Subject: Re: HNIA, Shelleyan Orphan, TMC, Tricky
Subject: harold budd/hector zazou
Subject: Scheer 7" giveaway
Subject: Re: Scheer 7" giveaway
Subject: Re: DCD Dallas Tix and what about the shirts
Subject: HNIA 'Stars On ESP' LP
Subject: Re: where get 4AD t-shirtrs and posters?
Subject: Subbacultcha?
Subject: Smoke and Mirrors/Intra-band relationships
Subject: Intra-band relationships
Subject: Re: Smoke and Mirrors/Intra-band relationships
Subject: DCD in NY tix?
Subject: Re: harold budd/hector zazou
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins / Dead Can Dance
Subject: dream/warren defever
Subject: Unrest's Caroline Records
Subject: stars of the lid
Subject: Re: Smoke and Mirrors/Intra-band relationships
Subject: Re: DCD in NY tix?
Subject: love spirals downwards upcoming alubm
Subject: Re: Smoke and Mirrors/Intra-band relationships
Subject: Ambient Extractions/HNIA
Subject: Re: His Name is OVERTAKING 4AD-L
Subject: Help! re: Lovesliescrushing - Xuvetyn
Subject: Re: harold budd/hector zazou
Subject: Re: stars of the lid
Subject: DCD article from the Boston Globe - 7.12.96
Subject: DCD IN NYC - Idea
Subject: Help! re: Lovesliescrushing - Xuvetyn
Subject: Dreams...nightmares...
Subject: dreams and desires
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins / Dead Can Dance
Subject: Re: DCD IN NYC - Idea
Subject: what's the song...
Subject: Re: stars of the lid
Subject: Re: stars of the lid
Subject: Re: DCD IN NYC - Idea....not so far-fetched.
Subject: ESP Continent vs ESP Summer
Subject: DCD in DC
Subject: Re: class action lawsuits and whatnot...
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: Re: ESP Continent vs ESP Summer
Subject: Re: expanding the cocteaus debate
Subject: New good. Old bad. Baaaa!
Subject: His name is whot?
Subject: Lush Homepage updated
Subject: Re: class action lawsuits and whatnot...
Subject: Re: class action lawsuits and whatnot...
Subject: Re: Neapolis!!!!!!!!!
Subject: Re: class action lawsuits and whatnot...
Subject: Re: His name is whot?
Subject: Re: harold budd/hector zazou
Subject: PV
Subject: Re: what's the song...
Subject: eek
Subject: eek
Subject: Re: ESP Continent vs ESP Summer
Subject: hector zazou
Subject: zazou/budd
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:34:19 -0700
>Regarding Nearly God:
The CD is amazing, in case you haven't heard it. The songs are more similar
to each other than Maxinquaye (sp?). Anyway, the domestic (US) release date
is August 6 (as of a month ago). So, if u can wait, just buy it domestically.
Have not heard it, but am looking forward to it immensely, being a huge
Bjork(and Sugarcubes) fan. I've been waiting for this since I heard it
discussed on the B/Scubes mailing list last year some time. For those of you
who missed the connection, Bjork sings on one or more of the tracks, as do some
other artists I can't remember. Anyone out there want to fill us in (again)?
August 6 - the day after I get to see DCD live for the first time. Nearly God
will hopefully be a nice way to come down from the drugfree high I'm sure I'll
be on.
Jon
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:22:59 +-200
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Most definately - There is also a limited edition vinyl of remixes available on
SR fom the album Glymph...
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someone recently mentioned this. i think i saw the cd last week--red case and
long titles? i only have 'moon and the melodies' and 'lovely thunder'. am i
missing out?
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 03:43:58 -0700
I have an extra copy of the following item:
CAT. NO. SCHEER 1
RELEASE DATE: 1995
This is a free offer. All you pay is the postage, which is US$3.00,
payable to me in the form of a US money order. First come, first served
based on earliest received e mail postmark.
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:07:46 +0200
Me, me.....Please - let me know if I am lucky !!!!
Thanks a mil,
Jason
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:40:36 +0200
>Anyone out there that's been to the Dead Can Dance show please tell me what
>the overprices propaganda looks like
Yes, I can.
