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Subject: HNIA List!
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 02:33:26 -0000
From: Where is my Mind? (friday@APOCALYPSE.ORG)
Subject: Joy Division/NewOrder Lyrics in DCD?
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:22:53 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: a certain ratio
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 11:36:14 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (BOO1OPR%bu.bbc@NR-COMMS.RADIO.BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: new scala cd!
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:27:22 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: LUSH 8 'Single Bloke'
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:56:09 -0700
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Joy Division/NewOrder Lyrics in DCD?
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 02:23:32 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: The worst of the eighties
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:47:34 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: Re: Flock of Seagulls????
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:44:00 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: Ultravox
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:42:13 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: No HNIA :<(
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:39:42 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ultravox
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:31:56 -0400
From: John Porter (jporter@BTG.COM)
Subject: not finding HNIA...
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:47:26 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ultravox
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:29:09 -0400
From: John Porter (jporter@BTG.COM)
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:37:28 -0700
From: "rod, the silly frood!" (rod@LOOP.COM)
Subject: Re: Ultravox/let the offlisty bullshwag begin!
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:39:44 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: The worst of the eighties
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:12:03 -0700
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: hullo!
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:33:51 -0700
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:18:13 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:03:41 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: new scala cd! yesyesyesyes!
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:51:51 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lwu@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Ultravox
Date: 22/07/96 14:31
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:27:20 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: DCD content
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:31:34 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:37:07 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: New things
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:44:39 +0200
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: GreAT 80'S
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:58:25 -0400
From: alex (tmp5@ATLGR.COM)
Subject: Re: Ultravox
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:20:38 -0500
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Cornershop... listie?
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:58:41 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:40:05 -0400
From: eLliS Dean (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:13:29 -0400
From: SonicMindDisease (ebn@UMD.UMICH.EDU)
Subject: The 4AD-list summer tape swap.
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:33:05 -0500
From: "John, Jacci, & Madison" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ultravox
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:53:47 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ultravox
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:13:38 -0500
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Joy Division/NewOrder Lyrics in DCD?
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:18:10 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: The 4AD-list summer tape swap.
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:44:53 -0400
From: Shar Everett (ISOBL202@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:48:01 -0400
From: Shar Everett (ISOBL202@AOL.COM)
Subject: Krzysztof Kieslowski question
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:36:29 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: The 4AD-list summer tape swap.
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:31:58 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: HNIA in EW
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:34:53 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 02:33:26 -0000
From: Where is my Mind? (friday@APOCALYPSE.ORG)
Subject: HNIA List!


well, i know it's been a long time coming but:

I'm announcing the Warren/HNIA/ESP/Everything Else list
I'm still trying to figure everything out so bear with
me guys.

mail to:
majordomo@apocalypse.org

and in the BODY (no no not the subject line)
subscribe livonia your@email.here

and that should do it.
so sign up now now now.

and to mail anything out just send it to:
livonia@apocalypse.org

kewlio,
reid

ps. if you have majordomo advice for me just mail me
    at friday@apocalypse.org

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:22:53 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: Joy Division/NewOrder Lyrics in DCD?


Ok, here's a question for JoyDiv/NewOrder Heads. Which DeadCanDance
songs featured lyrics reminescent of some Joy Division and NewOrder songs?

Cheers

 Umur C.

-------------------
umur@bilkent.edu.tr


Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 11:36:14 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (BOO1OPR%bu.bbc@NR-COMMS.RADIO.BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: a certain ratio


>>     Other related bands - Simon Topping left to form Quando Quango.



>No he didn't, QQ was formed by Mike Pickering (the later Hac DJ) and
Gonnie

>Rietveld . Topping left for NYC (and a girl living there...) to study

>percussion. He returned with a 12" on Factory Benelux, called 'Prospect

>Park' (a park in NYC, isn't it?).



...that would be the same Simon Topping who contributed to the extra
tracks (eg 'Dream Topping' - geddit?) on the splendid _Guitar and Other
Machines_ CD by The Durutti Column?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

-   giles.booth@bbc.co.uk

-   'pointy birds, oh pointy birds'

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:27:22 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: new scala cd!

