Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Subject: Re: various stuff: Area/Lush/Rollerskate Skinny/etc
Subject: Re: Lars Wars
Subject: Velour 100 review
Subject: Re: Velour 100 review
Subject: flameage, electronic, boxes, moovies
Subject: Re: various stuff: Area/Lush/Rollerskate Skinny/etc
Subject: Mary Maggie O'Hara
Subject: Re: Velour 100 review
Subject: virgina astley
Subject: For sale: old 4AD stuff (update)
Subject: Caroline Crawley
Subject: Cathal Coughlan / Trembling Blue Stars
Subject: important update: stuff for sale (fax, rephlex, etc.) (fwd)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Subject: Re: Caroline Crawley
Subject: Re: virgina astley
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Subject: Re: various stuff: Area/Lush/Rollerskate Skinny/etc
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: SnoozeGirl and no more flaming on my part.
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins
Subject: The Kelley Deal 6000
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins (was Spiritchaser)
Subject: Re: Yet more on the great Cocteau purges
Subject: generic jb post v 1.0 *frown*
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:41:32 -0700
Look Nosegirl...when Elvia got on the 4ad list he started attacking her out
of the fucking blue. I have friends who are on this list that have
mentioned the same thing on their persons. Since einexile is such an ass,
he will be treated as such. When he learns diplomacy, I will be nice to
him. When he attack others, I will attack him. Actually there are two other
fellow apostles of einexile that I have a problem with...but they're not as
rude and obnoxious as einexile. If you like his behavior so be it....but
your not on the receiving end are you?
It's real simple. All he has to do is treat people with respect.....like
everyone else on this list.
==================================================
"Keep Peace With Your Soul. Strive to be Happy. It's Not Easy Fighting the
20th Century."
In The Nursery
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--ooO-(o)-Ooo-- Pagan Man's sidekick gOD.
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 01:23:12 -0400
In a message dated 96-07-06 20:10:35 EDT, you write:
<< i like the name rollerskate skinny and 'horsedrawn wishes'even more so,
but i
hated the cd. go figure.
>>
ok if we are going to continue this thread, then i'll add my op- best disc
i've bought this year, great name (hey- at least it has a literary origin).
I strongly recommend this, but it isnt for everyone. Unfortunately, my
boyfriend agrees with the previous post. Their first disc is also said to be
excellent and has jimi shields playing drums on it.
jennifer in atlanta (2 weeks to the Olympics - HELP ME!!!)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 08:14:44 +0200
Matthew Kirkcaldie
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:43:20 +0600
Velour 100 - Fall Sounds
Okay, i'm sure this was reviewed here before but i hope i have something new to
add about Trey Many's new band *Velour 100*. I was surprised at the warmth,
beauty, and listenable experimentation that i found on this disk. There are
only two members listed, Trey and Amon Krist. Amon sings and, i presume, Trey
plays guitars, drums, etc. (who's playin' piano?). Both of Trey's 4AD bands
(Liquorice and His Name is Alive) are obvious points of reference. Velour 100
takes the straightforward melodic rock sound of Liquorice and adds some
juxtaposing sonic experimentation ala HNIA but the sound is more sparse and
introspective than you might anticipate and the percussion is often underplayed.
Parts of it remind me a little of Red House Painters without the melancholy or
perhaps the mood of Innocence Mission. Amon's voice is a real pleasure! It's
warm, down-to-earth, and perfectly pleasing. There's something really sincere
there and perhaps the only reference i can give you is Jenny's voice from
Elysium. I've only had this for a day, and though it doesn't instantly jump out
as a masterpiece it grows more dear each time i listen to it.
-cz
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 04:49:23 -0700
cz...
Thank you for one of the best reviews I've read in 4ad-l in a long time!
Your review actually makes me curious about Velour 100 enough to search
out their album. If only more posts we're like yours as opposed to the
whole "einexile"/"lars" conflict type. Good work, cz!
