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Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 06:58:55 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: MASS-ive reissue program
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 02:53:31 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: (#47) great Cocteau purges/ plug your eyes red
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 02:17:03 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 07:22:40 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: (#47) great Cocteau purges/ plug your eyes red
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 11:01:02 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: This Rimy River (regular)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:16:10 -0400
From: Lucius Kwok (lucius@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: stuff for sale (fax, rephlex, 4ad, etc.)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:32:02 +0200
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:28:17 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: various stuff: Area/Lush/Rollerskate Skinny/etc
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:59:55 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: the neverending cocteau thing
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:12:53 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:11:04 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: more for sale stuff: cocteau twins vinyl, etc.
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:31:48 -0500
From: mark frank (mrf546t@NIC.SMSU.EDU)
Subject: Lars Wars
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 12:24:10 +1000
From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (matthewk@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU)

Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 06:58:55 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges


Simon Hughes  writes:

> Everyone agrees that Garlands was a singular CTs album but we used
> to argue over whether HOH was closer to Garlands or Treasure.  I
> claimed that Garlands was so doom-laden and harsh that HOH had to be
> closer to Treasure.  Maybe in a concrete musical sense HOH was
> closer to Garlands but its atmosphere and feel is so much lighter to
> me.

Well, HOH definitely sounds very different from both Garlands and
Treasure.  Perhaps it can be termed a transitional album?  Or, rather,
CT were flailing around for a "sound" and made Garlands and HOH before
finding something they were comfortable with in Treasure, and have
stuck to that sound/music/method ever since.

> Right now, I can't even think of any bands who've been around that long.
> Oh yeah, Status fucking Quo!  I feel like there must be more credible
> groups who've been around for at least a decade but changed less, but I
> can't think of them.  Anyone else?  Actually, what about The Wedding
> Present?

The Wedding Present and Status Quo have probably changed less, yes.
of that have been going for ten years (Throwing Muses, The Wolfgang
Press, Coil, Richard Kirk, Dead Can Dance, etc, etc) have changed in
rather drastic ways...

Anyways, back to the album that started all this:  Spiritchaser.  When
I read e's review of the album, I went "hah!  Enigma?!?  I'll give him
Enigma!  I'm going to *love* this album.  So there!".  I bought the
album the next day, and proceeded to have my love-fest.  I plonked the
album on, and swooned to all the nice sounds.  Nice sounds.  Swoosh.
Swoon.  Yawn.  Snore.

It's *crap*!  It really *is* (spit) Enigma!  Every time I listen to
the album makes me like it less.  It just sits there, not doing
anything.  Lots and lots of nice elements that they have used to do,
well, *nothing*.

It's a real crowd-pleaser, though.  No scary, nasty sounds.  Lots of
duets.  A full, deep, open sound.  Their voices sound heavenly.  Mucho
variety.

If only there was some *excitement*, some *thought*, some *tunes*
even!  It's...  My words fail me.

This is a bad album.  Not "bad for Dead Can Dance", but actually
*bad*.  As in "not good at all".

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 02:53:31 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: MASS-ive reissue program


One would hope that if 4AD was even remotely considering a Mass CD
reissue that a Wolfgang Press CD reissue of "The Burden Of Mules"
would also be an idea the label is pondering.  And should the Mass
album get a CD reissue, I hope it includes the sweet and zippy
"You And I"/"Cabbage" 7" single as well!

Here are a few other CD reissues that 4AD could ponder...

BAD 11  CD  VARIOUS ARTISTS: Presage(s)

CAD 117 CD  VARIOUS ARTISTS: Nature Mortes - Still Lives

JAD 118 CD  VARIOUS ARTISTS: Vintage 4AD Singles
            Featuring - AXIS 1, 2, 4, AD 10, 101, 102, and 103.

BAD 5   CD  REMA REMA: Wheel In The Roses
            Or could be tacked onto "The Burden Of Mules" CD...

BAD 115 CD  DANCE CHAPTER: The Final Chapter
            A compilation of AD 18 and BAD 115.

