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Subject: Re: SnoozeGirl and no more flaming on my part.
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:55:45 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: SnoozeGirl and no more flaming on my part.
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:07:03 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Topics......
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:17:48 EDT
From: Sillyme (102465.41@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:25:28 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:23:32 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Cocteau Twins / Dead Can Dance
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:57:38 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:39:23 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:11:09 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: DCD - ISTANBUL NOT CANCELLED
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:47:02 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 00:21:57 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@u.washington.edu)
Subject: This Rimy Ltd. - Sometime
Date: 05/07/96 21:54
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: stuff for sale (fax, rephlex, 4ad, etc.)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:19:01 +0200
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 00:52:43 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Geurnica Stuff / 4AD Catalogue
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 00:50:35 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 03:15:18 -0600
From: cottage cheese for christ (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: DCD - ISTANBUL NOT CANCELLED
Date: 08/07/96 08:25
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:22:10 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins (was Spiritchaser)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 04:13:48 -0700
From: "L.K. Grier" (lkg@phantom.com)
Subject: Geurnica Stuff and outdated catalogues??
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:02:18 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Geurnica Stuff and outdated catalogues??
Date: 08/07/96 10:01
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid, was Geurnica Stuff and outdated catalogues??
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:13:35 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Spoonfed Hybrid, was Geurnica Stuff and outdated catalogues??
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 05:17:18 -0700
From: Josh Gentry (josh@ASU.EDU)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:05:59 -0400
From: fnord prefect (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: PV
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 15:59:16 MET-DST
From: LUESCHEN RALF FB4 (LUESCHEN@HRZ1.PCNET.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE)
Subject: Re: Caroline Crawley
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:48:05 -0400
From: fnord prefect (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: NDN:
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:48:17 EST
From: Network Manager (system@WI.MIT.EDU)
Subject: HELP WANTED!!
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:25:12 -0500
From: Timothy Kowalsky (gothicpoet@IQUEST.NET)
Subject: Re: Topics......
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:05:00 -0400
From: fnord prefect (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins / Dead Can Dance
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:15:49 -0400
From: fnord prefect (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:00:22 -0400
From: fnord prefect (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Lollapalooza: Can U Imagine DCD opening for Metallica????
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:24:44 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: lisa gerrard better???
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:33:59 -0400
From: Shar Everett (ISOBL202@AOL.COM)
Subject: DCD in NYC...
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:52:00 -0400
From: Craig Gordon (cgordon1@MAGIC.HOFSTRA.EDU)
Subject: Re: generic and eternal 'e'ness
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:24:27 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:25:17 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: a bonfire and i forgot my marshmellows
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:06:41 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: really really good music
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:03:38 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: a bonfire and i forgot my marshmellows
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:21:21 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:57:20 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: really really good music (mojave)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:29:35 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: a bonfire and i forgot my marshmellows
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:51:22 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: to UK CT fans
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:52:39 -0400
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: What the hell is wrong with those 4AD artists?
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:42:36 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:48:08 -0500
From: Martin A. HOYT[SMTP:MAHOYT@UCI.EDU]
Subject: Re: to UK CT fans-Violane
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:29:19 GMT
From: Bruce Philp (daisy@MAIL.BOGO.CO.UK)
Subject: Booth and the Bad Angel
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 15:40:47 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Re: really really good music (mojave)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 18:26:34 +0000
From: Sunday Records (sunday@PYROTECHNICS.COM)
Subject: supreme elvia thread v1.1 (more non4adisms)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:48:50 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: non4ad - it's about the Cure tour...
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 18:10:53 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: virgina astley
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:13:05 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: Re: Velour 100 review
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 19:59:09 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: supreme elvia thread v1.1 (more non4adisms)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:22:44 -0500
From: frank mark r (mrf546t@NIC.SMSU.EDU)
Subject: PROLAPSE!
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:08:52 -0400
From: Susan F Curran (warped@WORLD.STD.COM)
Subject: Re: supreme elvia thread v1.1 (more non4adisms)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:54:14 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Shelleyan Orphan Discography
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:29:10 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)

Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:55:45 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: SnoozeGirl and no more flaming on my part.


>You cannot end what you have started. You have thrown a bomb into a
>crowd of people and you expect us to defuse it ourselves. I ask you again
>to display some courage and/or integrity and back up ANY of your claims
>about ANY of us.
>
>
>   e,

E, as you like to put it, read the archives.  I can see that you understand
what it means to have good manners on the net. No problem. This flame war
ends here and now. If I am the only person that stands up to you, so be it.
See you on the ambient list, oh,  Captain Courageous.

P.S. My modem is bigger than your modem ;)

==================================================
"Keep Peace With Your Soul. Strive to be Happy. It's Not Easy Fighting the
20th Century."
              In The Nursery
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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:07:03 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: SnoozeGirl and no more flaming on my part.


On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:

> As for einexile. He will still be obnoxious and I am still going to TRY to
> put him in his place...equals amongst the tribe - 4ad.

It's not necessary to flame anyone to provide evidence for accusations
that you have already made. I still don't see you doing that. You simply
spew whatever you feel might be the truth and expect everybody to swallow
it. Maybe it doesn't qualify as character assassination if the accusor
has zero credibility, but I don't see why I--or kj, or SriLank, or Jens,
etc, etc--should just sit here and take it simply to appease a few
whiners with 2400 baud modems and spines made of cartilage.

You cannot end what you have started. You have thrown a bomb into a
crowd of people and you expect us to defuse it ourselves. I ask you again
to display some courage and/or integrity and back up ANY of your claims
about ANY of us.


   e,


 who has been with ten access providers
 and has NEVER complained about "bandwidth"



While you are waiting...
1. If you like the Insides, listen to Mysteries of Science.
2. If you like Opus III, listen to The Waterlilies.
3. Drink Tazo.
4. Go an' see ID4.

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:17:48 EDT
From: Sillyme (102465.41@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Topics......


Flame me to death because this has probably been re-hashed on this list SO many
times- but (I think) this is my first ever post to this here list so forgive me,
but does anybody know if The Moon and The Melodies is available or is it out of
print? Secondly- will TMC ever exist past Blood......

Sorry to pick at the bones...

Who is this HNIA, anyway????