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 07:53:57 -0700
On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, the badass pop girly from hell wrote:
> > As your
> > last post on the ambient list, were you quote an author in length, but fail
> > to sight said author. A classic example of pure ego at work...in reality
> > it's called plagrasim.
>
> it may also be called forgetfulness. you assume too easily, and that can
> get you into trouble. just because someone refers to another's
> quotes/writings/etc. doesn't mean they are plagiarizing that person.
This would all be well and good except I stated outright that the passage
was a quotation. Elvia is of the opinion that to appropriate work from
another culture (read: race) is imperialistic, but that it is acceptable
to steal from someone who looks more like him than Pete Namlook does. All
I did was abide by Elvia's beautiful philosophy and count the achievement
of another author as my own--perfectly appropriate because the author was
white, don't you think? My people, my culture, thus my achievement.
This was, of course, a joke...but if Elvia claims to come from a
different mindset, read the ambient archives and you will see otherwise.
Why was it was necessary to drag this shit over here to defend his
unwarranted flaming of someone else? Your guess is as good as mine.
As for my treatment of Classic Elvia, *ding* there's your vendetta for
you right there. Fred is miffed at me because I insulted his fucking
girlfriend. Note the he's not bothered referring to any specific message
we might be able to look up. For that matter, I'd like to see if he can
find one single Elvia-einexile flamewar that didn't start with him
publicly insulting someone.
And please don't correct his grammar. That is like teaching a psychopath
to behave himself in public.
In fact, don't do that either.
---
And now, some relevant bandwidth. Sort of. If anyone is still reading.
Electronic - Forbidden City
---------------------------
Great title. Ace song. That jangly fun Marr stuff that made Get the
Message so goddam great, and percussion right out of Mazzy Star. Sounds
like someone shaking a great big christmas tree. Sumner's vocal melodies
are catchy and move with the chords in that emotional way, dipping into
darkness at all the right moments, finally plunging into the one of the
best interludes anyone in this band has been involved with. It's clever
and dramatic and just gorgeous. The ending may seem a bit floundering to
some; I've grown used to it and like it, and overall I place the tune
almost on a level with Get the Message and Disappointed. (I don't like
other Electronic.) Oh yeah--and there is some Will-Sergeant-circa-1984
guitar shit I just love.
You can wait for the album, though. The first b-side is a fab song at
its core, but unfortunately ruined by dorky electronics and an even worse
drum track. Think of those belief-era Nitzer Ebb remixes, except without
credibility or much variation. It just doesn't work, and I could forgive
it but it drags on and dominates the song, even stealing the show for the
last ninety seconds. It doesn't add up to a great listen.
The last of the three songs is not fab. It is weak, plodding, sloppy.
The melodies are too repetitive and the mood has a way of flopping
around, not seeming to know its proper direction. This wouldn't be so bad
if the song wasn't marred (heh) by female backing vocals that should have
been buried with the mid-eighties American top 40 radio that spawned
them. Remember Vanity? That. The track is, however, a hell of a lot
better than most of the last album, which may be bad news for hardcore
Electronic fans but leaves me looking forward to the new full length
effort.
---
The above review reminds me that I am now stuck with two copies of this,
since I think I ordered one from EAR/Rational. Which in turn reminds me
that Dave recently mentioned to me that he has five limited Milk & Kisses
boxes left. Apologies to whoever it was wrote me about the trade for the
deluxe Star. I have simply failed to get around to the mail. Please feel
free to write back and harp at me.
---
I saw Stealing Beauty. Opening day, actually, if you can believe that.
Stealing Bebauty being the new Bernardo Bertolucci film with Mazzy and
the Cocteaux on the soundtrack and the cinematographer from Delicatessen.
Boring movie, but very, very pretty, and indeed quite thislisty. Go see
it and get a feel for what John Duigan's films are like, only better.
---
Meanwhile, remember The City of Lost Children? Comes out on video July
20th, I think. Yay! Now maybe I'll be able to figure out just what the
hell happens in it...
