Subject: Cocteau banter was Re: Spiritchaser
Subject: Re: Cocteau banter was Re: Spiritchaser
Subject: Cocteau Twins (was Spiritchaser)
Subject: Re: Cocteau banter was Re: Spiritchaser
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: DCD Songlist
Subject: Mojave 3 = Slowdive; get over it!
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: spiritchaser-1st impressions
Subject: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: y'all are fucked up
Subject: GBW 285L
Subject: stuff for sale (fax, rephlex, 4ad, etc.)
Subject: Re: stuff for sale (fax, rephlex, 4ad, etc.)
Subject: Re: stuff for sale (fax, rephlex, 4ad, etc.)
Subject: Re: Cocteau banter was Re: Spiritchaser
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: This Rimy Ltd. - Sometime
Subject: FS: Rollerskate Skinny
Subject: Spiritchasing The Cocteau Twins
Subject: The Great Spangled 4ad Purges
Subject: "=AO".............................................................
Subject: Re: (#47) great Cocteau purges/ plug your eyes red
Subject: Re: (#47) great Cocteau purges/ plug your eyes red
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:42:00 CDT
At 04:17 AM 7/5/96 +0200, Lars wrote:
>Stratton Davis
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:01:07 +0200
Stratton Davis
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:36:59 -0500
"C.K. Coney"
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:04:00 CDT
At 07:01 AM 7/5/96 +0200, Lars wrote:
>Methinks that you have a severe inability to read for
>content. Try reading what's actually written instead of what you
>imagine I've written
And methinks you have the same problem.
>
>There never was an argument. You made a silly assertation. I
>corrected you.
>
Errr, I believe the order of things was: YOU made a silly(to me)
assertation. I corrected you. I made a silly(to you) assertation. You
corrected me. Now you have made more silly assertations and I am correcting
you. We could keep this up for days, but I've got better things to do.
Stratton
.................
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:14:07 -0500
>>What a crass statement. Are you talking about the same band? Sure there
>>are similarities between certain albums(you will find this to be true of
>>many bands; and ALSO indicative of evolution)...but to say that each and
>>every album is exactly the same??? Get over it. Those of you who are so
>>damn anti-Cocteau Twins need to move on out of your bitter states and find
>>something else to talk about. A person can't even mention the band in a
>>positive way on this list without invoking the wrath of some list god.
>>Hell, you would almost think that there should be something in the FAQ
>>warning all newcomers that pro-Cocteau Twins posts are not tolerated.
>>
>>Stratton
>
>Calm down, calm down. I think you're choosing to ignore the fact that a good
>quarter of all posts here seem to be concerned with all things Cocteau, most of
>which are gushing fan-like things. Perhaps it's this volume of stuff that gets
>the hackles up of people who simply cannot understand how this dismally
ordinary
>music gets so deified. But really, if you lay on the hyperbole, then really
>you're asking to be shot down in flames. I think most people on this list have
>some degree of affection for something that the band did in the past, but
it was
>all so long ago - when will Guthrie et al realise that this particular
horse has
>long since passed away?
>
>- Dez
>
>
*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
The Sundays
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 06:42:55 GMT
>..... I think most people on this list have
>some degree of affection for something that the band did in the past, but
it was
>all so long ago - when will Guthrie et al realise that this particular
horse has
>long since passed away?
>
>- Dez
Hey now, I must disagree here. Although it's likely us 4AD freaks are
more apt to hang onto our collection of old musik (from the 80's that shaped
our lives) than the average Meriah Carey fan (run away!), I don't believe we
go purchase their new albums in order to relive past experiences. Nor do
any of us believe that 'Treasure II' is in the works (wouldn't that be..);
that maybe this is the album that's going to sound like 'they did in the past'.
I personally think M&K is just as good as Pink Opaque and (get ready
for this one) that spiritchaser is just as good as Serpent's Egg (Listen to
track 8 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:21:00 GMT
You'll be lucky if DCD continue to tour. The London show was cancelled
due to 'ill-health'. I hope they re-schedule but I doubt they will,
when it comes to playing shows in the UK we only get one (usually
London) chance to see them. For us 'Northerners', 4AD's policy of
promoting it's bands only in London is getting to be a bit annoying!
