Subject: No HNIA :<(
Subject: Re: ***hnia***'s
Subject: Re: Tim Friese-Green (this listy) - my two cents
Subject: Re: Neapolis!!!!!!!!!
Subject: HNIA record release party w/Jenny Toomey
Subject: Re: Eternal.
Subject: His Name is Alive & misc.
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Subject: Re: Geurnica Stuff and outdated catalogues??
Subject: Cocteaus
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Subject: His Name is OVERTAKING 4AD-L
Subject: Re: shinkansen stuff
Subject: two short reviews (ok, so i lied)
Subject: DCD promo CD for sale
Subject: questions about belly
Subject: Her own bad self...
Subject: Re: non4ad - it's about the Cure tour...
Subject: Re: questions about belly
Subject: Re: questions about belly
Subject: Re: questions about belly
Subject: Re: questions about belly
Subject: Re: Eternal
Subject: Ooops...
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins / Dead Can Dance
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG
Subject: Calling Jay Senese!
Subject: Re: stamps
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG
Subject: Re: Her own bad self...
Subject: Re: questions about belly
Subject: FAQ & Digest mode & how to unsubscribe
Subject: Re: Tim Friese-Green (this listy) - my two cents
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins / Dead Can Dance
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Subject: expanding the cocteaus debate
Subject: voice from Tokyo
Subject: Re: questions about belly
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins / Dead Can Dance
Subject: Re: His Name is OVERTAKING 4AD-L
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: Listy questions
Subject: Tim Friese-Green
Subject: Ivo remixes outside of 4AD
Subject: where get 4AD t-shirtrs and posters?
Subject: Re: expanding the cocteaus debate
Subject: Re: Lush singles
Subject: Tim Friese-Green/Eternal
Subject: Re: Love Spirals Downwards
Subject: Re: expanding the cocteaus debate
Subject: ***hnia***'s
Subject: HNIA release party w/Jenny Toomey and the Whale
Subject: Chimera
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:07:32 -0700
I do understand the fact that I live in a VERY musically un-hip town,
but even the Camelot (yes, that's the best I have to choose from) is run
by one of my former students, so I usually can get "major-label" stuff
easily enough. I was really bummed when HNIA was not in today.
Typing this and listening to 'Electronic' instead of HNIA.
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:46:39 -0400
In a message dated 96-07-09 18:44:53 EDT, you write:
<< well,
i got staars on esp today, as soon as i could get my way to ann
arbor. 1st off, 15.99$???? what the hell?
>>
where the hell did you go?? Sckoolkids has it on sale (as they do with all
new releases) for $12.99.
~blu
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:14:24 +0200
>For all those who don't know Tim Friese-Green Produced
>Cathrene Wheel's "Ferment" and Lush's "Sweetness and Light" which are
>probably my most favorite. I just curious of what else he has done in
>the past.
Talk Talk and Thomas Dolby, to mention a few.
Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
+++++++++++++++++++
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:53:19 -0700
>please have time to go to http://www.wvonline.com/pacman/neapolis/
and browse around the site and tell us what we should change.
You might try adding something to read, maybe some cool graphics to look at,
uhhhh, any other ideas, anyone? I went here and the page was completely blank.
Of course, I'm one of the few backwards people using Mosaic instead of Netscape,
so maybe that's my problem.
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:55:11 -0400
Tonight was beyond belief........went down to Zoot's here in Detroit for
earlier this week was assumed just be a Jenny Toomey performance, but in
addition turned out to be the hisnameisalive record release party.
Unfortunately, Warren was the only one who could make it.... I didn't ask
about Karin or Trey or their whereabouts, but we did talk at length about
hnia and other side projects specifically.
But since I have only got 4 hours before I must be back at work...a lengthy
review must wait until tomorrow...let me just say for now that Jenny's
performance was brilliant...playing new songs, Liquorice tracks and such....
as I said...more to follow tomorrow..........................and look for one
hell of a tour~~
~blu
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:14:39 +0200
At 20:55 9-07-96 -0400, you wrote:
> Has any of you heard this ethereal-noise band?
> I know it was the group of Christian Saville from Slowdive, but
>only have a 7" single with 2 songs: Breathe/Sleep. But God i just
>LOVE those songs!!
>
> So is there anything else by Eternal?
I'm afraid not. Eternal was a one-off pre-Slowdive project. But if your copy
of the 7" is worn out, then buy the Sarah Records 'Glass Arcade' CD
compilation (SARAH 501). Both tracks are featured on it.
Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
+++++++++++++++++++
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:16:25 -0700
Got a promo for the new album at work yesterday, and rather than going
into a big long review, I'll just say this: it *doesn't* sound like Home
is in Your Head. It most definitely covers _new_ territory. As always,
the recording and mixing is fantastic.
New RHP comes out on the 23rd, new Yo La Tengo on the same day. Billboard
had an article about Throwing Muses, said there'd be a 2-disc set released
early '97 including 1) the 1st s/t album and Chains Changed and 2)
unreleased materials, including mid-80s demos. And Kristin is pregnant
with her 3rd baby...
Mike
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:39:23 -0400
In a message dated 96-07-09 08:56:09 EDT, you write:
<< does anyone care to comment on the hnia 'my canada' flexi from warped
reality?>>
yeah, why can't i find the darned thing...after trying two GOOD reputable
book stores and Tower AND Border's..... no one has ever heard of it...and I
know I've seen it somewhere before...... anyone in the Detroit area help?