Sillyme, 102465,41@compuserve.com

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:25:28 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*


"Elvia M. Tarango"  writes:

> Oh, i'm so hurt. Oh, by the way, I spell perfectly fine...especial the word
> "WRITE" or do you spell it right...i'm sorry, I live in a cosmopolitan
> area, not up their in the back mountains - we have running water.

Nothing quite like being condescended to by an imbecile, is there?

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:23:32 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins


"C.K. Coney"  writes:

> Oh, stop, already. No one called CT "Paragons of Change"...this is getting
> REALLY childish! You're entitled to your opinion, but please stop making
> things up...it makes you sound rather stupid and ill-intended.

Quoth the famous statement from C.K. Coney that started this

> I totally disagree with you re: Cocteau Twins, who you obviously refer to
> here. They have evolved over the years, each album has a totally different
> sound from the next [...]

QED.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:57:38 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: Cocteau Twins / Dead Can Dance


I am really upset about this CT-DCD "war" that is going on.
Personally speaking, I think both bands are great and have
done incredible things. However it would be absolutely wrong
to compare them in any way... I can even quote Robin Guthrie
himself saying "We don't like to be compared to a band like DCD,
who makes sad and pretentious music." They are just soo different.
Plus, it would be silly to assume that two bands would, should
develop into similar directions. I prefer to think that the two
bands have been the vanguards of good music.
Thanx

Umur Cy Celikyay

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:39:23 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*


"Elvia M. Tarango"  writes:

> P.S. Who in the hell are you? Let me guess, another apostle of e?

YM "thinking human being".  HTH.

HAND.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:11:09 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*


At 7:25 AM 7/8/96, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>"Elvia M. Tarango"  writes:
>
>> Oh, i'm so hurt. Oh, by the way, I spell perfectly fine...especial the word
>> "WRITE" or do you spell it right...i'm sorry, I live in a cosmopolitan
>> area, not up their in the back mountains - we have running water.
>
>Nothing quite like being condescended to by an imbecile, is there?
>
>--
>(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

I am so sorry. I know not having running water is tough and unfortunate.  I
hope the C.A.R.E. package I sent helps you out.  It's so great to know that
you are using a generator to run your 286 or was that a Apple II? Well, let
me say that your comments really struck a nerve and I itched accordingly.

P.S. Who in the hell are you? Let me guess, another apostle of e?

Fred "I Am Wondering Why This Flame War Is Still Going On?" Collins

P.I.S.S.

Remeber all the times the "Friends" of e and e complained about flaming and
bandwidth? I guess it doesn't apply to them.  Do they run this list? I
think they think they do.

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:47:02 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: DCD - ISTANBUL NOT CANCELLED


Dear Friends;

I have the privilege to announce that the July 4th Istanbul date of
DCD was NOT CANCELLED! Lisa was not sick, but quite in form actually.
They played mostly from "SpiritChaser," some form "Toward the
Within" and "Into the Labyrinth." Their sound was excellent
and I was really excited, since this was the first time I saw them.
(actually the first time for Istanbul as well) The venue (Cemil Topuzlu
Acikhava Tiyatrosu) was packed. That means 7000 people folks! I did
not know DCD was so popular in Turkey. (or anywhere!)

I will post the playlist as soon as as learn the names of the new
songs.. The concert featured another first; before the concert I actually
bought an imported, licenced copy of "SpiritChaser." It was about high
time. For the  last 8 years I had gotten used to the idea that I would
have to beg someone to bring me a copy of a particular new 4ad album
form France or Germany. I usually waited for months, things got lost
on the mail, and I ended up paying  a lot more... So I am delighted to
to welcome 4ad to Turkey -- officially. I guess this also solves another
important problem that I had mentioned in my article last year. I was
very pissed off with people who shamelessly ripped off DCD's music
and used it in cheap fashion shows and stupid refrigerator commercials.
I am talking for this country only, however I know this problem is
a rather common problem thru-out the world. Let's hope that this new
licence deal will protect artist like DCD...

(4ad Distribution for Turkey:
Cod Muzik, Atlas Pasaji, no 16. Beyoglu - Istanbul)

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 00:21:57 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@u.washington.edu)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post


> Fred "I Am Wondering Why This Flame War Is Still Going On?" Collins

mmm, could it be because you continue to reply to every post in this
thread?  i don't care if you keep this thing going.  just don't think
you're fooling anyone by trying to claim this moral high ground or
whatever.  Do you really want it to end?  ok, then shut up.

this list is full of people who love to get the last word.  reminds me of
my sister.

aaron
who is a confident poster because he beat marathon 2 today :)

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:14:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: This Rimy Ltd. - Sometime


     I phoned 4AD Mail Order in London on July 5 and the books were in the
     office then. They were waiting for some special packaging from the USA
     so that the books wouldn't get damaged in the post. For those people
     who are going to collect them by hand they are available NOW!! The guy
     at 4AD said they should be received through the post in the next 2
     weeks.

     Paul.
     Paul.Walsh@Petrolite.co.uk


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: This Rimy Ltd. - Sometime

Date: 05/07/96 21:54 Greetings, I was in LA last weekend for an education conference and had a chance to go over to Arcana in Santa Monica and the owner said that Vaughn was there last week and they were expecting their ltd. edition Rimy's very soon. Vaughn has "been assured" that they are almost finished. For what its worth. Layne laynemc@snowcrest.net

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:19:01 +0200
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Re: stuff for sale (fax, rephlex, 4ad, etc.)

              from mark frank on Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:10:54 -0500)

Thog use new mailtool.  Thog reply to list instead of
sender.  Thog bad neolithic programmer.

grant..


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 00:52:43 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post


At 12:21 AM 7/8/96, Aaron Thorne wrote:
>> Fred "I Am Wondering Why This Flame War Is Still Going On?" Collins
 then shut up.
>
>this list is full of people who love to get the last word.  reminds me of
>my sister.
>
>aaron

O.K., I'll shut up. You first.

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 00:50:35 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Geurnica Stuff / 4AD Catalogue


4AD sent me the mail order catalogue at the time of the

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 03:15:18 -0600
From: cottage cheese for christ (joroses@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*


Elvia M. Tarango said, Elvia M. Tarango said:

> Remeber all the times the "Friends" of e

friends of e? is that like an mci savings program? or is it another term
for a 'raver'? ;) please, i'm dying to know. :)
.j.

you be struck by lightning and required to lick fred's bum (in person, not
virtually.) :)

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:56:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: DCD - ISTANBUL NOT CANCELLED - LONDON WAS!!!!