> from "Aaron Thorne" at Jul 20,
              96 10:50:50 pm

 mark&sarah  wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 1996
 (Subject: Re: new scala cd! yesyesyesyes!)
 > On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, The Boy In Zinc wrote:
 >
 > > on mars, jack, and long fin killie can save the label (though i
 > > haven't heard jack or the new lfk...mouse on mars, while being an
 > > excellent group, doesn't seem to have as many fans as some of the
 > > bands that jumped.)
 >
 > but iarora tahiti was one of the best albums of 95!

 Seconded - this album still sounds fresh every time I listen to it.
 "Vulvaland", according to the most recent Too Pure catalogue, is now
 out of stock - I hope this only means they are waiting for a fresh
 batch to be manufactured.  It may, of course, mean that Mouse on Mars
 are Too Pure's current best-selling group - they seem to have quite a
 few techno fans hooked, as well as people with more eclectic tastes.

 > speaking of bands that jumped, what about pram? i do hope they stay
 > on too pure.  does anyone know if they have anything in the works?
 > it's been a while since sargasso sea...  too long, for the best
 > band on the planet...

 I wrote to Pram last week asking about the price of the
 "Perambulations" compilation tape, and asking whether they really have
 left Too Pure (a usually reliable source said they are signed to the
 label Moonshake joined in the States, but that may simply mean that
 they didn't sell enough in the US for American Records to carry on
 distributing them).  Bit of a shame if they really have signed to
 Moonshake's new label (whose name I forget - C/Z?), because I have only
 seen the most recent Moonshake EP once - Too Pure's distribution is bad
 enough, but that's ridiculous.

 Aaron Thorne  wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 1996
 (Subject: Re: new scala cd! yesyesyesyes!)
 > > On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, The Boy In Zinc wrote:
 > >
 > > > on mars, jack, and long fin killie can save the label (though i
 > > > haven't heard jack or the new lfk...
 >
 > new long fin killie? i hadn't heard about it.  you're not talking
 > about last year's release are you?

 Quick rundown on recent Too Pure releases:

 49     - Jack, "Kid Stardust" 7" (long since out of stock, but both
          tracks are available on other releases).
 50     - nothing
 51     - Mouse on Mars, "Saturday Night..." 12" (only new tracks
          are two so-so remixes of the A-side)
 52, 53 - Jack, "Wintercomessummer" and "White Jazz" (both 7" or CD with
          extra tracks)
 54     - Long Fin Killie, "Valentino" album
 55     - Jack, "Pioneer Soundtracks" album
 56, 57 - Scala, two 7" singles and "Lips and Passion" combination CD
 58     - Long Fin Killie, "Hands and Lips" EP (three new songs,
          including Madonna's "Angel")
 59     - Jack, "Biography of a First Son" 7" or CD

 I'm not all that keen on the new LFK album, there seems to be less
 light and shade than the first one - apparently the band are happier
 with it for the same reason.  And the lyrics are still about
 transvestite boxers and giving cops blow-jobs in shop doorways, which
 is fine if that's what you are into, but says nothing to me about my
 life.  The Scala EP is absolutely bloody wonderful, and if the feeble
 Disjecta album is any indication of Mark Clifford's current direction
 then I think the rest of Seefeel are better off without him.  My
 initial rejection of Jack has turned to love - the B-sides are patchy
 (there's a spectacularly stupid "let's take all these pills and
 commit suicide, it'll be so romantic" song on the "White Jazz" EP),
 but the album is first-rate.


--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 22/07/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Durutti Column

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:56:09 -0700
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: LUSH 8 'Single Bloke'


> LUSH 8 'Single Bloke'
>
> Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
> Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:59:42 +0200
>
> I'm afraid I lost the original post from the person telling that he
> had heard a rumour about the new UK promo 12" for Lush '500 (Shake Baby
> Shake)' (LUSH 8) including BBC Radio's Mark Radcliffe and some other guy
> (forgot his name) doing their own version of 'Single Girl', called 'Single
> Blokes'. I got the 12" today and it DOES indeed include an uncredited extra
> track, 'Single Bloke'. They changed the lyrics (and play the song
> themselves?). The lyrics are so obnoxious that it MUST be Radcliffe.

the other guy is the boy lard aka marc riley, ex of the fall and the
creepers. they do this quite a lot, changing other people's songs. off the
top of my head they have versions of:

single girl - lush
henry lee - nick cave / polly harvey
bluebeard - cocteau twins
dizzy - throwing muses
inbetweener - sleeper (available on a proper sleeper release)
french disko - stereolab
feel alright - supergrass
that's nice(?) - minty

there's also an advert for a fake lp of cockney knees-ups done in the style
of the tindersticks which is quite funny.

andy
--
a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk
clive sinclair stole my childhood...


