4ad-l Mail for 07-09-1996

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Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan Discography
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 00:52:23 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: AP/Remixes/etc. (was Lollapalooza ...)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 02:20:17 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: AP/Remixes/etc. (was Lollapalooza ...)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 05:02:21 -0400
From: jose@WESTVIRGINIA.COM
Subject: I take the day off...
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:05:55 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins / Dead Can Dance
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:31:29 +0300
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: Re: Ivo' s Remixes outside 4ad?
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:25:54 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Test
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:59:32 +-200
From: Jason Curtis (curtisj@ICL.CO.ZA)
Subject: Re: Velour 100 review
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 07:50:02 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:19:09 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: check it out!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:20:47 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: DCD in Texas
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:09:01 -0400
From: Baron Lane (EyeRate@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: I take the day off...
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:10:36 -0400
From: Baron Lane (EyeRate@AOL.COM)
Subject: Nuvo
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:10:24 -0400
From: Baron Lane (EyeRate@AOL.COM)
Subject: Fax sale -- what to buy?
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:30:03 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Velour 100 review
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:23:15 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: check it out!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:29:50 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: Nuvo/ACHTUNG! only semi topical
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:05:49 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:21:09 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: to UK CT fans
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 15:14:07 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: What the hell is wrong with those 4AD artists?
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:54:28 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:57:35 +0930
From: Tim Koch (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Nuvo
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:46:20 -0400
From: Craig Gordon (cgordon1@magic.hofstra.edu)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:57:36 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:07:20 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: an incident involving Shelleyan
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:04:56 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:09:39 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: New Show: LOVE SPIRALS DOWNWARD at Big Heart City
Date: 1996/06/28
From: solopro@aol.com (SOLOPRO)
Subject: A few things to sell
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 04:37:38 GMT
From: Burt Reynolds (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: Shelleyan Orphan vs VU
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:32:21 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Cinepoly address/phone
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:19:19 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: an incident involving Shelleyan
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:45:47 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Ivo' s Remixes outside 4ad?
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:48:13 -0700
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: to UK CT fans
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:51:31 GMT
From: Bruce Philp (daisy@MAIL.BOGO.CO.UK)
Subject: Anything new from Breathless?
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:49:31 -0700
From: Layne McLean (laynemc@SNOWCREST.NET)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:14:17 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Tim Friese-Green (this listy) - my two cents
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:41:20 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: ***hnia***'s
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:24:28 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:33:06 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (Giles.Booth@BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG: Finding HNIA
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:43:55 -0400
From: bent crayon (bcrayon@en.com)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:49:30 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:25:04 -0400
From: jose@WESTVIRGINIA.COM
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 23 Mar 1996 to 24 Mar 1996
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:06:37 -0700
From: Robert Todd (btodd@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser (Take a wild guess.)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 15:05:51 -0700
From: Maarten van Dantzich (mvd@ESKIMO.COM)
Subject: Re: Tim Friese-Green (this listy) - my two cents
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:27:00 -0400
From: Baron Lane (EyeRate@AOL.COM)
Subject: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:05:56 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Anything new from Breathless?
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:07:04 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: non4ad - it's about the Cure tour...
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:46:26 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:36:27 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Eternal.
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:55:48 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 23 Mar 1996 to 24 Mar 1996
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 21:14:11 -0400
From: Baron Lane (EyeRate@AOL.COM)
Subject: cole slaw blaw
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:50:48 -0500
From: Kagin Lee (klee1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 02:12:25 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG: Finding HNIA
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:28:23 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 00:52:23 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shelleyan Orphan Discography

              Jul 1996 20:29:10 -0700

Thanks for the discography Brant,  I only have one thing to add.

>   Helleborine
>   -----------
>   US LP Columbia CK 40545
>      CD??? (was one ever released?)

Yep!  Same cat. number and track order as US LP.  It took me years to track down
the CD (hey, my turntable spins too fast!) but finally did find it for $8.


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 02:20:17 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: AP/Remixes/etc. (was Lollapalooza ...)

              Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:24:44 -0400

>   oh, for those of u wanting to know where i read about
>   Lolla, DCD and CT, check this month's
>   Alternative Press (the one with the Sex Pistols
>   on the cover).

ACK!

>   they also have a "Low profile" article
>   on cz's fave lovesliescrushing, and an article
>   on Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn.

Um, i believe that's someone else's fave (nothing against them though).

Other thislisty AP tidbits (i.e., distilling it to it's essence so that you
don't need to buy the mag)

* new releases from Eden and Love Spirals Downwards

* Harold Budd / Hector Zazou new release:  remixes from Glyph!  Does anyone know
more?  Wow!

*snippet on RHP new album (nothing we don't already know)

*Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn & Micheal Brook are working on another album containing
remixes of songs on Night Song!!

*Origins of Cool: Pet Sounds/Beach Boys including a paragraph quotation from
Warren (HNIA) and one from Tim Gane (Stereolab).

*... and for you C'est La Mort-ophiles they give Tel Basta "the finger" and
Eleven Shadows "a high five."  (lame rating system!)

g'night,
cz

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:05:55 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: I take the day off...


And end up deleting more messages unread than I usually do on the Fall
list (another great band going for more than 15 years with basically
the same blueprint).  Dredged from the sludge for responses:

 einexile the meek  wrote on Sun, 7 Jul 1996
 (Subject: flameage, electronic, boxes, moovies)
 >
 > Electronic - Forbidden City
 > ---------------------------
 > Great title.  Ace song.  [Snip]

Kiwi relatives departed for Yorkshire early yesterday, leaving me free
to wander round the shops all day - and the Electronic album was playing
in most of them, it being yesterday's big release.  Yawn.  New Order
have recently become tasteful estate agents music for playing in your
Ford Mondeo and not really listening to, and this was worse.
Inoffensive, bland, dull.  How could Johnny Marr have come to this?

 Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM wrote on Mon, 8 Jul 1996
 (Subject: Geurnica Stuff and outdated catalogues??)
 >
 > What does That Dog sound like.  Who are they....??

They are identical quintuplets, the children of David Geffen or
something like that.  They make spunky pop-punk tunes about trying to
buy tickets in the Bay Area for the DCD tour, with violins.  I quite
like them, other people thought they were the shittiest thing 4AD had
been associated with (that was in the days before Scheer, of course).

 Bruce Philp  wrote on Mon, 8 Jul 1996
 (Subject: Re: to UK CT fans-Violane)
 > At 04:52 PM 7/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
 > > The Cocteau Twins list is down (after everyone received several
 > > hundred message reject notices) so I thought I'd try here.