But, I think 4AD do appear to be disappearing up their own arses
recently anyhow - what happened to caring about your fans? (Re Mr.
Perry's LP, Red House Painters, This Rimy River Ltd Edition, Kendra
Smith.)
I hope Ivo isn't going the same way as Mr. Anthony H Wilson did with
Factory i.e. the label's bigger than the fans, and the director is
bigger than the label!!!!
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Date: 04/07/96 22:59
To the LUCKY ones who have attended the shows of DCD current tour:
Which songs are they playing on this tour? I got tickets to the Mexico City
show (aug 28, 5th row!), and I want to know what will i be expecting... this
will be my 1st DCD concert.
Gracias!
Pepe
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'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
The Sundays
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:52:42 -0700
On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
> At 1:59 PM 7/4/96, einexile the meek wrote:
> >On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
> >
> >> e wish he could live in an area so beautiful and free of toxic life forms
> >> such as himself. Sadcore rrrrules!
> >
> >Are you talking about Berkeley?
>
> Of course. Berkeley is the epicenter of life as we know it.:)
That's funny, I thought it was a dirty crime-ridden left wing sinkhole. I
must have been thinking of San Fransisco. :) Ah well. *shrug*
e
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:14:00 GMT
I think you've just made the point that explains why this war is
raging over Spiritchaser (is it any good?) and Cocteaus (are they
flogging a dead horse?). There are basically 2 types of 4AD fan -
1. I buy what I like, just because it's on 4AD doesn't mean it's
fantastic.
2. I'll buy any old shite off 4AD because I'm a _FAN_! (re- Lisa and
Liz gurgling with mouthwash).
Well, there's a new type of fan emerging, and I'm one of them -
3. I used to be a type 2 fan, but now I'm PISSED OFF with some of the
shit 4AD are turning out!! Also, doesn't Ivo realise that he's losing
some of his best bands while he's indulging other 'older' bands out of
some misplaced debt to past greatness.
I've bought 4AD since 1980, and yes, it is precious to me - there is a lot
of history in my 4AD collection. BUT. I can't help feeling that the label
is disappearing up it's own arse rapidly! (Don't forget the fate that was
Factory Records!) There's much more interesting stuff out there at the
moment - TeenBeat stuff, Tortoise, Ui, Fuxa etc.
If there's anyone from 4AD reading these postings you'd better get your
acts sorted out or this '4AD Freak' will be taking his business elsewhere!
Oh, whatever happened to the Limited Edition 10" releases were we told
about when the Mail Order thing started? Were these lies?
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Date: 05/07/96 08:29
>..... I think most people on this list have
>some degree of affection for something that the band did in the past, but
it was
>all so long ago - when will Guthrie et al realise that this particular
horse has
>long since passed away?
>
>- Dez
Hey now, I must disagree here. Although it's likely us 4AD freaks are
more apt to hang onto our collection of old musik (from the 80's that shaped
our lives) than the average Meriah Carey fan (run away!), I don't believe we
go purchase their new albums in order to relive past experiences. Nor do
any of us believe that 'Treasure II' is in the works (wouldn't that be..);
that maybe this is the album that's going to sound like 'they did in the past'.
I personally think M&K is just as good as Pink Opaque and (get ready
for this one) that spiritchaser is just as good as Serpent's Egg (Listen to
track 8
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 05:22:25 -0400
hey!
just barely got dcd's spiritchaser today and was not really impressed by my
first listen. i listened to it again this evening and it still didn't strike
me the way within the realm, the serpent's egg, and toward the within
did...it's ok for now but it may grow on me after each listen.
laters,
pete
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:50:56 BST
<[email protected]>
Dez wrote (all emphasis mine):
>I think you're choosing to ignore the fact that a
>good QUARTER of all posts here seem to be concerned with all things
>Cocteau
>...
>people who simply cannot
>understand how this dismally ordinary music gets so DEIFIED
>...