<< I haven't sent in my money to susan yet, but would like to know where
they're
sitting with this one (hnia that is :)
wondering why there are no midnight _stars on esp_ madness sales in ohio,
jason
[email protected]
>>
quite a few midnight sales here around ann arbor for hnia and others~~
didn't go though, hoped I'd get mine directly from warren (who still has my
caps key) tonite at the show...and i figured right....(see following post)
~blu
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:00:00 EST
>What does That Dog sound like. Who are they....??
I saw of video of theirs a few months ago. I think the track was called
Kissing Christian (?). Not a bad song, good harmonies and violin (?)
solo. The band sounded a bit breedersish, definately
worth a listen if you are into that kind of stuff! I couldn't tell
you the name of the album, I haven't read or heard anything about it.
I hope this vague information is helpful.
Cameron.
Cameron Webb
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:23:47 +0100
Walked in this morning with a grin on my face, almost bumping into trees
and lampposts. I don't care if they haven't progressed since 1982, I
don't care if the new stuff is a cowardly retreat from the bold new
horizons of "Four Calendar Cafe", I don't care if Liz is still singing
Michael Jackson-type lyrics about finding your inner child to heal the
world (because you can't hear the lyrics, apart from "Alice", whose
chorus is "Alicealicealicealicealice"). I think the Cocteaus are making
better music now than they have since 1988 or so, and it makes me very
happy. "Circling Girl" and "Smile" are the denser (HOH) style of sound,
"Alice" and "Tranquil Eye" are gentler, calmer, "Victorialand"ish.
Also, the Spooky album "Found Sound" is very, very good - it's somewhere
in the middle of the techno road, the experimental bits aren't as way
out as Autechre and the lush melodic bits aren't as lush or melodic as
Orbital, but it is always interesting (albeit lacking in depth
sometimes). Fifteen songs in just over an hour, with plenty of variety
- from thumping beats to gentle semi-ambient tunes. The overall sound
is of metallic instruments - gongs, glockenspiels, etc. Plus the track
which uses samples of the Twins, of course (still can't make out what is
being sampled, but it sounds familiar). There's another tune with
sampled vocals which may or may not be Liz, but F/G/R are only credited
on "Hypo Allergenic".
--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 10/07/96
[email protected], http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Cocteau Twins
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:47:50 -0500
C.K. Coney wrote:
> So is the CD everyone's talking about "Stars on ESP" released under the HNIA
> name, or is it another, related project under another name? And do you all
> love it as much as all their other stuff?
'Stars on ESP' is an honest-to-goodness HNIA album, and it's probably their
most whimsically upbeat work thus far. Sorta reminds me of AM pop radio
filtered through the same ears and brain that gave us 'Livonia.' I know it's
not a good description by a longshot, but I'd put it tied with 'King of
Sweet' for close second right behind 'Livonia.'
Just my unsolicited $0.02, of course.
hk
--
[email protected] [email protected] http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
"ciggy, ciggy, puff, puff, puff and wheeze...." -- the monochrome set
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:19:36 -0500
> Thank you everyone who e-mailed me personally or posted to this list re: His
> Name Is Alive. Based on glowing, gushing ravings I bought Livonia today, and
> it is absolutely PHENOMENAL (excuse me for shouting...but I think I had a
> religious experience.)
Yeah, I had one too. But I think I traced it down to some bad oysters I had
earlier that same evening...
Sorry to cast a dissenting vote but "Livonia" is just a bunch of irritating
musical meanderings. I think I paid someone to take this CD away from me.
HNIA...HIS NAME IS ANNOYING (...the hell out of me.)
marvynHortman
"i'm really leaving now, I swear."
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:07:22 -0700
people were asking about shinkansen stuff, especially the trembling blue
stars lp. well, if you'll excuse the plug, then there are a couple of
(small, low quality) samples to be found on:
in the discography, at the bottom. (which needs the radcliffe session
added to it but i've been away for a while). shinkansen page in general
(again about a week out of date) is at:
personally i think it's wonderful (there are more impartial reviews at
the bottom of the page too). the live date the other night was a bit
strange, people go out to have a good time but it's all very
introspective and maudling and, well, you can't dance to it.
btw, went to see blueboy the other day and christian eternal / slowdive
was serving behind the bar...
andy
--
[email protected]
clive sinclair stole my childhood...
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:38:53 -0400
spoonfed hybrid: "hibernation shock" ep farrago records
what an appropriate way to answer the "have they released anything else?"
query. details on who to talk to and where to send the money follow this
extremely biased review...
i say extremely biased because as it is known, i simply love any piece of
music that ian has ever touched (unless you count that pail saint tape on
time stereo -- bleagh)...