---
I still haven't gone back to ID4 because every single person I know in
this area code came down with strep throat. =P Someone (not Elvia) please
write and allow me to like live vicariously through you and stuff.
y'all are STILL fucked up,
geek the einexile (as if that hadn't occurred to me)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 11:29:09 -0400
Jamieson" at Jul 7, 96 01:23:12 am
> << i like the name rollerskate skinny and 'horsedrawn wishes'even more so,
> but i
> hated the cd. go figure.
> >>
> ok if we are going to continue this thread, then i'll add my op- best disc
> i've bought this year, great name (hey- at least it has a literary origin).
> I strongly recommend this, but it isnt for everyone. Unfortunately, my
> boyfriend agrees with the previous post. Their first disc is also said to be
> excellent and has jimi shields playing drums on it.
>
> jennifer in atlanta (2 weeks to the Olympics - HELP ME!!!)
me, too! Greg in atlanta (who has to get to work on the GA Tech campus!!)
how will I get out to buy cd's?
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 11:45:43 -0400
Hellooo.
Not really sure about the details on this, but the Mary Margaret O'Hara's
genius LP "Miss America" is finally getting a domestic reissue (read U.S)
sometime later this summer (this is the album that features "Help Me Lift You
Up"-the T.M.C. covered dittie).
As well, there is a fairly new release by a band called the Henrys on
Bar/None entitled "Puerto Angel" that features Miss O'Hara's vocals on 4 of
the albums 13 songs, one of those being an O'Hara-penned tune. This album is
worth it for these songs if you like this coo-coo lady.
For those more in the know than me, what else has this schizoid songbird
released? I must have it all.
Bye.
Roy
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 11:09:57 +0600
04:49:23 -0700
> Good work, cz!
Wow! Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:38:46 -0500
hello all,
about once a year, i think, "where's virginia astley?" i love the
three albums i have by her, the last of which came out 10 years ago.
has she recorded anything since hope in a darkened heart?
the last reference i saw to her was in the acknowledgements in the
latest locust cd, truth is born of arguments, which isn't
surprising, since it sounds exactly like from gardens where we feel
secure...
any news is good news
also, a complete discography would be nice. i have from gardens,
hope, and promise nothing. anyone know of anything else?
thanks and take care,
mark
--
while she's in lace and feathers, i'm the one in clumsy shoes. pram.
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:32:24 -0500
due to a mistake on another list i=B9m on (thanks zappo), my mailbox =
filled up with mail and all my recent correspondence was lost. so, =
i=B9m going to post this again, with more details this time. thanks =
and sorry for the double post.
here=B9s what i have for sale (all vinyl):
this mortal coil (bad 310)
lonely is an eyesore (cad 703)
throwing muses (cad 607)
please make offers on whatever you want. also, i=B9d be up for =
(vinyl or cd, cd preferred) and anything by pram before helium =
(especially iron lung and gash). also, colossal youth by young =
marble giants (cd). =
everything=B9s in excellent condition except * which is in good =
condition (a few pops on the vinyl)
thanks,
mark
-- =
while she's in lace and feathers, i'm the one in clumsy shoes. pram.
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:58:14 -0400
Okay, my 4AD friends, I have a question...
Caroline Crawley of Shelleyan Orphan appeared on 1991's TMC Blood. What
connection, if any does she have to 4AD, or is she just someone that Ivo
liked? But more importantly, does anyone know what she has been up to
lately? It has been over 4 years since the last Shelleyan Orphan lp
(humroot).
thanks.
