  Whereas,
they don't.

> So, for all you folks who haven't had any luck finding the album at your
> local alternative record emporiums, perhaps you should be checking out the
> "New Release" rack at....K-Mart?  4AD has hit the big time!

please don't wish this.
it seems there are 2 places in this world for music: 1> quote "stars on esp..
his name is alive? they're not on our computer" so you must be crazy or
making this up (sez the look/attitude/expression). obscure enough that the
record stores don't give a damn (when i got the uf 45 they couldn't belive
that i would show up at 10am to get it and not get the hooters and the
blowpigs tickets that went on sale to the mob waiting outside) or 2>
hooters and the blowpigs, so popular, shove it down your throat, repackage
resale, re shove it down your throat, you are not allowed to dislike them
popular

considering the alternates, i'd wait a few weeks for an album and go for 1>

two cents,
reid

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 02:11:05 -0400
From: bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU
Subject: the edge? (not U2); DCD at Greek theater....


Anyone in the Bay Area ever been to the Edge
in Palo Alto, CA? I heard on the radio
that Lush is playing there Sept. 6(?)...
(conveinent for me as PA is next
the Mountain View where I work...)
Also, are DCD tickets still for
sale at the Greek Theater? The number
in the SF Bay Guardian isn't working
for me....

Thanks,
-B

===============================================
Brendon Macaraeg
Finger macaragb@acf2.nyu.edu for PGP Public Key

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:16:00 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Great record covers


> Dez wrote:
>
> >does anyone seriously buy records because of the cover?

I bought "Never Stop" by Front 242 because of the cover.  I had never
heard of them before, and the cover has lots of pictures of bald guys
in swimming goggles in glowing red/blue/black, so I had to buy it.

Hmn...  Yes, I also bought an album by Luxuria because the cover
looked v23'ish.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:11:29 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges


lee harvey fnordwald  writes:

> On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> >
> > And coke.
> >
> > I think everything that Guthrie said in all interviews between '85 to
> > '92 can be ignored.
>
>         ....aaah, same old 'im better than this guy cuz he's a dirty
>         drug sniffer' schlock.  im not even gonna go there, except to
>         say that robin+drugs=holv, bbk, some of fcc, treasure, victorialand
>         and basically the entire catalogue.  think drugs are bad?
>         then dont take them.  want to discredit the work of people
>         you dont know solely on the basis of their being drug users?
>         first grow a brain.

I'm constantly astounded at how much people are able to infer from
three short lines of text.  Did I say that "drugs" are bad?  Did I say
that music created while under the influence of "drugs" is bad?

People on coke have a tendency to say enourmous amounts of bullshit.
If you hadn't noticed, I would suggest you pick your nose out of that
bag.

Maroon.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 02:42:11 -0400
From: My Tang (LunarPie62@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: the edge? (not U2); DCD at Greek theater....


In a message dated 96-07-24 02:36:35 EDT, you write:

>Anyone in the Bay Area ever been to the Edge
>in Palo Alto, CA? I heard on the radio
>that Lush is playing there Sept. 6(?)...
>(conveinent for me as PA is next
>the Mountain View where I work...)
>Also, are DCD tickets still for
>sale at the Greek Theater? The number
>in the SF Bay Guardian isn't working

yup the edge is pretty cool. nice club to see lush. even from the back you
can see well. i was at the love and rockets concert there and the very back
where there are seats to stand up on are a good place to be.  dont know about
dcd at the greek but whats this about reserved seating at the greek???never
heard of that one before. there probably arent anymore tickets, they sell
fast.


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:40:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Great record covers


Simon,

I agree, us Brits do tend to be more snobby when it comes to our musical taste.
But seriously, I only posted that message to see what reaction I'd get from the
list. It's interesting to see how frustrated some of the replies are when you
post a blatant nonsense comment.

Paul.