here we go:
the artwork is similar to that of the "scary verlaine" b/w "the sun always
changes my mind" 7" released last year...it may just be a negative...for the
uninformed/unfortunate who don't have this gem, it's a handprint on
translucent paper (like the insides clearskin ep) -- blue for the cdep, brown
for the 7" artwork courtesy of nicholas devilliers, or something like that
(ask lorraine for info on his 'zine "sugarlift" -- it's fab) i'll dispense
with the run-ons and get into a proper review
1. "token she-van" (9:26) (ian and chris both have writing credits on this
one)
this is a remix of "heavens knot" (track 1 off of the guernica album) done by
warren defaver of hnia fame...it's almost clubby -- not noisy (that's NOISY,
fred) like i expected...it's not the best piece of techno i've ever heard,
but it's pretty passable...a bit on the longish side...ian sings the lyrics
to the song and his voice lilts in and out of the song occaisionally. my
only problem with this track is that it ends suddenly, as in, right in the
middle of a note. this truncation may have been some kind of accident, but
from the little i know of warren and ian's personalities, it was probably
deliberate...8/10
2. "the sun always changes my mind" (5:29) (ian)
this one is a spoonfed "classic." i'm really glad it made it on to cd as the
end of the song is one of the band's peaks. starts off slow with several
different synths -- very beautiful. ian's voice joins in...really clear and
right in the front (unlike a lot of his other works) not really much in the
way of drums, but there are some kind of dubby beats (which remind me a bit
of the synth record scratches in 'tiny planes') and cymbals that fade in and
out...shit, my description isn't really doing the song much justice...it's
really damn beautiful, and ends with ian's voice singing "i'm walking
away...i'm walking away...i'm walking away from my shadow...i'm walking
away...at the bottom of every song is a spoonful of sleep..." while an
electric piano, some kind of synth snoring (it really is cool -- i know it
sounds hokey, but it is) while some keyboards join in...the snoring fades out
as a weird saxophone plays about three notes at the end...i don't remember
the sax being on the 7" care to fill me in hk? anyway, this song makes the
ep well worth buying. 10/10
3. "make a fist" (2:35) (chris)
chris sings on this one, and it's in a similar style to "messrs. hyde" with
more of the piano you so love, e...the music to this one is sort of cheery,
but with fairly depressing lyrics, kind of that prozac kind of happy, i
guess..."in winter the nights are too long, the drugs are to strong...i'm no
use on my own...i need a nice girl and a happy home..." this song is almost
as wonderful as "the sun always changes my mind," but lacks the beautiful
"take me to another world" ending of the former, so it comes up a little
short of tsacmm...9.5/10
4. "the violence of violins" (3:36) (ian)
this one is another winner, on par with "make a fist" as far as quality
goes...ian sings again...this one is a "separation song..." "while you're
asleep...lost...can't eat..." (i think) the tune is really dark and haunting
(minor key, of course)...would go really well right along with "a pocketful
of dust" from the lp..."make me a child again, even if just for
tonight...sounds like someone shooting..." ok, i lied, it's better than
"make a fist," because it has a lot more drama to it...where chris seems to
go with a lot of sarcastic happiness, ian seems to capture more complex
emotions in his music...anyway, i'm getting philisophical and not describing
the song too well, so i'll shut up...it's really good...10/10
5. "scary verlaine" (8:45) (chris)
whereas the other songs on the ep have moments where i can't tell if it's a
real instrument or a synth (laugh all ya want), this song is definately
all-electronic...chris probably recorded this one while fucking around in a
studio or something...it's the other track on that french 7", and as far as i
can tell, it's the same version...the song is kind of cool and creates a
sensation not unlike flying (there are a lot of abrubt fade-ins and
fade-outs)...has kind of a slow beginning, but then kicks in with regular
beats around 2 mins in...oh, and it's an instrumental, which is a bit of a
dissappointment because ian and chris have such nifty voices...anyway, this
songs is pretty cool, but not stellar like tracks 2,3, and 4...for some
reason a lot of it sounds borrowed, but i don't know why...7/10
anyway, this ep is really good -- probably one of the best releases i've
heard this year (though it has been a pretty crappy year, so far) next to
maybe the hnia album (isn't that finally out in the states, now?) and mojave
(if that counts)...you can get it (if you live in the us) by sending a check
for $9 ppd to farrago records; po box 13148; houston, tx 77219). if you live
outside the us, or have any questions, send your queries to [email protected];
he's on the list, so if you lose that address, just e-mail the list and i'm
sure he'll be in touch (ask 'im about buddha on the moon, too!)
sugarplant - "cage of the sun" ep pop narcotic
first, a bit of an introduction...sugarplant are a japanese pop band (they
sing in english) along the lines of mazzy star/luna/mojave, though a bit less
lilting and beautiful. the only stuff i've heard by them is a 7" a friend
taped me and a lp borrowed from a local listie (hi, igor)...i won't go into
too much detail since they aren't as popular on the list as spoonfed
hybrid...overall, the ep is a decent piece of pop...chinatsu shoyama has the
kind of voice that people get obsessed with (kind of vulnerable and soft like
hope sandeval or harriet wheeler, though not quite as good...) the standout
track on this disc is (let the flames fly) a cover of "turn it on," by the
flaming lips, a song i always thought had potential, but that guy's voice
just ruins anything they try to do...of course it really just keeps the words
and the melody -- this version's really quite soft (and thus better, imo,
than the original). there's also a cover of a song called "n.i.t.a." by a
band called young marble giants (someone care to provide a short bio?) that's
ok...the best songs on the cd, though, are the title track, the lead track
(called purple bike) and "turn it on." i got mine for 7.25 from
parasol...btw, it's six tracks and 31 mins long...
well, this is actually quite long...i'll probably be back with more reviews
next week of orbital, shiFt, fuxa, scala (the cdep is out now!), and whatever
i pick up on my trip to minneapolis this weekend.
later,
BiZ
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:59:27 -0400
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Hi guys,
as a former member of this list, I thought I'd let you all knwo that I'm
selling some DCD and other thislisty stuff. The list is attached. If you
can't see attachments or need another copy, e-mail me and I'll send it
out ASAP :)
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:32:57 PDT
I heard Belly perform a song called 'sweet ride' on some compilation.
beautiful song, I have some questions.
