Subject: Re: Liz Fraser in Hole?
Subject: off topic - nyc to boston (or vice versa)
Subject: Re: HNIA, Severed Heads
Subject: Re: where to order 4ad imports....
Subject: Three A.D.
Subject: Re: [email protected]
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Subject: Re: new Cocteau CDs
Subject: a certain ratio
Subject: Re: New Lush & Throwing Musies UK 12" promos
Subject: Re: HNIA, Severed Heads
Subject: Re: Japanese Tortoise CD's
Subject: Re: virgina astley
Subject: Lush dates at Ticketmaster site
Subject: Re: HNIA, Severed Heads
Subject: A CERTAIN RATIO
Subject: Re: Japanese Tortoise CD's
Subject: a certain ratio (2)
Subject: Re: HNIA ad in The Wire
Subject: Chimera tour dates
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Subject: Spooky: Found Sound
Subject: For Sale...
Subject: Re: For Sale...
Subject: Re: Japanese Tortoise CD's
Subject: Tower Records Ad For Wrong DCD Date
Subject: Re: Japanese Tortoise CD's
Subject: Re: HNIA ad in The Wire
Subject: shellyan orphan - helleborine cd available
Subject: Re: a certain ratio
Subject: 4AD e-mail
Subject: Re: where to order 4ad imports....
Subject: Re: HNIA ad in The Wire
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Subject: Re: hnia
Subject: Re: Wrong Barcodes
Subject: Re: where to order 4ad imports....
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:44:00 CDT
At 11:37 AM 7/16/96 +0400, you wrote:
>Guys, I have something strange to ask
>
>My feeble memory "claims" that I have personally watched a video
>by the group called HOLE, featuring vocals by none other than
>Elizabeth Frazer! Please tell me that I am wrong...
>
>A frustrated
>
>Umur Celikyay
>
I think you must have been on drugs.
.................
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:06:50 -0700
very off-topic shot in the dark...looking for a ride in xchange for gas money,
if anyone's driving from nyc to boston (or martha's vineyard) on friday 7/26
and/or returning to nyc on monday 7/29.
:}
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:12:14 -0700
>I assume you're talking about Severed Heads ca. 'Come Visit The Big Bigot'
(1985) and 'Bad Mood Guy' (1987)?
I've heard 'Bad Mood Guy', but unfortunately don't remember much of it; 'Come
Visit the Big Bigot' doesn't ring any bells. I'm not much of a fan; a friend of
mine is, though, and I did like 'Cuisine' enough to record it from him, and I
believe it's the second 'half' of this album that HNIA reminded me of.
Jon
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 00:09:28 -0500
On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Jeff Keibel wrote:
> source for 4AD imports, try Republic Records. They are based in my town
> of Toronto and have an extensive list of mail order clients from around
> the world. Their store is named after a New Order album as the owner
> really digs N.O. and all things Factory. He's also really into
the store sounds like a good source, so i don't mean this as a dig, but
couldn't they have found a good new order album to name themselves
after? and of course republic isn't a very good representative of
factory, either. (i am smiling, but i detest the :), so you'll have to
take it on my honor)
to tie this in with music somehow, and factory onehow, is anyone else
here a fan of a certain ratio? i only have sextet, which i love. i
could listen to the woman singer's voice all day, and the early 80s
british funk trappings are rather charming, esp. when combined with some joy
division/new order sounding bass/guitar stuff. and the drumming is
snappy, precise, and unlikely; there are a couple of fills that could
easily be jungle fodder.
where are they now? and what is the ratio?
mark
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 00:11:12 -0700
Weird. What the hell do they call the next one??
e
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:53:25 -0600
Well, i was done at the local HMV, panning through the various
dance section, not really expecting to find much of anyhting (not
because i dislike HMV, this paticular HMV just really blows chunks) when
hiding behind a new crappy culture beat single i saw Three A.D. . This
is a waveform copalation, and a follow up to One, and Two A.D., both of
which i was very inpressed with. It has a new unreleased track by Jhona
Sharp (Space Time Continuum) called Oracle, and other stuff by waveform
people such as, Real life, higher intelligence agency, sound from the
ground, a new one from A Positive life, cold cut, and star seeds are
some to note. Anyway, i have listened through it a couple times and
really hace enjoyed the more upbeat, yet still entrance style of many of
the writters on this compalation. Just wondering if anyone else has this
disk, and what they think of it.