-greg
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:47:47 EDT
Cathal Coughlan - Grand Necropolitan (Kitchenware)
My favourite misanthropist takes time out from The Fatima Mansions to release
his first solo album, but to all intents and purposes, it could quite easily be
a Fatimas record. It brims with the trademark Coughlan vitriol, and musically
covers all bases from Scott Walker-esque ballads, to extremely angry industrial
rock. The last LP, Lost In The Former West, was a bit too bombastic for its own
good, to the extent that a lot of the lyrics (which are always worth careful
listening) were buried beneath a primal howl that became a little too
relentless. Whilst there's plenty of bitter noiseplay here, there's also a lot
more variation. Eerin Go Braghag is a funny, twisted tale of an Irish immigrant
to the US escaping the law by fleeing across to Mexico in the company of a beast
born of genetic experimentation. We Are The Sinister World Government, Angry
White Snail and Free And Worthless are as spite-filled as their titles suggest,
but Unbroken Ones and The Last Lamplighter are tinged with real melancholy. A
cracking album, then, from a true individual - contemptuous of everything
deserving contempt, but not at all without compassion.
Trembling Blue Stars - Her Handwriting (Shinkansen)
To be honest, the thought of an entire LP about the real break-up of a
relationship made me cringe. So I had severe misgivings about this record, even
though I was an avid Field Mice fan. There's a very thin line between melancholy
and maudlin self-pity. Someone like Leonard Cohen can get away with outrageous
doom and gloom at times, whereas someone like Trent Reznor you just want to slap
and tell to grow up. On the whole, though, Bob Wratten stays the right side of
self-piteous whining, and instead delivers an hour of poignant music. It's not
without the odd laugh either - "I'd never thought we'd end up fighting each
other / but then again, do people ever", a nice piece of self-mocking.
Musically, the album is a real treat, and there are many moments of pure beauty.
Too many highlights to mention. I hope, though, that Bob's got this out of his
system now - another record like this (lyrically) would be pushing it. Another
one like this musically would be just fine.
What else? Got the Oval mixes of Tortoise, but so far have just looked at it.
Born Slippy is straight in at number 2 in the UK charts - whoah!
I see there's another little spat going on. At least the recent Cocteau's one
which I inadvertently helped fuel (I was trying to be diplomatic, honest!) had
some relevance to what this list is about, and didn't degenerate into stupid
name-calling. I wish you fuckers would do that sort of thing in private. It's
not a spectator sport that I'm particularly interested in.
Finally, does anybody know whether 4AD are releasing the first Gus Gus album, or
is it new material they have lined up? Either way, I honestly think that they're
a band who really might rekindle the enthusiasms of some of you more jaded
old-timers out there. Potentially they could be the most exciting signing since
The Pixies and the Muses (although, like they were at the time, radically
different)
- Dez
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:44:12 -0500
hello,
due to a problem with one of the lists i'm on, my mailbox was filled up
last night and my friendly sysadministrator deleted a large chunk of my
mailbox. in the process, all my mail from the past few days has been
lost. if you responded to this post, and have not reveived the list,
please reply again and i'll get the list right out to you.
thanks for your patience and sorry for the repeated post...
mark
also i have organic cloud for sale.
i have a for sale list, including some older fax, analogue bubblebath 3,
aphex twin's on singles, and lots more, some vinyl, but mostly cd.
email me for the complete list.
thanks,
mark
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:54:03 -0700
> Look Nosegirl...
~~~~~~~~
oh, you are SO funny. or is that another one of your typos? hard to
tell with your posts, y'know...
> when Elvia got on the 4ad list he started attacking her out
> of the fucking blue.
i'm sure there was a reason for such an "attack". commenting on something
that someone posts doesn't necessarily mean it is an attack, or "flame" {to
coin generic internet geek lexicon}. it's a natural part of interaction
between people, whether their views are the same or different. institutions
of higher learning devote a fair amount of money and time to the spirit
of _debate_...
> I have friends who are on this list that have
> mentioned the same thing on their persons.
doesn't say much for your friends, does it? :) just as i wrote above,
there is probably a good reason for such comments...
> Since einexile is such an ass,
> he will be treated as such.
the same can be said of you.