It's nice to hear that Lisa made such a _miraculous_ recovery for the Istanbul
show. London was cancelled only 4 days earlier, much to the dismay of many
British DCD fans who had travelled down to see them perform.

I spoke to 4AD on July 5th, they said they would be making every effort to
convince DCD to reschedule a UK show but could not promise anything. If anyone
with any influence with DCD is reading this pleeeeeeze put the pressure on. 1
live appearance in the last 3 years in the UK is hardly enough when they have
such a dedicated following. Also, what about a show 'up North' - Manchester has
some excellent venues - large, small .... whatever they want.

Paul.
Paul.Walsh@Petrolite.co.uk

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: DCD - ISTANBUL NOT CANCELLED

Date: 08/07/96 08:25 Dear Friends; I have the privilege to announce that the July 4th Istanbul date of DCD was NOT CANCELLED! Lisa was not sick, but quite in form actually. They played mostly from "SpiritChaser," some form "Toward the Within" and "Into the Labyrinth." Their sound was excellent and I was really excited, since this was the first time I saw them. (actually the first time for Istanbul as well) The venue (Cemil Topuzlu Acikhava Tiyatrosu) was packed. That means 7000 people folks! I did not know DCD was so popular in Turkey. (or anywhere!) I will post the playlist as soon as as learn the names of the new songs.. The concert featured another first; before the concert I actually bought an imported, licenced copy of "SpiritChaser." It was about high time. For the last 8 years I had gotten used to the idea that I would have to beg someone to bring me a copy of a particular new 4ad album form France or Germany. I usually waited for months, things got lost on the mail, and I ended up paying a lot more... So I am delighted to to welcome 4ad to Turkey -- officially. I guess this also solves another important problem that I had mentioned in my article last year. I was very pissed off with people who shamelessly ripped off DCD's music and used it in cheap fashion shows and stupid refrigerator commercials. I am talking for this country only, however I know this problem is a rather common problem thru-out the world. Let's hope that this new licence deal will protect artist like DCD... (4ad Distribution for Turkey: Cod Muzik, Atlas Pasaji, no 16. Beyoglu - Istanbul)

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:22:10 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*


On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, noisegirl wrote:

> > Look Nosegirl...
>        ~~~~~~~~
>   oh, you are SO funny. or is that another one of your typos? hard to

Come *on*, kids!  What is it, allergies or something?  Can't stand
the sunny summer weather?  Geez...

This ain't a debate list, sorry.  [And no, I won't argue that point.]  Do
we all remember what "private mail" is?  I thought so.  Thank you.

Mike

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 04:13:48 -0700
From: "L.K. Grier" (lkg@phantom.com)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins (was Spiritchaser)


yes...."song to the siren"....one of the most beautiful things in the whole
wide world...where else to find any like it? other TMC albums i've sampled
haven't been too similar. (will look for "green")

>  From: "C.K. Coney" , on 7/8/96 1:50
>  As for yer question "what would (sic) like to hear from the Cocteaus?" Well,
>  I too like the bluesy Liz, and I did love "Song to the Siren"! She has great
>  vocal styling skills...damn good for a white chick!
>
> Did you get to see CT during the recent tour? They did an unreleased song
> called "Green" (aka "Touch Upon Touch") that's in this bluesy vein...I liked
> it alot as it really showcases the lower end of Liz's amazing range. I would
> hope they go in this direction, tho I do also like the minimalist
> instrumental stylings of "Otherness" (and I think it's also funky/soulful as

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:02:18 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Geurnica Stuff and outdated catalogues??


I received the 4AD catalogue at the time of the Schism EP (it had the
flyer in it, as well as details of Joe Friday). This catalogue is pretty
outdated as a number of articles I ordered, were not available any longer
(eg. A Day 12", Official Colourbox...). Can anyone tell me if there is a more
recent catalogue available. How often do they update and publish these
things? It doesn't even list the Dizzy EP by the Muses.......

Secondly, this catalogue lists a few Geurnica releases. Now I know there havn't
been too many of these -  is the list in this catalogue complete? I think it lis
s about
6 groups (Unrest, Insides, Spoonfed Hybird, Bette Serveat, That Dog,
Underground Lovers?). Have there been subsequent releases. I just picked up
Spoonfed Hybrid on vinyl (with the 7") and F.F.R,R (Unrest) on CD. I already
had Isabel Jones EP and Perfect Teeth (OK stuff, I suppose, so no surprises
with F.F.R.R.). But Spoonfed Hybrid!!!???  Damn, this stuff is good. Yes it is I
n Masters
and Chris Trout, and yes it goes through an entire spectrum of sounds, and yes I
want more. Is there more??

What does That Dog sound like. Who are they....??

Questions Questions.........

Sir h C

PS.   Sorry to clutter up the list with non-flaming content  ;)


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:38:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Geurnica Stuff and outdated catalogues??


     The catalogue is seriously out of date, there was a small update flier
     sent out around the end of 1995 which lists deletions and additions
     but I've had nothing since. 4AD keep promising to update so keep your
     fingers crossed.

     Guernica was an offshoot from 4AD to showcase new bands. Apart from
     the official releases the only other stuff I've got off the label is

     Underground Lovers Promo 12"
     Guernica Sampler 12" (Underground Lovers and Unrest)
     Guernica Sample CD (Spoonfed Hybrid, Insides, That Dog).

     If you want more details let me know.

     The only other Spoonfed Hybrid release I've got is a ltd 7" through
     some French label which I got direct from Ian by responding to an
     advert in NME, I've also got the ESP Summer 10" and ESP Continent CD
     through Ian. In Ian's last bulletin he did mention the possibility of
     further Hybrid releases, I've written to him recently so when I get a
     reply I'll post the outcome.

     Paul.
     Paul.Walsh@Petrolite.co.uk


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Subject: Geurnica Stuff and outdated catalogues??