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Great record covers

Date: 23/07/96 16:47 Dez wrote: >does anyone seriously buy records because of the cover? No, but I've come close. There was a great "And Also The Trees" cover from about ten years ago that looked like it might be a photo of Amazon rainforest. Then there was Section 25's "Looking From A Hilltop" which featured some cool mountain scenery. If I ever release another record, I'm gonna put a picture of me by Angle Tarn (taken from Angletarn Pikes) put on it. I'm a sucker for natural outdoor scenery ... but not that much of a sucker, I didn't buy either record. Anyone else nearly or actually bought records cos. of the cover? Talking of Section 25, Paul Walsh wrote: > With taste like that - GET OFF THIS LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > The 80's was a time for ACR, 23 Skidoo, Clock DVA, Section 25 ..... > not teeny-bopper-pop-trash like Ultravox!!!!! > > Get serious!! The same goes for all you people creating that thread > about other 80's trash like Flock Of Seagulls etc, when you were > wearing pastel coloured shirts and dancing to crap new wave some of us > were listening to things that mattered. Hee hee, now now Paul :-). I'm always surprised by the (imho!) historically appalling taste shown by loads of people on this list but I guess that reflects more on me than them. So many of the bands mentioned are generally regarded as a joke by Brits with any interest in the sort of music that this list covers. You only have to look at the differing attitudes to the likes of Depeche Mode. I've always had the impression that us Brits are more snobby than most nations when it comes to music. Simon Hughes P.S. I used to be an Elton John fan. A long long time ago.

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:32:28 +0200
From: huite (huite@XS4ALL.NL)
Subject: help...


Sorry I have to do it this way...
Can anybody tell me if it's possible to disconnect from 4ad-l for a couple
of weeks?

cheers,

Huite

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:58:35 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: New things, new things...


His Name Is Alive - Universal Frequencies & Stars on ESP

These two releases segue nicely into one another -- Stars on ESP
starts with an echo of the end of UF.  Neat!

So, you've probably bought these two thingies already, so there's no
point in describing it.  I'll do it anyway.  It's like HIIYH played by
the Dirt Eaters.  Basically.

The first time I listened to it, I found it all to be a total mess.
"What's going on here?"  Loud noises dropping in from nowhere; the
endless repition of the most repetitious song HNIA has ever done
("this world is not my home / this world is not my home"); sweeet pop
tunes; MALE vocalists here and there; Karin Oliver; guitar; oddities.
The second time through it all felt *extremely* familiar -- it fell
into place and made sense.  "This world is not my home..."  Irritating
song.  It's repeated 5 times over these two releases and I've been
singing it to myself for hours.  Warn:  You're an evil man.

Nice album.  Three thumbs up.  Etc.  I liked the last album better,
though.


Lush - 500 (Shake Baby Shake) 1 & 2

So, they decided to release the most annoyingly sweet song from the
album as a single.  Blecch.  It's even sweeter here, and I can't bear
to listen to it again.  As for the extra tracks -- Emma and Miki have
cunningly avoided to write a single new tracks, so it's a mixture of
covers, rerecordings, remixes and a song written by the bassist.
Yawn.  The design of the singles follows the lead of the other
singles, except that they have used the same imagery on both
releases.  My guess is that they ran out of pictures.  In fact, this
whole thing has "Will This Do?" written over it in ten feet high neon
letters.  Steer clear of this, well, crap.  (What's my excuse for
buying them?  They were *cheap*.  What's up with that single sale in
the UK?  Why are all the singles so cheap these days?)


Fax -- Otras 2 & 62 Eulengasse

Fax are also on sale these days, so I consulted e's excellent Fax
overview and bought these two cd's, which are my very first excursions
into Faxland.  And it's, well, like I expected.  Makes the Aphex
Twin's "Selected Ambient Works II" seem like chipmunk gabba jungle
hardcore.  52 minute tracks that go whoooooooosh forever.  And it's
great!  I've bever heard anything this, uhm, *pure*.  No bird cheeps.
No samples from films.  No female vocalist that goes
"whoeeeeeiiyyargh".  No nuthin'.  Just this electronic, nondigital
swirlyness with nary a beat in sight.  Some quite "ugly" sounds, in a
way, so it's not boring or anything.  Very ambient.  Very analogue.
Very non-sequenced -- it all sounds like it's being played by humans.
Yes, that's it -- it's organic.  (Otras 2 has beats and stuff,
though.)

I think I'll order a whole slew of these thinges when I get some more
money.

--
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart
     would have to wait until some other time."


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:26:00 -0400
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@duq2.cc.duq.edu)
Subject: Cocteau Twins / Faye Wong


For those of you interested in mail ordering the Cocteau Twins / Faye Wong
related CDs, I found the following:

Faye Wong: Random Thinking (Bluebeard cover) $16.50 + tax
Faye Wong: Impatience (songs written for her by CTs) $16.50 + tax
Cocteau Twins (Asian version w/ Faye/Liz "duet") $18.00 + tax



(They'll take credit card #s over the phone, but I don't have the number,
but I'm sure you can get it when you Email to them)

By the way, this is in San Francisco, so you Bay Area people can go to
the store in Chinatown.