It's been mentioned on the list before but you can buy a 15 page
tour-program with a special cd in the back cover (one-track 7.35 min.
instrumental "Sambatiki') and a tour-poster with all the dates and a DCD
discography.
>Are the shirts nicely designed?
There are no shirts for sale. But you can buy the tour-program and go to
one of those t-shirt-color-copy-machines and make one yourself ;-)
Lisa Gerrards oversized-extra-extra-lagre-shirt is, like always, well designed.
Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, July 12, 1996
... [email protected]
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:56:23 +0200
...Vinyl Ink now have the 'Stars On ESP' vinyl. It's $ 18,75.
Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
+++++++++++++++++++
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:56:20 +0900
At 5:06 PM 96.7.11 +0200, Emiel Efdee wrote:
>Yeah, but... the Mail Order dept. doesn't sell a lot of T-Shirts and
>posters. Only the second v23 posterset (if it's still available) and some
>4AD/v23-logo-shirts, no recent items. If you're looking for
>tour-shirts/posters/books you should visit the concerts (if they're not
>cancelled).
I agree. I got Pail Saints' t-shirt from a lister (, for they don't come
here ;) )
---
$BK-@n!!2m:H (B
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:22:14 -0400
Can someone post the Email address for subscribing to Subbacultcha? The
4AD FAQ seems to have a line missing in their instructions.
Thanks,
Ken
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:01:25 +0100
(amongst other things):
>The only things real in life are your house and the food you put in your
>belly. The rest of this stuff is all smoke-and-mirrors and doesn't really
>exist.
This ain't the first time I've heard the poetic phrase "smoke and mirrors" used
on the list. Is it a quote from something, or just an expression? I'm intrigue
.
surprised that no-one's yet mentioned the (now historical) intra-band
relationship between a certain drummer and a certain single girl...
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:04:56 +0100
I observed:
>>I'm rather surprised that no-one's yet mentioned the (now historical)
>>intra-band relationship between a certain drummer and a certain single
>>girl...
McHale, Jack (Richmond) responded:
>Oops of course, Siouxsie and Birdy!
And I reply:
(Budgie) Well that wasn't what I was refering to, but that's another one, too...
Was this just a joke, or did you really not realise the identities of the person
to whom (wow! grammar!) I was referring?
Re-read the above paragraph, first and last lines in particular...
Thanks for the info on smoke and mirrors....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------
"But... but... everybody'll think I'm just an ordinary person!"
"That's the point."
"They won't look at me and say - Who's that guy? He's gorgeous!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:40:45 -0400
>----------
>
> (amongst other things):
>
>>The only things real in life are your house and the food you put in your
>>belly. The rest of this stuff is all smoke-and-mirrors and doesn't really
>>exist.
I think smoke and mirrors is a pretty common idiom for describing
insubstantial things. It may be a particularly American idiom, hard to
say. It comes from stage magic - "How'd he get his assistant to
disappear?" "Nyahhh, it's all done with smoke and mirrors"
>This ain't the first time I've heard the poetic phrase "smoke and
>mirrors" used
>on the list. Is it a quote from something, or just an expression? I'm
>intrigued.
>
>I'm rather
>surprised that no-one's yet mentioned the (now historical) intra-band
>relationship between a certain drummer and a certain single girl...
Oops of course, Siouxsie and Birdy!
>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:05:42 -0400
If anyone has an extra 2 tix to see Dead Can Dance next week in NYC, please
let me know. I saw them in Washington last night and have an opportunity to
go north and see them again...if I can get hold of tix.
Please e-mail me privately.
Thanks!
CJ [email protected]
PS - program/CD was $20 - nice package...they were out of the posters, but
they said they'll have more by the time they get to New York.
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:03:41 -0700
I'm listening to Glyph now, and I think its a great collaboration. You
have Budd's ethereal piano, mixed with some zazou beats.