Left the CT list several weeks ago, as I was pruning even more rubbish
than the Fall list - and didn't even have the helpful subject lines to
aid me.  Signal/noise ratio very low, and no sense of humour (the Fall
list's saving grace).

 > > The latest release date for the Violaine singles was today, July
 > > 8th.  Can anyone in the UK verify that they actually were
 > > released?
 >
 > CD1 is violane, circling girl & alice.
 > CD 2 is violane, smile (new song) & tranquil eye ( Green/Faye wong
 > collaboration, but different > to albumn version)

Hadn't noticed Faye Wong on TE, but then I was trying to stop an
8-year-old friend from painting my sofa and nicking strawberries from
the fridge.  She thought it was music to dance to, but then her mother
thinks that Jim Reeves is cutting edge modern music, so she has a
rather undeveloped musical sense.  "Alice" is nice, "Violaine" is the
album version as far as I can tell.  I love the new stuff, I don't care
what anyone else thinks.  Spooky's new album "Found Sound" was also
released yesterday, and one of the songs ("Hypo Allergenic") is
constructed of Cocteaus samples, though I can't tell which songs they
are from - Liz's voice and Robin's guitar are easily distinguishable,
though, and the song is credited to Guthrie, Fraser, Raymonde and the
two Spooky chaps.  The other bits of the album which I have found time
to listen to are fairly pleasant dancy techno a bit like early
Orbital.  Oh, and it was only nine quid, even in Our Bastard Price,
probably just in the first week of release.  Spooky remixed Lush ages
ago, as I'm sure everyone remembers.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 09/07/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Jack - Pioneer Soundtracks

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:31:29 +0300
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins / Dead Can Dance


On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, fnord prefect wrote:

>         lets play what do CT and DCD have in common:
>
>         1)4ad
>         2)Started out post-punk goth
>         3)female vocalists both sing private gobbeldygook language
>         4)pretention
>         5)sadness (at least in pre-milk and kisses CT)
>         6)concern with expressing hopelessly complex states of
>           emotion without using words.
>
>         7)often copied, never duplicated
>         8)singer used to be romantically involved with male
>           counterpart, now not, and still amicable to eachother
>         9)liz and lisa. sounds the same
>        10)liz and lisa both are moms now.
>        11)for some reason, every CT fan i know is also into CT,
>           and vice-a-versa
>        12)CT were once the house band of 4ad. now DCD are
>
>
>         etc....
>

I Absolutely agree with everything you have pointed out. Except for
item number 12. I am a "fan" of both groups, however i cannot make
that generalisation -- just take a look at the flame wars we've been
having here. I know people who love one group and despise the other.

thanx

Umur Cy Celikyay


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:25:54 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Ivo' s Remixes outside 4ad?


>Does anyone hold a list of Ivo remixes made outside of 4ad ?

No list but I've got this 12" from Peter Murphy (1985), "Final Solution"
(Third and Final mix) remixed by Ivo and John Fryer. Ivo also did the
production.

Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, July 9, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:59:32 +-200
From: Jason Curtis (curtisj@ICL.CO.ZA)
Subject: Test


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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 07:50:02 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Velour 100 review


On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Jason Marc Morehead wrote:
>
> i just got back from the cornerstone festival and i had the pleasure
> of seeing velour 100 in concert.


        hey, 2 questions:

        1) cornerstone festival?


        2) cornerstone festival?


        what's that?


        dan k

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:19:09 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


> Does Warren steal your caps loc key?  It seems like all the fanatical HNIA
> fans
>  don't have one...

...hmmm...so that's what is supposed to be there...i thought it was a pinky
rest.

does anyone care to comment on the hnia 'my canada' flexi from warped
reality?

I haven't sent in my money to susan yet, but would like to know where they're
sitting with this one (hnia that is :)

wondering why there are no midnight _stars on esp_ madness sales in ohio,

jason

srilank@aol.com


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:20:47 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: check it out!


from addicted to noise;


   Addicted to Noise staff writer Gil Kaufman reports: In his continuing
   attempt to assemble the most eclectic (some might say least
   commercial) label on the planet, American honcho Rick Rubin recently
   signed Pakistani singer Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan to a four record deal.
   The suddenly hip singer of Qawwali devotional music, who slipped out
   150 albums while nobody was looking, has his first American Recordings
   album in the can already. "Holy Prophet," a collection of traditional
   music, will be released in September. Plans call for Rubin to record
   another traditional record with Khan while he is in the U.S. on tour,
   as well as an album of (gulp) duets with an as-yet-unnamed gallery of
   alternative artists. After all, it was Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's duet
   with Eddie Vedder for the Dead Man Walking soundtrack that got him all
   the attention. Sources also hinted that some "very special guests"
   might turn up at some of the dates on Khan's North American tour. We
   assume this doesn't include the recently washed-up-on-shore fauxfolkie
Donovan who will open the first six dates and whose teaming
   with Khan is an inspired one because, according to an American press
   release, "both of these seasoned musicians are renowned for their
   pursuit of greater spirituality, high consciousness and uniquely great
   music." Oh, and we thought "Mellow Yellow" was just about getting
   high.

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:09:01 -0400
From: Baron Lane (EyeRate@AOL.COM)
Subject: DCD in Texas


If anyone wants tickets to the Dead Can Dance show in Dallas (8th row)
contact me.

Eyerate@aol.com

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:10:36 -0400
From: Baron Lane (EyeRate@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: I take the day off...


>>>> other people thought they were the shittiest thing 4AD >>>>had been
associated with (that was in the days before >>>>Scheer, of course).

How quickly we forget Spirea X


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:10:24 -0400
From: Baron Lane (EyeRate@AOL.COM)
Subject: Nuvo


Things to try at home:

Dirty & Divine-Moonshake: More amphetamine jazz loops.
Subliminal Sandwich-Meat Beat Manifesto- More ambient/dub. And done well.
Ani Defranco-Dilate-Alanaise (sp?) should be licking her Docs.

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:30:03 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Fax sale -- what to buy?


Sister Ray in London is having a Fax sale (nothing dramatic -- 9.99
GBP per cd).  I haven't ever heard any Fax stuff, so I wonder which
releases are worth having.  Could some kind soul (ie., e) give a list
of what releases are essential?

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:23:15 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Velour 100 review


>         hey, 2 questions:
>
>         1) cornerstone festival?
>
>
>         2) cornerstone festival?
>
>
>         what's that?

it's a Christian music festival down in bushnell, illinois.
basically, it's 4 days of music from every genre imaginable, along
with talks and seminars on a wide range of subjects.  i had a really
good time and got to see some really awesome concerts.

jason


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:29:50 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: check it out!