JAD 202 CD  THE BIRTHDAY PARTY/LYDIA LUNCH: Drunk On The Pope's Blood/
            The Agony Is The Ecstasy

BAD 203 CD  TONES ON TAIL: A Bigger Splash

BAD 215 CD  COLOURBOX:  Breakdown/Tarantula

BAD 310 CD  THIS MORTAL COIL: Song To The Siren
            A compilation of AD 310, BAD 310, AD 410, "Acid" from
            CAD 703 and previously unreleased tracks, which there
            ARE A FEW.  Remember when the Rough Trade 7" club was
            going to release a 7" devoted to TMC in their first slew
            of releases?

BAD 601 CD  RICHENEL: L'Esclave Endormi

CADD 607CD  THROWING MUSES: Throwing Muses
            A compilation of CAD 607, BAD 701, B-Side of MAD 706
            and early pre-4AD demo tracks

Of course, this is just a fairy tale list but one can dream, I
suppose!  When the Mass CD comes out, I know the feverish Mass
fans (and there must be units of one or at least dozens!) will be
snapping them up like there's no tomorrow!

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA


Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 02:17:03 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: (#47) great Cocteau purges/ plug your eyes red

              Jul 1996 21:05:45 -0700

 Srilanka wrote:

>   >I will take this opportunity to plug the new Fax
>   release by Redeye.

 Fred ("elvia") replied:

>   All you 4AD types...don't listen to einexile and
>   company. Get on the ambient list and buy as you see fit.
>   These guys are just trying to be
>   "somebodies".

Firstly, we're all einexile's company (except e, himself) so who ARE we going to
listen to?  Next, we already buy as we see fit and many of us appreciate a
recommendation or two.  Are you saying the new Fax Redeye release is bad?
Please tell us why.  Lastly, HUH?  "somebodies"???

-cz

but i'm beginning to think that they've both passed their prime (well, that's
been true of CT for a while now).  Neither album is the worst or best.  A
moderate in our midst ---ACK!


400 the tempers rage?  I think we need to name a law (as in, Murphey's law)
after that person.



Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 07:22:40 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*


On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:

> At 11:52 PM 7/5/96, Srilank@AOL.COM wrote:
> >
> >I will take this opportunity to plug the new Fax release by Redeye.

> >Not for the faint at heart, but if you're looking for
> >something to take your mind off of the endless arguments of 4AD yesteryear, I
> >would suggest this as a starter.

> >jason

> All you 4AD types...don't listen to einexile and company. Get on the
> ambient list and buy as you see fit.  These guys are just trying to be
> "somebodies".

Erm...and what exactly is a nobody? A person who fails to make waves on a
400 member mailing list?

I don't see why this is called for. A select few ambient artists have
become thislisty and this increases as 4adlites grow more interested in
the genre. I don't see why recommending some good records to like minded
people calls for yet another lame insult from you. It's not like anyone
here needs your permission or encouragement to ignore a recommendation,
but thanks anyway, I'm sure.

I don't see why you even bother reading or posting to these lists. It's
become pretty clear that you resent just about everyone; I think we've
all probably figured that out by now...so you really can change the
subject any time.

 e


Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 11:01:02 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: (#47) great Cocteau purges/ plug your eyes red


<< All you 4AD types...don't listen to einexile and company. Get on the
 ambient list and buy as you see fit.  These guys are just trying to be
 "somebodies".


 Fred Collins >>

"Somebodies" recommending a new release that I liked.   Yes,
hmmm...recommendation-- oh the humanity :(

jason

srilank@aol.com


Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:16:10 -0400
From: Lucius Kwok (lucius@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: This Rimy River (regular)


I was at Arcana Books in Santa Monica a few weeks ago and I asked the guy
at the counter if they had This Rimy River. He said they didn't have it,
but now I think I should have asked if they had the regular edition. How
hard is it to get the regular edition? In the Philadelphia area, the only
place I've seen it is at a Tower Records store, selling for $65. I didn't
think it was worth that much.

I did get the v23 1996 calendar at Arcana, in the end.

--- Lucius Kwok  (lucius@astro.temple.edu) ---
       http://astro.temple.edu/~lucius


Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:32:02 +0200
From: Grant Goodes (ggo@CSD.CRI.DK)
Subject: Re: stuff for sale (fax, rephlex, 4ad, etc.)