Alex
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:06:40 -0500
On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, Shane Clark wrote:
> and from 80's radio we got:
>
> dave stewart and annie lennox
> alannah curry and tom bailey
> (used to wish they were my parents)
> boy george and that mike guy
> wendy and lisa
>
> don't tell me i'm the only one whose tape collection has roots here.
the wonderful decade that also gave us:
the other two from new order
jimmy somerville and the other one from the communards
keep listening in,
mark
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:27:25 +0000
wow. the other night i had a dream with warren defever in it. for some
reason warren was living in milwaukee instead of livonia, and i met him
there in some airport. his friend davin was there too (strange considering
i have no idea what the guy looks like). anyway, we walked around
wonderful milwaukee for hours, then we came to this pyramid near a river,
which we then entered. his studio was in the pyramid (instead of his
basement). There, warren showed me these strange leather objects, the
purpose of which i could not figure out. then the dream ended.
i love dreams.
tony
has anyone else had dreams of this sort?
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:41:37 EDT
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:38:39 -0700
Stars Of The Lid is playing at No Life this Saturday the 13th
at 4pm. I have no idea what this band is like, but they're
on Kranky which seems to have a certain following here. I'll
be at a 3 year old's birthday party myself, so I won't see
you there.
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:04:32 -0500
On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Chris Limb wrote:
> 1: On Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:54:17 -0500 [email protected] wrote
> (amongst other things):
>
> >The only things real in life are your house and the food you put in your
> >belly. The rest of this stuff is all smoke-and-mirrors and doesn't really
> >exist.
>
> This ain't the first time I've heard the poetic phrase "smoke and mirrors" use
> on the list. Is it a quote from something, or just an expression? I'm intrig
ed.
it's a common, almost hackneyed expression for "illusion," as in the
types of props a trite magician would use to disquise his/her craft.
it's also the second best song on the last magnetic fields album, get
lost. any other fans out there?
as for the origin of the phrase--i should go downstairs and check the
oed, i'll write you if i find anything...
take care,
mark
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:14:26 -0400
On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Creig Jacobson wrote:
> If anyone has an extra 2 tix to see Dead Can Dance next week in NYC, please
> let me know. I saw them in Washington last night and have an opportunity to
> go north and see them again...if I can get hold of tix.
> Please e-mail me privately.
> Thanks!
> CJ [email protected]
>
> PS - program/CD was $20 - nice package...they were out of the posters, but
> they said they'll have more by the time they get to New York.
Yeah... me too - looking for 2 tix....
Thanks,
Craig
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:28:09 -0700
in addition to the upcoming album in august, the listings page in AP also
showed a CD single, i think called "Sideways", due out in July.
i'm very much looking forward to both.
--phil
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:20:38 -0400
>
>it's also the second best song on the last magnetic fields album, get
>lost. any other fans out there?
>
the magnetic fields are incredible live. i have seen them twice and opened
for them once. just amazing live. they really draw you in with the poppy
music and the deep lyrics. however, i also have get lost and was really
disappointed with the production and arrangement on the recording. they
should make a live recording, as that forum really does them more justice.
i'll probably still pick up their older stuff, but i'd see them live again
in a second. maybe i'll try to record a show of theirs in the future...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
scott anderson giant girlfriend
[email protected]
[email protected]
http://www.channel1.com/users/humgiant
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:47:38 -0400
The Ambient Extractions # 2 CD also contains a song by HNIA - "More
Majic Party"...in case anyone is interested.
TIM CONLON
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:41:53 GMT
Carol Coney to Marvin H:
I'm re-sending this message cause I didn't get a response from you...perhaps
my outgoing message didn't get sent properly via 4AD, and I don't have your
personal em-mail address:
You wrote:
>Sorry to cast a dissenting vote but "Livonia" is just a bunch of irritating
>musical meanderings. I think I paid someone to take this CD away from me.
I wrote:
Hey...I'm willing to help you out, as I am now in process of building my
HNIA collection. Why pay anybody? I'll take the rest of their CD's off your
hands AT NO CHARGE! (E-mail me personally & I'll send you my snail mail
address so you can mail them to me pronto...and thanks in advance!)
Carol Coney (new fan of HNIA...His Name is Amazing)
>
>
Marvin wrote:
>HNIA...HIS NAME IS ANNOYING (...the hell out of me.)
>
>
>marvynHortman
>
>"i'm really leaving now, I swear."
>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:04:00 PDT
I am making an order with EAR/Rational and debating whether to include
Lovesliescrushing - Xuvetyn in that order. It though you folx would be the
best to get an opinion on it.
Any descriptions/opinions/comparisons would be greatly appreciated. (For
reference, I have Bloweyelash and quite like it; am also a big fan of My
Bloody Valentine, Seefeel, Main, etc.)