Date: 08/07/96 10:01 I received the 4AD catalogue at the time of the Schism EP (it had the flyer in it, as well as details of Joe Friday). This catalogue is pretty outdated as a number of articles I ordered, were not available any longer (eg. A Day 12", Official Colourbox...). Can anyone tell me if there is a more recent catalogue available. How often do they update and publish these things? It doesn't even list the Dizzy EP by the Muses....... Secondly, this catalogue lists a few Geurnica releases. Now I know there havn't been too many of these - is the list in this catalogue complete? I think it lists about 6 groups (Unrest, Insides, Spoonfed Hybird, Bette Serveat, That Dog, Underground Lovers?). Have there been subsequent releases. I just picked up Spoonfed Hybrid on vinyl (with the 7") and F.F.R,R (Unrest) on CD. I already had Isabel Jones EP and Perfect Teeth (OK stuff, I suppose, so no surprises with F.F.R.R.). But Spoonfed Hybrid!!!??? Damn, this stuff is good. Yes it is Ian Masters and Chris Trout, and yes it goes through an entire spectrum of sounds, and yes I want more. Is there more?? What does That Dog sound like. Who are they....?? Questions Questions......... Sir h C PS. Sorry to clutter up the list with non-flaming content ;)

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:13:35 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Spoonfed Hybrid, was Geurnica Stuff and outdated catalogues??


On  8 Jul 96 at 10:38, Paul Walsh wrote the following about "Re:
Geurnica Stuff and outdated cat":

>      The only other Spoonfed Hybrid release I've got is a ltd 7"
>      through some French label which I got direct from Ian by
>      responding to an advert in NME, I've also got the ESP Summer
>      10" and ESP Continent CD through Ian. In Ian's last bulletin he
>      did mention the possibility of further Hybrid releases, I've
>      written to him recently so when I get a reply I'll post the
>      outcome.
>
I think someone in the States said that there was a CD out over there
which includes the tracks on the French 7". I have not seen it out in
the UK though so if you get any info, please do post it.

On a related matter I got the BEAR (Chris Trout of Spoonfed Hybrid,
AC Temple, Kilgore Trout andno doubt many others) album "Disneytime"
yesterday and if you have heard any tracks by BEAR and quite rightly
thought they were wonderful hunt down this record. It is on Che' records.

Whilst I am here I picked up a Kostars (two of Lucious Jackson with
sweet guitar pop) album Klassics with a K (Grand Royale) a while back
which includes the chillingly wonderful pop song Hey Cowboy. 4ad relevance is th
t it was recorded
and co-produced by Josephine Wigs.  I have the Hey Cowboy 7" as well,
can anyone tell me if there are anymore releases? How does the sound
relate to Luscious Jackson? I heard a few tracks years ago andwasn't
impressed. Am I missing something?

Richard


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 05:17:18 -0700
From: Josh Gentry (josh@ASU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Spoonfed Hybrid, was Geurnica Stuff and outdated catalogues??


> >      In Ian's last bulletin he
> >      did mention the possibility of further Hybrid releases, I've
> >      written to him recently so when I get a reply I'll post the
> >      outcome.

check out http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/farrago/frgo9.htm

josh

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:05:59 -0400
From: fnord prefect (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges


On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, C.K. Coney wrote:

>
> Was the artist known as Morrisey really around for over 10 years? I somehow
> thought he was fronting a band called the Smiths during part of that time?
>
        smiths split in nineteen eighty seven, and Viva Hate 
        was released in eighty-hate.  that's what, 8 years...
        and the smiths since 1983...

        speaking of witch (i'll get you my pretty.....),
        well, actually, this is 4adland, and nobody wants
        to see me go off on moz here, i would think....

        

        dan
        who is synchronicitiously listening to cemetry gates
        this very moment...

        keats and yeats are on your side, but you lose
        cuz owi-hi-hi-hi-lde is on-a mine, so shut up


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 15:59:16 MET-DST
From: LUESCHEN RALF FB4 (LUESCHEN@HRZ1.PCNET.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE) 4ad-l

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:48:05 -0400
From: fnord prefect (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Caroline Crawley


On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, Dewdrops Records wrote:
>
> All it took was one viewing of the Shatter video and I was
> hooked for life...



        hear-hear! if you can find it, i would urge you to
        check out Hellaborine. i think it was on
        rough trade in the uk, and epic in the states. out of
        print now, but soooooo good. i finally got it used
        after searching for years.

        anyone got a tape of the afforementioned 'project'
        with excure members??

        dan k
        who saw them open for the cure six years ago

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:48:17 EST
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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:25:12 -0500
From: Timothy Kowalsky (gothicpoet@IQUEST.NET)
Subject: HELP WANTED!!

              digest processor" at Jul 8, 96 00:00:47 am

I've been lurking here for awhile, and have found this list
to be (even at its worst - wink)  really lively and interesting
especially since I live in what could be termed at best a
musical backwater.

That part of this note out of the way, it's time to get down
to brass tacks...

I run a web site that's fairly successful and has been up since
December of last year.  In that time it's won some pretty nifty
awards, including listing on the Microsoft Network Pick of the Week.
The site is an Arts journal -- nothing snooty or 'too-good-for-
you' but actually a site that offers opinion/editorial and
informative/how-to articles on any areas of the arts that we
can find someone interested in writing about...  We also
include music and film reviews.

What I'd really love to include each month are a couple of good
lively discussions of some cool 4AD-ish this-listy new musical
releases (or maybe even some background material on where some
of these groups came from!)

If you'd like to spread your opinion far and wide on the web
about your favorite (or not-so)  music, and can at least peck
the keys on the keyboard with your nose for about 500 words
worth or more, I'd love to hear from you!!!
(So please -- drop me a line!)

Timothy Kowalsky
Publisher -- Akropolis
gothicpoet@iquest.net

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:05:00 -0400
From: fnord prefect (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Topics......


On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Sillyme wrote:
>
> Flame me to death because this has probably been re-hashed on this list SO man

> times- but (I think) this is my first ever post to this here list so forgive m
,
> but does anybody know if The Moon and The Melodies is available or is it out o

> print? Secondly- will TMC ever exist past Blood......


        1)moon and melodies is available. relativity records is the
          distributor in the usa, and 4ad in uk/europe.  im seeing
          copies of it in the local record stores more frequently
          now than ever before...

        2)ivo has said that TMC is done. but has also said that
          another supergroup project could happen sometime.
>
> Sorry to pick at the bones...
>
> Who is this HNIA, anyway????
>

        and dog bones too.... HNIA is His Name Is Alive, a
        group from livonia michigan who make some ok records...

        ;)
        dan k
        who reiterates his fawning admiration for all things warren...