1. the song sounded somewhat familiar. is it a cover?
2. where is it on their discography? a b-side maybe?
3. I liked the song so much that I went and bought the album 'king'.
it was a disappointment. is their other album significantly different
than king?
4. this is actually a Throwing Muses question but what the hell.
I have the first Throwing Muses lp and surprisingly, I don't like it
very much. it's kind of annoying. could be because the music is supposed
to be a little annoying, could be because it's so damn hot in here that
practically everything irritates me right now. the question is: is there
a Muses album that sounds different?
lot's of questions, I know, but this list is my main (only) source of info
about these bands. thanks.
-naor-
glaciers, ice baths, giant refrigerators, snow, lots of snow, brrr.
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:17:11 +0200
Today I bought the new/first/solo Kelley Deal 6000 cd...
"Go to the Sugar Altar" (11 tracks)
After one quick listening:
Great record! I love it!
More info on a funny official web site:
http://www.kelleydeal.com
Kelley made the graphics and icons herself!
Interesting note on the sleeve:
"Kelley Deal appears courtesy of her own bad self."
So what's the story behind that?
Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, July 10, 1996
... [email protected]
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:35:25 +0200
>Does any of you have the confirmated tour of Cure?
I saw them live on Dave's Late Show: they suck!
I've been to cure-concerts for about ten times in the last 15 years (oh my
god, fifteen years...) and I have never seen them play that bad, and the
new single/album is the worst record they have ever produced.
Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, July 10, 1996
... [email protected]
How bad can moods swing?
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:19:37 +0100
96 02:32:57 pm
naor Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:16:14 +0200
>1. the song ('sweet ride') sounded somewhat familiar. is it a cover?
Great indeed, no cover; written by Tanya Donelly
>2. where is it on their discography? a b-side maybe?
B side: from the 'Gepetto e.p.', also on the Gepetto e.p. (remix disc one)
with the same catalogue number (why did they do that?)
>3. is their other album significantly different than king?
Yes 'Star' is different and better, but the first 3 e.p.'s + b-sides are
even better.
>4. is there a Muses album that sounds different?
Try 'The Real Ramona' or 'Red Heaven', I think these are the best Throwing
Muses records. If you like the sound of Belly's 'Sweet Ride'; you should
also listen to Kristin Hersh solo stuff.
Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, July 10, 1996
... [email protected]
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:08:08 -0500
PS, Sharedcast is coming with me. I'll leave the other one here as well; but
it will be orphaned. Nobody up here knows (or cares) that it is here, and they
certainly don't know how to maintain it. So it will probably croak about 2
days after I leave...or someone will "disembody" my Mac and stick the optical
drive in the storeroom. :( No more "barney". :(
marvyn
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:06:12 -0500
Wow! Things are going well for you. (You should take a better job if those
other folks are weasling on you...trust me, it only took me 3 years to realize
this ;) )
Gina is doing great. She is coming with me. I'll tell her you said "hello".
BTW, the version we are using of AppleShare Client Windows is 1.0.2.
Take care, I'll give you my new email just as soon as I know it myself. :)
marvyn
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:53:51 EDT
<[email protected]>
Eternal was a band on Sarah records and they only had one single.
Fortunately, you can hear two of the songs on this single on Sarah's
comp "Glass Arcade" of which for some odd reason, plenty of copies abound.
This will also give you guys a chance to experience some wonderful other
stuff including a Fieldmice instrumental, a lovely orchids song, etc.
Matt
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:19:12 -0500
My mailer just freaked out and sent mail to 4AD-L instead of the person I
wanted it to go to. (i just got the return receipts and realized what
happened...)
Ignore those other messages! (if you read them, then I'll have to kill you.)
marvyn "joanna's got a free shot here" Hortman
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:43:09 EDT
<[email protected]>
Althought Liz and Robin may have been involved with one another,
at least they didn't live in different countries (As did the DCD people.)
Anyways, lots and lots of bands have singers that are romantically
involved. We should make a list. Let me start it.
1. CT (already observed)
2. DCD (already observed)
3. Rocketship (Dustin and Verna)
4. Holiday Flyer (oops they're brother and sister...scratch that one)
4. Ian and Sylvia (pop folk from the 60's)
5. Damon + Naomi (From Galaxy 500 and Magic Hour...Je ne sais pas en fait)
5. X (Again, I wouldn't know but perhaps)
5. The Fieldmice, Northern Picture Library (Robert and Anne-Marie, Anneliese,
(whatever her name was)
6. Peter and Amelia from Talulah Gosh/Heavenly
7. Rachel and Neil from Slowdive and Mojave III
I'm sure if we put on our thinking caps (and want to waste precious time)
we can think up some more.
Matt
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:53:36 -0400
Again please let me know the record store that you went to so I can give them
a mouthful.
thanks
rich
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:29:35 -0400
Jay Senese...
I need your e-mail address. I have a message for you from someone who is not
on line at the moment.