> When he learns diplomacy, I will be nice to
> him. When he attack others, I will attack him.
so now you are the great defender? ready to take on e by a single
bound... this should be good. anyone want to write a "graphic novel"
based solely on the goings on between elvia/fred and e? :)
> Actually there are two other
> fellow apostles of einexile that I have a problem with...but they're not as
> rude and obnoxious as einexile.
e has apostles?
you seem to have a problem with anyone who does not agree with you.
your last name wouldn't be yochim, would it? :)
> If you like his behavior so be it....but
> your not on the receiving end are you?
i have been. i'm not a fairweather friend, and neither is e. if he
wishes to chew me out, i won't hate him for it. i may not like or
accept what he has to say, but i do have the utmost respect for him
and i do let him voice his opinions because they are *his opinions*.
just because he doesn't adore hnia the way i do, or think lovesliescrushing
are unbelievably gorgeous doesn't mean i must wreak havoc on him.
sure, i can mockingly hate him..tell him he's a big meanie and has no
taste, but i'll still consider him one of my "bestest" friends.
his "behaviour" makes him unique. if we were all on each other's
good sides 100% of the time, life would be very monotonous and dull.
> It's real simple. All he has to do is treat people with respect.....like
> everyone else on this list.
do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
regards,
kelli-jeanne
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:30:28 -0700
> Caroline Crawley of Shelleyan Orphan appeared on 1991's TMC Blood. What
> connection, if any does she have to 4AD, or is she just someone that Ivo
> liked?
She's just someone whom Ivo liked, beautiful voices addict
that he is, so he invited her to be on Blood.
Shelleyan Orphan broke up years ago after Humroot was released.
Not in any particular order, Caroline ran off with drummer Boris
from the Cure, appeared on Spiritualised's Pure Phase album, played
one show with at least two members of the Cure at the 13 Year Itch as Ether,
Ether went nowhere after that one show, and god knows what she,
not to mention Jemaur Tayle, are up to now.
The discography is pretty simple, three albums, three EPs, a
promo sampler, and
a small scattering of compilation tracks that are impossible
to track down. All the EPs have non-album tracks, and all comp
songs are unique as well. The first two albums have some major
differences between the US and UK releases, which I've posted
here numerous times before. I'll compile a discography and post it
if people aren't sick to death of hearing about them.
All it took was one viewing of the Shatter video and I was
hooked for life...
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:16:31 -0700
> about once a year, i think, "where's virginia astley?"
ONLY once a year? It's a constant question for me.
The good news is I have a friend at Rough Trade who
contacted her for me, and she's supposed to be getting in
touch with me soon for an interview. She also has a new album
due out any day now, so there's plenty of hope that all of our
questions and desires will be satisfied very soon.
> three albums i have by her, the last of which came out 10 years ago.
> has she recorded anything since hope in a darkened heart?
Yes. She had an album a few years ago called All Shall Be Well.
It came out on a Japanese label, which seems to be the only place
you can get her material these days. Everything else is out of
print, even Hope In A Darkened Heart on Geffen and the stuff on
Rough Trade. Virginia Astley is one of those special artists
who's earned a permanent place in my heart, and as a result
I've put together a complete discography, which follows:
Virginia Astley Discography
[Please send any corrections or additions to Brant Nelson
[email protected]]
She Stood Up And Cried
1981 ?? TWI 050 Belgium - Crepuscule
I know little about this, probably it's a single.
It was never released, and I think it was solo piano only.