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:15:49 -0400
From: fnord prefect (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins / Dead Can Dance


On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Umur Celikyay wrote:


>  "We don't like to be compared to a band like DCD,
> who makes sad and pretentious music." They are just soo different.
> Plus, it would be silly to assume that two bands would, should
> develop into similar directions. I prefer to think that the two
> bands have been the vanguards of good music.
> Thanx


        the pot calling the kettle black, dontcha think?
        oh that the twins were more sad and pretentious
        . lets play what do CT and DCD have
        in common:

        1)4ad
        2)Started out post-punk goth
        3)female vocalists both sing private gobbeldygook language
        4)pretention
        5)sadness (at least in pre-milk and kisses CT)
        6)concern with expressing hopelessly complex states of
          emotion without using words.

        7)often copied, never duplicated
        8)singer used to be romantically involved with male
          counterpart, now not, and still amicable to eachother
        9)liz and lisa. sounds the same
       10)liz and lisa both are moms now.
       11)for some reason, every CT fan i know is also into CT,
          and vice-a-versa
       12)CT were once the house band of 4ad. now DCD are


        etc....


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:00:22 -0400
From: fnord prefect (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, C.K. Coney wrote:
> overwhelming mailbox load.
>
> However, I would like to hear from any fans of His Name Is Alive (either
> e-mailed to me privately or posted to the group) re: the sound of the band,
> the members, etc. I must admit seeing the name I think it would be a
> Christian band...am I right or wrong about this? Not that I have anything
> against Christians, per se, but I generally don't go to concerts by bands
> working within that genre.

        I've not found any overt references to any sort of organized
        religion in any hnia product to date.  their (former?) drummer
        has a record out on a christian label, and i know that warren
        went to catholic skool... the music is fantastically concerned
        with the spirt and the spiritual.  but in a metaphysical rather
        than dogmatic or orthadox sense.



>
> His Name Is Alive will be playing in Atlanta in August, and I'm wondering
> should I re-arrange some travel plans (do-able at this date) to stick around
> to see this band.
>
        their live performances have been in my opinion nothing like
        the studio records. as a knee-jerk hnia fanatic i of course
        implore you to drop everything to see them. but if i had to
        choose between hnia on headphones in the dark or hnia live
        onstage, i would be in the dark.  warren's studio abilities are
        legendary. fascinating. trippy.


> I like Cocteau Twins & DCD, and recently found Scheer & Mojave 3 (oft
> mentioned in this list) in used CD bins & like em quite a bit. So am curious
> about His Name etc.
>

        for some reason hnia are always compared to cocteautwins, this
        maybe because there's nothing else that bears the comparison.
        both use studio goodies for supernatural effects, both feature
        godlike female singing, both seem custom made for the drug
        experience....  but they arent at all alike in overall sound.
        hnia have a zillion different sounds, the cocteaus (especially
        now) seem to have only one...



        hnia are top five of all time for me. they occupy favored
        positions in the cd-towers which house my collection, being
        neighbours with dcd, cocteaus, peter murphy, love and rockets,
        this mortal coil...

        if you had to start with one cd by them, get home is in your head.
        or, if you use lsd, start with livonia

        you cant live here....

        dan k
        who knew them when they were fishcats


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:24:44 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Lollapalooza: Can U Imagine DCD opening for Metallica????


hey kids;

it could be worse, u know.  if u thought that CT playing Lolla was of bad
        taste, check this out:
Mark Geiger, the so called co-founder of Lolla wanted to get either DCD or
        CT to play one night.  as it has already been mentioned, Kirk
        hammett really wanted to play with The Cocteau Twins.
sick, don't u think?  a friend who is going to Lolla in NYC (one of those
        who refused to go to the CT show with me) was bugging me about
        "what is a Cocteau Twin?"  she, a red hot chilli pepper/GNR/megadeth
        lover; wanted to borrow my few CT's cds, "because she heard kirk
        liked them.  they must kick ass!"  tee hee, u had to see her face
        when i played Bluebeard for her.  :)))
oh, for those of u wanting to know where i read about Lolla, DCD and CT,
        check this month's Alternative Press (the one with the Sex Pistols
        on the cover).  they also have a "Low profile" article on cz's
        fave lovesliescrushing, and an article on Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn.

tchau;

JHR


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:33:59 -0400
From: Shar Everett (ISOBL202@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: lisa gerrard better???


does anyone know if lisa is feeling better?? heard a little while ago that
she was sick and was cancelling european dates?? any info would be greatly
appreciated..

thanks
isobl202@aol.com


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:52:00 -0400
From: Craig Gordon (cgordon1@MAGIC.HOFSTRA.EDU)
Subject: DCD in NYC...


Hello all,
        About a week ago I mailed the list about the NY date...
        does anyone have any info?  I don't have any here, and would like
to know if there are any tix left for the new york date - btw - did they
add another date?  Also - how much are the tix? (if there are any left)
        Thanks,
        Craig
        CGordon1@magic.hofstra.edu

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:24:27 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: generic and eternal 'e'ness


sigh

once again e you've turned a comment that was non-aggressive into fodder
for your own personal cannons. But this is no surprise.

And to address your specific concerns:
no I dont get shakey when people argue, but I do get annoyed when people
are ignorant towards one another without ever showing the desire to learn
from each others differences.
To the extent of my feeling better about our last little chat. I was
satisfied only that I feel I clarified my opinion and position on the
topic at hand since you had twisted my words trying to bring me to your
own confrontational level. Whether or not you benifited from this 'silly
sermon' or not, I really dont care. I would have hoped however that it
may have diffused something as useless as a flame war in favor of
actually talking about music.

yours ever so truly
jb

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:25:17 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


Does Warren steal your caps loc key?  It seems like all the fanatical HNIA fans
don't have one...

I'm moving to Nashville at the end of the month so I'm about to unsubscribe for
awhile while I'm turning down my email "faucet".  If I owe anyboy anything, I
will still have the same email address for awhile, so don't worry about it not
working if you need to get in touch.

Everyone take care and don't let the "yochims" or "derfs" bite you. ;)

marvynHortman

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:06:41 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: a bonfire and i forgot my marshmellows

              Jul 1996 21:55:45 -0700

elvia/fred says:

>   No problem. This flame war ends here and now.

then continues the "friends of e" flame with Lars.

 aaron justly notes:

>>   this list is full of people who love to get the last
>>   word.  reminds me of my sister.

to which elvia/fred responds:

>   O.K., I'll shut up. You first.