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 02:23:32 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Joy Division/NewOrder Lyrics in DCD?


On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Umur Celikyay wrote:

> Ok, here's a question for JoyDiv/NewOrder Heads. Which DeadCanDance
> songs featured lyrics reminescent of some Joy Division and NewOrder songs?

Easy one there.  "The Carnival Is Over" quotes The Eternal (JD) with "the
procession moves on, the shouting is over".  That's the only one I've
noticed.  Are there others?  Of course "Threshold" from the first DCD
album sounds very Joydivisiony, maybe a bit like "Wilderness".  No lyrical
similarities though since Lisa does the vocals on that one.

aaron

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:47:34 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: The worst of the eighties


Jeesus am living one hell of an 80's revival-retro-flashback...
How about some of the worst of the worst?

-------------------
umur@bilkent.edu.tr

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:44:00 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: Re: Flock of Seagulls????


>
> Yeah, and what about:
>
> Bronski Beat, China Crisis, Cabaret Voltaire, Anne Clark, Dead Or Alive,
> Depeche Mode, Freur, Kissing The Pink, Rainbirds, Scritti Politti, Soft
> Cell, Yazoo and Richard Clayderman...
>
> Emiel Efdee
> ...
> the Netherlands, July 19, 1996
> ... efdee@luna.nl
>


the fixx


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:42:13 -0400
From: TIM CONLON (U590@SYSM.ACS.VIRGINIA.EDU)
Subject: Ultravox


  I recall listening to Ultravox with minimal interest.  Then came the
"Live Aid"..."Band Aid"...the Bob Geldolf extravaganza, and I saw the
3 songs by Ultravox.  I was so impressed by Midge Ure's
voice...especially in "Vienna" (I can understand how some people get
so entranced by opera singers). I have the songs on video and it always
 touches a nerve when I see it.  The earlier Ultravox, with Jon Foxx,
is just as good, if not better, but the memory is stuck in Live Aid and
will always keep the Midge Ure years on top.


TIM CONLON
U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:39:42 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: No HNIA :<(


On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Layne McLean wrote:

> Typing this and listening to 'Electronic' instead of HNIA.
>


        ya know, i pulled the same manuevure (sp?) after not
        finding HNIA in _my_ hometown and am just as pleased
        as punch with this new Electronic disc.

        If you dont like 'Technique', you probably wont dig
        Raise the Pressure, but i find it to be sparklingly
        delicious. britpop schmidt-pop! _This_ is pop
        muse sick.  And quite the philosophical treatise from
        barney on the inner sleeve, eh?



        so buy it. and dont be fooled by 'forbidden city'. Listen
        _all_ the way to the end of the cd.


        dan
        whose been on vacation, only to find 696 messages in his emailbox


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:31:56 -0400
From: John Porter (jporter@BTG.COM)
Subject: Re: Ultravox


lbo wrote:
> anyway, the last time I heard of Fox, 8-9 years ago, he was into composing
> religious music (cfr. his version of Pater Noster).

Sorry to have to disagree with you, but this is not accurate.
A few (*very* few) of his songs could be said to have vaguely spiritual
overtones, I wouldn't call any of them religious really.  And it's
certainly not what he was "into".  He was really just getting more and
more romantic, moving away from the "Hidden Man" mysteriosity schtick.

--
John Porter
jporter@btg.com

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:47:26 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: not finding HNIA...


Is anyone else not finding the new Stars on E.S.P. in places that should
have it?  I stopped by a Tower Records and a HMV and neither one had it.
I mean, I realize that HNIA is not exactly a chart-bursting group, but
this is their 4th album from 4AD which now has [reasonably] good US
distribution.  So you'd think they might get it in stop before the
Christmas holiday rush...