Thanks,
Roy
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:55:41 -0400
hello frank
got the stamps a few days ago
very nice..
thank you again
shar
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:49:09 -0400
HNIA was released on July 9, 1996 in the US. If you looked for it and could
not find it then their is a problem with that record store. We would like to
know that. We are still a very small company and it takes a lot of time to
contact everyone. If someone told you that it did not come out yet, they are
either lying ar they are just stupid.
It would be really helpful to me if you could tell me bad things so I can
correct them. There are hundreds of record stores, and there is 1 person at
4AD who calls retail part time. I am sorry that you were unable to get it
but it is available now.
rich
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:09:27 -0700
Emiel Efdee wrote:
>Interesting note on the sleeve:
>"Kelley Deal appears courtesy of her own bad self."
>So what's the story behind that?
I think it has to do with the fact that only Kim is officially signed
to 4AD with regards to The Breeders. By saying Kelley appears courtesy
of her own bad self, it may mean she is proudly non-4AD or something.
At any rate, it's yet another addition to albums Mr. Watts-Russell has
declined for his label. In Canada, Mercury/Polydor have licensed it!
Pretty cool stuff!
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:47:00 GMT
WHAT THE FUCK - leave those mushrooms alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: 10/07/96 16:35
PS, Sharedcast is coming with me. I'll leave the other one here as well; but
it will be orphaned. Nobody up here knows (or cares) that it is here, and they
certainly don't know how to maintain it. So it will probably croak about 2
days after I leave...or someone will "disembody" my Mac and stick the optical
drive in the storeroom. :( No more "barney". :(
marvyn
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:31:11 -0700
Time for another irregular announcement of the FAQ (that's list of
Frequently Asked Questions, newbies) of the 4AD-List. This is where you
learn how to unsubscribe and how to receive the daily digest, as well as
the answers to lots of musical questions that come up frequently, and a
big list of thislisty mail-order sources, mailing lists and Web sites.
Set your web browser to:
As always, I welcome corrections and suggestions of new Q's & A's. I
apologize that I haven't had time recently to add the latest new web
sites & such. I hope to find time soon.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:35:20 -0700
Frank Brinkhuis wrote re. Tim Friese-Green:
>Talk Talk and Thomas Dolby, to mention a few.
Yes, and since it's been at least three weeks since I plugged Talk Talk's
last album "Laughing Stock" in this august forum that means it must be
time to do so again. Sparse, echoey, jazzy, almost falling asleep in
spots but coming to with sudden bursts of noise. This is a very beautiful
and uncategorizable album that everyone should own -- especially anyone
who even slightly enjoyed Bark Psychosis' "Hex" or Slowdive's "Pygmalion"
(or the Catherine Wheel song "Ferment" on the album of the same name,
which has a very distinct Talk Talk sound to it.)
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:31:40 -0400
>>----------
>>Anyways, lots and lots of bands have singers that are romantically
>>involved. We should make a list. Let me start it.
>
>>1. CT (already observed)
>>2. DCD (already observed)
>>3. Rocketship (Dustin and Verna)
>>4. Holiday Flyer (oops they're brother and sister...scratch that one)
>>4. Ian and Sylvia (pop folk from the 60's)
>>5. Damon + Naomi (From Galaxy 500 and Magic Hour...Je ne sais pas en fait)
>>5. X (Again, I wouldn't know but perhaps)
>>5. The Fieldmice, Northern Picture Library (Robert and Anne-Marie,
>>Anneliese,
> > (whatever her name was)
>>6. Peter and Amelia from Talulah Gosh/Heavenly
>>7. Rachel and Neil from Slowdive and Mojave III
>
>>I'm sure if we put on our thinking caps (and want to waste precious time)
>>we can think up some more.
>
>>Matt
8. Mack and Laura from Superchunk (now split, romantically)
9. Thurston Moore and Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth
10. Patti Smith and one of her guitarists (until he od'ed).
11. Tina Weymouth and Chris Frantz of Talking Heads (married)
12. Lead singers from Sky Cries Mary (can't remember names, woman is
maybe Alissa?)
13. Richie and Elaine from Siddal
Actually, what makes the Cocteau's and DCD dynamic is that they're very
small bands (practically duets). Makes for a very unique chemistry.
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:12:28 -0700
Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:39:23 -0400
> << does anyone care to comment on the hnia 'my canada'
> flexi from warped reality?>>
>
> yeah, why can't i find the darned thing...after trying
> two GOOD reputable book stores and Tower AND
> Border's..... no one has ever heard of it...and I know
> I've seen it somewhere before...... anyone in the
> Detroit area help?
Um, why not just get it directly from them? After all Andrea Feldman is on THIS
list and has posted the address. Here it is again. (i only have this on hand
because i'm about to send in my $'s too)
-cz
$4, send checks or concealed cash to:
Andrea Feldman
Warped Reality
PO Box 2515
Providence, RI 02906
else you want to email us about.