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:56:22 -0400
From: "it's me!" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges


On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen reiterated:

> > > I think everything that Guthrie said in all interviews between '85 to
> > > '92 can be ignored.


And then went on to say that:

> I'm constantly astounded at how much people are able to infer from
> three short lines of text.  Did I say that "drugs" are bad?  Did I say
> that music created while under the influence of "drugs" is bad?
>
> People on coke have a tendency to say enourmous amounts of bullshit.
> If you hadn't noticed, I would suggest you pick your nose out of that
> bag.



        aaah, here we go. so if i didnt notice the univeral truth
        that whatever cocaine users say is not to be respected,
        then i myself must be a cocaine user?

        classic dodge technique there, lars: if I disagree with
        you about the evils of coke, then of course I am to be
        damned as an evil cokefiend, rather than engaged in the
        discussion you started. which, i remind the peanut gallery,
        was this monument of critical thought:


        'I think everything that Guthrie said in all interviews between
        '85 to'92 can be ignored'


        what a pile of shit _youre_ talking, lars.

        get a clue, please, and then a brain. and if you
        cannot resist the urge to make wholesale condemnations
        of things said by a man that i deeply respect on a list
        devoted in part to the discussion of his work, then you have
        to expect me and probably others to publically but politely
        ask you to fuck off.

        or simply to post to alt.selfrighteous.shallow.antidrugcrusader


        

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:40:02 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Great Record Covers


  Before I was an entrenched fan, I knew of a few 4AD artists.  When
"Livonia" came out, the only reason I plunked down $ 24 was because of
the cover...still one of the best.


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:05:01 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Simon Raymonde's Guardian article

              <10469.199607221427@hawk.le.ac.uk>

I got a few requests to type in some quotes from Simon Raymonde's article
that appeared in the 12/7/96 tabloid section of The Guardian
(UK national newspaper).  There was some interest in what I meant by "Simon
shoots himself in the foot a couple of times" so I'll just explain that I
wasn't commenting on the decision to play Lollapalooza as such.  I'll come
back to it below.  My comments are in {}.  Basically I think that Simon
expressed a good deal of po-faced intolerance (though any anger about the
mud throwing is of course justified).

"Metallica, Soundgarden, the Ramones, and Rancid.  I think it would be fair
to say that these groups are at a certain end of the rock spectrum. ... I'm
all in favour of the occasional burst of Ace of Spades, but en masse this
kind of music is frankly ugly."

"The thought of being bottled off every night for a whole month was too
hideous to contemplate, but the challenge of just the one show seemed quite
appealing, in a perverse sort of way."

"I can imagine that the ticket for the show states: `Metallica and
Soundgarden cordially invite you to witness their startlingly original
brand of rock at Longview Lake.  Bring a bottle (to throw).  Dress: shorts,
crap T-shirts and baseball caps compulsory."

{In the attached picture, shorts are common, but I can only see one T-shirt
and one baseball cap.  Security must have been lax.}

"The political bias of [Rancid's] music seems strangely in sync with the
white, right-wing attitudes of most of [the audience]."

{Erm Simon, what d'ya do, take a poll?!!.}

"Today, however I find [the Ramones] offensive.  At the end of one of their
songs, Joey Ramone ... says `... we are the Ramones, *not* the Shrimp
Cocktail Twins!'"

"When I sit down at the piano to play Half-gifts, an extremely slow
melancholic ballad, I'm laughing hard at the absurdity of this moment ... I
think back to Joey Ramone and wonder if he's ever taken a musical risk this
big."

{Maybe not, but so what!!  I found this comment, which seemed to me to be
both critical of the Ramones and self-congratulatory, quite ironic given
widely held opinions around here that The Cocteaus ceased to take risks in
their recorded output some years ago.}

"Then Liz catches one full in the face, yet with great style and aplomb
despite the huge cake of mud in her gob, says a very polite "thank you",
turns and walks off.  We eagerly follow."

{Simon goes on to describe his meeting with three Cocteaus fans (10-12
years old).  The way Simon describes them, they sound like they've watched
too much MTV.}

"Just when I was ready to dismiss a whole generation, along come those
three boys to confound my expectations."