Please cc: or send all messages to [email protected] as I am not
currently sub'd to the 4AD-L. (Why I stopped receiving 4AD-L digests months
ago is still a mystery; I have not re-sub'd since simply because I don't
have the time really to read all the posts anyway.)
Many thanks!
+ +
+ +
+ + Thom S. Heileson _/_/_/
+ + _/_/_/
+ @@@@ -@@@@@@- oR _/_/_/
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+ @@ @@ @@@@@@@@@@@ [antiAxiomaticism Unlimited] _/_/_/_
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+ @@@@@ -@@@ @@@@@@@ _/_/_/_/
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:04:19 -0400
hector zazou also has a cd out called sahara blue w/lori carson, john cage,
gerard depardieu + more. the music is an interpretation of arthur rimbauds
poetry and is quite beautiful.
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:27:17 +0200
At 08:38 12-07-96 -0700, Brant wrote:
>Stars Of The Lid is playing at No Life this Saturday
>no idea what this band is like, but they're on Kranky
Huh?? A new band on Kranky maybe?
Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
+++++++++++++++++++
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:36:00 EST
Global spirits: Dead Can Dance make world music mystical
By Steve Morse, Globe Staff, 07/12/96
Attentive listeners have tried to define the music of Dead Can Dance for a long
ime. Is it a world
music group, since it has used Arabic chants, Algonquin Indian prayers, Indian r
gas, Celtic
bagpipes and Haitian rhythms? Is it a New Age group, since its ethereal vocals e
ho those of Enya?
Is it a progressive rock group, since elements from Led Zeppelin and George Harr
son have turned up
in its sound? Is it a classical group, since string orchestrations have played a
important role? Or
maybe a techno group, since the duo has used computer sampling?
All of the above, if you like.
There's no other act quite like Dead Can Dance, whose members have embarked upon
an "artisanship of
exploration of different musics, structures and colors," says singer Lisa Gerrar
. She's been with
workaholic partner and fellow global village adventurer Brendan Perry for seven
tudio albums. The
latest is the meditative *Spiritchaser,* which leads up to the duo's show at Har
orlights Pavilion
next Friday night.
"There's been a lot of sparks and creative electricity through the years," says
errard. "But I
think we've really arrived at a creative marriage where we speak with one tongue
It's a really
exciting time for us. Either it's the end, or it's the beginning of another genr
of the work."
The new *Spiritchaser* sounds like a beginning. It breaks fresh ground with hypn
tic weaves of
African percussion, overlaid with the unutterably beautiful voice of Gerrard, an
intellectual
Australian native who views her voice as representing "an abstract vocabulary th
t lies within the
collective unconscious."
"There's the practical, speaking voice, which I'm using to talk to you now. And
hen there's the
voice of the spirit," says Gerrard, who sings in several languages and sometimes
makes up her own
words to fit certain melodies and mood states, as on the new song "Devorzhum."
"I know that I'm at my most mature when I sing. And in some ways I feel that bec
use of the
dedication to the work, I have stayed a baby in other areas of my life," she say
.
So dedicated is the Dead Can Dance duo that they spent nine months crafting soni
textures for the
new disc, which was recorded at Quivvy Church in Ireland. "There's a Siamese-twi
sort of experience
that takes place through the work process," says Gerrard. "We were together seve
days a week,
working very closely on every nuance of the voice structures and the percussive
reas that Brendan
mostly came up with.
"Sometimes we can write a piece of music in half a day and it's finished. Other
imes we'll spend
two months on a piece of music, grinding and grinding until you literally dissol
e into bits and
rebuild yourself in front of this piece of work," she says.
And much of the work is purely intuitive. There's no master plan.
"When Brendan and I work together, we don't speak much. We sing a lot and play a
lot and do things
like that, but we don't really talk much. We usually only speak when we strike o
something. All of
a sudden Brendan will turn around and say, `Oh, that's good what you're doing th
re. Hang on to
that.' Or I'll say to Brendan, `Oh, I love that.' So we'll either put it into th
computer or we'll
explore it further. And we'll explore it until we no longer think it works or it
leads us into
something else.