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:06:25 PDT
the on-going debate about the Cocteau Twins, changing or stagnant, seems
to take for granted the assumption that change is not only a good thing,
but also a requirement for an artist. either the involved parties know
something that I don't, or they are ignoring a basic yet complex question in
the criticism of art.
it seems things have changed greatly since the classicist era when the
only measure of an artist,any artist, was how close did he/she get with
his/her imitation of the classic 'masterpiece'. the masterpiece was a
single piece, written many years earlier which was considered by all
(all - as in *everybody*) to be the perfect model of the genre.
not only that originality was not required, it was actually unwanted.
nowadays, originality is the main quality most of us look for in an
artist, and in some cases it maybe the only quality that artist poses.
alternative music, which is the kind of music we like here, is by definition
meant to be "different".
this creates a problem. why is originality so important. I mean, surely,
if an artist ( a musician in this case ) makes a great album, then
logically,
if the album he ( or someone else) makes the next year sounds much the same,
it must also be great. right? wrong. why? I admit, I don't have the
answer for that yet. anyone?
I apologise if this is a bit heavy. if the general public thinks so, please
there is no need to flame. just don't reply and I will get the massage.
-naor-
the night crawler.
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 05:20:23 +0900
My name is Rikihito Watanabe. I started a music unit called " Lemmy
Caution ", last year. I intend to create the world of a fantastic sound
depending on a $B!! (Bunique interpretation. Please teach your address, as w
n
ting to listen to a tape, by all means.
--------------------------------------------------------------
e-mail : [email protected]
URL : http://www2.meshnet.or.jp/~lemmy_c/
Address : Chofugaoka 3-20-6, Cyoufu-si, Tokyo, Japan
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:10:38 -0400
album 'Star' is very different from 'King'. Its much poppier and much
'hooky-er' and much more up-tempo.
Though I know there are some on the list who pan Belly as bubblegum
trash, Tanya does have a way with a Hook (i've heard she's got one in
her head)... I think Belly are well worth having
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:00:59 -0500
On Wed, 10 Jul 1996 [email protected] wrote:
> Althought Liz and Robin may have been involved with one another,
> at least they didn't live in different countries (As did the DCD people.)
>
> Anyways, lots and lots of bands have singers that are romantically
> involved. We should make a list. Let me start it.
>
11. stereolab (tim and laetetia)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:01:47 GMT
At 04:19 7/10/96 +0000, you wrote:
>> Thank you everyone who e-mailed me personally or posted to this list re: His
>> Name Is Alive. Based on glowing, gushing ravings I bought Livonia today, and
>> it is absolutely PHENOMENAL (excuse me for shouting...but I think I had a
>> religious experience.)
>
>Yeah, I had one too. But I think I traced it down to some bad oysters I had
>earlier that same evening...
>
>Sorry to cast a dissenting vote but "Livonia" is just a bunch of irritating
>musical meanderings. I think I paid someone to take this CD away from me.
Hey...I'm willing to help you out, as I am now in process of building my
HNIA collection. Why pay anybody? I'll take the rest of their CD's off your
hands AT NO CHARGE! (E-mail me personally & I'll send you my snail mail
address so you can mail them to me pronto...and thanks in advance!)
Carol Coney
>
>
>HNIA...HIS NAME IS ANNOYING (...the hell out of me.)
>
>
>marvynHortman
>
>"i'm really leaving now, I swear."
>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:46:05 GMT
At 12:05 7/9/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Umm, hope nobody minds me carrying this on. I do think Lars is raising
>some interesting points and we don't seem to be at each others throats
>(yet?! :-). Anyways , Lars wrote:
>
>>Or, rather,
>>CT were flailing around for a "sound" and made Garlands and HOH before
>>finding something they were comfortable with in Treasure, and have
>>stuck to that sound/music/method ever since.
>
>Perhaps, but I don't suppose Robin Guthrie would agree with you. I always
>get the impression that "abortion" Treasure is his least liked CTs album
>which would suggest he wanted to ditch that sound. But, on the other hand,
>I've never had much time for Guthrie's opinions. I suspect they're too
>loaded with perspectives drawn from his personal life. For example, saying
>that DCD are "sad and pretentious". He may be right but really, people who
>live in glass houses shouldn't take their trousers off. It couldn't be
>intra-label jealousies rising to the surface, could it?
>
>Simon Hughes
I think it was probably less intra-label jealousy and more like rebellious
youth (Robin included) saying whatever the heck they wanted to say (to the
press, to whomever) during the punk era, regardless of who might be offended.
Robin has said things seemingly right off the top of his head that maybe
were hurtful of some folks (like the DCD comment)...but hey, give him the
benefit of the doubt & chock it up to his age at the time and his punk
attitude back then. Heck, he'd fit right in on THIS list if he got involved
in the "e" flame war!
Carol Coney
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:44:53 EDT
I'm writing the group to beg the answers to a couple of thislisty questions:
1) What is the 11th track on the US version of the Scheer album? Is it an
acoustic of another track? A b-side?
2) Can anyone give me the track listings on Lush's last 2 singles?
Thank you!
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:20:08 +1200
> For all those who don't know Tim Friese-Green Produced
>Cathrene Wheel's "Ferment" and Lush's "Sweetness and Light" which are
>probably my most favorite. I just curious of what else he has done in
>the past.
Lots of early Catherine Wheel (at least until Gil Norton took over for Chrome?)
+ most if not all Talk Talk. I think he played on many Talk Talk releases too.
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:12:35 +0200
>>Does anyone hold a list of Ivo remixes made outside of 4ad ?