Chill Out (Aaron Cherot)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:30:38 +0300
On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Jeff Keibel wrote:
> Lon, you shouldn't have to show up too early at the Dead Can Dance gig.
> I showed up at the time doors opened and was able to find boxes of copies
> of that DCD tour program (which mysteriously does not list the Jul 15
> Toronto date I attended). I picked up three copies. It includes a bonus
> CD (DCD4), which is a one tracker featuring a non-album track called
> "Sambatiki". It's a cool "limited" 4AD thingy, that's for sure!
>
> Jeff Keibel
> Toronto, ON
> CANADA
>
I guess most of you know this... I found the tour program price a bit too
high. The CD contains a single song, called "SAMBETIKI." This is a 7,5
minute instrumental which digresses from the album somewhat... I guess it
is worth the price if you're a fanatic... The date I attended (July 4th
Istanbul) included no freebies...
cheers
umur cy celikyay
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:40:24 -0700
At 12:55 PM 7/15/96 -0700, you wrote:
>> in michigan, the reason behind his drop in the poles, is taht he
>> is "getting too famous" or better yet, he is being talked about too
>> much. not punk enough? hahahahahahha. oh well, you always have to be
>> standing where they don't think you are around here.
>> sean
>
> it goes a little deeper than that. you can be talked about a lot and
> still keep a good attitude. it's all about not letting things go to
> your head. however, in this case, there's a lot more to this than
> him "being too famous". in fact, kenny isn't too well liked either.
>
> k
Am I the only one who is uncomfortable by the personal nature of k's messages?
It's one thing to say: "I shmoozed with (your favorite artist here) at a
party and he/she told me I was really cool and all about the new record and
when it will be released and how it sounds just like the Mamas and the Papas
etc..."
Or speculation from a fans point of view:
>>I saw Liz kissing a roadie.
>nope, that was just Robin.
This is a *fans* forum, and it bothers me to see people bring their personal
vendetta into the fray. Granted, it is a blurry line, we would all like to
believe that we're in with our favorite artist and that we know whats best
for them but, I really don't want to know about someones problems with an
artist on a personal level.
-Paul
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:21:07 -0400
> Anyone else notice that the mix of "Circling Girl" is less spectral than the
> one on Volume 15? It's a bit rougher with more audible distortion on the
> guitar, less refinement in the vocal effects, and no guitar plucking intro.
Uh oh (for completist collectors with low funds). Does this seem like a
different mix of the same recording, or a completely different take?
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:24:59 GMT
>to tie this in with music somehow, and factory onehow, is anyone else
>here a fan of a certain ratio?
The A Certain Ratio Factory back catalogue is available on CD in the UK
on Creation Records. But as for where they are now, or the origin of the
name... I'm not sure. I remember reading a magazine article about Factory
years ago that said the name 'A Certain Ratio' had fascist connotations
in the same way that 'Joy Division' and 'New Order' did, but I'm quite
happy to believe this is not true. If anyone knows the origin of the
phrase 'A Certain Ratio' - which appears in Italian I think - on a coat
of arms on my copy of 'The Old and the New', please let me know!
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:42:39 +0200
>>There's also a 12" promo only for '500 (Shake Baby Shake)': LUSH 8. Same as
>>the 12" promo's for 'Single Girl' and 'Ladykillers': 1-track/1-sided in
>>die-cut Lush logo sleeve.