Love's A Lonely Place To Be
1982 7" WFI 001 UK - Why Fi
Love's A Lonely Place To Be / Soaring
1982 12" WFIT 001 UK - Why Fi
Love's A Lonely Place To Be / Soaring /
A Summer Long Since Passed /
It's Too Hot To Sleep
A Bao A Qu
1982 10" WHY D8 UK - Why Fi
We Will Meet Them Again / Arctic Death / Angels Crying
/ Sanctus
>From Gardens Where We Feel Secure
1983 LP Rough 58/HA 001 UK - Rough Trade/Happy Valley
With My Eyes Wide Open I'm Dreaming / A Summer Long
Since Past / From Gardens Where We Feel Secure / Hiding
In The Ha-Ha / Out On The Lawn I Lie In Bed / Too Bright
For Peacocks / Summer Of Their Dreams / When The
Fields Were On Fire / It's Too Hot To Sleep
1989 CD CY-4457 Japan - Nippon Columbia
[complete track listing from the 1982 LP, plus the song 'Sanctus' and
the Melt The Snow EP]
Promise Nothing
1983 LP TWI-### Belgium - Crepuscule
We Will Meet Them Again / Arctic Death / Angels Crying
/ Sanctus / Love's A Lonely Place To Be / Soaring (version)
/ Futility / A Summer Long Since Passed / It's Too Hot To
Sleep
1983 LP ??? UK - WEA
1983 CS WYF5 14 Canada - Why Fi
re-issued with the artwork from the 1982 7"
Melt The Snow
1984 12" RTT 158/HA 002 UK - Rough Trade/Happy Valley
(tracks not labeled)
Melt The Snow / ? / The End Of Time
Jocelyn Pook]
'I Live In Dreams'
1984 CS PS 002 UK - Pleasantly Surprised
on Pleasantly Surprised compilation "State Of Affairs"
(later recorded as the song 'Shadows Will Fall Behind')
'Futility'
1984 CS ??? UK - NME
on an NME sampler tape under the name
"Ravishing Beauties" which as far as I know is the
same lineup as for the Melt The Snow EP
'Waiting To Fall'
1985 LP/CS TAPE1 UK - Some Bizarre
on compilation from the Some Bizarre label titled
"If You Can't Please Yourself You Can't Please Your Soul"
Tender
1985 7" ???
Tender / ???
1985 12" EKR 21 T UK - Elektra/WEA
Tender / Mindless Days / Tender
(instrumental) / A Long Time Ago
(existence of a UK 7" is unknown; I have seen a Japanese 7")
Darkness Has Reached Its End
1985 12" YZ 53T UK - WEA
Darkness Has Reached Its End /
Shadows Will Fall Behind / Darkness Has Reached Its End
/ The End Of Time
(Le Song) A Day, A Night
1986 12" ??? UK - WEA
(Le Song) A Day, A Night / ???
[I have never seen this]
Hope In A Darkened Heart
1987 LP WX78 UK - WEA
Some Small Hope / A Father / So Like Dorian / I'm Sorry /
Tree Top Club / Charm / Love's A Lonely Place To Be
(version) / A Summer Long Since Passed (version) /
Darkness Has Reached Its End (version) ['versions' are
completely re-recorded from the originals]
1987 LP/CD 24184 US - Geffen
[both vinyl and CD now out of print;
to date this remains the only US release she's had]
Some Small Hope
1987 12" YZ107 T UK - WEA
Some Small Hope / A Summer Long
Since Passed / So Like Dorian (instrumental)
All Shall Be Well
1992 CD COCY-9661 Japan - Nippon Columbia
My Smallest Friend / All Shall Be Well / You Take Me Away /
I Live For The Day / Love's Eloquence / Although I Know /
Martin / Blue Sky, White Sky / How I Miss You /
My Smallest Friend (instrumental)
Other Stuff:
with Victims Of Pleasure
7" When You're Young / If I Was / Sporting
Pastimes
7" + 12" Slave To Fashion / On The Game
music only
with Anne Clark
has appeared with her on a variety of recordings;
music only
with Skids
on the album Joy; music only
as The Dream Makers
appears on the Crepuscle compilation From Brussels
With Love; vocals with some male singer and also playing piano
background music for an interview with Marguerite Duras
with Pete Townshend
plays piano on "Slit Skirts"; Virginia's sister, Karen Astley
is married to Pete Townshend
with Richard Jobson
on The Ballad Of Etiquette; musical contributions only,
most notably a version of "We Will Meet Them Again";
most of this album is unlistenably pretentious poetry
readings by Jobson
with Kate St. John
she was on that 1995 album, called something like
Indescribable Night.
| Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567 | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:27:22 -0700
At 2:54 PM 7/7/96, noisegirl wrote:
>> Look Nosegirl...
