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Subject: Re: 4AD Barcodes
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:53:15 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Spine-chilling spirit chasers
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:38:12 -0400
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@cs.columbia.edu)
Subject: NYC DCD update
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:55:45 -0400
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@CS.COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: virgina astley
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:00:37 -0500
From: mark&sarah (mrf546t@NIC.SMSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: virgina astley
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:22:14 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: to blu, and anyone else who is bored or cares...
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:32:55 -0700
From: girlyloop (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Lush "500"
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:34:53 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: NYC DCD update
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:02:19 -0700
From: "L.K. Grier" (lkg@phantom.com)
Subject: Re: hnia
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:48:33 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: magnetic fields
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:42:14 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: lush
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 05:05:00 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:55:24 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: to blu, and anyone else who is bored or cares...
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 02:15:05 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:59:50 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: 4AD e-mail
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:59:34 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: The v23 Graphic Design Watch
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:59:47 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Record Collector/Warped Reality
Date: 16/07/96 16:18
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: severed heads
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:28:29 +0200
From: section25 (SECTION25@IDS.NET)
Subject: Re: Spooky: Found Sound
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:19:50 +0100
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: a certain ratio
Date: 18/07/96 01:20
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Spooky: Found Sound
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:56:28 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: For Sale...
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:29:28 -0400
From: Jeffrey Timothy Jacob (tjacob@EMORY.EDU)
Subject: Japanese Tortoise CD's
Date: 16/07/96 23:34
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Cornershop... listie?
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:52:43 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: lush
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:29:04 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Propaganda
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 23:29:36 +0000
From: Tan Thong Yang (tytan@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: Re: For Sale...
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:11:22 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: The v23 Graphic Design Watch: HNIA
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:50:39 -0400
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: For Sale...
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:23:34 -0700
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Japanese Tortoise CD's
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:54:19 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Propaganda
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:05:16 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: DCD in NYC - A Baia Secou!!! (IMHO)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:27:32 EST
From: Joherius HD (solus@JUNO.COM)
Subject: Re: Propaganda
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:48:03 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: virgina astley
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:33:18 -0400
From: Shar Everett (ISOBL202@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Propaganda
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:24:11 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: to blu, and anyone else who is bored or cares...
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:45:39 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: a certain ratio
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:51:52 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: local NYC band concert
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:04:33 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS4.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Propaganda
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:00:17 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Thompson Twins
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:29:38 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Xymox news
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:20:46 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: lush
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:54:59 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: Xymox news
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:00:02 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Thompson Twins
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:57:33 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Propaganda
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:17:34 -0400
From: Shar Everett (ISOBL202@AOL.COM)
Subject: In love with Audrey from scheer...
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:35:02 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Xymox news
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:35:26 -0400
From: Gleason E Glover (Tym2surf@AOL.COM)
Subject: 4AD Graphic Design Flaws
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:27:19 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Thompson Twins
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:14:29 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Propaganda + Thompson Twins
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 20:51:45 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Air Miami in bargain bins
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:50:36 -0400
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Scheering The Pavement
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:52:59 -0400
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Insides
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:31:17 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:53:15 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD Barcodes


the mystery parade wrote:

> Remember when 23 Envelope's sleeves were unpolluted by those ugly bar
> codes? Trivia: What was the first 4AD UK release to sport a bar code?

For 4AD UK releases, would that be CAD 801, the "Le Mystere Des Voix
Bulgares" in early 1988, right?

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA

Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:38:12 -0400
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@cs.columbia.edu)
Subject: Spine-chilling spirit chasers


My hairs were on end for the majority of the Dead Can Dance concert at
City Centre on Wednesday July 17. However, I don't know if the air
conditioning was largely responsible or not. ;) [MOSTLY not]

Just some quick memories from the concert...

- Lisa losing her line in Sanvean... "sorry, can we start again?"
Sorta surprising the change/disjunction between her strong
singing voice and semingly frail spoken voice.

- shouts from the audience in different languages (3 one guy, 2 others)

- about 9 people on stage - maybe 3 or 4 more than last time around

- material was mainly from last three albums (Into the Labrynth,
Toward the Within, Spirtchasers.)

- although the they seemed nervous or uncomfortable with the
latest material. Dunno maybe it was the sound making it hard to
get in sync - less tight on these songs.

- As with the previous Into the Labryth Show - the synthesizers are
sortof disorienting, especially when they are surrounded by such
"physical" percussion intrusments. I guess they have to make the
drones somehow, but it is harder to relate to someone pressing a key
and causing an effect than someone banging away at some sort of drum
or bell or wind instrument.

- Sound at this performance was horrible. Really heavy somehow -
maybe on the lower end. Took away from some songs.

However, it is really easy to criticize, it is much harder to
communicate the effect such an experience had on me tonight. Although I know
many of you understand having been and going yourselves to the show in
the past and future. It was an amazing concert and worth every
penny - if they come near you - make SURE to go!!

I'm kicking myself now for missing Lisa's solo show earlier last year (?).
Although I really do think that Dead Can Dance is made up from the
combination of their parts. I'm one of the minority that thinks
Brendon's voice is on par or (heretic) better than Lisa's. DCD shows
which combine the two are perfect and I hope they never split
permanently.

All from here - passed up on both the program and cd (for $20) and
poster ($5?). I already have the Into the Labryth poster which is
(IMHO) much more appealing than the current cover. Guess I'm not
a real fan. Oh well ;)

Okay - I've babbled enough - oh, and HELLO Lydia! Nice meeting you :)
Got to see at least one other list member - who else went? Was there
any kind of meeting at all?

So all and all - there were problems - but Brendon and Lisa *ARE*
Dead Can Dance and nothing short of force majour can stop them

good night all,

/Michael -- sentinel

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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:55:45 -0400
From: Michael Hauben (hauben@CS.COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: NYC DCD update


forgot in my posting...