Ivo and John Fryer have remixed Cranes _Cloudless (tha=EFs mix) on
_forever remixed_
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:28:12 +0000
i asked this question about two months ago.. but somehow my mail
filtering was messed up and i never got an answer.. so i ask this
question again..
where can i get 4AD t-shirts and posteres?
thanks
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:55:10 -0700
naor writes:
>this creates a problem. why is originality so important. I mean, surely,
>if an artist ( a musician in this case ) makes a great album, then
>logically,
>if the album he ( or someone else) makes the next year sounds much the same,
>it must also be great. right? wrong. why? I admit, I don't have the
>answer for that yet. anyone?
I've thought about this too, and you're definitely correct that the
attitude has changed completely in the past, oh, century or so. (The
"tortured artist" ideal, where the artist is supposed to be alienated
from society and to produce works that challenge and even shock, is
another new invention, which I think dates from the Romantic period, i.e.
mid-19th century.)
Sounds changed only very slowly in classical music, mostly as new
instruments were developed or new harmonic/tonal ideas appeared. J S Bach
could spend his whole life working with only a few distinct sounds, all
of which were also being used by most of his contemporaries.
Similarly, most folk music styles are very rigid, with artists in a
tradition playing the same instruments in the same ways and using
particular melodic/harmonic/lyrical frameworks. This includes
contemporary folk styles like blues and bluegrass, with some exceptions
(such as Cap'n Beefheart...)
I think it may be that in the pop/rock/whatever tradition artists have
forgotten how to build on an existing style and increase its power and
complexity, at least when it's their own style they're looking at.
(Plenty of artists have copied the style of a preceding artist and
extended it.) The only two options they can hit on seem to be to rehash
the style in an uninteresting way, or to move into a new style.
One possibility is that there are simply too many different sounds and
styles available. An artist wanting to move forward will grab a new
instrument or new effects or the style of another band, rather than
keeping to his/her original style and improving it. So the only artists
who stick with the same style for a long time are those who've run out of
the desire to move forward, which means they end up in a rut.
I realize this hasn't answered anything, but I think I've added some more
ideas to the discussion. Does anyone who actually writes music want to
add their ideas?
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:49:25 -0400
About the Lush singles :
Ladykillers #1:
Ladykillers
Matador
Ex
Dear Me (miki's 8 track home demo)
Ladykillers #2:
Ladykillers
Heavenly
Carmen
Plums & Oranges
So when's this "500" single(s) coming out then?
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:28:51 -0400
Brian wrote:
>For all those who don't know Tim Friese-Green Produced
>Cathrene Wheel's "Ferment" and Lush's "Sweetness and Light" which are
>probably my most favorite. I just curious of what else he has done in
>the past.
He's done some work with Talk Talk and also produced the second House of
Love album (the one with the butterfly on the sleeve, a.k.a. _Fontana_).
Wilder wrote:
>Has any of you heard this ethereal-noise band?
> I know it was the group of Christian Saville from Slowdive, but
>only have a 7" single with 2 songs: Breathe/Sleep. But God i just
>LOVE those songs!!
>
> So is there anything else by Eternal?
No. They recorded another single but their label, Sarah, decided it was crap
and didn't release it. Then Christian joined Slowdive and that was the end
of that. If you're interested but don't want to go to the trouble of
tracking down the 7", both tracks are included on the Sarah compilation _The
Glass Arcade_.
And they're not to be confused with the all-girl singing group of the same name.
Larry
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:37:36 -0700
i don't recall anyone posting this a few weeks back, but...
2-3 weeks ago, whenever the Projekt Across This Grey Land festival was,
Love Spirals Downwards played the first nite. They were quite good.
Obviously not as produced with all the effects as on the albums, but her
voice came across very strong and clear. Damn good live sound. Very
friendly onstage. In their "encore" they played Mojave's Mercy, which
was way cool. hopefully if projekt releases a live cd from the concert
they'll include that...
The second nite, a new projekt band, Arcanta, played. They have the
potential to be cool, although they sounded too much like a DCD/4AD rip
off. Their first song was very DCD sounding, with tablas and backing
female singer. Then they did an a capella song which i think was very
very similar to the Lisa chant song on the toward the within video (near
the end, which isn't on the cd). then the singer did a version of Song
of the Siren. wish they'd find their own stuff, and not cover 4AD
covers.. but they could be good, and i'm sure if you like DCD you'll
like the album when it comes out later sometime this year.
--
jeremy redman "peace in a world free from religion,
[email protected] peace in a world where everyone gets heaven."
- Toni Halliday
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:49:41 -0500
On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:
> naor writes:
> >this creates a problem. why is originality so important. I mean, surely,
> >if an artist ( a musician in this case ) makes a great album, then
> >logically,
> >if the album he ( or someone else) makes the next year sounds much the same,
> >it must also be great. right? wrong. why? I admit, I don't have the
> >answer for that yet. anyone?
>
> I've thought about this too, and you're definitely correct that the
> attitude has changed completely in the past, oh, century or so. (The
> "tortured artist" ideal, where the artist is supposed to be alienated
> from society and to produce works that challenge and even shock, is
> another new invention, which I think dates from the Romantic period, i.e.
> mid-19th century.)
>
> Sounds changed only very slowly in classical music, mostly as new
> instruments were developed or new harmonic/tonal ideas appeared. J S Bach
> could spend his whole life working with only a few distinct sounds, all
> of which were also being used by most of his contemporaries.
>
> Similarly, most folk music styles are very rigid, with artists in a
> tradition playing the same instruments in the same ways and using
> particular melodic/harmonic/lyrical frameworks. This includes
> contemporary folk styles like blues and bluegrass, with some exceptions
> (such as Cap'n Beefheart...)