> ..Sources also hinted that some "very special guests"
>   might turn up at some of the dates on Khan's North American tour..

haven't seen him myself but I hear he get's all frentic and wild
in an on stage trance of some sort.

-naor-
waking up on the wrong side of 40 degrees centigrate.

ps. to dan - what's the story changing your callsign every 5 minutes?
    you're making me dizzy, sattle down man. ;)

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:05:49 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Nuvo/ACHTUNG! only semi topical


On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Baron Lane wrote:

> Things to try at home:
>
> Dirty & Divine-Moonshake: More amphetamine jazz loops.
> Subliminal Sandwich-Meat Beat Manifesto- More ambient/dub. And done well.
> Ani Defranco-Dilate-Alanaise (sp?) should be licking her Docs.
>


        the new meatbeat is the GOODS! especially disc 2.
        and how phat that they are gonna be at perry farrel's
        indian reservation based enit festival in autumn!
        along with (in case you haven't heard about this):

                love and rockets
                porno for pyros
                the orb
                bjork
                tricky
                erm...nancy sinatra (no shit)
                that woman who used to sing in Dee-Lite
                black grape
                and various djays


        if anyone out there in 4ad land has any more info
        on this thing, or has a computer with some balls
        and can view the video clips on the warner bros.
        pfp site,  please either post it to the list
        (hey, l&r used to be bauhaus which used to be 4ad...)
        or to me personally.

        thanks, and excuse the diversion

        dan

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:21:09 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins


At 05:23 7/8/96 +0000, you wrote:
>"C.K. Coney"  writes:
>
>> Oh, stop, already. No one called CT "Paragons of Change"...this is getting
>> REALLY childish! You're entitled to your opinion, but please stop making
>> things up...it makes you sound rather stupid and ill-intended.
>
>Quoth the famous statement from C.K. Coney that started this
>
>> I totally disagree with you re: Cocteau Twins, who you obviously refer to
>> here. They have evolved over the years, each album has a totally different
>> sound from the next [...]
>
>QED.
>

Oh, so I started the "silliness"...I don't think so! Anyway, I again assert
that NO ONE  called CT "Paragons of Change". I really don't have time to
inspect all the msgs. posted during this debate to verify my assertion...so
since you apparently have unlimited time, please find that quote for me.

I still stick with my claim "each album has a totally different sound from
the next"...put on your headphones & you'll see that it's true, LITERALLY.

Carol

>--
>(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen
>

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 15:14:07 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: to UK CT fans


At 20:52 7/8/96 +0000, you wrote:
>The Cocteau Twins list is down (after everyone received several hundred
>message reject notices) so I thought I'd try here.
>
>The latest release date for the Violaine singles was today, July 8th. Can
>anyone in the UK verify that they actually were released?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ken

I too am very interested in Violaine singles...my fave track on Otherness &
M & K. Any info would be most appreciated!

Carol Coney
>


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:54:28 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: What the hell is wrong with those 4AD artists?


At 21:42 7/8/96 +0000, you wrote:
>A few weeks ago I wanted to see Scheer in Amsterdam: cancelled, then the
>Dead Can Dance show: cancelled. This week I wanted to see The Amps in
>What the hell is wrong with those 4AD artists?
>
>Oh, and last weeks Mazzy Star concert in Amsterdam: cancelled!
>
>So four-and-a-half of the five concerts I wanted to see last month were
>cancelled (the fifth one was the second Dead Can Dance show in Amsterdam;
>cancelled after one hour). I think I'm going to become a Brian Adams/Tina
>Turner/Toto/Bon Jovi fan... because they're touring all the time, every
>year and always perform. (but their music makes me sick so I won't be able
>to go...)
>
>
>Emiel Efdee
>...
>the Netherlands, July 8, 1996
>... efdee@luna.nl

Now THAT's funny! (Not the cancellations...you have my sympathy...but what
you said about becoming a fan of those other "artists" & getting sick
yourself if you go to see em!)

I'm hoping DCD will play here in Atlanta in August, but as they will be on
the road in the states for a month by that time, my hopes are not that high,
I must sadly admit (I am hopeful enough to have already bought my tix,
however...Lisa, drink alot of water & lemon juice...and don't talk to fans
too much backstage...conserve that lovely voice!)

Carol Coney
>

Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:57:35 +0930
From: Tim Koch (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*


On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:

> Why do we have to hash this personal name calling out in public?
> If the debate is relavant to the list, besides who has the biggest ego
> (which seems to be a dead heat amongst most 4ad-heads), then fine....
> but who wants to read all this vitriol that is just name calling?
>
  Couldn't agree more ... what is the point ?

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:46:20 -0400
From: Craig Gordon (cgordon1@magic.hofstra.edu)
Subject: Re: Nuvo


Hello,
        Now what was the point made referring to Ani Difranco's Dilate?
        I am a fan of Ani, and its about time that she gets her moment in
the spotlight... After 7 Albums, and a compilation album, all on her own
record label, which she started at 18, her indi status is finally working
for her on a cult level...She is still getting hounded by the mega-labels
to sign on for greater exposure, and she keeps saying that she's doing all
of this on her own.  Sure she'll get greater exposure, radio airplay, etc.
But in the other day's LA Times, there was an article stating that Ani
gets the highest royalties per album than any other artist (she gets a
little more than 4 bucks, Hootie gets around 2 bucks, and so does Michael
Jackson) Ani does everything herself - From writing/composing the songs,
to artwork, to packaging, to publicity.  She gets the final word.
        Anyway... has anyone heard 'Dilate'?  I think its pretty good....
and hopefully will get greater recognition by the end of the year.  Anyone
out there seen her live?  Now that's an experience unto itself... A
different kind of religious experience.  I saw Lisa Gerrard at Town Hall
last October - that was a religious experience - tranquil-like.  WOW!
(and I hope to catch DCD at City Center in a few weeks - I still have to
call for ticket info!) Ani Difranco's more like pure
sweet-rage-feminist-pop-groove-funk. I can't think of words to discribe
it.  People were saying that DCD/Lisa Gerrard's music is meant to be heard
live... The same goes with Ani. Her studio albums don't quite capture her
live. But rumor has it, that Ani is currently mixing a live album!!!
        Just out of curiosity, anyone out there October Project fans?