"Or we may say, `I feel like I'm in a forest now. Can't you imagine this too?' A
d if we both agree,
then we'll pursue it.
"There are many ways of looking at the work. There are the practical things that
take place, that
I'd say Brendan has always been the stronger in. And there are the abstract prop
rties that exist
within the work that I've always been stronger in," says Gerrard, who also relea
ed her first solo
album last year.
She readily admits, though, that Perry is the more driven member of the duo in p
rsuing the ethnic
musics that have made Dead Can Dance so hard to characterize. "Brendan's been st
dying anthropology
and has been since I first met him," says Gerrard, who moved with Perry to Londo
in 1981. ``Prior
to this new record, he did a study of Haitian music and vodun [invocation] rhyth
s. And Outo is the
spirit that he's talking about. That's the spirit that comes around a percussion
st to make it
possible for him to communicate with the spirit world."
Occasionally, Dead Can Dance's unlimited explorations - and uncanny ability to i
ternalize music
from all over the globe - can lead to problems with the everyday physical world.
One minor problem
resulted from the new song "Indus," which had a short melodic pattern so similar
to George
Harrison's "Within You Without You" (from his Beatles days) that the group had t
give him partial
songwriting credit.
"We don't know whether we stole it or not. We probably did, but who the hell kno
s?" says Gerrard.
"It wasn't deliberate, because we didn't remember the record. I'm really unfamil
ar with the
Beatles' work, I have to confess. Brendan knows a bit more about it. ... But the
next minute,
musicologists are saying, `Oh, the first six notes are the same.' So we had to c
ntact George
Harrison, who didn't give a damn, frankly. He was gardening at the time. He said
`Oh, I like that
piece of music. It's OK.' But the [record company] pushed it. So we had to give
credit to
Harrison on the thing, which seems really bizarre."
This story ran on page 59 of the Boston Globe on 07/12/96.
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:39:18 -0400
ok;
for those of u in need of a tix, when i bought mine (about 3-4 weeks ago),
the guy at the box office told me to keep on calling them to find
out about a second date.
u see, i got shitty seats, and i really wanted front row center, so the guy
said that if the show was sold out at least two weeks before the
date, and if there was a high demand for tix, another date *might*
be added.
so, keep on calling the city centre and see if u can get another 250-750
people to do the same. :) oh, make sure those people buy tix
too! u wouldn't want them to add another date, but cancel because
only a small group of people bought tix. :)
J.H.R.
ps; hey, i know it is far fetched, but u know never know...*wink*
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:04:00 PDT
Ditto for:
Labradford - A Stable Reference kranky
$12.50
Labradford - Prazision kranky
$12.50
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Date: Friday, July 12, 1996 7:54AM
I am making an order with EAR/Rational and debating whether to include
Lovesliescrushing - Xuvetyn in that order. It though you folx would be the
best to get an opinion on it.
Any descriptions/opinions/comparisons would be greatly appreciated. (For
reference, I have Bloweyelash and quite like it; am also a big fan of My
Bloody Valentine, Seefeel, Main, etc.)
Please cc: or send all messages to [email protected] as I am not
currently sub'd to the 4AD-L. (Why I stopped receiving 4AD-L digests months
ago is still a mystery; I have not re-sub'd since simply because I don't
have the time really to read all the posts anyway.)
Many thanks!
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:47:32 -0500
> wow. the other night i had a dream with warren defever in it.
Wow, the other night I dreamed that I recieved 2 message in a row from 4AD-L
that had nothing to do with Warren Defever...
Marvyn knows where the cAPs LOc is located
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:12:41 -0700
>> wow. the other night i had a dream with warren defever in it.
> Wow, the other night I dreamed that I recieved 2 message in a row from 4AD-L
> that had nothing to do with Warren Defever...
Well, last night I dreamed I had to take a test
in a Dairy Queen on another planet.
Let X = X
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:49:36 -0400
Are you kidding? The 80's rule! (yes, I bought the 5 cd collection.)
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:32:44 -0400
Hey...
When I called yesterday and was told that they were sold out, I
was told that they had 20 tix left Wednesday when the guy left. Well, he
also told me that I should keep calling to see if Tix were released from
some people (does it really make a difference who) today (friday). Well, I
have been calling about every 40 minutes (I don't really want the person
on the other end recognizing my voice) and so far, nothing. Since the tix
sold out one week prior to the show, who knows... I'll keep my hopes up
(otherwise it wasn't meant to be this time around).