{I might give the benefit of the doubt and guess that Simon is being
flippant when he talks of dismissing a generation (my, obviously
uninformed, guess is that only a small proportion of the Lollapalooza
audience were involved in the mud throwing).  But to change his mind just
because he meets three otherwise unappealing lads who like The Cocteaus
seems daft!}

Simon Hughes


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:33:05 EDT
From: mattn@MIT.EDU
Subject: Faye Wong Sings the Cocteau Twins!!!


I don't know if it was Faye Wong that I heard, but there is a
chinese popstar who took the music of CT's bluebeard and the Cranberries'
dreams and sung it in mandarin or cantonese.  Unfortunately, the other
tracks that I heard on the album were sickly sweet and poorly instrumented
very standard love songs.

-----------
Matt Neimark                      (617)225-7450
143 Albany St.
Cambridge, Ma 02139


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:13:10 -0700
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Great record covers


That Luxuria cover IS by V23 (actually, both of their albums, "Unanswerable
Lust" and "Beast Box" feature V23 artwork...Howard Devoto fans, go to those
used cd bins--I'm sure you'll find one of these great albums.

Peter

>Hmn...  Yes, I also bought an album by Luxuria because the cover
>looked v23'ish.
>
>--
>(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen
>
>

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:14:55 -0700
From: Snarlo (repetti@UCLINK4.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: the edge? (not U2); DCD at Greek theater....


Tickets for DCD at the Greek Theater went on sale two sundays ago...$42.50
(!!!) for a ringside seat, $25.00 for the lawn...

>Also, are DCD tickets still for
>sale at the Greek Theater? The number
>in the SF Bay Guardian isn't working
>for me....
>
>Thanks,
>-B
>
>===============================================
>Brendon Macaraeg
>Finger macaragb@acf2.nyu.edu for PGP Public Key
>
>


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:03:56 -0800
From: Enrique Jimenez (Enrique_Jimenez@CCMAIL.SGO.SONY.COM)
Subject: Jeff Buckley and Liz Frazer


     Has anyone else heard the story about Liz Frazer having an affair with
     Jeff Buckley?

     There are two facts apart from a rumour I heard through the grapevine:

     1. There is an acknowledgment on the liner notes of Milk and Kisses to
     Buckley, he is described as the Rilkean hearted friend.

     2. I have seen Jeff Buckley perform the song "Ivo" at his concerts.

     Does anyone have more clues or comments about this?

     Sorry if this has been discussed on this list before.


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:36:44 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: Re: RHP: "Songs For A Blue Guitar"


>Last I heard, the release date for the newest/non-4AD debut from the Red
>House Painters on Island Independent/Supreme Recordings entitled "Songs For A
>Blue Guitar" was slated for today 6/23/96.
>
>Has anyone heard anything to the contrary? Will Island's crack distribution
>team (i.e. up-to-snuff...er...i.e. nothing to do with any form of cocaine)
>prove better than that of good ol' Time/Warner?
>
>Roy

i was able the get the new RHP yesterday at the store i frequent.  i can't
say much at this point concerning the quality of the music, as i'm only
listened to it 1 and 1/2 times.  nice v23 artwork though...i just wish they
didn't have to put that ugly rainbow band thing (island/supreme thing i
guess) on the side.

by the way, why did mark thank ivo in the notes?  i thought they were at odds.
tony

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:48:15 -0400
From: Warren Focke (moron@ALIEN.SLIP.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Great record covers


>does anyone seriously buy records because of the cover?

        Sure.  Frequently, if my finances are good.  It's a fine way to
broden your musical horizons.  (Something that some members of this list
could definitely use.) They often turn out to be uninteresting.  Sometimes
they're good.  I definitely have fond memories of one I picked up in '85
or '86 'cause it had a cool cover.  Can't quit think of the name of the
group right now ... some sort of Shakespeare reference, I think ... I
think the name of the album mentioned crying, or tears, or something ...
anyway, many of the songs had contributions by members of other bands,
many on the same label, and I sought out and bought records by those
bands, and they were good, too.  Now if only I could think of the name of
the label ...

w


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:37:14 -0400
From: "it's me!" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley and Liz Frazer


On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Enrique Jimenez wrote:
>
>      Has anyone else heard the story about Liz Frazer having an affair with
>      Jeff Buckley?
>


        she and robin would have had to have been married during
        the thing with buckley in order for one to label it an
        'affair'. and as far as i know, they (liz and robin)
        were not when they (liz&buckley) did it (whatever 'it' is).


        liz' present squeeze is the drummer from spiritualized, supposedly

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:17:26 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley and Liz Frazer


--- You wrote:
Has anyone else heard the story about Liz Frazer having an affair with
     Jeff Buckley?
--- end of quoted material ---


I heard people talking about this when I saw Buckley in concert (at least eight
months before the album came out).  He played a small club in Ithaca, NY.
There were twenty people there at most.  As a thread to the 4AD list, he opened
with Holocaust and it pretty much blew the audience away.  It was incredible.