>
>I've heard that there is an extra unlisted track on the end of this 12". It's a
>version of Single Girl performed by Mark Radcliffe and Marc Riley of Radio 1,
>and is called Single Bloke. This comes from a guy I know who runs a record
shop, and who isn't prone to fanciful stories. Anyone have this to confirm
or >deny the rumour?
I'll have the 12" by the end of the week, I'll then confirm/deny the rumour,
okay?
Frank
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[email protected]
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:42:51 +0200
>>I assume you're talking about Severed Heads ca. 'Come Visit The Big Bigot'
>>(1985) and 'Bad Mood Guy' (1987)?
>
>I've heard 'Bad Mood Guy', but unfortunately don't remember much of it; 'Come
>Visit the Big Bigot' doesn't ring any bells. I'm not much of a fan; a
friend >of mine is, though, and I did like 'Cuisine' enough to record it
from him, and >I believe it's the second 'half' of this album that HNIA
reminded me of.
Aha!! The second half = the additional 'Piscatorial' tracks!! Now I
understand. Those tracks are indeed rather HNIA-ish, despite the fact that
SH make electronic music.
>i love severed heads but as far as i know they have not released anything
>since cuisine
They did release the following, only in Australia:
'Metapus' CD (VOLITION VOLT CD 80)
'Metapus'/'Vidipus' Ltd. CD+Video (VOLITION VOLT CD/V 80)
'Metapus'/'Gigapus' Ltd. CD+CDROM (VOLITION VOLT CD/CDR 80)
'Dead Eyes Opened' CDsingle (VOLITION VOLT CD90)
'Heart Of The Party' CDsingle (VOLITION VOLT CD 120)
Frank
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Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:07:57 +0900
At 9:42 PM 96.7.16 +0200, Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
>What's this??
I don't know. But Search Engine says:
>TORTOISE 'Millions Now Living Will Never Die' Japanese CD with 3 extra tracks.
1. Djed
2. Glass Museum
3. A Survey
4. The Tot And Tame
5. Dear Grandma And Grandpa
6. Along The Banks Of Rivers
7. Gamera
8. Goriri
9. Restless Waters
>TORTOISE 'A Digest Compendium Of The Tortoise's World' Japanese CD
1. Tin Cans And Twain
2. Tin Cans And Twain (Puerto Rican Mix)
3. Alcohol
4. Night Air
5. Goose Neck
6. Onions Wrapped In Rubber
7. Spiderwebbed
8. Cobwebbed
9. Your New Rod
10. Ry Cooder (The Beer Incident)
11. Not Quite East Of The Lyan
12. Resevoir
13. Cornpan Branch
14. White Water
15. Initial Gesture Proraction
I'm not sure about spellings. Guess the correct titles.
---
$BK-@n!!2m:H (B
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:07:27 +0900
At 3:16 PM 96.7.7 -0700, Dewdrops Records wrote:
>Yes. She had an album a few years ago called All Shall Be Well.
>It came out on a Japanese label, which seems to be the only place
>you can get her material these days. Everything else is out of
>print, even Hope In A Darkened Heart on Geffen and the stuff on
>Rough Trade. Virginia Astley is one of those special artists
>who's earned a permanent place in my heart, and as a result
>I've put together a complete discography, which follows:
Today I found that Nippon Columbia released her album this March.
Had I The Heaven
1 March1996 CD COCY-80070 Japan - Nippon Columbia
It's Over Now / Over The Edge Of The World /
Nothing Is As It Seems / Broken / Where I Belong /
I Can't Say Good-bye / Had I The Heaven / Another Road /
How Can I Do This To You / I Know A Tune We Could Sing /
A Long Long Year
>Virginia Astley Discography
>[Please send any corrections or additions to Brant Nelson
>[email protected]]
>Promise Nothing
1993 COCY-75332 Japan-Nippon Columbia (Deleted)
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[email protected]
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:37:52 -0700
Hi all,
Just checked the Ticketmaster site at www.ticketmaster.com and they had
some Lush dates listed, including one at the Glass House in Pomona on
September 3rd for all you Southern Californians. I'm excited as I missed
both of their shows a few months ago.