> ~~~~~~~~
> oh, you are SO funny. or is that another one of your typos? hard to
> tell with your posts, y'know...
>
>> when Elvia got on the 4ad list he started attacking her out
>> of the fucking blue.
>
> i'm sure there was a reason for such an "attack". commenting on something
> that someone posts doesn't necessarily mean it is an attack, or "flame" {to
> coin generic internet geek lexicon}. it's a natural part of interaction
> between people, whether their views are the same or different. institutions
> of higher learning devote a fair amount of money and time to the spirit
> of _debate_...
Bbbbbbbe real. The he/she/it (einexile) is a mean geek. Stop making excuses
for your future husband/wife/amoeba...nosegirl.
>> Since einexile is such an ass,
>> he will be treated as such.
> the same can be said of you.
Oh, i'm so hurt. Oh, by the way, I spell perfectly fine...especial the word
"WRITE" or do you spell it right...i'm sorry, I live in a cosmopolitan
area, not up their in the back mountains - we have running water.
>
>> When he learns diplomacy, I will be nice to
>> him. When he attack others, I will attack him.
>
> so now you are the great defender? ready to take on e by a single
> bound... this should be good. anyone want to write a "graphic novel"
> based solely on the goings on between elvia/fred and e? :)
>
Called it "Justice For All"
>> It's real simple. All he has to do is treat people with respect.....like
>> everyone else on this list.
>
> do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Him/her/it first.:) Let e speak for himself for once. He knows the type of
behavior I am talking about. Let him/her/it speak...if he/she/it has a
mouth.
Have a nice day nosegirl. How many days before going back go high
school...wahwahwah.
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 16:37:31 -0700
> Bbbbbbbe real. The he/she/it (einexile) is a mean geek. Stop making excuses
> for your future husband/wife/amoeba...nosegirl.
more assumptions. how typical.
e is a he, i am a girl who loves noise music and has
a perfect nose, and i make no excuses...just valid points. however, if
that's how you wish to perceive me & e...so be it. but that's very
rude. i think you are the one with the big ego, not e....
> Oh, i'm so hurt. Oh, by the way, I spell perfectly fine...especial the word
> "WRITE" or do you spell it right...i'm sorry, I live in a cosmopolitan
> area, not up their in the back mountains - we have running water.
you make the mistake, i point it out, then you try to pin it on me? did
i write your e-mail? and what's this lame shit with the "back mountains"
and you living in a "cosmopolitan area"? you still have a spelling
deficiency, regardless of where you live, cosmoboy.
> Him/her/it first.:) Let e speak for himself for once. He knows the type of
> behavior I am talking about. Let him/her/it speak...if he/she/it has a
> mouth.
he does speak for himself. then you don't like it. then you publically
post about how you don't like what he has to say. i've read some of your
stuff from the ambient list. i'm well aware of what sort of person you are.
intelligent? perhaps. but do you use it to your advantage? i don't
think so. the more you post, the more you humiliate yourself..here or
on any other list. keep it up, cosmo...
> Have a nice day nosegirl. How many days before going back go high
> school...wahwahwah.
once again, that wry wit of yours has me in stitches. you are definately
the next big thing. jim carrey, look out. step off, robin williams.
here comes elvia/fred... hbo needs to give you a spot after dennis
miller.
i have an HS reunion next year, so it's not that long 'til i "go back"...
or is that "going back go"? :)
*kelli-jeanne*
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:46:26 GMT
Various people write:
>
>> Right now, I can't even think of any bands who've been around that long.
>> Oh yeah, Status fucking Quo! I feel like there must be more credible
>> groups who've been around for at least a decade but changed less, but I
>> can't think of them. Anyone else? Actually, what about The Wedding
>> Present?
>
>The Wedding Present and Status Quo have probably changed less, yes.
>of that have been going for ten years (Throwing Muses, The Wolfgang
>Press, Coil, Richard Kirk, Dead Can Dance, etc, etc) have changed in
>rather drastic ways...