Barry


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:46:27 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: v23 in MCR


UK Listies,
        The Vaughn Oliver / V23 exhibition 'Is Minty A Man' will be at the
Cornerhouse in Manchester from August 3rd

- Dez

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:28:09 -0400
From: Michael Borum (iceblink@TIAC.NET)
Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley and Liz Frazer


There was a form of relationship, the extent of which nobody really knows.
Liz has mentioned that "Twinlights" is about "that man" (meaning Buckley),
and if you listen to the lyrics to "Rilkean Heart" and "Half-Gifts"
(especially the latter), you get the distinct impression that much of the
perceived "love affair" was in Liz's head.  There are a couple other songs
on Milk & Kisses that reflect this besides the two previously mentioned,
namely "Calfskin Smack" and "Tishbite".

When the dedication in Milk & Kisses was revealed, I mentioned it while Liz
was in the room and Robin sort of shushed me and laughed, saying that she
"doesn't think anyone knows about that...she doesn't even think WE know
about that!"   So, believe what you will...there are no facts, per se.

Apparently Liz is currently dating one of the drummers/percussionists for
Spiritualized and is really into it (big surprise).

Mike
iceblink@tiac.net


At 09:03 AM 7/24/96 -0800, you wrote:
>     Has anyone else heard the story about Liz Frazer having an affair with
>     Jeff Buckley?
>
>     There are two facts apart from a rumour I heard through the grapevine:
>
>     1. There is an acknowledgment on the liner notes of Milk and Kisses to
>     Buckley, he is described as the Rilkean hearted friend.
>
>     2. I have seen Jeff Buckley perform the song "Ivo" at his concerts.
>
>     Does anyone have more clues or comments about this?
>
>     Sorry if this has been discussed on this list before.
>
>

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 11:20:33 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP: "Songs For A Blue Guitar"


> >Last I heard, the release date for the newest/non-4AD debut from the Red
> >House Painters on Island Independent/Supreme Recordings entitled "Songs For A
> >Blue Guitar" was slated for today 6/23/96.

> That's 7/23...its on schedule as a matter of fact.

We ordered two copies at my store and they never came in.  I checked both
weekly mailers for our distributors and "songs for a blue guitar" was
taken off all the lists -- last week it was a 'recommended release,' now
it's listed nowhere... not in 'recent releases,' not in 'new this week'
nowhere.  I guess it's been delayed, but I couldn't find a new release
date.

My friend told me about a forthcoming Galaxy 500 boxed set...

Mike

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:23:32 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: DCD Live in Boston


I caught Dead Can Dance at the Harborlights in Boston last Friday.  Part of the
show were phenomenal (Oman, Yulunga and Rakim were great).  But Lisa pulled a
big diva move and wouldn't come out for an encore because it was "too humid".
Gee - I wonder how she would have felt if she had to sit wit h a thousand
people in the audience...It was considerably humid for us, too....I sat behind
the sound board and was privvy to the set list, but DCD did not play the list
in order.  The encore was a drum solo and then a folkie Brendon song that
didn't make much of an impact (the acoustics did not lend themselves to his
pieces).  The set list called the drum solo "Bolero" but I have no idea if it
was correct.  I'd love to know if any listees were at the concert and could
identify the 2nd song played (set list said "Song of the Dispossessed", but it
sounded nothing like it).  I thought this song was the best thing I have ever
heard from them.

Barry


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:01:46 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley and Liz Frazer

              Jul 24, 96 09:03:56 am

>      Has anyone else heard the story about Liz Frazer having an affair with
>      Jeff Buckley?

Yup.

>      There are two facts apart from a rumour I heard through the grapevine:
>
>      1. There is an acknowledgment on the liner notes of Milk and Kisses to
>      Buckley, he is described as the Rilkean hearted friend.
>
>      2. I have seen Jeff Buckley perform the song "Ivo" at his concerts.
>
>      Does anyone have more clues or comments about this?