My email address is: gg@csd.cri.dk

grant
..


Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 13:28:17 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*


Einexile the geek wrote:
>
>I don't see why you even bother reading or posting to these lists. It's
>become pretty clear that you resent just about everyone; I think we've
>all probably figured that out by now...so you really can change the
>subject any time.
>
> e

I suspect that only 1 to 10% of the population of both list email. Of that
population, a very young constituence writes opinions as if they are
fact...like your weak self.  I am very bothered by this.  You take the
attitude that the sun revolves around you rather than around the
populus...the list.
I right because I have the right to agree or disagree with what is said.
Why do you write on this list? To be heard....?  I am just trying to give
the people on this list as much exposure to other lists as possible. I
always try to give sources as such, not as my own made up ego.  As your
last post on the ambient list, were you quote an author in length, but fail
to sight said author. A classic example of pure ego at work...in reality
it's called plagrasim.

Fred "Give the People The Source" Collins


Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:59:55 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: various stuff: Area/Lush/Rollerskate Skinny/etc


i like the name rollerskate skinny and 'horsedrawn wishes'even more so, but i
hated the cd.  go figure.

Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:12:53 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: the neverending cocteau thing


hey man, don't be dragging the kitchens into this!

Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:11:04 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: generic elvia post v 1.0 *yawn*


On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:

> I suspect that only 1 to 10% of the population of both list email. Of that
> population, a very young constituence writes opinions as if they are
> fact...like your weak self.  I am very bothered by this.  You take the
> attitude that the sun revolves around you rather than around the
> populus...the list.

  funny, but you seem to be obsessed with sweet ol' e. more often than
  not, you insult him or his opinions as if you had nothing better to do.
  he doesn't think the world revolves around him {nor the sun, which
  is what the planets revolve around in our solar system}. however, you
  assume such because that would only lend fuel to your fire..so you can
  provoke him on a mailing list and {this is all conjecture, mind you}
  make your mark as The E Flamer.

> I right because I have the right to
> agree or disagree with what is said.
> Why do you write on this list? To be heard....?

  you answered your own question {tho, you misspelled write}...

> I am just trying to give
> the people on this list as much exposure to other lists as possible. I
> always try to give sources as such,

  so, if e quotes a review in alternative press, would that makes things
  all better?

> not as my own made up ego.

  uh...is your name elvia or fred?

>  As your
> last post on the ambient list, were you quote an author in length, but fail
> to sight said author. A classic example of pure ego at work...in reality
> it's called plagrasim.

  it may also be called forgetfulness. you assume too easily, and that can
  get you into trouble. just because someone refers to another's
  quotes/writings/etc. doesn't mean they are plagiarizing that person.
  if that were the case, warren defever would have been sued years ago.

> Fred "Give the People The Source" Collins

  everyone, including you {unfortunate as it may be}, is entitled to his
  or her own opinions. everyone {at least in this country} has the freedom
  of speech. apparently, what would make you happy is if e would
  completely censor himself, his opinions, his thoughts...

  you're quite the oppressor, aren't you?
  or perhaps you are just jealous?

  i still like the obsession theory, though...

  girly of the people,
  kelli-jeanne

Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:31:48 -0500
From: mark frank (mrf546t@NIC.SMSU.EDU)
Subject: more for sale stuff: cocteau twins vinyl, etc.


hello all,

i'm moving soon and it's time for me to part with some of my vinyl.  i
have all(well, most)  cocteau twins releases until heaven or las vegas on
vinyl.  i also have the first two dcd albums, the first this mortal coil
ep, first throwing muses lp, etc. (no, i don't have the pink opaque :(
well, i do but only on cassette...)

please make whatever offers you think fair..

everything is in near-new condition.  all of these have been in plastic
covers, and in most cases only played enough to tape them.

please send inquiries to me, not the list.

thanks

mark


Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 12:24:10 +1000
From: Matthew Kirkcaldie (matthewk@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU)
Subject: Lars Wars


>There never was an argument.  You made a silly assertation.  I
>corrected you.

Uh, Lars - that should be "assertion".

(grinning and ducking!)

                        Matthew.