Now, either that is a really funny joke OR you just DON'T get it!  If you say
you're ending the flame war then end it unilaterally.  If you wanna keep feeding
the flames then do so and i'll run to the store and get some marshmellows
because this is some humorous readin'.

-cz

respond at all, or keep it up on the list.  It all depends on whether you really
meant it when you said "the flame war ends here."


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:03:38 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: really really good music


Enough of the Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance already. Someone post a
message or two about music, please. (dan, you can send me mail about the
Cocteaus and DCD any time.)


1. Shelleyan Orphan

Thanks to Brant for the Shelleyann info. I wonder why they waited until
their third album to release their best song, which they played at the LA
Cure show prior even to Century Flower's release. I bought all three
albums looking for this one song, Burst. Arguably this one song is worth
the price of all three albums combined so I don't mind.

Some fucker stole my Helleborine! Put me on the want list, please. :)

I mentioned the following before briefly but have to mention them more as
a springboard of sorts to my unreasonable requests for information. Yeah.


2. Insides, Instinct Ambient, & c..

Mysteries of Science have a track on the Instinct Ambient compilation
Ambient Systems, which is generally excellent. I mention it because it is
the most depressing, dreary thing I have heard since "I Need Feel" of of
the Every Day Shines ep. If you haven't heard that track, time to buy the
ep because the song is considerably less uplifting than either of their
albums (as Earwig or Insides). If I have to pick favorites off of
Euphoria I will say Darling Effect and Carly Simon, though yes, the
entire album is essential. If you like and miss that dreary, rainy,
somehow disturbingly happy music look into Mysteries of Science. The comp
I just mentioned also has superb work by SETI, Adham Shaikh, Human Mesh
Dance, and Facil, plus not so staggering work by Omicron, who is
nevertheless sometimes staggering. Just my monthly comp recommendation,
really, but I also have a question.

But first, an interruption just for Elvia: Elvia, if you're wondering why
I haven't responded to Gio's post on the ambient list, it's because I
respect him and can't just knock off a response like I can with you. Just
thought I'd clear that up a bit.

And now the eternal question. What the fuck are the Insides doing and why
is it taking them so long? I am starting to get angry on a regular basis
over their absence. You realize, I hope, that it has now been very nearly
three years since their last album. Ralske's Syndrome attacks.


3. The Waterlillies. Really. Opus III, too.

And now that everything from 1994 sounds kind of corny to me I can come
out of the closet and wholeheartedly recommend the second Waterlillies
album, Tempted. There are a lot of pretty dorky electronics on here--not
quite Madonna material but lamer than bad Opus III sometimes. Bangy
pianos and thumpy house beats, etc. The singer has the longest name I've
ever seen on paper and sings like Ms. Opus a little. The key here is
brilliant pop writing and some beautiful keyboard overlays. I have always
liked The Waterlillies despite the apparent whackness because of these
elements. The first album, Enveluptuosity, hinted at this near its
beginning but ruined itself over the last half with a lot of musical
theatre and fashion show shite. Tempted has a bit of the musical theatre
thing going on, but otherwise it is very strong, forgiving of course all
that needs forgiving. I mean I don't think of it much but I really love
this music, and would gladly take a new Waterlillies album in leiu of a
new Opus III or Seitn Etienne release. What day is this? Monday? I hate
being on break. Never know when my Dubstar album is coming in. >f<

Allow me to cut to the chase. When is the/a new Waterlillies album coming
out??


   einexile the angry that mercy is not out yet



(Can we get some high maintenance trolls in here, please?)


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:21:21 -0700
From: Brett Boyd (BOYDB@CSMC.EDU)
Subject: Re: a bonfire and i forgot my marshmellows


  THat's MARSHMALLOWS, RIGHT?

HE HE HE HE HE
bRETT

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:57:20 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*


This whole problem could be solved if everyone involved would look into
getting an email client (I recommend Eudora or Claris Emailer) that
allows filtering. It's then a matter of moments to have all mail from
e.g. Elvia/Derf deleted unread. (Derf can instead delete everyone else's
mail, if it upsets him so.) I've been doing it for months and it's really
helped my blood pressure.
On any list there are going to be idiots who can't write their way out of
a paper bag and nonetheless like to write long messages full of vitriol.
Best thing to do is simply to ignore them.
I'm pretty sure that a filter-capable email client is within everyone's
reach. I haven't used a command-line based Unix mail program in, oh, a
decade but I'm certain the state of the art has reached them too. Look
into it, it'll prolong your life.

(Some reviews forthcoming. Bought M&K and, after a few songs that were
enjoyable, lost my concentration. I'll try to listen to it again.
Transglobal Underground, on the other hand, are mighty fine.)

__________          ___________________          ________________________
Jens Alfke          OpenDoc Optimizator          jens@apple.com     [work]
                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

       "Bobby, jiggle Grandpa's rat so it looks alive, please."
                                            _____________________________
                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:29:35 -0700
From: Aaron Thorne (fearless@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: really really good music (mojave)


On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
>
>    einexile the angry that mercy is not out yet

Speaking of the mercy ep thing, has a tracklist been released?  First song
is a reworking of mercy w/orchestra, correct?  Unless someone has heard
otherwish, I believe the others will be the three newies they played on
the Lush tour.  They are "Trying to reach you" (the "I've got her number
on my wall" song), "One More Time", and an untitled song.
has a release date been announced and then pushed back?

aaron

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:51:22 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: a bonfire and i forgot my marshmellows


Everyone on this list will read this: If you stop, i'll stop. Very simple.

Fred "Peace negotiations" Collins

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:52:39 -0400
From: FA ken clinger (clinger@DUQ2.CC.DUQ.EDU)
Subject: to UK CT fans


The Cocteau Twins list is down (after everyone received several hundred
message reject notices) so I thought I'd try here.

The latest release date for the Violaine singles was today, July 8th. Can
anyone in the UK verify that they actually were released?

Thanks,

Ken


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:42:36 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: What the hell is wrong with those 4AD artists?


A few weeks ago I wanted to see Scheer in Amsterdam: cancelled, then the
Dead Can Dance show: cancelled. This week I wanted to see The Amps in
What the hell is wrong with those 4AD artists?

Oh, and last weeks Mazzy Star concert in Amsterdam: cancelled!