I don't know what's been discussed her before, but a friend of mine met
Liz later in the evening after their show in Atlanta on the 4CC tour.  And
the place where he met her?...a Jeff Buckley show.  So at that point she
was rather keen on him.

but I've heard she has another beau now, though I don't recall who...

-greg

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:26:06 -0400
From: "it's me!" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD Live in Boston


On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Barry A. Mathews wrote:

> ...identify the 2nd song played (set list said "Song of the Dispossessed", but
it
> sounded nothing like it).  I thought this song was the best thing I have ever
> heard from them.
>

        in ann arbor they played a song heretofore unrecorded,
        which was also performed by lisa gerrard on her
        solo tour.  i wonder if this song is the one you
        are speaking ov?  sorry that u didnt get to hear
        'dreams made flesh' as an encore, cuz it's HOT!

        diva, schmiva, lisa can do what eeeeeever she wants to.


        thankful to merely occupy the same planet that b $ l do...
        dan k

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:15:36 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: RHP: "Songs For A Blue Guitar"


I would tend to say that its a typical 'first release' screwup...seeing as
how this IS Supreme's first release.

At the record release party last night, the head of the label told me that
he himself hadn't gone into a store yet, but that it was shipped...


>> >Last I heard, the release date for the newest/non-4AD debut from the Red
>> >House Painters on Island Independent/Supreme Recordings entitled "Songs
For A
>> >Blue Guitar" was slated for today 6/23/96.
>
>> That's 7/23...its on schedule as a matter of fact.
>
>We ordered two copies at my store and they never came in.  I checked both
>weekly mailers for our distributors and "songs for a blue guitar" was
>taken off all the lists -- last week it was a 'recommended release,' now
>it's listed nowhere... not in 'recent releases,' not in 'new this week'
>nowhere.  I guess it's been delayed, but I couldn't find a new release
>date.
>
>My friend told me about a forthcoming Galaxy 500 boxed set...
>
>Mike
>
>

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:01:41 -0400
From: James Sanchez (JSANCHEZ@HSSCAM.MIS.SEMI.HARRIS.COM)
Subject: Re: Ultravox


Hello,
Speaking of Steve Strange of Visage what ever became of him some type
of New Wave pop star retirement home or something........

                                       James


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:49:12 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP: "Songs For A Blue Guitar"


I've had the new RHP for about a week now (radio promo) and I'll put in
my vote for it not being nearly as good as their early work.  A few songs
are brilliant (the first track, and "Make Like Paper") but I found there
to be more than too much country and folk flavor for my taste.  And what
is with the backing female vocals?  Ugh.

However, this is not to say that it's not worth a purchase.

jason eugene


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:30:48 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: RHP: "Songs For A Blue Guitar"


At 11:36 AM 7/24/96, a.e. nelson wrote:

>i was able the get the new RHP yesterday at the store i frequent.  i can't
>say much at this point concerning the quality of the music, as i'm only
>listened to it 1 and 1/2 times.  nice v23 artwork though...i just wish they
>didn't have to put that ugly rainbow band thing (island/supreme thing i
>guess) on the side.
>
>by the way, why did mark thank ivo in the notes?  i thought they were at odds.


Probably thanked Ivo the Ego for releasing him from 4AD. I have a
pre-released tape of the album and I think it is really good.

Fred Collins

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:09:22 -0400
From: Barbara Maddaloni (AkiraK@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD Live in Boston


>I caught Dead Can Dance at the Harborlights in Boston last >Friday.  Part of
the
>show were phenomenal (Oman, Yulunga and Rakim were great).  >But Lisa pulled
a
>big diva move and wouldn't come out for an encore because it >was "too
humid".

How did you find out that they didn't come out because Lisa thought it was
too humid?  I was there as well and couldn't understand what Brendan muttered
at the end.  Was that what he said?  The reason I am asking is because I also
attended the NY show which was AMAZING.  They did both encores and 'Dreams
Made Flesh' was superb.  The crowd at the NY show was much better, you could
hear a pin drop in between songs/applause.  The Boston crowd, probably
because it was outside, was loud and talking through the whole thing.  I
thought that's why they didn't come out.  If I were them I wouldn't have come
out for the first encore!

 >I'd love to know if any listees were at the concert and could
>identify the 2nd song played (set list said "Song of the >Dispossessed", but
it
>sounded nothing like it).  I thought this song was the best >thing I have
ever
>heard from them.