1) The obligatory lisa/brendon hug

2) at least two bouquets

3) only 2 encores in NYC

4) oh - and did I say magnificant time? Didn't think so ;)

/Michael

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:00:37 -0500
From: mark&sarah (mrf546t@NIC.SMSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: virgina astley


On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, Masaya Toyokawa wrote:

> Today I found that Nippon Columbia released her album this March.
>
> Had I The Heaven
> 1 March1996    CD    COCY-80070    Japan - Nippon Columbia
> It's Over Now / Over The Edge Of The World /
> Nothing Is As It Seems / Broken / Where I Belong /
> I Can't Say Good-bye / Had I The Heaven / Another Road /
> How Can I Do This To You / I Know A Tune We Could Sing /
> A Long Long Year
>

okay, now for the wishful thinking section of this thread--is there any
relatively easy and inexpensive way to get order this album from japan?

i really want this album... i hope at least all her lucky japanese fans
appreciate it.  reviews anyone?


thanks,
mark

Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:22:14 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: virgina astley


> okay, now for the wishful thinking section of this thread--is there any
> relatively easy and inexpensive way to get order this album from japan?
>
> i really want this album... i hope at least all her lucky japanese fans
> appreciate it.  reviews anyone?

CDE doesn't have it yet, but they do have all her other
in print stuff: Hope In A Darkened Heart, From Gardens...,
and All Shall Be Well. The catch is the price. Are these
worth $37-$40 each??? Talk about ridiculous prices...

I'll try contacting Nippon Columbia again to see if I
can get some for the Dewdrops catalog. I never heard back
from them when I sent a fax months ago. And I still am working
on contacting her directly. Maybe Dewdrops can re-release
Promise Nothing... Ah, to dream...

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:32:55 -0700
From: girlyloop (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: to blu, and anyone else who is bored or cares...


> ~~wait a sec, didn't you say that you don't even know the details of your
> friends 'alleged' spat with Warren???

  no. you are wrong. i do know what went on, but having realized that
  1) it does no good talking about the darling of 4ad in a bad way, in
  a place he cannot speak for himself and 2) i shouldn't take out
  my frustration at the crappy way my friends are treated out on a
  mailing list (no matter how condescending or rude some of the members
  of said list may be), i wanted to drop the entire subject.

>  and from what i know of Warren, yes i would side with him.   you have yet to
> give any reason for your harboring bad feelings toward him.  you sit there
> and drag his name thru the muck in front of the whole list, without so much
> as even to explain why.

  i dislike the way he has treated my friends, who are/were his friends too.
  i still think he is a brilliant musician, but that's it.

  i won't even bother responding to the rest of your note. it will just
  drag this on and on. from here on out, i'm shutting up about hnia and
  warren and anything else and will refrain from replying to any notes.
  on any subject. this entire list has gone to shit, probably as much my
  fault as anyone else's....




  k


Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:34:53 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Lush "500"


Bought the singles yesterday.  By a cunning selection of covers,
remixes and acoustic versions Miki and Emma have managed to avoid
having to write any new songs, though they did let the drummer (?) do
one.  Remember that "New Wave of New Wave" scene that the NME was so
keen on a year or so ago?  Enough said.  The A-side has been remixed to
make it even more irritatingly saccharine, and it seems to be playing
everywhere I go these days, so it may be a Big Summer Hit and they can
all go and buy yachts and hang out with Bill Wyman in the South of
France.  Great pop music.

Other stuff: Julian Cope's "I Come From Another Planet, Baby" is fine,
though I wish he wouldn't sing "buybuy" in that Adam Faith accent, and
the B-side is ten minutes of utterly deranged ramblings about Mother
Earth being like an amphetamine pessary, buying an electric piano from a
care in the community victim, and wanting the Orb to wear lipstick.
Over whooshing synth noises, of course.  The accompanying "ambient"
remix "Ambulence" is ambient up to the point where it starts to sound
like a jet aircraft taking off, at which point I decided to turn it off
and concentrate on the TV news.

Oh, and Frank Black has a new single out if anyone's interested.  I
bought them because they were 99p each but haven't plucked up the
courage to listen to the things.  Two album tracks, a Ray Davies cover
(previously on a promo 7") and a lot of live stuff spread over the two
CDs.  Cover art is the dictionary definition of crap, of course.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 18/07/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Jack - Pioneer Soundtracks

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:02:19 -0700
From: "L.K. Grier" (lkg@phantom.com)
Subject: Re: NYC DCD update


sonic superbness, musical magnificence, rhythmic rapture, an aural orgasmatron!

thanx 2all gods for such an experience! (and michael for the ticket and
conversation!)

being a dcd newbie, i was completely bowled over and have no caveats of any
kind! i was too awe-inspired to notice any sound quality or other defects. half
the time i was in a semi-possessed trance state. (hope whoever was behind me
didn't mind my bunned head a'bobbing and a'weaving and a'twitching...)

i'm still high, no drugs needed!

the drumming was devilish dynamite. especially that last number in the 1st
encore...talk about those talking drums! reminded me of a fabulous nigerian
troupe i saw once. loved the fuzzy-headed bouncing-about bass drummer, and the
conga-player and other drummers too. that long-haired guy played so many
instruments very well - mandolin, flute, drums. and i liked the
guitarist/keyboardist's guitar parts a lot, especially in one song michael said
was from the new cd. (which i'll buy toot sweet!)

lisa's voice is some kind of gift from above...that goes without saying (but
i'll say it anyway).

i agree w/michael about brendan's  - i love it too - would like to hear lots
more! it was american dreaming (somnambulistic maniacal in the dark) that first
got me into dcd. brendan has a gentle intensity about him (one of dcd's cd
title's seems to express this for me - "spleen and ideal.")

together, this woman and this man ARE a "force majeure!"

        :}

twins, but i think i got my memories mixed up...