        Anyway, sorry about the rambling...
        Craig
        CGordon1@magic.hofstra.edu

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:57:36 -0400
From: fnord maddox fnord (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG


        seems that 'Stars on ESP' didnt come out today aferall.


        which has me using unsavoury language in that black space


        and in that one above this line to describe 4AD's swell


        public relations/promotions/webpresence people.  big high



        five to all of you.  i-n-f-o-r-m-a-t-i-o-n ? check it out



        and so useful when trustworthy.  it might even make it easier


        to sell records, find new listeners, and keep the loyal ones




        loyal.  shoulda known better, and shoulda spent twice as much




        on the import.  perhaps that's their overall plan??




        have fun waiting for those this rimy river ltd. editons books, too.



        

        dan k


        whose online moniker is brought to you in part by Illuminatus!


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:07:20 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG


>        seems that 'Stars on ESP' didnt come out today aferall.
>
strange.  i was able to get a copy in minneapolis on saturday.  i wonder why?
i was more than a little surprised to find it when i did.  was anyone else
other than promo/radio station people and those in the u.k. able to find it
early?
tony
shift key, schmift key.

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:04:56 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: an incident involving Shelleyan


All the recent discussion invovling Caroline Crawley and co. inspired me
to post this little story.

Been dating a new girl, she's kind of cool, but musical tastes are pretty
different. She's not into music much but enjoys country. Hmmm... Anyways,
I was helping her move last week and was unloading stuff from her car. I
came across two CDs, one being some top 40 artist I can't recall, the
other CD being Century Flower by Shelleyan Orphan. I was very confused
at finding this CD in her car and was unable to speak for several
minutes. She then explained that a friend had given it to her and she
didn't care for it much, but offered it to me! Yay! I had always been
meaning to buy it but free is so much better.

matthew


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:09:39 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


>On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, C.K. Coney wrote:
>> overwhelming mailbox load.
>>
>> However, I would like to hear from any fans of His Name Is Alive (either
>> e-mailed to me privately or posted to the group) re: the sound of the band,
>> the members, etc. I must admit seeing the name I think it would be a
>> Christian band...am I right or wrong about this? Not that I have anything
>> against Christians, per se, but I generally don't go to concerts by bands
>> working within that genre.
>
>        I've not found any overt references to any sort of organized
>        religion in any hnia product to date.  their (former?) drummer
>        has a record out on a christian label, and i know that warren
>        went to catholic skool... the music is fantastically concerned
>        with the spirt and the spiritual.  but in a metaphysical rather
>        than dogmatic or orthadox sense.
>
trey hasn't quit the band has he?  also who are the singers on the new
album.  i would have liked a musician listing in the cd booklet, oh well.
what christian label?  tooth and nail?  really?
>
>>
>> His Name Is Alive will be playing in Atlanta in August, and I'm wondering
>> should I re-arrange some travel plans (do-able at this date) to stick around
>> to see this band.
>>
>        their live performances have been in my opinion nothing like
>        the studio records. as a knee-jerk hnia fanatic i of course
>        implore you to drop everything to see them. but if i had to
>        choose between hnia on headphones in the dark or hnia live
>        onstage, i would be in the dark.  warren's studio abilities are
>        legendary. fascinating. trippy.
>
>
>> I like Cocteau Twins & DCD, and recently found Scheer & Mojave 3 (oft
>> mentioned in this list) in used CD bins & like em quite a bit. So am curious
>> about His Name etc.
>>
>
>        for some reason hnia are always compared to cocteautwins, this
>        maybe because there's nothing else that bears the comparison.
>        both use studio goodies for supernatural effects, both feature
>        godlike female singing, both seem custom made for the drug
>        experience....  but they arent at all alike in overall sound.
>        hnia have a zillion different sounds, the cocteaus (especially
>        now) seem to have only one...
>
>
>
>        hnia are top five of all time for me. they occupy favored
>        positions in the cd-towers which house my collection, being
>        neighbours with dcd, cocteaus, peter murphy, love and rockets,
>        this mortal coil...
>
>        if you had to start with one cd by them, get home is in your head.
>        or, if you use lsd, start with livonia
>
>        you cant live here....
>
>        dan k
>        who knew them when they were fishcats

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:19:09 -0400
From: Dreempop@AOL.COM
Subject: Love Spirals Downwards in San Fran


Subject: New Show: LOVE SPIRALS DOWNWARD at Big Heart City

*******************
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 04:37:38 GMT
From: Burt Reynolds (bwilliam@FOGELSON.CSF.EDU)
Subject: A few things to sell


    Hello! Here are a few mostly thislisty cds I'd love to sell:
Throwing Muses  Bright Yellow Gun  (BAD 4018 [I think]) $6
The Veldt       Afrodisiac $6
Cranes          Beautiful Friend (1-tr. promo w/photo of band on
cover) $2.50
Lush            Black Spring  (BAD 1014) $7
My Bloody Valentine  Isn't Anything (US) $7

    All items are postage paid...email me privately for tracklistings
or whatever. Thanks!
    brian
    bwilliam@fogelson.csf.edu


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:32:21 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Shelleyan Orphan vs VU


First and foremost, my apologies for not posting this privately to the
interested party, but I didn't save their original post that got me started
thinking about this.
In reference to the Shelleyan Orphan cover of a VU song, it does exist, and as
far as I know, is still available.  They have a track on Heaven and Hell
Volume 2: A Tribute to the Velevet Underground (there are 3 volumes).  Last
time I checked (which was recently), it was available on CD from Parasol
records (they are online), for the lofty sum of US$23.50 + shipping.
Now you know.
--gary

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:19:19 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Cinepoly address/phone


Could someone from Hong Kong on this list please
find out the address and phone number of Cinepoly
for me? All I have is an email address from their
web site and they're not replying to me.

And for that matter, does anyone have the UK address/phone/fax
for Mercury/Fontana?

Thanks-- Brant

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:45:47 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: an incident involving Shelleyan


but, if she's into country music (blech), then you have the perfect
opportunity to sway her...force some tarnation (not my thing, but...), amc,
sunshine club (my current new favorite record), ida, movaje (double blech),
rhp, belly, heidi berry etc on her...she'll love you even more!

rick stone, luv doktor

>All the recent discussion invovling Caroline Crawley and co. inspired me
>to post this little story.
>
>Been dating a new girl, she's kind of cool, but musical tastes are pretty
>different. She's not into music much but enjoys country. Hmmm... Anyways,
>I was helping her move last week and was unloading stuff from her car. I
>came across two CDs, one being some top 40 artist I can't recall, the
>other CD being Century Flower by Shelleyan Orphan. I was very confused
>at finding this CD in her car and was unable to speak for several
>minutes. She then explained that a friend had given it to her and she
>didn't care for it much, but offered it to me! Yay! I had always been
>meaning to buy it but free is so much better.
>
>matthew
>
>


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:48:13 -0700
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Ivo' s Remixes outside 4ad?