-greg


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:29:09 -0400
From: John Porter (jporter@BTG.COM)
Subject: Re: Ultravox


Terry Collins wrote:
> Aren't a couple
> of the band members still hanging around and releasing stuff as
> Ultravox?  It seems to me there was a CD out last year, but I
> never heard it.

Yep. I haven't heard it, but a review I read said that it was
basically stinky.  Don't remember which guys are in this
"Ultravox", but Midge isn't one of them.  I'd guess that
Billy Currie is one, though.  Any of you ever hear his
solo album on NoSpeak?  It was great, in my opinion.  There was
a Yes guy on it too -- White? Squire?

And as I'm sure we're all aware (since we're in Reminisce mode),
Visage was Ultravox's "disco" project.  Poor stupid Steve Strange.

> And what about former Ultravox front man John Foxx's
> 1980 album "Metamatic"?  Any of you fans remember this stuff?

O my God, I am the biggest John Foxx fan.

--
John Porter
jporter@btg.com


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:37:28 -0700
From: "rod, the silly frood!" (rod@LOOP.COM)
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...


>what the hell does 'E.S.P.' mean?

after listening to the new HNIA, it must mean:

E g g   S h a k e r   P a r a d i s e



laters,
rod

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:39:44 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ultravox/let the offlisty bullshwag begin!


On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Paul Walsh wrote:
>

>      With taste like that - GET OFF THIS LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
        ... some of us
>      were listening to things that mattered.
>
>

        like the sound of your ass.  but this is the 90s.
        so pull yer head out of it and settle down.

        sheesh...


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:12:03 -0700
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: The worst of the eighties


>Jeesus am living one hell of an 80's revival-retro-flashback...
>How about some of the worst of the worst?

Some of us just wish (well, I do, anyway) we were into better music in the
early '80s like The Birthday Party and Bauhaus, and wish we were savvy
enough to buy all those rare 4AD records while they were slightly less
rare! Personally, I've been back-tracking ever since I bought "Lonely Is An
Eyesore" and realized the existence of an amazing 4AD back catalogue.

===================================
t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
esoteric graphic design
                  tmp@earthlink.net
===================================

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:33:51 -0700
From: drew schwickerath (schwicke@CS.COLOSTATE.EDU)
Subject: Re: hullo!


princess dragonlisa wrote:
> I was just wondering if anyone wanted to do another tape swap like the
> one I did last summer???

*yes*  as soon as i get moved to amherst, mass in another week, i'm definitely g
me.

and for the new listies - the *great* tape swap :) is the opportunity to make a 
ix tape
and receive a mix tape and finally hear some of those groups you have been wanti
g to
find out about and keeping reading about inbetween the flame wars here on 4ad-l.
 last
summer i was introduced to spoonfed hybrid, stereolab, his name is alive, pram, 
hat
dog, and so much more.  way excellent and way worth while. - drew

ob.ps - any amherst listies out there?  if so, drop me a *private email* line. -
d

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:18:13 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges


On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>
> And coke.
>
> I think everything that Guthrie said in all interviews between '85 to
> '92 can be ignored.
>
> --


        ....aaah, same old 'im better than this guy cuz he's a dirty
        drug sniffer' schlock.  im not even gonna go there, except to
        say that robin+drugs=holv, bbk, some of fcc, treasure, victorialand
        and basically the entire catalogue.  think drugs are bad?
        then dont take them.  want to discredit the work of people
        you dont know solely on the basis of their being drug users?
        first grow a brain.


        dan k
        who thinks that coke and diet coke are exactly that same,
        except that coke is less addictive and singularly responsible
        for about 40% of the music that i love....

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:03:41 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: The great Cocteau purges

              +0200 

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

>Simon Hughes  writes:
>
>> But, on the other hand,
>> I've never had much time for Guthrie's opinions.  I suspect they're too
>> loaded with perspectives drawn from his personal life.
>
>And coke.

Hee hee, perhaps.

I gotta move the subject on.  There was an article in the second section of
The Guardian (UK newspaper) dated 12/7/96, written by Simon Raymonde about
The Cocteaus' experiences at the Lollapalooza gig.  It was very interesting
though I do think Simon shoots himself in the foot a couple of times.  Has
anyone posted anything about that?  Mail me privately if you'd like me to
post a few extracts to this list (I don't think I can commit to typing the
whole lot).