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:48:33 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: hnia


>   y'know, before this all gets out of hand, i'd like to drop the
>   defever discussion. it will only get ugly and it's not worth
>   it. i think he's a brilliant musician and it truly does no good
>   criticizing behaviour that is completely separate from his
>   music....
>
>
>   k
>

i have also heard rumors from some people who have worked with warren that
he has of late been "using" people for whatever he wants. also in an
interview i read with karin oliver, she says that she would like to start
singing with more variety, but warren wants her to sing how she always
has.
after talking and chatting with warren over the years, he seems like a guy
who really couldn't be the over-power type. he's kinda "too-nice."i like
warren, i think he's a kool cat. a little goofy, but that's always a
little fun.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:42:14 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: magnetic fields


> >And what about the Sixths 'Wasps Nests' album? That's 15 (or 17, if you were
> >able to get hold of the 4x7" box) Merritt songs sung by as many artists such

it's actually 16 songs.
they are not seven inches either, they are 6 6/6 inches... big difference

also the reason that susan anway sang on distant plastic trees and the
wayward bus is that stephen merritt was going through a period where he
believed his unique voice was awful. however after the success of the
charm of the highway strip (still my favorite) in which merritt sings on,
merritt started building confidence in his voice.



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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 05:05:00 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: lush


lush are opening for the goo goo dolls
ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha
goo goo dolls fucking suck...
i can not fucking believe this.
lush officially suck.
what happened? they used to have taste.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 04:55:24 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive

>

> he seems to have kept a level head considering his music is music is sooo
> popular localy. the main reasons that people have given me for not liking


warn is not that popular in the detroit area. most people in detroit still
have no idea who warn or his name is alive is. an example of this is when
the detroit institute of arts showed the films of the brothers quay
including his name is alive music films the detroit free press ( which is
still being striked for over a year now by its workers) review stated that
his name is alive was a band from England.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 02:15:05 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: to blu, and anyone else who is bored or cares...


Kelli and Blu and whoever else said:

> > ~~wait a sec, didn't you say that you don't even know the details of your
> > friends 'alleged' spat with Warren???

I don't see what the big problem is here. We all know who the posters of
these messages are; we can take their word for it or not depending on if
we consider them trustworthy. I wouldn't personally bring up the topic
without naming names, but of Kelli or whomever wishes to keep sources a
secret, all you can do is believe her or not based on what you know. And
the same goes for anyone defending the accused, no?

>   no. you are wrong. i do know what went on, but having realized that
>   1) it does no good talking about the darling of 4ad in a bad way, in
>   a place he cannot speak for himself

It is virtually impossible that he could fail to know this forum existed,
or at least that it might exist and might be important enough that his
defending himself here would be a concern.

>   and 2) i shouldn't take out
>   my frustration at the crappy way my friends are treated out on a
>   mailing list (no matter how condescending or rude some of the members
>   of said list may be), i wanted to drop the entire subject.

I don't know why your friends don't want to be publicly named, but that
does cast their integrity into some doubt. Without spilling the beans,
why can't you tell us why you friend lacks the courage of his convictions
and wishes his identity to remain a secret? It appears that his concern
must be for his identity to be a secret to other members of this list,
since it's likely Warren could pretty well figure it out by reading the
mail, which seems specific enough, unless *everyone* in Michigan is
having the same experiences with him...

> >  and from what i know of Warren, yes i would side with him.   you have yet t

> > give any reason for your harboring bad feelings toward him.  you sit there
> > and drag his name thru the muck in front of the whole list, without so much
> > as even to explain why.

You are doing the same to this other party by assuming he is in the
wrong, and this without even anecdotal, nonspecific evidence of the
variety Kelli offered. Your argument is based on a general assessment of
Warren's character and reputation. The reality seems to be that you don't
know, she might know, and most importantly that we're all intelligent
enough to take the discussion with a grain of salt and calling each
other's arguments "dragging so-and-so'd good name through the mud" is
ludicrous.

On the other hand, only one side is really trying to shut the other up,
eh?

>   this entire list has gone to shit, probably as much my
>   fault as anyone else's....

I take full responsibility, since I have been absent and thus unable to
grace this list with my wisdom and good humor.

And Blu, I still hold your DM comments against you, even if I have no
idea what they were or what the discussion was about. Actually, if
memory serves me well, it did lead to Ryan Lum's infamous "dumb aoler"
post, didn't it? So for that I should probably thank you. ;)

Now stop being mean to each other.


 e

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:59:50 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: E.P.S.E.P.S.P.E.S.P...


It must have been on this list for a few times but:

I know what E.P.S. means (I work with those kind of things every day), and
we have something in the Netherlands that's called S.E.P. and S.P.E., but
what the hell does 'E.S.P.' mean? Is it: "Extrasensory Perception"?


Just a stupid question from:

Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, July 18, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:59:34 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: 4AD e-mail


>Those e mail addresses found within THE SITE are dead and have been for
>some time.  Anyone else experienced frustration with this?

So I've heard... (there was some guy called 'John', but he doesn't work at
4AD anymore)

There's this note on The Site that there will be a HNIA page next week.
What 'next week' are they talking about? They're saying this for about two
months now...


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, July 18, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl


Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:59:47 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: The v23 Graphic Design Watch


The v23 Graphic Design Watch...

Great topic!


Did you notice the mistake (I think) on the last Lush cds (500 (Shake Baby
Shake) disk one, UK version). The lush-logo-wallpaper should have stopped
on the back, like disk two and the first four cd-singles. But on this disk
one they're also on the (right)side of the cd-sleeve.

I love design mistakes. Every design I make has one (or more ;-)

More please!

Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, July 18, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl


Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:18:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Record Collector/Warped Reality


     Does Warped Reality have a WEB PAGE, or, can you provide your e-mail
     address?


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Subject: Record Collector/Warped Reality

Date: 16/07/96 16:18 > Davin also said to mention that they do in fact have quite a few copies of > the much sought after "Warped Reality" 'zine with the hnia flexi. cover > price is $3~ but check with Davin, he may ask to include shipping/handling > costs..... And if you're going to mail-order Warped Reality, you may as well do it from the source! All proceeds from sales of the issue are going to the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund to help comic artists and others in the comics industry whose first amendment rights have been violated. Our address again: Andrea Feldman Warped Reality PO Box 2515 Providence, RI 02906 #4 with the HNIA flexi is $4 ppd. email for back issue info.