>>Does anyone hold a list of Ivo remixes made outside of 4ad ?

He remixed "Cloudless" by Cranes, for one.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:51:31 GMT
From: Bruce Philp (daisy@MAIL.BOGO.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: to UK CT fans


At 03:14 PM 7/9/96 GMT, you wrote:
>At 20:52 7/8/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>The Cocteau Twins list is down (after everyone received several hundred
>>message reject notices) so I thought I'd try here.
>>
>>The latest release date for the Violaine singles was today, July 8th. Can
>>anyone in the UK verify that they actually were released?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Ken
>
>I too am very interested in Violaine singles...my fave track on Otherness &
>M & K. Any info would be most appreciated!
>
>Carol Coney
>>
[Yes, the single was out today.

CD1 is violane, circling girl & alice.
CD 2 is violane, smile (new song) & tranquil eye ( Green/Faye wong
collaboration, but different to album version)]

>I have to apologize-the track "Tranquil Eye" is not "Green" but is the
other track on Impetuous (don't know the name as I can't read Chinese). It
is different to the LP version, I think. It is, of course, excellent.

Bruce

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:49:31 -0700
From: Layne McLean (laynemc@SNOWCREST.NET)
Subject: Anything new from Breathless?


I was wondering if anyone has heard anything new or knows what the band
Breathless (Dominic Appleton, vocals - TMC) has been up to?

TIA,

Layne
laynemc@snowcrest.net

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:14:17 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG


yeah, guess I'll have to cope with my vinyl copy of "Stars on ESP" for awhile
longer...

Went around to 5 places looking for it.  Here are some of my favorite

"Uh, who?"

"They broke up"

"The band's name is 'Alive'?  We don't have it."

"You mean the band 'Live'.  They don't have anything new."

"It's in our warehouse.  We should have it sometime next week.  Maybe."

"If we have anything it's called 'Mouth by Mouth'."


Anyone else have difficulty getting their point across?
Oh, well...

Of course, I had more fun last August trying to explain to Planet Music that
Lisa Gerrard's album was NOT in fact called "The Mirror Fool", which they
INSISTED was correct.

I'm going to go listen to Harry Connick Jr., who's new album EVERYONE had...
CJ

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:41:20 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Tim Friese-Green (this listy) - my two cents


    Hey,
            For all those who don't know Tim Friese-Green Produced
Cathrene Wheel's "Ferment" and Lush's "Sweetness and Light" which are
probably my most favorite. I just curious of what else he has done in
the past.

            Anyone notice that the "alternative"  (the stuff they play
on 120 minutes, alternative radio) was much better 6 years ago and the
stuff they play now kinda blows? My cd collection needs more indy
stuff! I think I am begining to realize why everyone (with a clue)
hates the mainstream.

            Have the swirlies ever made any videos? Are the early
Shallow albums reminisant of 3d stereo trouble? What does Sylvania
sound like?

                                            Brian

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:24:28 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: ***hnia***'s


well,
        i got staars on esp today, as soon as i could get my way to ann
arbor. 1st off, 15.99$???? what the hell?
        the album is great!!! this is the best thing i have heard since
hiiyh. it sounds a lot like livonia mixed with home.
there seems to be a little bit of a blues/country influence beggining to
shine through. this is only in keeping with   hnia   's inability to
be(or, more likely still, thier ability NOT to be) pigeon-holed.
        listen carefully...............
or in the background(good for baking cookies to)


who is the male voices? is there more tahn one or is that a recording
studio bit?
sean
***'s on esp


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:33:06 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (Giles.Booth@BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


>trey hasn't quit the band has he?  also who are the singers on the new

>album.  i would have liked a musician listing in the cd booklet, oh
well.



According to the 4AD press release Stars on ESP is 'performed in the main
by Warren Defever (guitar), Karin Oliver (vocals) and Trey Many (drums).
All written by Warren except 3 and 5 co-written with Erica Hoffman, 8 and
9 with Matthew Smith, 13 with Mark Kozelek of Red House Painters, 14
written by Trey Many. Tracks 2, 10 and 15 are variations on a theme of
Woody Guthrie's 'This World is not my Home'. 'Last One' is a gospel
version performed by the ESP Family and a hand-picked choir...'



Apologies if this info has already been posted to the list.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

-   giles.booth@bbc.co.uk - BBC World Service

-   Room 503CB, Bush House, Strand, London WC2 4PH

-   'two step / behind the rest / one fingertip too long'

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:43:55 -0400
From: bent crayon (bcrayon@en.com)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG: Finding HNIA


Creig Jacobson wrote:
>
> yeah, guess I'll have to cope with my vinyl copy of "Stars on ESP" for awhile
> longer...
>

Aside from the blatant stupidity of the mentioned record store
employees, one of the reasons that the HNIA cd is not being found
everywhere is because ADA is handling the distribution for this 4ad
title.  Furthermore, some stores that do order from ada are getting
their orders late due to some sort of corporate excuse regarding the
rush before the 4th of July.  For myself, being 2 day UPS ground time
away and doing my order last Mon. and still not seeing it makes we
wonder what else is going on.

john/c



>

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:49:30 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG


In reference to the new His Name is Alive...

>Went around to 5 places looking for it.  Here are some of my favorite
>
>"Uh, who?"
>
>"They broke up"
>
>"The band's name is 'Alive'?  We don't have it."
>
>"You mean the band 'Live'.  They don't have anything new."
>
>"It's in our warehouse.  We should have it sometime next week.  Maybe."
>
>"If we have anything it's called 'Mouth by Mouth'."
>
>Anyone else have difficulty getting their point across?
>Oh, well...
>CJ

Yes! Every single store I called acted like I was speaking another language.  I
had to spell the name out for one stupid girl.  She then cheerfully replied,
that indeed, it was out today.  "Yes," I told her, "that's why I'm calling."
Of course nobody had it (though the helpful chap at Streetside records informed
me that they got the promo copy today--big help).  Add me to the list of
frustrated 4AD fans.
--gary

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:25:04 -0400
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:06:37 -0700
From: Robert Todd (btodd@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 23 Mar 1996 to 24 Mar 1996