Simon Hughes


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:51:51 EST
From: Lawren Wu (lwu@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: Re: new scala cd! yesyesyesyes!


So, could someone post a brief discography of Scala and whether there is
overlap amongst albums?  I'd be bummed if I bought the same material
twice.

Thanks.

Lawren
lwu@wi.mit.edu

_______________________________________________________________________________

>
>oh, btw, the disc compiles the two 7" they released for too pure...i doubt
>american will be releasing it in the u.s., and a lot of the lyrics i
quoted
>came from excerpts in the liner notes (though all the lyrics aren't in
>there)...

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:10:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Ultravox


     With taste like that - GET OFF THIS LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     The 80's was a time for ACR, 23 Skidoo, Clock DVA, Section 25 .....
     not teeny-bopper-pop-trash like Ultravox!!!!!

     Get serious!! The same goes for all you people creating that thread
     about other 80's trash like Flock Of Seagulls etc, when you were
     wearing pastel coloured shirts and dancing to crap new wave some of us
     were listening to things that mattered.




______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Ultravox

Date: 22/07/96 14:31 I recall listening to Ultravox with minimal interest. Then came the "Live Aid"..."Band Aid"...the Bob Geldolf extravaganza, and I saw the 3 songs by Ultravox. I was so impressed by Midge Ure's voice...especially in "Vienna" (I can understand how some people get so entranced by opera singers). I have the songs on video and it always touches a nerve when I see it. The earlier Ultravox, with Jon Foxx, is just as good, if not better, but the memory is stuck in Live Aid and will always keep the Midge Ure years on top. TIM CONLON U590@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:27:20 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges

              Jul 22, 96 02:03:41 pm

 Simon Hughes  wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 1996
 (Subject: The great Cocteau purges)
 >
 > I gotta move the subject on.  There was an article in the second
 > section of The Guardian (UK newspaper) dated 12/7/96, written by
 > Simon Raymonde about The Cocteaus' experiences at the Lollapalooza
 > gig.  It was very interesting though I do think Simon shoots
 > himself in the foot a couple of times.  Has anyone posted anything
 > about that? Mail me privately if you'd like me to post a few
 > extracts to this list (I don't think I can commit to typing the
 > whole lot).

 I felt he had gone into the situation with about as much
 understanding of metal fans as they had shown for his music - he
 adopted a fairly snooty tone about a stupid joke by the Ramones ("We
 are not the cocktail twins") - for heaven's sake, the Ramones are
 *supposed* to be a stupid joke.  I had the impression from the net
 that they were bottled off immediately, but according to Simon they
 had played a few numbers before succumbing to a barrage (which had
 also greeted the other support acts).  He felt rather surprised to
 meet some dumb-looking US metal kids afterwards who were big Cocteaus
 fans.  That's about all I remember - I think that according to
 Simon's account, the blame for the debacle must rest as much with the
 Cocteaus for their not realising how the Lollapalooza audience would
 react as it does with the people who booked them (requested and
 introduced by the headlining act, remember).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 22/07/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Durutti Column

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:31:34 -0400
From: lee harvey fnordwald (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD content


On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, L.K. Grier wrote:

> i haven't had time to read mail (tomorrow), but i've been scanning subjects
> titles, and there seem to have been only 3 comments (incl. mine) on DCD's
> wednesday nite nyc show, and hardly any postings on DCD at all...a couple week

> ago they were a hot topic...wha' hoppen?


        i saw dcd last nite and wept openly.  a double pox on e's
        stodgy bellyaching for ancient dcd history to be regurgatated.
        i'm talking P R O G R E S S.  you are allowed to diss spiritchaser
        but only because it is a pale stepsister in comparison to the
        true goods in performance. set list? i remember the following:

        nikera
        rakim
        persian love song
        piece for solo flute
        indus
        tristan
        unreleased lisa song that she also did live for mirror pool tour
        american dreaming, with extra verse and diffo lyrics!
        yulunga (sp?)
        cantara
        another unreleased song probalby lisa's.

        and the 2nd encore was indeed 'Dreams Made Flesh', which
        had brendan playing yang chin and lisa singing all cuddly
        up next to brendan. they hugged warmly and kissed after the
        song was performed and then waved goodbye.


        i was moved, touched etc.....  and couldnt help but pick up
         a 'swansong' vibe from the two of them. as if this could
        very well be the end of dcd after this tour?  i hope not,
        but progress is painful, and sometimes requires breaking
        completely with the past.  so quit pining for another aion
        and go see them. and if you've been dissuaded from buying
        spiritchaser, think again. its the doo-doo.