Good luck people...
Craig
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:41:54 -0700
I've heard a song now twice on KCRW that I kinda like.
For all I know it may be a new HNIA song since I don't even
have the EP yet (for shame!). It's got all these jumbled
Beach Boys references and even something from Kraftwerk's
_Autobahn_. Guy/girl vocals, a bit ethereal. Anyone got
a clue what it is?
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
ps. If anyone wants to see what I do when I'm not posting
messages to 4AD-L or running the world's smallest record label,
check out my article which just came out in the Astrophysical
Journal Letters, July 10 issue, page L87.
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:05:32 EDT
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:45:30 -0500
Frank Brinkhuis wrote:
> >Stars Of The Lid is playing at No Life this Saturday
> >no idea what this band is like, but they're on Kranky
>
> Huh?? A new band on Kranky maybe?
Yep, they're a new signing. They've had two albums out on the
Sedimental label outta Austin ('Music for Nitrous Oxide' CD and a brand
new vinyl-only release whose title escapes my mind... hey, Thad, I don't
suppose you remember?), and now they're working on a double lp for
Kranky.
Very minimal, droney, ambient, y'know, the usual. Quite good
nonetheless. I think their main guy Adam worked on the recent Bedhead
record, but then you gotta figure that things are pretty incestuous here
in Texas.... ;)
Cheers,
hk
--
[email protected] [email protected] http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
"ciggy, ciggy, puff, puff, puff and wheeze...." -- the monochrome set
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:33:35 -0400
this idea actually has a decent shot. we got a second date added in
montreal a few weeks back. i don't know the details behind how this
happened but it was definitely due in part to continued demand after the
first show sold out quickly.
i have questionable balcony seats for the first show but 8th row for the
second so it's worth making those phone calls to the box office.
>
> for those of u in need of a tix, when i bought mine (about 3-4 weeks ago),
> the guy at the box office told me to keep on calling them to find
> out about a second date.
> u see, i got shitty seats, and i really wanted front row center, so the guy
> said that if the show was sold out at least two weeks before the
> date, and if there was a high demand for tix, another date *might*
> be added.
> so, keep on calling the city centre and see if u can get another 250-750
> people to do the same. :) oh, make sure those people buy tix
> too! u wouldn't want them to add another date, but cancel because
> only a small group of people bought tix. :)
>
> J.H.R.
>
> ps; hey, i know it is far fetched, but u know never know...*wink*
>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:12:16 -0700
Is it true that ESP Continent "Mars Is A Ten" CD has the exact same track
list as the ESP Summer tape?
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:46:27 -0400
Saw DCD last night in Washington, at the Warner Theater.
And... There are no words...
I'm sure agree with me when I say that you should do everthing
you can to get into this show. Lisa Gerrard and Brendan Perry
are gods.
--
John Porter
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 22:32:25 PDT
marvyn wrote:
>No one is twisting your arm. It's just music, anyway. It's not tangible.
You're just a consumer--plain and simple. You're buying into a philosophy
to
spend. You think "Pop-tarts" are good for you? Do we really need cable
television? Consume...consume...
I don't know about cable television but are you really suggesting that
music is a luxury? to me it's every bit as important as food and water.
sure it's terrible that big industry tycoons are making us pay more than we
think we should but let's face it, if they raised the price of cd's to $30
tomorrow we would still buy as many as we can afford. I know I would.
are "pop tarts" good for you? following the charts is a hobby. it serves
the same needs as stamp collecting and bird watching. but serious music
is an addiction that nothing can replace. they have us in their pockets.
-naor-
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:15:26 +0200
Simon Hughes
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:42:54 -0500
the mystery parade wrote:
> Is it true that ESP Continent "Mars Is A Ten" CD has the exact same track
> list as the ESP Summer tape?
To the best of my knowledge, yes.