Automatic digest processor wrote:
>
> There are 15 messages totalling 383 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
>   1. M2O'H (2)
>   2. TarantuBLAH (2)
>   3. ouch! and my fax page
>   4. Autechre
>   5. Lovelife
>   6. M/A/R/R/S (4)
>   7. Kieslowski + Preiner's Music
>   8. Lovelife:  4AD toy with us yet...
>   9. somewhat-thislisty TV appearances
>  10. cidytalk
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 23 Mar 1996 23:32:04 -0600
> From:    jtgayton@POLISCI.WISC.EDU
> Subject: M2O'H
>
> Always happy to answer a question about Mary Margaret O'Hara.  As far as I
> know, all she's released is the aforementioned "Miss America" (which I
> agree is brilliant) and a Christmas single a couple of years ago (I've
> never seen or heard it).  I heard some scuttlebut that she's recorded
> stuff, but her label has not been happy with it.  Evidently, she's been
> fighting to get the stuff back from them, but to no avail.  Take this with
> the requisite grain of salt though...I have no inside information.
>
> By the way, has anyone heard anything more about a new Blue Nile LP?
>
> -- Jeff
>
> Jeffrey T. Gayton
> jtgayton@polisci.wisc.edu
>
> University of Wisconsin, Madison
> 110 North Hall
> 1050 Bascom Mall
> Madison, WI  53706
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 23 Mar 1996 22:56:04 -0800
> From:    einexile the meek 
> Subject: TarantuBLAH
>
> On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, jesus el pifco wrote:
>
> > >if you read a few interviews, the album was finished before the break up
> > >was immanent.
> >
> > Well, then it sounds like they knew the end was at hand, or like they just
> > didn't feel like trying.
>
> There is a difference between hating the band you're in and losing
> interest in music. From the content of this album it's pretty clear
> that these folks have lost interest and don't understand what's happened.
> I somewhat doubt that it was *impossible* for each member to go his
> separate way and still manage to compile ten songs between the four of
> them over the space of two and a half years. This has worked just fine
> for New Order, the Cocteaux, DCD, etc. If you can stand looking in the
> booklet for Tarantula, it seems to be their *most* collaborative work.
>
> > it sounds like
> > they didn't put much effort into it.
>
> I'm inclined to think they put a whole lot of work into it. You can't
> just sit down with your guitar and knock off something that awful. They
> seem to have worked very diligently at creating something which just
> happens to be awful beyond imagination.
>
> > Nice lettering on the sleeve, though.
>
> No offense meant, but are you kidding?
>
> :(
>
> Mr. Burns wrote:
>
> > >Its amazing how many nay sayers crawl out of the woodwork whenever a band
> > >changes its style!
>
> Gee, thanks for taking me at my word where my reasons are concerned. It's
> also pretty amazing that you seem to think they never changed their
> style up until this new album.
>
> > >I guess I'll just have to keep listening to nowhere
> > >over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
>
> There are plenty of bands we all love that sound *nothing* like Ride
> *ever* did...
>
>     einexile who is getting to his mail very late sorry
>     is the stereolab album out here or do the rekkid st
>     ores here just suck? maybe i should not have delete
>     d the messages about stereolab :) go lookie my page
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sat, 23 Mar 1996 23:33:53 -0800
> From:    einexile the meek 
> Subject: ouch! and my fax page
>
> On Sun, 24 Mar 1996, L-Soft list server at AMERICAN.EDU (1.8b) wrote:
>
> > the 4AD-L list (391 recipients).
>
> Christ, I stop posting for two weeks and someone steals my job of getting
> people to unsubscribe from this list. You fickle bastards!
>
> The guide to Fax label releases, that I think I posted once and which a
> few people have asked me for at one time or another, is up at
>
>         ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ei/einexile/.vile/fax/faxguide.html
>
> I am trying out for World's Longest URL! :)
>
> Anyway, it should be pretty updated by the time you read this, with a few
> reviews and other fun shit thrown in sooner or later.
>
>  e
>
> BTW does anyone know how much the laser of Seven is going to cost? For
> that matter is it coming out Tuesday or is that just the f***ing $100
> videotape? :(
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 00:36:04 PST
> From:    Burt Reynolds 
> Subject: Autechre
>
> Hi all.
> Can anyone tell me what Autechre's 2-disc blank-bronze-cover album is
> like? What other bands are good comparisons? Thanks for the help!
>     brian
>     bwilliam@fogelson.csf.ed
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 12:01:51 -0500
> From:    Joseph Burns 
> Subject: Re: TarantuBLAH
>
> shortly ago e wrote somethig to the effect of:
> > I am surprised to see that you think Ride never changed their style
> > before this.
>
> I dont know how this idea was taken out of my comments. I hardly think
> this is the case. Ride's changes of style have taken them into and out of
> interesting areas, my point however is that I don't begrudge them for
> changing styles - even if I don't prefer whatever direction it is they've
> ended up in. If my commentary indicated otehrwise, that was sarcasm.
>
> After listening to Tarantula for about a week or so, I sat down with it
> and a pair of headphones last night. I am torn as to pass a verdict on
> the disc. imho there are about six songs that are musically interesting
> and worthy of a ride signature, and the other half of the album really
> seems pretty worthless to me. Does that mean the album is a failure?
> I'm not sure. I dont think a record has to be ground breaking and 'the
> nesxt biggest thing' since feedback... but I do admit that Tarantula
> leaves me a little cold. Ride's previous changes in style made sense to
> me in their own way and gave a flavour to each disc that somehow
> complimented the music... on this one, I cant tell why they did what they
> did. I guess if there's a handful of songs on it that I can listen to and
> enjoy, thats better than Ride breaking up and never hearing anything from
> them ever again. A bitter (almost sweet) goodbye.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:07:46 GMT
> From:    "Robert A. Szkolnicki" 
> Subject: Re: M2O'H
>
> >Jeffrey T. Gayton writes:
> >Always happy to answer a question about Mary Margaret O'Hara.  As far as I
> >know, all she's released is the aforementioned "Miss America" (which I
> >agree is brilliant) and a Christmas single a couple of years ago (I've
> >never seen or heard it).  I heard some scuttlebut that she's recorded
> >stuff, but her label has not been happy with it.  Evidently, she's been
> >fighting to get the stuff back from them, but to no avail.  Take this with