So four-and-a-half of the five concerts I wanted to see last month were
cancelled (the fifth one was the second Dead Can Dance show in Amsterdam;
cancelled after one hour). I think I'm going to become a Brian Adams/Tina
Turner/Toto/Bon Jovi fan... because they're touring all the time, every
year and always perform. (but their music makes me sick so I won't be able
to go...)


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, July 8, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:48:08 -0500
From: Kevin Sample (stdkls01@UNX1.SHSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges


----------
From: Martin A. HOYT[SMTP:MAHOYT@UCI.EDU]
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges


Dez wrote:


I think whether or not you "deify" the current CT output depends on when
you
first started listening to the CT.  I find that people who were introduced
to the Cocteaus by HOLV-era stuff tend to prefer the newer material to the
mid-80's stuff.  Whereas those of us who discovered them earlier are less
enamored with their more recent output.  Reasons for liking CT based on
hearing "Five Ten Fiftyfold" (my first exposure), are bound to be very
different from those based on hearing "Pur".
 [clip, clip]
Martin

I think that's a sweeping generalization--the first CT song I ever heard
was "Carolyn's Fingers", and the first whole album I ever listened to was
HOLV, yet I listen to _Treasure_ and _Garlands_ more than anything else in
my collection.  I think it's more a matter of interest in the band than
"inital exposure" as to one's preferences--i.e., the more one explores
"older" CT stuff (pre-HOLV) the more one begins to appreciate it. Fans of
the newer stuff exclusively (and please don't get me wrong--I DO NOT think
liking FCC is a sin!  "Summerhead" is one of my favorite songs!) simply may
not have much exposure to older stuff....  Which does't mean they don't
like it....

just my $.02


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:29:19 GMT
From: Bruce Philp (daisy@MAIL.BOGO.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: to UK CT fans-Violane


At 04:52 PM 7/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>The Cocteau Twins list is down (after everyone received several hundred
>message reject notices) so I thought I'd try here.
>
>The latest release date for the Violaine singles was today, July 8th. Can
>anyone in the UK verify that they actually were released?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ken
>
>Yes, the single was out today.

CD1 is violane, circling girl & alice.
CD 2 is violane, smile (new song) & tranquil eye ( Green/Faye wong
collaboration, but different to albumn version)

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 15:40:47 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Booth and the Bad Angel


KNDD, that nasty 99.999% grunge station here in Seattle that I only listen to
when I'm changing CDs, had Tim and Angelo in the studio for an interview this
afternoon.  I only caught the last 15 minutes or so of it, they played about
three songs, including "Fall in Love With Me", and two others I don't remember
the titles to, but one was about Tim's father dying.  Anyway, they said the
album will be released in the US on August 22, and the single (didn't catch
which one, but I recorded what I heard, so I can check if anyone wants)will be
released very soon.

The music sounded pretty good, by the way.

Jon


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 18:26:34 +0000
From: Sunday Records (sunday@PYROTECHNICS.COM)
Subject: Re: really really good music (mojave)


is the ep import only on 4.A.D ???

> On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
> >
> >    einexile the angry that mercy is not out yet
>
> Speaking of the mercy ep thing, has a tracklist been released?  First song
> is a reworking of mercy w/orchestra, correct?  Unless someone has heard
> otherwish, I believe the others will be the three newies they played on
> the Lush tour.  They are "Trying to reach you" (the "I've got her number
> on my wall" song), "One More Time", and an untitled song.
> has a release date been announced and then pushed back?
>
> aaron
>
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:48:50 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: supreme elvia thread v1.1 (more non4adisms)


> P.S. Who in the hell are you? Let me guess, another apostle of e?

  if you don't know who lars is, you really don't belong on this list...

> Remeber all the times the "Friends" of e and e complained about flaming and
> bandwidth? I guess it doesn't apply to them.  Do they run this list? I
> think they think they do.

  if we ran this list, do you think you would still be here?

  hit me with your best shot, cosmo...

  *snOOzegirl*

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 18:10:53 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: non4ad - it's about the Cure tour...


  what are the southern california dates? i'm going 2 nights, thanks
  to my friend & her b'friend, but i forgot to ask what the dates are
  and i'd like to know ahead of schedule. if i don't ask here, i
  will undoubtedly forget to ask my friend {killed off all the wrong
  brain cells over the last 10 years}...

  btw, apologies for lending my unwarranted 75 cents to the elvia/fred
  fiasco, but i'm a taurus w/scorpio rising and i *must* have the last
  word or else.... :)

  i only pick on typos to be a bitch,
  *k*

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:13:05 -0400
From: bruce levenstein (bruceL@INTERRAMP.COM)
Subject: Re: virgina astley


>Tender
>1985    7"      ???
>Tender / ???
>1985    12"     EKR 21 T        UK - Elektra/WEA
>Tender / Mindless Days / Tender
>(instrumental) / A Long Time Ago
>(existence of a UK 7" is unknown; I have seen a Japanese 7")

there is indeed a uk 7". i have it.

1985 7"  EKR 21 Elektra
Tender/ A Long Time Ago

-bruce

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bruce levenstein
brucel@interramp.com
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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 19:59:09 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Velour 100 review

              <"cz"@Jul>

hi all...

i just got back from the cornerstone festival and i had the pleasure
of seeing velour 100 in concert.  live, the songs were incredible and
amon's voice seemed even better than it does on the album.  it was
about 20 or 30 minutes long, so they couldn't do a whole lot of
material; it left me wanting more.  they reproduced the swirling
sounds of the album extremely well.  the only complaints i have was
that i was standing(i wqanted  to simply sit and relax while
listening) and that i was standing by 4 guys who insisted on
tlking quite loudly while everyone else was trying to enjoy the music.
however, those are small complaints and i highly recommend velour 100;
if they're ever in your area, go see them.  btw, i got to talk to trey
for a little bit and he's a really nice guy!

jason

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:22:44 -0500
From: frank mark r (mrf546t@NIC.SMSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: supreme elvia thread v1.1 (more non4adisms)


On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:

> >  *snOOzegirl*
>
> Let me guess, you still want a flame war, right?
>
> Fred "Snooze control" Collins


perhaps she does, but does anyone else?


mark


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:08:52 -0400
From: Susan F Curran (warped@WORLD.STD.COM)
Subject: PROLAPSE!