Cheers,
hk
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"ciggy, ciggy, puff, puff, puff and wheeze...." -- the monochrome set
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:49:21 PDT
carol coney writes:
>I guess this is where you're getting back to the great CT debate. I say, so
>what? If the artist is happy with an adopted style, a style she/he has
>honed over the years, who are we to demand an "increase in power and
>complexity"?
this is exactly the problem I was thinking about. we do demand "increase
in power and complexity" and we do want "ground breaking stuff". these look
like very natural expectations to us. but they are not. 200 years ago
people didn't want "ground breaking stuff". they *wanted* the same old
thing over and over again. they loved they opera they saw today and didn't
care at all that it sounded very much like the one they saw last week.
it may seem horrible to us now, but their way made more sense. I'm not
saying we should stop looking for the "new and exciting". I'm just curious,
why does it have to be new to be exciting.
>I would forward this to one of my best friends who is a cellist with a
>renowned symphony orchestra, who also writes music for film...but I don't
>think he would bother to engage in this discussion. I don't write
>music...I've just been a DJ and am a major music lover and a filmmaker.
>If no musicians respond to your query, I'll forward this to some
>alternative musicians I know who are NOT on this here listy...I for one
>would love to read various musicians' comments.
if the process of creation was really something that could be explained
over the internet, I would be one happy dude. I doubt it but it can still
be interesting to read from musicians.
-naor-
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:17:03 +0200
I've been thinking some about that interesting question that was
raised a few days ago -- why is change good? As has been pointed out,
in Olden Days that wasn't true.
Because it really is true. Well, at least for me. I might find an
album by a band to be total heaven -- a work of pure genious. Then
the next album comes out and sounds just like the first one, and I'll
regard the second album as some sort of abhorrant monster. (Well.
You know.)
It might have something to do with growing familiar with a piece --
loving it, knowing it backwards and forwards, being totally intimate
with it -- and then a (virtual) copy of it comes along, and it all
feels very *wrong*. Like an impostor. Like theft or plagiarism.
On the other hand, perhaps I just crave new things. I'm reminded of a
Laurie Anderson thing -- she's holding a press conference in Israel.
The journalist asks her: "Why is _new_ good?". "Well, because it's
interesting." "Why is _interesting_ good?" "Well, uhm, because it's,
like, *interesting*."
New is more interesting than old. Many people don't feel that way,
obviously. They feel that new things are threatening or confusing or
something. Or perhaps they don't take note of their surroundings, so
they don't really know whether something is new or old? I have music
going every waking moment of my life, it seems, and I am passionate
about what I listen to. Which is quite perverse.
Well then, why don't (most) groups evolve? As was pointed out, groups
normally stay in a rut or make *very* abrupt changes. Very few groups
stick to their horses and try to go deeper into what they are doing.
Stereolab, Dead Can Dance, His Name Is Alive and Coil are four groups
that have evolved very naturally and are still doing their thaaang.
The common denominator here is that these groups are all serious about
what they do. They don't make music to be Pop Stars; they make music
because making music is important to them. Bands that are stuck in a
rut probably don't (really) care about making music. Does anybody
really believe that Cocteau Twins' hearts were into making "Milk &
Kisses"?
--
"Yes. The journey through the human heart
would have to wait until some other time."
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:15:44 -0400
> "Uh, who?"
>
Someone wisely noted their run-ins with stores while asking for the new
HNIA--
> "They broke up"
>
> "The band's name is 'Alive'? We don't have it."
>
> "You mean the band 'Live'. They don't have anything new."
>
> "It's in our warehouse. We should have it sometime next week. Maybe."
>
> "If we have anything it's called 'Mouth by Mouth'."
I enunciate o.k., at least to me I do (and I suppose that's what's 'good' ).
I step up to the counter Tuesday the 9th of July at an unnamed rekkid store
in Ohio and I say to the qualified attendant very courteously and
sssllloooowwly (not to be condescending, just very clear). "Hi. Do-you-have
the-new-HIS-Name-is-Alive?"
the boy hears me, I believe, because he's giving me a
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:20:01 -0700
I really can't believe I went and did this. I really should have
been working on my dissertation. In any case, I just spent the
day updating and spiffing up the Lush Homepage and Discography.
I updated the discography; it now contains all releases up to and
including "500" (plus promos, compilation appearances, etc.) I
spiffed up the "fancy" version of the discog with new in-lined
images, a linked table of contents, and a nicer look. I also added
various bits and pieces here and there. The home pages now features
several megabytes of anything and everything about the band.