> >the requisite grain of salt though...I have no inside information.
>
> >By the way, has anyone heard anything more about a new Blue Nile LP?
>
> >-- Jeff
>
> That Mary Margaret O'Hara info is correct. I will add a couple footnotes. She
> appears on another Christmas compilation, a live concert with other female
> singers. It is called "Count Your Blessings". Also, watch for SWEET RELIEF
> II. She will appear on one track.
>
> As for The Blue Nile ... I don't know. I read on this list a release date for
> the summer. I look forward to it.
>
> Robert
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:12:38 EST
> From:    Dez <100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM>
> Subject: Lovelife
>
> Lovelife entered the UK LP charts at number 8.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 11:31:48 -0800
> From:    Robert Pietrusko 
> Subject: Re: M/A/R/R/S
>
> You wrote:
> >
> >i found the american pump up the volume 12" today for $2  -- quite the
> deal,
> >i think.  i remember one of these vinyl pieces was actually worth
> something,
> >but i don't remember if it was this one.
>
> hey, does anyone know if there is a CD release of "pump up the volume,"
> if so, how hard would that be to find today, just curious.
>
>                 -robert.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 15:11:01 CST
> From:    the boy in zinc 
> Subject: Re: M/A/R/R/S
>
> >hey, does anyone know if there is a CD release of "pump up the volume,"
> >if so, how hard would that be to find today, just curious.
> >
>
> yeah.  i think it's still in print and orderable from 4ad.  i got mine at
> best buy for $10 some time ago.
>
> BiZ
>
> and to all of you i owe tapes (there are many), just bear with me.  i'll get
> 'em out soon (some of the stuff i need to tape is loaned out, and i'm having
> difficulty getting it back :(
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:12:14 +0100
> From:    "Laurent Lapierre \"P'tit Greg.\"" 
> Subject: Re: Kieslowski + Preiner's Music
>
> >it is a very sad thing that this (imho) film making genious has passed
> >away. but i guess he wouldn't have made any more films even if he lived
> >(or so he claimed). not that his death isn't tragic as it is....
>
> >I remember that after the Three Colours trilogy was completed, he said he
> >was going to stop making films and just concentrate on smoking full-time...
>
> Yes, hat's what he claimed after "Rouge"... saying something as 'making film
> is an useless and futile art'... (don't remember the right words...).
>
> BUT he was presently preparing a new trilogy, called
> _Heaven, Hell and Purgatory_ (Ciel, enfer et purgatoire).
>
> It's really a pity, it was one of the best film director IMHO.
>
> La Double Vie de V=E9ronique (The Double Life of Veronica) is one of his
> best films, altough really slow, the emotions are on the images, as it is
> with _Blue_. _White_ and _Red_ are more living.
> The trilogy _Bleu, Blanc, Rouge_ is also called _Libert=E9, Egualit=E9, Frat=
> ernit=E9_
> (those films are originally in Polish and French)
>
> The 10 TV-films about the 10 commandments are more classical work. His work
> was made after an order from the Polish-TV. But the touch of Kieslowski can
> be felt also here.
>
> It has also old films, some of them on Polish subjects, but I think there
> access is quite difficult... you have to be involved in the Polich context t=
> o
> understand...
>
> I saw last month a short film of K. (1966, maybe his first?), called
> _Urzad_ (position, wicket...). He has just filmed the atmosphere of a positi=
> on
> for social help... amazing, it's difficult to believe! Poland in 1966 is
> realy a Ubu land...
>
> -----------
>
> The music of Preisner (he has made the music of quite all Kieslowski films,
> along with works for the really good film _Fatale_ (Louis Malle) and others
> directors) really matches Kieslowski art... I recommend the live CD called
> _Preisner's Music_ (Virgin)
>
> ------
> C'd be thislisty... Saw Tortoise live: nice, and the sound is heavier than o=
> n
> the lp, which recall me some Dif Juz work...
>
>                        ___
> Laurent Lapierre      |-,-|
> lapierre@micronet.fr  | - | =20
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:25:54 -0500
> From:    Creig Jacobson 
> Subject: Lovelife:  4AD toy with us yet...
>
> OK, gang...
> from the interesting posts that ensued from the sleeve of Lovelife to the
> run-off groove of the import clear vinyl (which is a beautiful thing with a
> translucent insert)...
>
> Side A reads:
> Browning in a sea of Britpop
>
> (I don't think they're referring to Robert Browning, folks.)
>
> Side B reads (for no apparent reason):
> No, I've never seen a blind man's buff
>
> Sheesh, I love this label.
> CJ
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:35:43 -0500
> From:    Alex Wolfson 
> Subject: Re: M/A/R/R/S
>
> > hey, does anyone know if there is a CD release of "pump up the volume,"
> > if so, how hard would that be to find today, just curious.
> >
> >                 -robert.
> Yes.  I know there is a domestic us version released on 4'bway records.
> Not sure if its in print though.  The 7" version is available on the hard
> to find Japanese 12" 1987 compilation.
>
> Alex
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:22:23 -0500
> From:    BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
> Subject: somewhat-thislisty TV appearances
>
> Just skimming over the local paper today and it listed some TV appearance by
> some bands I thought worth mentioning here:
>
> Thursday night:
> Blur appears on The Conan O'Brien show
> Tom Jones appears on Leno (perhaps he'll perform one of his TWP covers!!  -
> yeah, right.)
>
> Friday night:
> Bjork appears on Leno
>
> by the way, anyone have a taped copy of the Cocteau's appearance on The
> Tonight Show (?) a year back during their last tour???  if so, please contact
> me via private e-mal...
>
> laters..
>
> ~~blubelknol@aol.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:31:39 -0600
> From:    monica 
> Subject: cidytalk
>
> If anyone cares, Cindytalk will be in Chicago on this coming Thursday.  The
> show is at The Empty Bottle, and it starts at 10:00pm.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:42:55 -0600
> From:    monica 
> Subject: Re: M/A/R/R/S
>
> >hey, does anyone know if there is a CD release of "pump up the volume,"
> >if so, how hard would that be to find today, just curious.
> >
> >                -robert.
>
> I have seen a CD off this, but the last time was like 6 years ago.  So yes,
> it does exist, but I am not sure how available it is.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of 4AD-L Digest - 23 Mar 1996 to 24 Mar 1996
> ************************************************PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! stop s
nding this junk to me immediately!!!!!