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:28:29 +0200
From: section25 (SECTION25@IDS.NET)
Subject: severed heads


Gleason E Glover  wrote:

> i love severed heads but as far as i know they have not released anything
> since cuisine

They have released 'Gigapus' on Decibel records, rather recently I
think...

brad


Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:19:50 +0100
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Spooky: Found Sound

              Jul 17, 96 03:20:04 pm

I'm a big fan of Global Communication stuff and I was just wondering how this
(and the Orbital album) compare. The thing is I can't stand stuff by, for
example, the Prodigy and the like and I can't afford to buy stuff like this and
then discover it's bangin' techno music. Not my cuppa tea, you know.
Also, can anyone tell me what Fuxa are like? I heard part of
a track on some compilation album and it sounded pretty damn good.

Thanks,

Simon

>
> After three superb eps over the past 18 months, Spooky haven't let things slid

> for this, their second album (following 1993's Gargantuan). As the title
> suggests, there is sampling a plenty - radiators, lawnmowers and all kind of
> metallic clunking. But this isn't wilful experimentation for the hell of it.
> Everything fits together in a percussive force, that still finds plenty of tim

> for stretches of blissful melancholy. If you need pointers, then Autechre's Tr

> Repetae is a pretty close place to start. But this is probably a little less
> minimalistic, and for the most part the tracks are pretty short - 16 in just
> over an hour. It's not easy to pick out highlights in an LP which is more or
> less one long highlight. Superb.
>
> Note: As I mentioned before, there is a track, Hypo-Allergenic, co-credited wi
h
> Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde (whoever they may be) that samples extensively from a


> Cocteaus track, but I couldn't say which one not being a fan.
>
> - Dez

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:20:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re[2]: a certain ratio


     A potted history -

     From Manchester, joined Factory late 1970's around the same time as
     Joy Division. Classified by the music press at the time as Northern
     Industrial Funk (along with 23 Skidoo, Clock DVA etc..).

     First LP was the cassette only "Graveyard And The Ballroom", which was
     one studio side, the other a live side.

     A collection of singles released on Factory, "Flight" being the
     seminal industrial funk masterpiece of the time, "Du The Du" filling
     the Hacienda dancefloor every week.

     7"/12" - Flight, Shack Up, Brazilia, Knife Slits Water, Wild Party,
     Mickey Way (The Candy Bar), ..... (hold on, I'm racking my brains
     here).

     LPs - Graveyard And The Ballroom, To Each, Sextet, I'd Like To See You
     Again, ACR (a retrospective compilation), Force. (If I've missed any
     I'm sorry).

     Left Factory before it crumbled, still recording but now MOR.

     Other related bands - Simon Topping left to form Quando Quango. Tony
     Quigley also played in Kalima with his sister Ann.

     A great band, lots of potential but overshadowed by New Order and Joy
     Division. In many ways more influential, and definitely more
     innovative than NO or JD. I apologise to anyone if I've missed
     anything, I guess I have somewhere. Sorry. It's not the best obituary
     I'd like to write for such a magnificent outfit!!!!


     Paul Walsh.


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Subject: Re: a certain ratio

Date: 18/07/96 01:20 i liked them years ago but, had a hard time finding anything by them here - except on compilation cds... any info on them?

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:56:28 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Spooky: Found Sound

              18, 96 02:19:50 pm

 mbdtssv  wrote on Thu, 18 Jul 1996
 (Subject: Re: Spooky: Found Sound)
 > I'm a big fan of Global Communication stuff and I was just
 > wondering how this (and the Orbital album) compare.  The thing is I
 > can't stand stuff by, for example, the Prodigy and the like and I
 > can't afford to buy stuff like this and then discover it's bangin'
 > techno music.  Not my cuppa tea, you know.

 Very early Orbital might, with a large dose of poetic licence, be
 described as bangin' techno.  You're safe with anything from the
 Brown Album onwards, though, especially if you like Global
 Communication (think "Maiden Voyage" rather than the ultra-ambient
 side of GC, though).  The Spooky album is more towards the clanging
 rhythmic end of techno, but the vocals consist of sampled "ooh"s
 rather than some multiply-pierced lunatic ranting about being a
 twisted firestarter (not my scene, either).  Less complex and
 likeable than Orbital, to my mind - "In Sides" is a far better album
 than "Found Sound".

 > Also, can anyone tell me what Fuxa are like? I heard part of a
 > track on some compilation album and it sounded pretty damn good.

 Fuxa are, um, pretty damn good.  "Three Field Rotation" (which I think
 is a compilation of singles) is the only thing of theirs I have heard.
 It's only half an hour long (swizz!), but it's packed with
 inventiveness - bongos, drone pieces, whooshing noises, strummed
 acoustic guitars.  More structure and variety than most of the
 space-rock gang.  Again, no stupid vocals to frighten the horses.
 Shame about the poor value for money, though (then again, they do fit
 more into half an hour than some bands manage in a "full length" 70
 minutes).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 18/07/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Jack - Pioneer Soundtracks

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:29:28 -0400
From: Jeffrey Timothy Jacob (tjacob@EMORY.EDU)
Subject: Re: For Sale...


Alex....

My mistake.  Space Age Bachelor Pad Music is available too.  Please send
$13 to

2018 North Buchanan Court
Arlington, VA
22207

Thanks
Tim


+++++++++++++++++++++
T i m  J a c o b
Department of Spanish
Emory University
+++++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:19:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Japanese Tortoise CD's


     Frank,

     no idea on the extra 3 tracks, and the "..Digest..." is even more
     puzzling. Where did you pick these up/see them?

     If they're good e-mail me direct as I'd like more details.