If you are a lush fan, please check it out and tell me what I
screwed up, left out, etc. There are a lot of holes in the database.
OK, now back to that dissertation...
Reality
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 02:48:24 +0200
At 22:53 09/07/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Of course, I'm one of the few backwards people using Mosaic instead of
Netscape,
>so maybe that's my problem.
could you go back there, please? I have added a non framed option that
"old" browser should see... the problem is that I cannot test it because I
don't have any old browser anymore... :-)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 02:49:32 +0200
>than a CD. The record companies claim the high prices are due to the huge
>contracts the artists force them to sign, and their marketing costs...
artists that *force* rec companies?
incredible.
let's say that they are all marketing cost, and the cost to attach meanings
to some dull acts, and that the distribution is a mess.
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:56:54 -0700
At 06:15 PM 7/12/96 -0400, you wrote:
> [ rekkid store clerk's training ]
>"If a customer asks for anything besides the new Rage against the
>machine...just stall. a)The customer will take it upon
>her/himself to find it their damn selves OR b)They will assume that their
>music is entirely esoteric blaming their upbringing on the obscurity of their
>tastes, mutter something under their breath and quietly exit the door
>(**note** they are not violent just adamant about release dates, PAY NO
>ATTENTION!! They don't give you any credit anyway. Refer to them as
>cretins."
While researching Dead Can Dance tunes from their current tour, I learned
one was from the first "This Mortal Coil" album whom I'd never heard of. So
I go to Sam's in Vancouver BC and they've got about 3 different TMC. I
suspect the one I want is the one that has no track list or date on the
back. I grab it and walk up to a clerk and say "I think this is the first
This Mortal Coil album and I'd like to open it up and see if the track I
want is inside, I'm looking for a cut by Dead Can Dance." He takes one look
at it and says "yes that's the one with cuts by Brendan Perry and Lisa
Gerrard." I open it anyway in case this was an astral fluke. Sure enough he
was right. I was impressed to say the least.
randall g mailto:[email protected] http://www.telemark.net/~randallg
When You let me fall, grew my own wings, now I'm as tall as the sky
When You let me drown, grew gills and fins, now I'm as deep as the sea
When You let me die, my spirit's free, there's nothing challenging me
- James (a band from England, not my name)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:45:37 -0700
You wrote:
>
>I've heard a song now twice on KCRW that I kinda like.
>For all I know it may be a new HNIA song since I don't even
>have the EP yet (for shame!). It's got all these jumbled
>Beach Boys references and even something from Kraftwerk's
>_Autobahn_. Guy/girl vocals, a bit ethereal. Anyone got
>a clue what it is?
>
>| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
>| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
>| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
>| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
>
>ps. If anyone wants to see what I do when I'm not posting
>messages to 4AD-L or running the world's smallest record label,
>check out my article which just came out in the Astrophysical
>Journal Letters, July 10 issue, page L87.
>
maybe that was yum yum...i heard the beginning on radio here. that's
all i can come up with for now.
euthelene
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:45:38 -0700
Excuse me for a moment while I express my utter disbelief...
I just ran "getstats" on my machine's web-server statistics and
discovered that over the last 489 days, there have been 26,669
"hits" on the Lush Home Page. OK, so a good 10% of those are
probably me, but my conservative calculation is that roughly at
least 20,000 different people have browsed my Lush site. Egads.
I'm gobsmacked.
I've heard that this internet thing is really taking off, but this
is ridiculous!
Reality
P.S. ...and to think I can't even get a ticket to one of their shows
anymore! :-(
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:45:26 -0700
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 22:48:45 -0400
ESP Continent and ESP summer are very different. But they use the same
source material.
ESP Continent is pretty much the straightforward sessions of
callaboration between Ian Masters and Warren Defever. Its sorta in the
vein of Spoonfed Hybrid musically, sparse but interesting instrumentation
with a focus on Ian's voice and melody.
ESP Summer takes the same session material and
remixes/re-masters/defeverizes the songs ala Warren Defever. It takes a
few of the songs and adds alot of production texture and atmospheric/dub
effects.
ESP Summer is avail as a 10". ESP Continent is avail as a French import
on CD. ( I still have a couple copies if anybody's interested post me
privately)
joe