>
> I think it may be that in the pop/rock/whatever tradition artists have
> forgotten how to build on an existing style and increase its power and
> complexity, at least when it's their own style they're looking at.
> (Plenty of artists have copied the style of a preceding artist and
> extended it.) The only two options they can hit on seem to be to rehash
> the style in an uninteresting way, or to move into a new style.
>
> One possibility is that there are simply too many different sounds and
one crucial issue in this comparison of musical styles is sociocultural.
classsical composers such as bach didn't have a legion of fans whose
lives depended in large part upon his next opus. he didn't have a bach-l
waiting to debate his lastest cantata or ep. in fact, bach didn't even
publish his music during his lifetime, he was a church composer, and his
music was largely functional (at least that's how his audience and
employers saw it; bach himself might have had a slightly higher
attitude).
like it or not, pop musicians are operating in an economy unlike any
classical or serious music composer until at least the 1940s, when
recordings of classical works made limited celebrities out of musician
and conductors (but very rarely of composers). this is not to say that
the market for 18th, 19th, and 20th century serious musics did not have
expectations; it did, and usually very conservative ones. efforts to
break from tradition (exp. stravinsky, 12-tone serialism, debussy) were
met with confusion and derision. the difference is that this market was
not commercial; it was usually fueled by patronages.
my point is simply that musical innovation cannot be taken out of its
sociocultural context.
> styles available. An artist wanting to move forward will grab a new
> instrument or new effects or the style of another band, rather than
> keeping to his/her original style and improving it. So the only artists
> who stick with the same style for a long time are those who've run out of
> the desire to move forward, which means they end up in a rut.
and of course the notion of "moving forward" is also culturally marked.
i would like to suggest that one way of moving forward is not through
adopting a new sound (which in a technological sense has probably become
easier than ever) but through challenging the musical hegemony in a new
way. an example of this is terry riley's "in c." it is written for
conventional instruments, and the music itself is as basic as western
music can get: simple scales and variations in the key of c, no harmony.
what makes this piece entirely new is its performance technique: the
number and type of instrument is not specified, and each player works
his/her way thru 52 short melodic fragments independently, listening to
the other players while finding their own pattern of repitition and
movement. the piece is over when everyone has played all 52 fragments.
this sense of indeterminancy was truly new in a western work at that
time,as was the challenge to the notion of a "definitive" performance.
another challenge (and one more pertinent here) is the notion of singing
songs whose words are consistently unintelligible. this seems to have
been largely a creation of mid80s pop music: early rem, most cocteau
twins. this allowed (forced) a new interpretation of what a "song" is:
not a conventional narrative whose impact is based on a catchy tune and
verbal decoding, but a moment in time predicated upon the emotional
impact of the intonation patterns of a human voice (ct, dcd) or a puzzle
whose pieces (at least the ones you can find) are smudged, crumpled (rem).
well, again, another large post that hasn't anwered anything; that
doesn't bother me if it doesn't bother you.
mark
>
> I realize this hasn't answered anything, but I think I've added some more
> ideas to the discussion. Does anyone who actually writes music want to
> add their ideas?
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 23:01:49 -0400
well,
i got staars on esp today, as soon as i could get my way to ann
arbor. 1st off, 15.99$???? what the hell?<<<
saw this in the newspaper today, thought maybe someone on the list could
provide a little more info (like what states it covers, etc.) sorry if
someone has brought this up already, i'm on the digest, and i haven't seen
anything here about it...
Top Six CD Makers in Price-Fixing Suit
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (AP) --
The nation's six largest makers of compact discs have been accused of fixing
CD prices in a lawsuit that could result in payments to millions of buyers.
Lawyers for two CD buyers sued on Monday and won immediate class-action
status, which means OTHER CD CONSUMERS CAN JOIN. The suit does not specify
how much it is seeking but limits each individual claim to $5,000.
CDs sell for maybe $12 to $15. The suit alleges the companies propped up
retail prices even though refinements in manufacturing and other improvements
have cut the cost of making a CD from $3 in 1983 to less than $1 now.
The lawsuit was filed on behalf of anyone who bought CDs from any of the six
companies after June 26, 1992.
The companies are EMI Music Distribution; Sony Music Entertainment; Warner
Elektra Atlantic Corp.; UNI Distribution Corp., a unit of MCA Music
Entertainment Group; Bertelsmann Music Group; and Polygram Group
Distributors.
"We believe that suit is wholly without merit, and beyond that we do not
comment on matters involving litigation," said Dennis Petroskey, a spokesman
for Bertelsmann.
Although people don't buy CDs directly from the manufacturers, the suit
argues the manufacturers strong-armed stores into keeping prices high.
It contends the manufacturers kept stores in line by suspending some
advertising assistance or cutting them off if they sold the CDs below certain
minimum prices.
The lawsuit was filed in Blount County Circuit Court on behalf of CD buyers
Chris Robinson and George Silvey. It has been certified as a class action in
14 states (anyone know which ones?) and the District of Colombia.
The six manufacturers control more than 85 percent of the $9.4 billion-a-year
U.S. compact disc industry, the lawsuit said.
i will try to gather more info on the lawsuit in the coming days and will
(unless people are not interested) post it to the list.
later,
BiZ