>But really,
>if you lay on the hyperbole
>...
>you're asking to be SHOT DOWN IN
>FLAMES.
Hee hee hee, what was that about "hyperbole"?!
Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>Simon Hughes Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:02:45 -0700
I don't get it.
Half of the people are upset that a band has changed its style to
something less interesting, and the other half of you are all irked that
all their albums sound the same. This is not one conversation; this is
the entire history of this list. Who cares if it's the good ol Twins if
the writing is crap? Meanwhile many of us were all ticked off that Foul
Catheter Cave was a new age album, and completely overlooked and/or
dismissed some very well crafted and moving tunes.
Well I say you've all got your heads screwed on backwards.
spiritchaser still eats it and hard,
e
don't worry i still wuv yoo 8)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:14:29 +0200
I got a nice letter and postcard from 4AD Mail Order today about my credit
card (valid thru 06/96) and with some release info:
"We've got an exciting Summer and Autumn coming up with releases from
Throwing Muses, Lisa Germano, and Heidi Berry. Our new icelandic signing
Gus Gus will be releasing a single and album in the Autumn. They're great!
Pencilled in for late Autumn release is the Pixies retrospective. There
*may* be some mail order only goodies available around it's release so keep
in touch!"
On the postcard a picture of four japanese girls siting in some park with
two phoning topless guys with a little red Fiat (GBW 285L). Oh, and there's
a Lush logo on top of the car...
The new Lush single 500 (Shake Baby Shake): again two cd singles and a
limited (this time red) 7".
version) and the hexadecimal deb mix of Last Night.
7" 500 and I Have The Moon
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:10:54 -0500
i have a for sale list, including some older and newer fax, aphex twin,
guitary ambient (labradford), 4ad, eno, and lots more, some vinyl,
but mostly cd.
email me for the complete list.
thanks,
mark
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:51:29 +0200
Please send me your list. Thanks.
grant..
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:58:53 -0500
(personal to mark)
What is your email address?
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:16:41 -0500
Hey Lars, next time use a ;). Obviously most people on the list didn't make
the connection that you're the one who put togethe the eyesore database.
\
what *is* the world coming to?
marvyn
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:28:11 EDT
Rex Lloyd wrote:
> Hey now, I must disagree here. Although it's likely us 4AD freaks are
>more apt to hang onto our collection of old musik (from the 80's that shaped
>our lives) than the average Meriah Carey fan (run away!), I don't believe we
>go purchase their new albums in order to relive past experiences. Nor do
>any of us believe that 'Treasure II' is in the works (wouldn't that be..);
>that maybe this is the album that's going to sound like 'they did in the past'.
> I personally think M&K is just as good as Pink Opaque and (get ready
>for this one) that spiritchaser is just as good as Serpent's Egg (Listen to
>track 8
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 12:33:17 -0700
Greetings,
I was in LA last weekend for an education conference and had a chance to go
over to Arcana in Santa Monica and the owner said that Vaughn was there last
week and they were expecting their ltd. edition Rimy's very soon. Vaughn
has "been assured" that they are almost finished.
For what its worth.
Layne
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 13:12:40 -0700
22:56:01 +0000
> >ROLLERSKATE SKINNY - A great band with a stooopid name.
> I
> >bought _Horsedrawn Wishes_ (another stupid name) after
> Brant
> >Dewdrops raved about it. He's right. It's an excellent
> CD.
> >A very well done guitar-based CD. I plan to buy the
> followup
> >CD as soon as I find it used.
> >
> i agree, terrible name, but 'horsedrawn wishes' is quite
> good. what's this about a followup? didn't they just
> release this one about 5 months ago?
I think this must be in reference to the debut CD, not the followup since
Horesedrawn Wishes is relatively new. Speaking of Rollerskate Skinny's HW.
I've got an extra copy if anyone wants to buy it off me. Contact me privately
please.
-cz ([email protected])
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:13:56 -0500
I think what happens with the Cocteau Twins is that their
fans (including me) still loves them much, and that they
(we) would be ready to buy a thousand future "Milk And Kisses",
simply because we feel they are so authentic and unique in sound, =
and this even though we...well...a few listgods at least...
are agreeing that the album IS NOT THEIR BEST EFFORT, and this,
whatever the "moods" and "perticularities" one may assigne
to it.