>Barry

I agree!! That song was brilliant.  I can't get it out of my mind.  The DCD
website has it listed as 'BYLA' on the Dublin playlist.


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:13:54 -0400
From: stereonucleosis (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: bad 80s music


Simon Hughes wrote:
> I'm always surprised by the (imho!)
>historically appalling taste shown by loads of people on this list but I
>guess that reflects more on me than them.  So many of the bands mentioned
>are generally regarded as a joke by Brits with any interest in the sort of
>music that this list covers.  You only have to look at the differing
>attitudes to the likes of Depeche Mode.  I've always had the impression
>that us Brits are more snobby than most nations when it comes to music.

Depeche Mode are a prime example of a British band that few people in the UK
gave a shit about at the beginning (and practically none now), but who,
mysteriously, are staggeringly huge elsewhere. Think about it: most of their
fans are Californian and German teens - not exactly people known for their
excellent taste in music.

Of course, the worst British bands are the ones that are *completely*
unknown in UK but manage to be successful everywhere else.

Larry, who also used to be a fan of Elton, a looooong time ago

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:52:17 +0000
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: The Associates!!!


I too adored the Associates in the 80's; I still like them/play them alot. I
have vinyl and CD's...I'd say they are in the top 30 of my favorite bands!
Tres cool! I also loved then and now Bow Wow Wow (one of the best live shows
I've ever seen...I have great photos from it!), Visage, and some of those
other great 80's new wave/Brit dance bands mentioned on this list. Some on
this here listy seem to have alot of the same musical taste (we old farts on
the list, that is...tee, hee!)

Carol Coney

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:24:53 -0800
From: Enrique Jimenez (Enrique_Jimenez@CCMAIL.SGO.SONY.COM)
Subject: Best bands from the eighties?


     How about the Chameleons? (even if their second album sucks)



     enrique
     "What does anything mean, basically?"


Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 02:07:55 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Upcoming Independent Project releases


The new Scenic 'Sage' CD-EP on Independent Project, includes a leaflet
listing a CD on Independent Project, by Jeffrey Clark, 'Sheer Golden Hooks'
(IP 053). Can anyone tell me when this is supposed to come out?
And is there a release date yet for the upcoming Scenic 'Aquatica' album?

Thanks,
Frank
++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
www.pi.net/~frankbri
++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 20:19:18 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Sony buys 4AD


I don't know if this has been mentioned before but here it is, just in
case...  There is a CD compilation from WRAS Album 88 called "Radio
Odyssey" that has two live tracks from 4AD artists.  Throwing Muses
contribute "Hazing" and Lisa Germano provides a neat version of "My
Secret Reason".  This album was released in Canada by MCA.

Another weird 4AD spotting is the soundtrack for "Foxfire", released by
Unforscene/Nettwer/Sony in Canada.  It features a bunch of alterna bands
including Kristin Hersh's "Me And My Charms" Strings version.

For Jane Siberry fans in Ontario, she touches down in Ottawa tonight
(July 24th), Toronto July 26th, Guelph July 27th and in Kingston on July
28th.  Check her out if you get a chance...

The Kelley Deal 6000's "Go To The Sugar Altar" album was released today
(July 24th) in Canada by Mercury/Polydor.  I compared both US and the
Polydor version and the cover art print job was far superior on the
Polydor version...

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 20:42:39 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: dcd second song


several people wrote

" >I'd love to know if any listees were at the concert and could
>identify the 2nd song played (set list said "Song of the >Dispossessed", but
it
>sounded nothing like it).  I thought this song was the best >thing I have
>ever heard from them.
>I agree!! That song was brilliant.  I can't get it out of my mind.  The DCD
>website has it listed as 'BYLA' on the Dublin playlist."



lisa sang this song at her mirror pool concert and it appears on the echoes
radio program live concert that is on now and again (song 5 on the live show)

i also believe it is one of their finest. i happened to see them in DC from
front row center and to watch lisa sing and the smile break on her face
during that one. most thrilling.


todd sanders

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:55:20 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Independent Project releases


> listing a CD on Independent Project, by Jeffrey Clark, 'Sheer Golden Hooks'
> (IP 053). Can anyone tell me when this is supposed to come out?
> And is there a release date yet for the upcoming Scenic 'Aquatica' album?

I think the Jeffrey Clark CD is out already, and 'Aquatica'
is released probably as soon as the Scenic tour ends, if not
already.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:11:06 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Time Stereo taken over by Time Warner


The subject line just a tribute to Jeff's 'subject line of the month'. What
I really want to know is if anyone can tell me whether or not Time
Stereo/The Record Collector take credit card orders.