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:37:07 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...


extra sensory perception?

>At 12:25 19-07-96 -0700, you wrote:
>>Emiel Efdee wrote:
>>
>>>what the hell does 'E.S.P.' mean?
>
>ESP = American jazz label from the '70/'80's
>ESP = Dutch (Amsterdam based) ambient label
>
>Frank
>+++++++++++++++++++
>Frank Brinkhuis
>frankbri@pi.net
>+++++++++++++++++++
>
>

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:44:39 +0200
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Re: New things

              on Fri, 19 Jul 1996 05:39:02 +0200)

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  wrote:
> Jane Siberry - Maria
>
> So, everybody loved "Bound by the Beauty" and nobody liked "When I Was
> A Boy" much.  (I loved them both dearly.)  Then "Maria" was released
> to general apathy, and reports started trickling in that this was not,
> how shall one put it, very good.  At all.
>       .
>       .
>       .
> Now, after listening to it 4 times, I still
> haven't decided whether I like it or not.  I'm starting to get a
> handle on the tunes, and they're quite pretty, in that odd Siberry
> way.  Hm.  I do want to listen to it, and it doesn't annoy me, and my
> foot is tapping and my head is bopping along, so perhaps I do like
> it.  Hm.  What do the rest of you think of this album?

Well, I'm a Siberry-fan (as opposed to a Siberry-Fanatic), and
buy most of her albums if I see them used (except the first
album which didn't thrill me), and I _quite_ like "Maria".
But, I have perhaps the helpful perspective of having seen a
great deal of live Siberry in small Toronto clubs
(particularly "The Cameron", which is a seedy old-man's
watering hole by day, and underground music club by night).
She's all too well known in Toronto to play a small club as
herself, but she ocassionaly showed up under a psuedonom to
try out something a bit different from her album work.
She has often experimented with the "Chanteuse" model of
singing, most memorably in a series called "Quiet, Please,
There's a Lady on Stage" in which various Toronto singers of
note took a night each at The Cameron singing torch-songs to
the accompaniment of Dave Ramsdens gin-sozzled piano.
Jane's voice is a bit light-weight and frail on occasion for
some of the more barrel-house jazz numbers she attempted,
but I like quirky, and she's got plenty of quirk.  I think
they made a documentary of some of the performances, which
is probably unobtainable outside of Toronto.

Aside from the annoying repititions of the "Mary had a
little lamb" theme in "Maria", I find the whole project quit
pleasant, and nicely reminiscent of those smokey nights at
the Cameron drinking Red Tags (Cranberry juice and
Tequilla).

grant..


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:58:25 -0400
From: alex (tmp5@ATLGR.COM)
Subject: GreAT 80'S


The 80's rules for music, none of this teen agnst(nirvana, peral jam ) bullshit
bands like Talking Heads, Sugarcubes, Camper Van Beethovan, Devo, early OMD,
House of Love, Haircut One Hundered, English Beat, the Specials, Madness,
Ah-a and many others I can't remember at this time. On the other being from
Canada I can definatley identify some of the worst 80's bands seeing most of
them came from Canada

The god-awful Canadian 80's compliation

1. Loverboy
2. Aldo Nova
3. Toronto
4. Headpins
5. Trooper
6. April Wine
7. Glass Tiger
8. Haywire
9. Alyannah Miles
10. Alanis "Morrissette"(Canada aplogizes for then and now)
11. Streetheart
12. Prism
13. Mitsou/Celine Dion
14. Kish
15. Platnium Blonde(and any offshoots)
16. Gowan
17. Jeff Healey
18. Northern Pikes
19. Chillawack
20. Max Webster/Kim Mitchell
21. Corey Hart
22. Rik Emmet
23. Slik Toxic
24. Skid Row
25. Honeymoon Suite
26. Men without Hats(Saftey Dance and beyond)
27. Chris Sheppard presents....