By the way, are those two new Cocteau singles available here yet?
matthew
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:48:03 -0700
As a footnote, I'd like to add that Severed Heads have been the recipient
of artwork by Stephen R Gilmore (who did most of the early Nettwerk
designs), one of the better designers (most likely) inspired by Vaughan
Oliver.
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esoteric graphic design
[email protected]
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:46:35 -0400
>>anyone else here a fan of a certain ratio? where are they now? and what is
the ratio?<<
ACR are still around, I believe, and on Creation who reissued all of their
material and put out some sort of "best of" about two years ago.
As with the majority of bands, the earlier you go, the better the music.
"Shack Up" is perfection.
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:16:32 +0100
Jul 17, 96 11:07:57 pm
Masaya Toyokawa Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:04:23 -0400
Giles./List
The name comes from a lyric, from a song on Eno's "Taking Tiger Mountain By
Strategy" album.
"Looking for a certain ratio-o-o!"
And that's what everybody's doing now, eh?
Roy
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:44:51 GMT
>Graphic designers: check out the ad for Stars On ESP in the July issue
of
>The Wire magazine...what's dreadfully wrong with it?
well, I guess this means they changed the title of the 'Universal
Frequencies' EP at some point? the title being rather dreadfully squashed
in a courier-like font, the rest of the blurb set in pixellated serifed
font, and the main headline of the ad tastefully set as per album
artwork...
so what went wrong with this ad, and why did they let such sloppy design
go to press?
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:45:48 -0700
The following are tour dates for Chimera, whose
new album Earth Loop hits stores on July 30.
Jul 31 Dublin Pub, New Hyde Park, NY
Aug 6 QE2, Albany, NY
Aug 7 Tuxedo Junction, Danbury, CT
Aug 8 Middle East, Cambridge, MA
Aug 14 Brownies, New York, NY
Aug 15 Upstairs @ Nick's, Philadelphia, PA
Aug 21 Luna Park, W. Hollywood, CA
Aug 28 Paradise Lounge, San Francisco, CA
More dates and cities to come. This is all the info I have,
so please check the Grass Records web site for more:
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:46:19 -0700
On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, Paul wrote:
> This is a *fans* forum, and it bothers me to see people bring their personal
> vendetta into the fray. Granted, it is a blurry line, we would all like to
> believe that we're in with our favorite artist and that we know whats best
> for them but, I really don't want to know about someones problems with an
> artist on a personal level.
it's not a "vendetta".
i think warren is a brilliant musician and everyone should listen to
hnia. BUT, i'm not in with anyone, and i *do* want stress that. you
don't see me hanging out at the record collector every other day....
k
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:20:04 EDT
After three superb eps over the past 18 months, Spooky haven't let things slide
for this, their second album (following 1993's Gargantuan). As the title
suggests, there is sampling a plenty - radiators, lawnmowers and all kind of
metallic clunking. But this isn't wilful experimentation for the hell of it.
Everything fits together in a percussive force, that still finds plenty of time
for stretches of blissful melancholy. If you need pointers, then Autechre's Tri
Repetae is a pretty close place to start. But this is probably a little less
minimalistic, and for the most part the tracks are pretty short - 16 in just
over an hour. It's not easy to pick out highlights in an LP which is more or
less one long highlight. Superb.
Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde (whoever they may be) that samples extensively from a
Cocteaus track, but I couldn't say which one not being a fan.
- Dez
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:30:35 -0400
I'm offering the following discs for sale to interested
parties. Please respond to me directly and not to the list.