Frank
++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
www.pi.net/~frankbri
++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:13:12 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: bad music


Simon Hughes wrote:
>I'm always surprised by the (imho!) historically appalling taste shown by
loads >of people on this list but I guess that reflects more on me than
them.  So >many of the bands mentioned are generally regarded as a joke by
Brits with any >interest in the sort of music that this list covers.  You
only have to look at >the differing attitudes to the likes of Depeche Mode.
I've always had the >impression that us Brits are more snobby than most
nations when it comes to >music.

and Larry wrote:
>Depeche Mode are a prime example of a British band that few people in the UK
>gave a shit about at the beginning (and practically none now), but who,
>mysteriously, are staggeringly huge elsewhere. Think about it: most of their
>fans are Californian and German teens - not exactly people known for their
>excellent taste in music.


Now this an intersting discussion. Let me introduce 2 new elements:

UK bands that are/where huge in the UK but almost ignored anywhere else (for
good reasons). For instance: post-'Bummed' Happy Mondays, Stone Roses, Oasis
and countless other bands on Creation.

Non-British bands of high reputation (in many parts of the world) that were
ignored in the UK for years. For instance: Kraftwerk, the whole Krautrock
thing (Can, Neu etc.).

People living outside the UK should be glad that they don't have music
papers like NME or Melody Maker in their country. These papers have an
extremely strong influence on the punter's taste, as they only write about
the bands that are 'in' and totally ignore or just make fun of other bands.
Most bands that are huge in the UK are first and for all huge because the
music papers MAKE them huge and not because they are good or because the
public picked them up.

Reassuring thought: Now you can find every happy Mondays record or CD for a
few pence in the sales and used bins of all UK music stores.

Frank


>
>Of course, the worst British bands are the ones that are *completely*
>unknown in UK but manage to be successful everywhere else.
>
>Larry, who also used to be a fan of Elton, a looooong time ago
>
>
++++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
www.pi.net/~frankbri
++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:17:44 -0400
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: more Faye Wong / Cocteaux


Can someone verify that the Faye/Liz "duet" on the Asian version of _Milk
and Kisses_ is an additional track, and that the rest of the album is all
there? While I'm at it, is the track at the end of the CD, or in between
two other songs?

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:21:48 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: GreAT 80'S


byt its 'Chilliwack' not 'Chillawack'

gone gone gone....


Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:32:30 -0500
From: Kagin Lee (klee1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu)
Subject: cranes: la tragedie d'oreste et electre


Did i miss previous mentions of this album here?

If you missed 'em too, here goes: new cd from the Cranes is their sonic
 adaptation of this tale.  The cover of the english half of the li'l
 booklet says this: Cranes - The tragedy of Orestes and Electra -
 Based on the play "les mouches" - By Jean-Paul Sartre.

The other half of the book is in french, and so is the rest of the
 cd, including the vocals.  This piece showcases the fine speaking
 voice of alison shaw.  Of course you already knew this if you've
 heard their interviews or the one song on "loved", but this is a
 half hour of her speaking.

The music?  As expected from jim shaw: doomy dramatic sounds with fine
 percussion.  Not much here in the way of songs, but that'd work
 against the concept.  I enjoyed listening to this for the sound.

Now, i saw this in the record store and bought it right away out
 of fear that i'd never see it again.  Then i remembered that
 dedicated was distributed throughout the world by bmg.  Find
 out if it's gonna be released domestically before you pay the
 big bucks for the import.

Anyone wanna transcribe and translate the words into english?

As usual, i like the new hnia.

kagin

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:24:43 -0400
From: SonicMindDisease (ebn@UMD.UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Time Stereo taken over by Time Warner


On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:

> The subject line just a tribute to Jeff's 'subject line of the month'. What
> I really want to know is if anyone can tell me whether or not Time
> Stereo/The Record Collector take credit card orders.
>
> Frank
> ++++++++++++++++++++
> Frank Brinkhuis
> frankbri@pi.net
> www.pi.net/~frankbri
> ++++++++++++++++++++
>

I believe Record Collector/Time Stereo take checks or cash (make checks
payable to Record Collector) but I haven't heard of them taking credit
card orders. I don't remember the phone number off hand (I live down the
road so there's no need to call really) but here's the fax # 473-9321 if
you want to find out for sure..


grasshopper

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