              96 05:39:43 am

Hey,

Just wanted to remind everyone that PROLAPSE  are going to be at Brownies
tomorrow night (tuesday) at 10 pm opening for the gigolo "umm, a gig is a
gig, right?" aunts

come see mick and linda hurling verbal abuse at each other. and don't
forget to duck!

bostonians - come see them at the middle east downstairs  on thursday
opening for bailter space

miss them today, kick yourself tomorrow.


-Susan


"what are you wearing those glasses for, ya slimy git?"


Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:54:14 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: supreme elvia thread v1.1 (more non4adisms)


>On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
>
>> >  *snOOzegirl*
>>
>> Let me guess, you still want a flame war, right?
>>
>> Fred "Snooze control" Collins
>
At 9:22 PM 7/8/96, frank mark r wrote:
>perhaps she does, but does anyone else?

As a wanna-be-captain-of-the-record-industry, I decree peace and prosperity
among the people of this land known as 4ad. Let us rejoice in the sounds of
4ad.

Fred "Soma" Collins

Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:29:10 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Shelleyan Orphan Discography


Here is the complete Shelleyan Orphan discography.
Send corrections or additions to Brant Nelson,
nelson@astro.ucla.edu

A Shelleyan Orphan web page is located at
It has some images and lyrics, but the discography below
is much more complete.

As far as what is still in print goes, I believe it's only
Century Flower and Humroot. I have seen both on various
CD online services.

Helleborine
-----------
UK LP Rough Trade Rough 97
   CD             Rough 97 CD
Midsummer Pearls and Plumes / Epitaph Ivy and Woe / Blue Black Grape /
One Hundred Hands / Cavalry of Cloud / Southern Bess (a field holler) /
Anatomy Of Love / Helleborine / Jeremiah / Seeking Bread and Heaven /
Melody of Birth

US LP Columbia CK 40545
   CD??? (was one ever released?)
Southern Bess (a field holler) / Anatomy Of Love / Blue Black Grape /
Jeremiah / Cavalry of Cloud / Midsummer Pearls and Plumes /
Epitaph Ivy and Woe / Helleborine / One Hundred Hands /
Seeking Bread and Heaven / Melody of Birth

Note the slightly different track order. Also features
a completely different version of "Anatomy Of Love".
I think there are also some other very subtle differences,
but I haven't documented them (ie. I seem to remember that
"Epitaph Ivy and Woe" is a little bit longer on the UK version,
but I haven't looked into it.) Lyrics are included with all releases.

Cavalry Of Cloud EP
-------------------
UK 12" Rough Trade RTT 170
   7"??
   CD??
Cavalry Of Cloud / Tangled Perpetual / One Hundred Hands (for Strings)

The title track is identical to the LP version. "Tangled Perpetual"
is a wonderful non-LP track, and One Hundred Hands is a different recording.
This is reportedly the second version of Cavalry Of Cloud they recorded
The first one was replaced because the band thought it sounded too twee.
Now THAT would be something to hear!

Anatomy of Love EP
------------------
UK 12" Rough Trade RTT 207
   7"??
   CD??
Anatomy Of Love / Harmony Drone / Theme

Title track is from the LP, while the other two are unique to this EP.

Century Flower
--------------
UK LP Rough Trade Rough 137
   CD             Rough 137 CD
Shatter / Timeblind / Tar Baby / Self / Summer Flies / The Silent Day /
Century Flower / Amanita Muscaria / Between Two Waves / A Few Small Hours

The LP was mastered at 45 rpm and I believe
The sleeve has a clock face imprint on the flower image in Roman numerals,
and the inner sleeve includes lyrics.

US LP Columbia
   CD          CK 45198
(same track order)

LP plays at the normal 33 rpm. Includes a completely
different version of "Between Two Waves".

Shatter EP
----------
UK 12" Rough Trade RTT 217
    7"
   CD
Shatter / Tar Baby (live) / Amanita Muscaria / Timeblind

So that's 3 LP tracks and a live studio recording, which isn't terribly
essential to hear.

Humroot
-------
UK LP Rough Trade
   CD             R2792
US CD Columbia CK 46050
Muddied Up / Dead Cat / Fishes / Burst / Sick / The Little Death /
Big Sun / Dolphins / Mull / Long Dead Flowers / Swallow /
Supernature On A Superhighway

No differences to report this time. Advance copies from Columbia have
a very subtly different mix of "Burst". It's so minor that if Columbia hadn't
told me they were going to remix it I'd have never noticed. Also the last song
was listed as "Loop" on the advance, while left unmarked on the true release.

Burst promo single
------------------
I have never seen one, and as far as I know, this was just a one-track
cassette or cd.

Waking Up promo CD
------------------
US CD Columbia CSK 4657
Burst (remix) / Dead Cat / Supernature On A Superhighway / Late Night /
Shatter / Summer Flies / Cavalry Of Cloud / Southern Bess (A Field Holler)

This features tracks from all three albums, plus a song from
This Mortal Coil's Blood album.

KCRW radio show
---------------
They appeared live on KCRW's Snap around the time of their
gig with the Cure in Los Angeles. They played lots of songs,
including The Silent Day, and Burst, and at one point the
piano player entertained with a seamless combination of
Tubular Bells and Lionel Ritchie's Hello.

Compilation Tracks
------------------
"Ice" on a Columbia promo CD called New Edge Music (CSK 2230).
Also included on a Columbia compilation called Acoustic Christmas.
It's a slow Christmas song sung by Caroline.

"Suffer Dog" on The Liberator, sort of an Animal Rights tribute album,
on Deltic Records (UK, Delt 3 CD).
It's an anti-vivisection tune sung by Jemaur.

They also contributed a cover song to some tribute album.
Velvet Underground, Lou Reed, or something. Obviously I don't have it,
so if someone could fill me in, I'd be grateful.

Other groups
------------
This Mortal Coil - Blood
A few tracks were sung by Caroline: "Mr. Somewhere",
"Late Night" and "Help Me Lift You Up".

Spiritualised - Pure Phase
Caroline sings on one song.

Ether
Performed at 4AD's 13 Year Itch. The group consisted of Caroline
on vocals, Boris from the Cure on drums, and some others who might
have been from the Cure as well. It was all new material except
for "Late Night" from Blood. There probably are bootlegs circulating
around, and I've heard rumors that 4AD recorded parts of the whole event,
but I don't know anything for sure beyond that. I don't believe
Ether did anything after that show, and I think it was around that
time that Shelleyan Orphan disbanded for good, Caroline running off
with Boris, who left the Cure around that time too.


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