     Paul Walsh
     Paul.Walsh@Petrolite.co.uk


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Subject: Japanese Tortoise CD's

Date: 16/07/96 23:34 What's this?? TORTOISE 'Millions Now Living Will Never Die' Japanese CD with 3 extra tracks. TORTOISE 'A Digest Compendium Of The Tortoise's World' Japanese CD Anyone?? Frank +++++++++++++++++++ Frank Brinkhuis frankbri@pi.net +++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:52:43 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Cornershop... listie?


Haven't heard debate as to whether Cornershop are thislistie or not, but
I'll thow this in anyway:

Went to see Cornershop play last night and was blown away. It seems they
are the only band I've seen who are able to truly cross as many genre's
of music as possible and still manage to make music that is pleasing,
fun, and makes you want to sing along even if you dont speak the same
language. They manage to combine traditional Indian music with
loop/dub/techno, plus through in a little rock(almost punk), plus all
sortsa modern psychadelia (wall of sound/etherial stuff), I'd dare
say it sounded like there was a little bit of reggae in there too.
While it seems being 'multicultural' is a trendy thing of late (I wont
name names) I really think Cornershop manage an angle on it that is
anything but a gimick, and instead a highly critical self conscious
manipulation of different cultures/genres.

Although their set was too short, listening to them kinda made me feel
like I did when I first heard the Pixies and thought "wow! this is what
music should be doing!"

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:29:04 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: lush


--- James Renaud wrote:
what happened? they used to have taste.
--- end of quoted material ---

Lush used to have extremely tasteful cover art.  I know that this is a
much-loved 4AD band, but their popularity baffles me.  "Scar" and "Mad Love"
were wonderful.  But then...  I do agree that Lovelife is a major step forward.
I don't agree that they have finally gotten success that was due to them.
Spooky and Split feature predominantly mediocre songs and I would hesitate to
blame the production for the lack of commercial (or artistic sucess).   The
lyrics to hypocrite are ATROCIOUS.   I'm not trying to write a big "Lush sucks"
posting.  I listen to them, buy them and like them.  I just have never seen a
band of their ability be adored so fervently.  I always attributed Lush's
popularity to the original v23 ep covers/logos and the "girly" vocals.  If Lush
hadn't been on 4AD, I don't think they'd still be around today.  I don't think
Lush are any better than Scheer (which seems to be the least-favorite 4AD band
at the moment).

Does anyone else feel this way about Lush?  I know lots of people like them,
but does anyone else have more ambivalent feelings?

Also, can someone forward me the 1995 list poll?  I wasn't around for the
voting or results & I'm really curious how it turned out.

Barry

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 23:29:36 +0000
From: Tan Thong Yang (tytan@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: Propaganda


Not sure if this is very thislisty, but any fans of Propaganda out
there?

Whenever I hear of Propaganda, I never fail to moan the demise of this
brilliant group after only 2 major releases, "A Secret Wish" and
"Wishful Thinking".

But the main purpose of this posting is to find out how, and where I can
get hold of a certain ZTT sampler that contains VU's "Femme Fatale" done
by Propaganda.

Any news will be much appreciated!

tytan
"without love, beauty and danger, it would almost be easy to live"

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:11:22 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: For Sale...


--- You wrote:
Alex....

My mistake.  Space Age Bachelor Pad Music is available too.  Please send
$13 to

2018 North Buchanan Court
Arlington, VA
22207

Thanks
Tim


+++++++++++++++++++++
T i m  J a c o b
Department of Spanish
Emory University
+++++++++++++++++++++
--- end of quoted material ---



Just wanted you to know that the above message got sent to me by mistake.

Barry


Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:50:39 -0400
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: The v23 Graphic Design Watch: HNIA


I've just noticed: according to the back artwork of HNIA's "Universal
Frequencies" CD indicates it actually has 5-tracks, the fifth track just
has a blank where there would be a title (just like the ad for it in the
June issue of The Wire).

Also, does anyone else think v23 "forgot" the new HNIA logo on the front
cover of the "Stars On E.S.P." CD? It's on the "UF" CD...

===================================
t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
esoteric graphic design
                  tmp@earthlink.net
===================================

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:23:34 -0700
From: Alex Wolfson (ajw6@COLUMBIA.EDU)
Subject: Re: For Sale...


gotcha.  check for space age & orb in the mail.

Alex


Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:54:19 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Japanese Tortoise CD's


Paul,

>     no idea on the extra 3 tracks, and the "..Digest..." is even more
>     puzzling. Where did you pick these up/see them?

Rhythm Mailorder, in Cambride have them in their catalogue at apr. GBP 22,-
each.
Rhythm is excellent. Do you need their phone/fax number?

Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:05:16 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Propaganda


> Whenever I hear of Propaganda, I never fail to moan the demise of this
> brilliant group after only 2 major releases, "A Secret Wish" and
> "Wishful Thinking".

A Secret Wish is a brilliant album! Didn't they have an album
called "1234" or something? I seem to recall it didn't
feature Claudia Brucken at all. Or was it Suzanne who didn't
show up?  ZTT put out so many different versions of everything...
There must be half a dozen different mixes of P:Machinery alone.

Speaking of the brilliance of often overlooked bands, this
will probably get me banned from this list for good, but is there
anyone else who thinks the first two albums by the Thompson Twins
really got close to something unique and special? I'm not talking about
the band that did "Love On Your Side" or "Hold Me Now" (although
these aren't bad either...), but the preceeding band who had the
three latter day Twins plus about four or five others, all of whom
are credited with playing some kind of percussion. The first two albums,
A Product Of... and Set are great! The US release In The Name Of Love
is most of Set plus two from the first. When they went off on the more
tribal tunes like "Oumma Aularesso" and "Toc Toc" they sounded years
ahead of their time, and even the straightforward popsongs stood out
as noteworthy, especially "Good Gosh" one of my favorite songs of
the last decade. Anyone else care to reminisce?

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:27:32 EST
From: Joherius HD (solus@JUNO.COM)
Subject: DCD in NYC - A Baia Secou!!! (IMHO)


Hey People!