Now, the question is : Is this the result of a bad catalysation
of aptitudes and potential, the result of musical idleness, or
then simply the consequence of time. What about if "Milk And
Kisses" had been released a few years ago, would it have
"sounded" better ? I think that somehow something is culturally
happening : people seems to not be "into" groups like Cocteau =
=A0=A0Twins (or even The Cure (!)) a lot nowadays. Technology and =
=A0=A0Aesthetics' perpetual and interrelated Evolution once again =
=A0=A0commands adaptation. We wish for a remixed version of "Milk And =
=A0=A0Kisses" redone by Warren, we dream of the longly awaited solo =
=A0=A0effort from Liz, we hope for that techno-sounding "Treasure" =
=A0=A0aka la Violaine in Otherness. But before I accuse the Cocteaus
of releasing an album that sounds too much like them, even though
the selections are not amongst the best of theirs, I need to
question that relationship that I have come to build "upon" them :
last night, a band called The Cure was playing in my town, a
band of which that I once thought I'd be loyal to the end,
buying all their records, and what else, teenage promisses,
I didn't even care a second buying their new album, and I =
would even feel embarassed meeting Robert himself in the streets,
cos now I understand what it is like to stop loving someone
I once really admired, and I think "that" is pretty sad...
(Hopefully tomorrow I will realize that they did some =
important records in the past, even though right now
I couldn't stand any of their songs on my player or anywhere,
except perhaps in memory)
I seem to follow a path in Taste, and it is no pasts' paste.
Ced The Caspesyan
[email protected]
"O Rimy.... So Minty...... Oozing out mailboxes......
when will you wreck upon my chest...."
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:05:39 -0500
I can relate to all these frustrations (except the ones
concerning the new acts, which I do appreciate).
The fragile point here is :
Do we implore 4ad to thanks us for so many years of
fans loyalty ?
Or do we thanks them for inspiring a passion that fills
our lives up to the point that we're instituting mailing lists
in their honors?
It's like a one-way relationship this love.
Do you stop loving someone that doesn't give a damn about you ?
Nope... You wish so... But you instead get obsessed further and =
=A0further by that person that you eventually come to idealize him/her
as something that he/she isn't.
I understand more from 4ad and the music industry in general
when I observe them from my distance. Everything changes in
Taste, and 4ad is following the same trend to a respectable
degree, meaning that one can still manage to make relations
between the newest acts and the oldest. Just try the find
the song on each of 4ad's releases that you would apply
the most to a newest form of This Mortal Coil, and you might
understand an inch of what I'm trying to communicate. 4ad
has, I believe, a certain "soul", probably because its catalog =
=A0comes mostly from the perspectives of an only human's taste,
and I think that is enough to wonder (wander) about, that any
speculations are hopeless, and that the rest is left to a
business for which the "owner" of 4ad musn't deal a strong hold.
=
The music industry cares more for journalists and promoters
than for any fans, it's clear to me, it's prostitution.
And it's like that everywhere, so I couldn't blame 4ad
for acting the same (posters, beautifully packaged promos, etc,
not made for fans,etc). The only way you can respond to this
is by starting your own label and trying to evitate those
downwards.Or asks for a control of the press release in the
contracts when you're signed as an artist.
Huh.... By the way... Are the new Lush ep's out yet ?
(and to make a connection with the previous paragraph,
I think Lush's sleeves make an interesting comment about
that, even though it deals also with "signifyer" and "signified"
aesthetic problems posed in Art/Photo theory (mixed with =
real life symbolism).)
sentiment
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 20:11:04 -0500
....?
Hmmm... just saw my previous posts on the lists...
Can somebody tell me where does those =AO=AO comes from ?
And how can I evince this in the future ?
thanks.
Cedr.
sentiment @ accent. net
"=AO huh....=AO=AO= hem..... =AOOAA==AO..that was the state=AOment"