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 15:05:51 -0700
From: Maarten van Dantzich (mvd@ESKIMO.COM)
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser (Take a wild guess.)


(delurk)

Gee, I *like* "Aion", but I have to agree with much of what eine'xile said
about "Spiritchaser": it's lame, doesn't go anywhere, never even gets near
"Milk & Kisses" (which I'm also not raving about), and in parts sounds
tackier than a bad Bel Canto song.

I've never been wild about Perry, and now have to wonder how this album
came about... what happened to the solo work he was doing?  Did it turn
into this?

Take "Song of the Stars" as an example.  The percussion works well enough,
and I for one don't mind the faux birds, but the synthey guitarish loops
laid over it all just make me cringe.  Have I become so prejudiced about
Perry that I'm now inclined to criticize his pronounciation of a language
I know nothing about? I'm not sure, but while Gerrard sounds wonderful
(and convincing), Perry's interpretation falls flat for me.

I remember frowning when I picked it up in the store and saw the sleeve.
For those who haven't bought the album yet, I'd recommend taking a cue
from the cover art: what you see is what you get.

Anyone wanna trade for a copy of The Mirror Pool?

>> Maarten.

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:27:00 -0400
From: Baron Lane (EyeRate@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Tim Friese-Green (this listy) - my two cents


 >>Hey,
>>For all those who don't know Tim Friese-Green Produced
>>Cathrene Wheel's "Ferment" and Lush's "Sweetness and Light" >>which are
probably my most favorite. I just curious of what >>else he has done in the
past.

Well I think last I heard he helped Nick Cave write a song for the Batman
Forever soundtrack.

If you can get by the dreadful U2 wannabee New Order drivel on the disc.

Hasta,

Baron


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:05:56 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: The great Cocteau purges

              +0200 

Umm, hope nobody minds me carrying this on.  I do think Lars is raising
some interesting points and we don't seem to be at each others throats
(yet?! :-).  Anyways , Lars wrote:

>Or, rather,
>CT were flailing around for a "sound" and made Garlands and HOH before
>finding something they were comfortable with in Treasure, and have
>stuck to that sound/music/method ever since.

Perhaps, but I don't suppose Robin Guthrie would agree with you.  I always
get the impression that "abortion" Treasure is his least liked CTs album
which would suggest he wanted to ditch that sound.  But, on the other hand,
I've never had much time for Guthrie's opinions.  I suspect they're too
loaded with perspectives drawn from his personal life.  For example, saying
that DCD are "sad and pretentious".  He may be right but really, people who
live in glass houses shouldn't take their trousers off.  It couldn't be
intra-label jealousies rising to the surface, could it?

Simon Hughes

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:07:04 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Anything new from Breathless?


layne wrote

"I was wondering if anyone has heard anything new or knows what the band
Breathless (Dominic Appleton, vocals - TMC) has been up to?"




supposedly breathless will have a new album in a few months. they have had
some personal problems i hear but are ready to dive in again. this is from an
article i read a few months ago when after the compilation cd came out


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:46:26 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: non4ad - it's about the Cure tour...


        Does any of you have the confirmated tour of Cure?

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:36:27 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*


> Why do we have to hash this personal name calling out in public?
> If the debate is relavant to the list, besides who has the biggest ego
> (which seems to be a dead heat amongst most 4ad-heads), then fine....
> but who wants to read all this vitriol that is just name calling?
>

        I second Joseph.
        Why do we have to hash that shit between those people,
To them: don't you think is better to continue your discussions by
    personal messages instead of make it public?


                    Wilder.

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:55:48 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Eternal.


    Has any of you heard this ethereal-noise band?
    I know it was the group of Christian Saville from Slowdive, but
only have a 7" single with 2 songs: Breathe/Sleep. But God i just
LOVE those songs!!

    So is there anything else by Eternal?

    Regards.

            Wilder.

Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 21:14:11 -0400
From: Baron Lane (EyeRate@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 23 Mar 1996 to 24 Mar 1996


How do receive the digest vesion of this lovely/infuriating discussion?

Thank you,

Eyerate@aol.com


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:50:48 -0500
From: Kagin Lee (klee1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu)
Subject: cole slaw blaw


Hey i wanna join in the fun!  Too bad nobody told me when orbital was
 playing =(  Opus 3's "It's a Fine Day" is loaded with vocal samples,
 but it ain't tracey thorne.  It's ms. opus herself, spliced to bits.
 Okay, i'm just makin' it  up, but i'm not the only person who hears
 edit points all over the song.

Mary Margaret O'Hara wrote a funky song for Holly Cole's "Don't Smoke
 in Bed" album.

Last i heard of Breathless was the Heartburst compilation cd,
 which was supposed to be an introduction for the uninitiated
 to prepare for the new album.  A couple years later, where is
 it?  Mebbe i missed it when i was living in the swamps?

Liz Fraser's "Song to the Siren" is lovely, but still doesn't beat
 the whole TMC "original versions" cd.

I got a ticket to DCD this month, but i don't think i'm goin.  Not
 worth the vacation days to me, after Spiritchaser.

Saw Come last night.  The whole time i was scared Thalia'd commit
 suicide in the morning.  Kinda puts a damper on a great night of
 music eh?  They played hnia "Livonia" over the p.a. between bands,
 really cleared the crowd out.  I was impressed.

Would internetters really listen to compressed over-the-modem digital
 radio rather than going to the record store to hear new stuff?

If y'all are gonna flamewar, try to cut out the big quotes of elvia,
 okay?  Kinda defeats the purpose of a killfile.  However, the
 "friends of e" line could be a reference to a dance tune from
 '91 or so by "friends of carlotta", or "f.o.c.", with their
 super-catchy song, "fingerfoc" (or somesuch).

kagin

Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 02:12:25 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


Thank you everyone who e-mailed me personally or posted to this list re: His
Name Is Alive. Based on glowing, gushing ravings I bought Livonia today, and
it is absolutely PHENOMENAL (excuse me for shouting...but I think I had a
religious experience.) I will acquire the rest when I have the ducats...I
think I've spent over $150 on CD's in 2 months, and I'm a tad over budget,
me thinks.

Now I sure hope the rumor is true that they will be in Atlanta in
August...I'd love to see them work their musical chemistry live.

So is the CD everyone's talking about "Stars on ESP" released under the HNIA
name, or is it another, related project under another name? And do you all
love it as much as all their other stuff?

Again...thanks for all the e-mail. You made my day...it's great to find new,
truly creative work amidst so much mediocre crap out there (but not on THIS
HERE LISTY!)

Peace,

Carol Coney

P.S. Folks looking for the next "undiscovered" thislisty band may want to
check out "The Changelings"
(www.mindspring.com~mkinsey/changelings/home.html) from Atlanta and "Squonk
Opera" (http://squonkopera.com/) from Pittsburgh.


Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:28:23 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: SYMPTOMATIC 4AD BULLSHWAG: Finding HNIA


Yes, some people haven't found it yet and SOME people were able to buy it
this past weekend...4 days early!
What's up, 4AD?
CJ


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