>From an objective point of view, the show was excellent!  Sure, as
Michael has     already mentioned, there were some probs: the AC had
to be off, because      that place was HOT!  Lisa missed a note (or
was it the keyboardist who      lost it?), someone screamed "I [We]
love you, Brendan!", people were        screaming in foreign languages
(who knows, maybe communicating with    Lisa ), and it sucked
that people were getting up and leaving the show
        while the band was playing (fine, maybe they were to hot and
stuff, but just
        because you don't like "American Dreaming", you don't have to get
up and
        block the view for everyone!).
As far as I can remember (and was able to recognize), they played these
songs (not
        really in order, but as I recall):

                        *Song of the Star

                        *Nierika

                        *Song of the Dispossessed (When Brendan sang
                "A Baia Secou" at the end of this song, he confirmed my
deep
                suspicion that this was a song with Brazilian rhythm
influences.
                The phrase simply means "The bay has dried.")

                        *Yolunga (One of many personal faves)

                        *Tristan

                        *Sanvean (With the already mentioned double take)

                        *American Dreaming (With slight different lyrics
from
                the version Brendan sang on the Toward The Within
tour/album)

                        *Rakim

                        *Solo flute by Robert Perry (When most people
left
                to cool down and get some refreshments, etc.  rude
people! )

                        *Lament (Only recognized it because I had heard
it
                on the French web site. From those of you who don't know,
the
                DCD web site has a link to this french site with an
unreleased
                track of a song from Lisa's concert.  very nice, imho)

                        *Violina (Or was it Persian LOve Song?  it might
have            been another Lisa solo, anyone can confirm that?)

And again, these are only some of the songs I recognized, in no
particular order, and
        I am sure I got a couple wrong.  There were other songs, as well
as a kick       ass drum jam at the end.
It is much clearer now that this last album can only be truly and fully
appreciated live.
        no way you can get the energy from the percussions from a CD.  I
also
        don't blame those who simply did not like this album because of
its more
        "drummed filled, quasi-African-latin beats".  I agree it becomes
quite
        boring after awhile (specially for those of us who were raised
where such
        sounds are predominant - Brasil, in my case), and we tend to miss
the
        ethereal/middleastern/aborigine side of DCD.
I am sure that DCD will gain as many fans as they will lose them with
this phase.  I  think that the best show of this whole tour will
be in Rio de Janeiro (and i     am not being bias here, honestly).
People will get into the drums and sort         of play along with the
band, and it will become a big party.  :)  How was it
        in the other places?  did the audiences just sat quietly during
the whole
        set, or did some people get in the rhythm and started to
dance/play along?
Oh, and i got the overpriced tour program (with the 7:30m Sambatiki
single) and the
        poster.  No big deal, by the way.  The single is an instrumental
only, and
        as the name says, a sort of a Samba.  The program/cd was not
worthed
        $20, but i thought the poster was ok for $5 (should have bought 4
posters,
        rather than the program).
And that's all I have to say.  I really wish I had met other listies
there, but that's ok.  I
        did get to see a couple of people from the Lush and Cocteau Twins
                shows.  They mentioned going to see Trainspotting this
Friday at the
        Angelika Theatre (the late show), so anybody else coming?  We are

        going to the Continental afterwards.

take care all!

J. Henrique R.








Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:48:03 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Propaganda


>Whenever I hear of Propaganda, I never fail to moan the demise of this
>brilliant group after only 2 major releases, "A Secret Wish" and
>"Wishful Thinking".
>But the main purpose of this posting is to find out how, and where I can
>get hold of a certain ZTT sampler that contains VU's "Femme Fatale" done
>by Propaganda.

I have about a zillion different Propaganda ZTT 12"s, 7"s, promo's etc,.
containing this cut. Well, actually I have: a 12", a remix 12", a 7", and 2
promo's. Which version do you want? (they are all the same, ??)

Frank (who never looks back)





>
>Any news will be much appreciated!
>
>tytan
>"without love, beauty and danger, it would almost be easy to live"
>
>
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:33:18 -0400
From: Shar Everett (ISOBL202@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: virgina astley


i have also been trying to locate her albums..

the only place that i seem to be able to find them is cdeurope for about $45
a peice!!! this is crazy.

i am looking into a couple of stores here that carry quite a few japanese
imports to see what i can come up with...
will let you know if i can find something for a decent price.

sharlito@teleport.com

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:24:11 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Propaganda


Tan Thong Yang wrote:

> Not sure if this is very thislisty, but any fans of Propaganda out
> there?

Yes!  Us Propaganda fans must stick together!  Their "A Secret Wish"
album was my first CD purchase ever!  I can listen to this album over and
over again and still love it.  The singles of the album, "Jewel" and
"P-Machinery" are cool!  I used "The Chase" as the music behind the the
opening title sequence of my music video program "Video Visions" way back
over ten years ago!  The murder of love, indeed!  And Suzanne and Claudia
look so damn appealing in that "chain link fence" shirt!!

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:45:39 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: to blu, and anyone else who is bored or cares...


On Thu, 18 Jul 1996, girlyloop wrote:

>   on any subject. this entire list has gone to shit,...

Hurray!  That's right!  Now, as I've asked many times in the past... when
is the HNIA / Time Stereo / whatever list being set up?

Mike

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:51:52 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: a certain ratio


Paul Walsh wrote:

>     First LP was the cassette only "Graveyard And The Ballroom", which was
>     one studio side, the other a live side.
>     A collection of singles released on Factory, "Flight" being the
>     seminal industrial funk masterpiece of the time,

'Flight', produced by Martin Hannett, is THE early '80 single.


>      "Du The Du" filling the Hacienda dancefloor every week.

This title might have inspired the whole Current 93/Industrial movement,
i.e. the full track title is 'Du The Du(casse), that's Ducasse, from Isodore
Ducasse, the 19th century write a.k.a. Lautreamont, who wrote 'Maldoror' and
there's a critcal study about him called 'The Nightmare Culture'. Ring any
bells? Small world?