On the postive note
1. Skinny Puppy
2. Jane Siberry
3. Front line Assembly
4. Delerium
5. Rush
6. Voivod
7. Strange Advance


If you have any additions please go ahead or compile one for your country.

Alex

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:20:38 -0500
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ultravox

              96 09:29:09 am

>
>
> Yep. I haven't heard it, but a review I read said that it was
> basically stinky.  Don't remember which guys are in this
> "Ultravox", but Midge isn't one of them.  I'd guess that
> Billy Currie is one, though.  Any of you ever hear his
> solo album on NoSpeak?  It was great, in my opinion.  There was
> a Yes guy on it too -- White? Squire?
>
Never heard NoSpeak.  What is it like?  And I believe it was
Yes keyboardist Rick Wakeman that was on that album.

 -iSpy-

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:58:41 EDT
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Cornershop... listie?

              

just when you thought it was safe to get back in the water...
fuckin' A, man.  This is the best "new" thing I've heard in the last
year.  Diverse and rocks yer ass off.  (sorry, Mom.)

Simple as that.

Gay

Gay Church
University of Virginia, Health Sciences Center
lgc2c@virginia.mcc.edu
804-924-2930


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:40:05 -0400
From: eLliS Dean (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...


On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Rick Stone wrote:

        enhanced sexual pleasures



>
> extra sensory perception?
>
> >At 12:25 19-07-96 -0700, you wrote:
> >>Emiel Efdee wrote:
> >>
> >>>what the hell does 'E.S.P.' mean?
> >
> >ESP = American jazz label from the '70/'80's
> >ESP = Dutch (Amsterdam based) ambient label
> >
> >Frank
> >+++++++++++++++++++
> >Frank Brinkhuis
> >frankbri@pi.net
> >+++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
>

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:13:29 -0400
From: SonicMindDisease (ebn@UMD.UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...


  >what the hell does 'E.S.P.' mean?


hmmmm...... E.xtra S.nooty P.erson is what pops into my head....


grasshopper




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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:33:05 -0500
From: "John, Jacci, & Madison" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: The 4AD-list summer tape swap.


>princess dragonlisa wrote:
>> I was just wondering if anyone wanted to do another tape swap like the
>> one I did last summer???
>
>*yes*  as soon as i get moved to amherst, mass in another week, i'm
>definitely game.
>
>and for the new listies - the *great* tape swap :) is the opportunity to
>make a mix tape
>and receive a mix tape and finally hear some of those groups you have been
>wanting to
>find out about and keeping reading about inbetween the flame wars here on
>4ad-l.

I was WONDERING when and if we would all do this again.  This might be a
good way to bring feelings of peace, harmony, and unity back into our
little group.

My tape swap partner stiffed me last year.   I ended up with nuthin'.

But I am already making the mix tape.  Lisaroo, just tell me when--I'm
already at the starting block.

John

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:53:47 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ultravox


> Never heard NoSpeak.  What is it like?  And I believe it was
> Yes keyboardist Rick Wakeman that was on that album.

To clear this up, the Billy Currie album is called
"Transportation" and it features Steve Howe. Currie
has a more recent album too, but I haven't heard it.
The first one is a really fine instrumental album,
based a little in new age, but not annoyingly so.
It can't really be put in any one genre. My roommate
says it sounds like Mike Oldfield, but I can't say
anything about that.

Post-Ure Ultravox only features Currie
as the only member previously having anything to do
with Ultravox. Their first album I believe was called
"Revelation" and it was quite stinky indeed!-- The kind of
album you only listen to once and throughout wish you
hadn't bought. I think there's another abomination album and some
singles out more recently. There have also been a few different
'best of Ultravox' albums, plus two CDs of b-sides. All the John Foxx
solo stuff is on CD, but you have to be lucky to find any of it.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:13:38 -0500
From: Terry Collins (ispy@OAK.NCC.UMN.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ultravox

              Jul 22, 96 03:10:00 pm

>
>      With taste like that - GET OFF THIS LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>      The 80's was a time for ACR, 23 Skidoo, Clock DVA, Section 25 .....
>      not teeny-bopper-pop-trash like Ultravox!!!!!
>
>      Get serious!! The same goes for all you people creating that thread
>      about other 80's trash like Flock Of Seagulls etc, when you were
>      wearing pastel coloured shirts and dancing to crap new wave some of us
>      were listening to things that mattered.
>
>
Is this guy for real??