Was the artist known as Morrisey really around for over 10 years? I somehow
thought he was fronting a band called the Smiths during part of that time?
Carol Coney
>
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:16:57 -0400
Why do we have to hash this personal name calling out in public?
If the debate is relavant to the list, besides who has the biggest ego
(which seems to be a dead heat amongst most 4ad-heads), then fine....
but who wants to read all this vitriol that is just name calling?
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:00:51 GMT
I'm fairly new to this list, and kinda on-again off-again due to
overwhelming mailbox load.
However, I would like to hear from any fans of His Name Is Alive (either
e-mailed to me privately or posted to the group) re: the sound of the band,
the members, etc. I must admit seeing the name I think it would be a
Christian band...am I right or wrong about this? Not that I have anything
against Christians, per se, but I generally don't go to concerts by bands
working within that genre.
His Name Is Alive will be playing in Atlanta in August, and I'm wondering
should I re-arrange some travel plans (do-able at this date) to stick around
to see this band.
I like Cocteau Twins & DCD, and recently found Scheer & Mojave 3 (oft
mentioned in this list) in used CD bins & like em quite a bit. So am curious
about His Name etc.
Thanks,
Carol Coney
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:00:51 GMT
At 15:29 7/7/96 +0000, you wrote:
>> << i like the name rollerskate skinny and 'horsedrawn wishes'even more so,
>> but i
>> hated the cd. go figure.
>> >>
>> ok if we are going to continue this thread, then i'll add my op- best disc
>> i've bought this year, great name (hey- at least it has a literary origin).
>> I strongly recommend this, but it isnt for everyone. Unfortunately, my
>> boyfriend agrees with the previous post. Their first disc is also said to be
>> excellent and has jimi shields playing drums on it.
>>
>> jennifer in atlanta (2 weeks to the Olympics - HELP ME!!!)
>
>me, too! Greg in atlanta (who has to get to work on the GA Tech campus!!)
>
>how will I get out to buy cd's?
Me too...argh...3 mi. from Stone Mountain venue & traffic snarls/even wrecks
when lanes change in Snellville will create utter chaos. For me it's
splitsville from July 27-Aug 5...but then I have to go out to the
airport...argh!!!HELP ME!
Carol in S'ville
>
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:15:44 GMT
At 11:50 7/5/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Dez wrote (all emphasis mine):
>
>>I think you're choosing to ignore the fact that a
>>good QUARTER of all posts here seem to be concerned with all things
>>Cocteau
>>...
>>people who simply cannot
>>understand how this dismally ordinary music gets so DEIFIED
>>...
>>But really,
>>if you lay on the hyperbole
>>...
>>you're asking to be SHOT DOWN IN
>>FLAMES.
>
>Hee hee hee, what was that about "hyperbole"?!
>
>Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>
>>Simon Hughes
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 18:49:40 -0700
I will stop flaming. I see people are getting a little bit upset about
using up valuable bandwidth.
Snoozegirl really needs to learn how to spell. Dear god. I need to learn
how to proof-read my e-mails before they go out. I'm a little quick on the
trigger.
As for einexile. He will still be obnoxious and I am still going to TRY to
put him in his place...equals amongst the tribe - 4ad.
Fred "Ending the Flame War" Collins
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:50:02 GMT
At 02:11 7/5/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Simon Hughes
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:36:10 -0700
The Kelley Deal 6000
"Go To The Sugar Altar"
There were some who had doubts about Kelley's admittedly limited musical
abilities (remember the video for "Shocker In Gloomtown" and her one note
guitar part?). Have your doubts shattered by her very musical solo bow
on U.S. indie Nice Records -- now licenced by Mercury/Polydor for release
in Canada July 24th. Joined by drummer Nick Hook, bassist Marty Nedich
and guitarist Steve Salett, Deal's 6000 will drive-thru Canada later this
month... (as written by Gerry Vogel at Mercury/Polydor)
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:50:03 GMT
At 05:36 7/5/96 +0000, you wrote:
>"C.K. Coney"