>     7"/12" - Flight, Shack Up, Brazilia, Knife Slits Water, Wild Party,
>     Mickey Way (The Candy Bar), ..... (hold on, I'm racking my brains
>     here).

'Funaezekea' is great with its bold George Clinton/Funkadelic influences...
Other singles include 'Guess Who?' and 'I Need Someone Tonight'.


>     LPs - Graveyard And The Ballroom, To Each, Sextet, I'd Like To See You
>     Again, ACR (a retrospective compilation), Force. (If I've missed any
>     I'm sorry).

The retro is called 'The Old And The New'. I don't think you missed any.
'Sextet' is THE early '80's album.


>     Other related bands - Simon Topping left to form Quando Quango.

No he didn't, QQ was formed by Mike Pickering (the later Hac DJ) and Gonnie
Rietveld . Topping left for NYC (and a girl living there...) to study
percussion. He returned with a 12" on Factory Benelux, called 'Prospect
Park' (a park in NYC, isn't it?).


>     A great band, lots of potential but overshadowed by New Order and Joy
>     Division. In many ways more influential, and definitely more
>     innovative than NO or JD.

Maybe more innovative but not more influential (unfortunately): Ca.
1981-1983 all demo's and 7"s John Peel played sounded like JD/NO, NOT like ACR.


Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:04:33 -0400
From: lorelei tremolor (lfl3858@IS4.NYU.EDU)
Subject: local NYC band concert


for all the local listies, please take note that my band, Closer, is
playing in New York next week-

@ the Pyramid, 101 Avenue A between 6th and 7th
at 10 pm
Saturday, July 27

we are/were a sugahbell band... anyway, please do come because we need all
the positive vibes we can get...


lorraine


Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:00:17 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Propaganda


Brant,

Thompson Twins still hold a place in my heart!  As do:  MIssing Persons,
Nena, Blancmange, Visage, Romeo Void, Cyndi Lauper, Duran Duran, The
Police, The Bangles and 4AD's own Modern English...

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:29:38 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Thompson Twins


>this will probably get me banned from this list for good, but is there
>anyone else who thinks the first two albums by the Thompson Twins
>really got close to something unique and special? I'm not talking about
>the band that did "Love On Your Side" or "Hold Me Now" (although
>these aren't bad either...), but the preceeding band who had the
>three latter day Twins plus about four or five others, all of whom
>are credited with playing some kind of percussion. The first two albums,

Dear Brant,

Thompson Twins are in a leaugue of their own with Bay City Rollers,
Shakatak, Eddy The Eagle and some others....

Howe dare you bring up this topic!

Frank

+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++


Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:20:46 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Xymox news


I've just been informed from a very reliable source
that the next Xymox album is going to be a return
to the style of Clan Of Xymox and Medusa rather than
the techno/dance of the more recent ones. Ronny Moorings
is starting his own label to release it.

It'll be interesting to see whether he still has it in him...

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:54:59 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: lush


Barry Matthews wrote (amidst other stuff):

>I always attributed Lush's popularity to the original v23 ep covers/logos and
the "girly" vocals.  If Lush
>hadn't been on 4AD, I don't think they'd still be around today.

I think you seriously over-estimate the power of 4AD. Apart from a few 4AD-heads
dotted around the globe, the label really doesn't have that kind of kudos.
People in the end buy records for the music. This is of course heavily
influenced by what they get to hear, and to a lesser extent, by press attention,
but being signed to 4AD is no guarantee of any kind of commercial success. Look
at Spirea X, Wolfgang Press, latterday Pale Saints - none of whom achieved much
commercially. And the bargain bins round my way are full of Air Miami CDs.
Lush's success is in part due to being in the right place at the right time.
They were already there when the dreaded shoegazing (briefly) took off, so they
benefited from that for a while, whilst others like Chapterhouse, Revolver,
Moose and even Ride were quickly exposed as having little more than one idea.
Then Lovelife arrived at the height of Britpop, and although it irks me somewhat
to say it, they probably gained something from the popularity of Echobelly,
Sleeper, Salad, Elastica et al (not that I'd lump them in with that bunch of
one-trick ponies - but I can see why cloth-eared radio producers might). And
does anyone seriously buy records because of the cover?

- Dez


Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:00:02 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Xymox news


At 2:20 PM 7/18/96, Dewdrops Records wrote:
>I've just been informed from a very reliable source
>that the next Xymox album is going to be a return
>to the style of Clan Of Xymox and Medusa rather than
>the techno/dance of the more recent ones. Ronny Moorings
>is starting his own label to release it.
>
>It'll be interesting to see whether he still has it in him...

Keep us posted. I really am fond of those days.

Fred "Stranger" Collins

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:57:33 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Thompson Twins


sorry, but I've gotta stick my 2 or 3 cents in here...

does anyone remember 'if you were here' from Sidekicks?  it was played in
the last scene and over the closing credits of Sixteen Candles?

my bands been playing that live for the last few months...it always draws
interesting comments from people afterwards.

rick

>>this will probably get me banned from this list for good, but is there
>>anyone else who thinks the first two albums by the Thompson Twins
>>really got close to something unique and special? I'm not talking about
>>the band that did "Love On Your Side" or "Hold Me Now" (although
>>these aren't bad either...), but the preceeding band who had the
>>three latter day Twins plus about four or five others, all of whom
>>are credited with playing some kind of percussion. The first two albums,
>
>Dear Brant,
>
>Thompson Twins are in a leaugue of their own with Bay City Rollers,
>Shakatak, Eddy The Eagle and some others....
>
>Howe dare you bring up this topic!
>
>Frank
>
>+++++++++++++++++++
>Frank Brinkhuis
>frankbri@pi.net
>+++++++++++++++++++
>
>

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:17:34 -0400
From: Shar Everett (ISOBL202@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Propaganda


i love propaganda!
i saw this amazing box set about 4 years ago but, did not buy it. ... bad
move...

this list is really bringing back some old favs....

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:35:02 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: In love with Audrey from scheer...