Prices include postage. Thanks. Tim
Pram Helium Too Pure $7
Mouse on Mars Vulvaland Too Pure $7
Felt Ab. Classic Masterpieces (2CD) $12
Volume II
Cure Wild Mood Swings $6
Bailter Space BEIP ep $4
Curve Frozen ep $4
JAMC Psychocandy $6
Red House Red House Painters (Bridge) $6
Painters
Spacemen 3 Perfect Prescription $6
Auteurs Now I'm a Cowboy $5
Swallow Blow $5
johanna's house farewell street $4
of glamour
Teenage Fanclub Grand Prix $6
Blue Nile Peace at Last $6
Bood Radleys Learning to Walk $9
underworld second toughest in the infants $6
American Music Hello Amsterdam $5
Club
echobelly everyone's got one $5
David Sylvian Plight and Premonition $5
Holger Czukay
Mazzy Star She Hangs Brightly $6
Pale Saints Comforts of Madness $9
Glee Club mine $5
Disco Inferno Second Language ep $5
the orb orbvs terrarvm $5
the orb adventures beyond the ultraworld (2CD) $8
oracle Tree $6
Moose reprise ep $4
Stereolab Space Age Batchelor Page Music $5
Stereolab Peng! $7
Ecstasy of Free-D (Original Soundtrack) $7
Saint Theresa
Unrest Cath Carroll ep $5
Laika Silver Apples on the Moon (uk) $8
My Bloody isnt' anything $5
Valentine
Wolfgang Press Funky Little Demons $5
Medicine The Buried Life $5
Lilys Eccsame the Photon Band $5
Butterfly Child onomatopoeia $6
ride smile $5
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T i m J a c o b
Department of Spanish
Emory University
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:03:44 -0700
I'd like these. Where do I send the $$$
> the orb adventures beyond the ultraworld (2CD) $8
And if you have that, I'd like this too.
> Stereolab Space Age Batchelor Page Music $5
Alex
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:45:12 +0200
> > > TORTOISE 'Millions Now Living Will Never Die' Japanese CD with 3
> > > extra tracks.
> > 1. Djed
> > 2. Glass Museum
> > 3. A Survey
> > 4. The Tot And Tame
> > 5. Dear Grandma And Grandpa
> > 6. Along The Banks Of Rivers
> > 7. Gamera
> > 8. Goriri
> > 9. Restless Waters
>
> 1-6 are the standard album, "Goriri" is (I think) the track on the
> "Macro Dub Infection" compilation, not sure of the other two.
'Gamera' is from the Duophonic 12"
> > > TORTOISE 'A Digest Compendium Of The Tortoise's World' Japanese CD
> > 1. Tin Cans And Twain
> > 2. Tin Cans And Twain (Puerto Rican Mix)
> > 3. Alcohol
> > 4. Night Air
> > 5. Goose Neck
> > 6. Onions Wrapped In Rubber
> > 7. Spiderwebbed
> > 8. Cobwebbed
> > 9. Your New Rod
> > 10. Ry Cooder (The Beer Incident)
> > 11. Not Quite East Of The Lyan
> > 12. Resevoir
> > 13. Cornpan Branch
> > 14. White Water
> > 15. Initial Gesture Proraction
>
> "Twain" should read "Twine". Most of these seem to be from the first
> self-titled album, or the "Rhythms, Clusters and Resolutions" remix
> album (2, 10, 15 and one of 7 or 8 for sure). I'm not even sure of the
> title of the remix album, but it's something like that.
'Reservoir' is from the 'Lonesome Sound' 7", 'Whitewater' from the 'Why We
Fight' 7" and 'Gooseneck' from the 'Mosquito' 7".
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[email protected]
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:31:43 EST
Hey There;
just so you know, Tower Records has an ad for DCD and they list two show
dates, July 17th and 18th. Unfortunately, I call city centre and
they said that it
was a mistake. whose mistake???
don't get all excited if you see the ad, and if you did see, and were
planning to call...
JHR
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:18:12 -0400
> > 9. Restless Waters
>From the US "Lounge Ax..." various artists compilation CD
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:23:07 -0400
>so what went wrong with this ad, and why did they let such sloppy design
>go to press?
A missing font is the likely culprit. I've just noticed that the bar code
on the Stars On ESP CD is wrong...