Nothing like a bit of aggressive subjectivism.

A little self indulgence goes a long way.

Lighten up.

=========================================================================

 -iSpy (who freely admits he likes Ultravox better than, say, Clock DVA)-

And remember: ride safely!

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:18:10 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Joy Division/NewOrder Lyrics in DCD?


For me, it has to be 'Truth' (from 81=B4s Movement...). Starting from the
creepy music down to the lyrics, this Neworder period has the same goth
notes that DCD had a long time ago.

BTW, Spiritchaser is growing on me. It=B4s a different DCD but is defintly a
serious improvement. it shows the kind of music DCD have been wanting to do
since Aion and Lisa=B4s solo lp.=20
If you=B4re afraid to listen to it... don=B4t! Give it a break and pick it=
 up!

Also, another great disc is Blue Nile=B4s 'Peace at last' . What can I say=
 but
it is exacatally on the same level as 'Hats'. The music is more organic,
more natural and the mood on the disc is a very positive one. The first 5
songs are IT!=20

The disappointment of the week is Electronic=B4s 'Raise the Pressure'. Only=
 4
songs (out of 13) are good, the rest is dance music that sounds like
Blackbox or something like that. It has that italian sounding disco piano
all over it, along with tons on female disco divas backing the ill-voiced
Barney. The new single and 'For you' (2 track) are, however  marvelous
albums like Republic and 'For You' has a guitar taken from any of your
favorite Smiths=B4 song. Johnny Marr=B4s best guitar playing so far...

Enough writing,

Nos Vemos!

Pepe
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:44:53 -0400
From: Shar Everett (ISOBL202@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: The 4AD-list summer tape swap.


i would like to join this tape swap as well

please give details as to when you want to start this

shar
sharlito@teleport.com


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:48:01 -0400
From: Shar Everett (ISOBL202@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...


E.VEN S.NAKES P.EE?

E.VERY S.UCKER P.LAYS?


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:36:29 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Krzysztof Kieslowski question


sorry to have to ask this here, not sure where else to look for answers, and
since I know a good number of you are fans of his, I thought I'd ask....

I thought BLUE was brilliant.....so yesterday, I finally found time after
seeing BLUE 3 weeks ago to rent and watch WHITE.  A few points of WHITE
intrigued me~~

      -first, did any notice, in the second scene in the courtroom, while
they were giving testimony, a lady walked in and was promptly escorted back
out by one of the guards since it appeared to be a closed proceeding.  Was
this in fact the woman from BLUE?  some sort of carryover?  it looked alot
like here, but I couldn't tell.

      -speaking of carryovers, is there any particular meaning of the old
person with a cane recycling bottles in each movie?

      -lastly, in the final scene, just what is Dominique trying to tell
Karol at the end....I'm not very good at sign language.....i figured out a
bit or two, but alas, I need to know the rest~~~

thanks in advance,

~^blu^~


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:31:58 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: The 4AD-list summer tape swap.


Is anyone interested in heading this up?  I'd be happy to if nobody else is -
I'm an English teacher off for the summer and time on my hands...but I don't
want to tread on anybody else's territory.

PS - I just finished making a KILLER 90 minute tape of 4AD artists doing
cover songs...way WAY cool.


Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:34:53 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: HNIA in EW


Yes, boys and girls, Stars on ESP has been reviewed in Entertainment
Weekly...and it got an "A".  We should be so proud!

"Michigan-based His Name is Alive finally realize their potential only hinted
at on their previous three albums.  The band has lost none of its pretensions
but leavens them with inventiveness and guile.  Case in point:  "Universal
Frequencies," a shameless rip-off - and heartfelt evocation - of "Good
Vibrations."  Shameless but heartfelt, diffuse but focused, this album is an
infuriating gem.  A"   -Wook Kim

So, for all you folks who haven't had any luck finding the album at your
local alternative record emporiums, perhaps you should be checking out the
"New Release" rack at....K-Mart?  4AD has hit the big time!


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