For 4AD completists only:  In Canada, Mercury/Polydor issued a bunch of
"budget" CD singles around three years ago.  They are still plenty of
these around but two are of interest to 4AD people...

76974 3008 2  THE BREEDERS
              "Cannonball"/"Hag"

76974 3013 2  DEAD CAN DANCE
              "The Ubiquitous Mr. Lovegrove"/
              "The Wind That Shakes The Barley"

Also, is there a Colourbox revival going on?  The downtown HMV has stacks
of CAD 508 CD and MAD 315 CD in stock for some weird reason...

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA

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NEWS FLASH...  4AD was purchased by DreamworksSKG and in a flurry of
media excitement, 4AD signs Hootie And The Blowfish away from Atlantic!
4AD changes catalogue numbering system to restart with HOOTIE 1, HOOTIE 2
and BLOWFISH D 1 CD!!  Brendan Perry contributes handclaps to the new
Hootie album released on 4AD in the fall!!


Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 19:35:26 -0400
From: Gleason E Glover (Tym2surf@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Xymox news


of course he does he was just distracted for a little while by comercialism .
I BET THIS IS HIS BEST EVER! p.s. any idea on the new line up yet


Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:27:19 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: 4AD Graphic Design Flaws


While this is not v23, it is a 4AD release, though...  I'm speaking of
Air Miami's "Me Me Me" album.  The vinyl of this album has the number
CAD 5011, as we all know.  However, on the inner sleeve, the number reads
5012, which is really the number for a scheer EP!!  Is this an
intentional glitch?  Was the album originally assigned the 5012 number?
Also with Air Miami, the "Fuck You, Tiger" EP features the TeenBeat
number of TeenBeat 187 CD on the 7" instead of the TeenBeat 187 number,
which ended up on the CD version!  A simple mix up or what??
Also, note ALL the subtle differences in cover art from the UK "Me Me Me"
and the US version.  The US version, which came out long before the UK
version, lists the song "Reprise" as cut # 13.  On the UK version, that
same song is listed as # 14, ommiting # 13 entirely!!  Thirteen, unlucky
for many, some of the time...  There are many art changes from US and UK
versions of this album!  Count all differences and win a free Air Miami
promo "black box".

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:14:29 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Thompson Twins

              96 02:57:33 pm

> sorry, but I've gotta stick my 2 or 3 cents in here...
>
> does anyone remember 'if you were here' from Sidekicks?  it was played in
> the last scene and over the closing credits of Sixteen Candles?

I can't possibly be the only other person on this list who has seen
Sixteen Candles and most of the other John Hughes movies many too many
times.  For those who only vaguely remember, Molly Ringwold is standing in
the doorway of the church after her sister's wedding, and across the
street is the hunky senior she has had a crush on, standing beside his
bright red Porsche.  He looks at her and she looks to her side, not
believing that it is her he is looking at.  And he points to her, they
smile, and she gets the guy.  Aw...I love happy endings.  and all the
while, If YOu Were Here is playing in the background.  Pretty darn cool,
at least for 1984 or so...

> my bands been playing that live for the last few months...it always draws
> interesting comments from people afterwards.

What kind of band?  Is it a radically different version?

-greg

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 20:51:45 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Propaganda + Thompson Twins

              Records" at Jul 18, 96 09:05:16 am

> > Whenever I hear of Propaganda, I never fail to moan the demise of this
> > brilliant group after only 2 major releases, "A Secret Wish" and
> > "Wishful Thinking".

> A Secret Wish is a brilliant album! Didn't they have an album
> called "1234" or something? I seem to recall it didn't
> feature Claudia Brucken at all. Or was it Suzanne?

Yeah, A Secret Wish is great!  Incidentally, the original UK release was
about 55 minutes long, including a 6 minute Jewel and a 4 minute Duel (I
love this contrast of two completely different version of the same song).
The disc that is currently in stores and distributed by Island is only
about 42 minutes long, even though the back of the cd contains the
original release's track order and times.  Be warned!  This shorter
version has a 3 1/2 minute version of Jewel with no vocals (just the
scream), and Dr. Mabuse and Dream Within A Dream are butchered to about 3
minutes each.

As for 1234, it's a bit of a disappointment, after such a promising album.
 (For those not familiar with Propaganda, Wishful Thinking is basically a
remix album of A Secret Wish).  Claudia does not appear at all, and
Susanne only appears on one track.  There was even some contribution from
Howard Jones on the album.  very different.

> Speaking of the brilliance of often overlooked bands, this
> will probably get me banned from this list for good, but is there
> anyone else who thinks the first two albums by the Thompson Twins
> really got close to something unique and special? I'm not talking about
> the band that did "Love On Your Side" or "Hold Me Now" (although
> these aren't bad either...), but the preceeding band who had the
> three latter day Twins plus about four or five others, all of whom
> are credited with playing some kind of percussion. The first two albums,
> A Product Of... and Set are great! The US release In The Name Of Love
> is most of Set plus two from the first. When they went off on the more
> tribal tunes like "Oumma Aularesso" and "Toc Toc" they sounded years
> ahead of their time, and even the straightforward popsongs stood out
> as noteworthy, especially "Good Gosh" one of my favorite songs of
> the last decade. Anyone else care to reminisce?

> |     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes

What do those earlier albums sound like?  I am only familiar with "later"
sounds of Sidekicks, Into the Gap, etc.
And what do you think of the latest iteration of the band, Babble?

-greg

Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:50:36 -0400
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Air Miami in bargain bins


>And the bargain bins round my way are full of Air Miami CDs.

What a disgrace!

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:52:59 -0400
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Scheering The Pavement


"Thanks...before it's too late."

--Audrey Gallagher, after Scheer performed "Howling Boy" to open their LA set

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:31:17 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Insides


OK, I dont know why I didnt check this out when it was in all the
listening stations a while back, but can somebody give me the lowdown on
Insides - "Euphoria" that came out on 4AD/Guernica a while back?

What do they sound like? What do they do? Are they some incestuous
combination of some other former 4ad artists? If I buy the disc will it
change my life?