--The v23 Graphic Design Watch
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:25:16 -0400
hop over to lakeshore records page at:
and you will find a copy of helleborine listed. i don't know if it's still
available. good luck.
-bruce
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D is for Desond thrown out of a sleigh
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bruce levenstein
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:40:28 -0400
i liked them years ago but, had a hard time finding anything by them here -
except on compilation cds...
any info on them?
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:24:40 -0700
Those e mail addresses found within THE SITE are dead and have been for
some time. Anyone else experienced frustration with this?
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:07:48 -0400
<< so anyone who can point me in the right direction
of a place where i can get *both* the import cd and lp...i'll be
grateful....
hmpf,
k >>
er um.....yeah....how about 4AD mail order???
i think i mentioned here not more than a few days ago, i got my order just 8
days after faxing it. mail order dept is on top of things now these days,
give 'em another chance.
~^blu^~
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:28:44 -0700
> --The v23 Graphic Design Watch
Who has copies of "Gentle Creatures" on CD with the "wrong" UPS code?
The same with the "Dizzy" 7" and 10" - they both have stickered UPS
codes. v23 getting sloppy?
Red Atkins
Toronto, ON
CANBADA
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:05:48 -0400
<< BUT, i'm not in with anyone, ...>>
perhaps this is why someone has a vendetta toward warren ...... eh who
knows...who cares anymore.
~blu
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:03:26 -0400
In a message dated 96-07-16 04:13:07 EDT, kelli wrote:
<<<< On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 [email protected] wrote:
> agreed, i think we all should keep our petty little personality conflicts
to
> ourselves (especially when no one else shares them).
of course you don't share them, as you don't know what i know... >>>>
~~wait a sec, didn't you say that you don't even know the details of your
friends 'alleged' spat with Warren???
<<<...and even ifyou did, i get the overwhelming feeling you would still side
with warren. i dunno...is it just me, or do harbor some harsh feelings to
certain
members of the list?
k
>>>>
~~ first of all, i don't harbor any ill will to any list members (except for
maybe einexile for that whole depeche mode incident awhile back {j/k e!})
and from what i know of Warren, yes i would side with him. you have yet to
give any reason for your harboring bad feelings toward him. you sit there
and drag his name thru the muck in front of the whole list, without so much
as even to explain why. and then to do it in a place where he can't defend
himself ('net wise that is)...i think is just pretty pathetic. so yes, i
will defend him.... i think he's a genius.....he's my friend....and
undeserving of this treatment~~~
then on 96-07-16 at 15:03:22 EDT, [email protected] (The Boy In Zinc) wrote:
{{{{{blu wrote:
>>>agreed, i think we all should keep our petty little personality conflicts
to
ourselves (especially when no one else shares them).
~blu<<<
you just go around looking to set off a flame war don't you? i think it's a
bit much to say that your views (i.e., there is no problem with warren's
personality) are the views of everyone who knows him...someone in the public
eye (public in the eyes of this list, at least) will always have his/her
detractors, dude...just because you don't agree with k-j doesn't mean she's
wrong...k-j was repeating what she had heard from someone else (while
excercising the common decency of protecting that person's identity)...she
has no reason to lie, dude...think o these things before you let your "defend
my friend" instincts take over...
BiZ, who actually knows very little about the whole thing...i just didn't
like yr tone, skipper
"hey, what's that noise...do you remember?"}}}}}}}}
~~~ listen "dude", as i mentioned above, if you're going to attack someone
publicly, you should at least do it somewhere where that person can defend
him/herself. I would have been willing to entertain kelli's gripe had see
even been able to give a reason why Warren was such an liked person these
days.....
I am not the one starting the flame wars here....some on the list enjoy
starting gossip like this by merely stating "well so-and-so is shitting on my
friends" and can't even back up that claim~~~
then on 96-07-17 08:15:09 EDT, [email protected] (Paul) so elegantly wrote:
<<<<