Subject: Re: Spiritchaser
Subject: Re: more non4ad than you'll ever be:
Subject: Re: EPS show
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser
Subject: River Rimy This Can Be The Month!
Subject: Re: River Rimy This Can Be The Month!
Subject: Upcoming SHINKANSEN stuff!!
Subject: Cocteau Twins
Subject: Kiss Name Is Alive
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 2 Jul 1996 to 3 Jul 1996
Subject: Re: Upcoming SHINKANSEN stuff!!
Subject: Muses on Radcliffe
Subject: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: various stuff: Area/Lush/Rollerskate Skinny/etc
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 = Sadcore?
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 2 Jul 1996 to 3 Jul 1996
Subject: DCD Songlist
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 = Sadcore?
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser
Subject: Re: various stuff: Area/Lush/Rollerskate Skinny/etc
Subject: soil X samples: 7" - tarnation, liquorice.
Subject: DCD TICKET FOR SALE
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 06:28:59 +0200
"C.K. Coney"
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:11:47 GMT
At 07:46 7/3/96 +0000, you wrote:
> "it was much better than Cats. i'm going to see it again & again."
>
> i was one of the freaks who went out on opening day to see
> independence day. let me just say, for any lover of kool special
> effects and alien mangling in film, YOU MUST SEE THIS FILM.
> go now! all of you!!! run to your nearest theater, steal a ticket,
> and prepare to watch the koolest thing i've ever seen since the
> first alien film. i may very well have nightmares tonight, especially
> since i know rather reputable people who've seen li'l flying objects
> and have had interesting conversations with military personnel on
> such matters....but all the weirded outness is worth it. tho, i think if
> we are ever mass-invaded by funky space creatures..i will either
> a) run for the mountains or b) commit suicide.
>
> jeff goldblum rocks,
I went to junior high with ol Jeff...he was quite the nerd boy! Personally,
I think Will Smith rocks (have you seen Six Degrees of Separation?...rent it
now!)
Anyway, I second yer vote on Indie Day...terrific flick...tho the soundtrack
was a bit shmaltzy...I prefer X-Files-like creepiness a la Mark Snow...
Carol Coney
> sunburnt k-j
>
>
> ...also, go out and buy the new lovesliescrushing. it's beeyooteafull...
>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 23:48:08 -0500
. It's going to be an
>unplugged set this time, and as I've said before, the music is
>poppy Sundays-ish, Cocteaus-ish, and very much thislisty
Brant,
I=B4ve been very interested in this band since you mentioned. Is there=
anyway
that you can send me a tape of them? (I=B4ll pay the charges). It=B4s=
difficult
for me to get a copy of them since I live in Mexico...
Gracias!
Pepe
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'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
The Sundays
*************************************************
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:46:00 CDT
At 06:28 AM 7/4/96 +0200, Lars wrote:
>"C.K. Coney"
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:13:00 GMT
This is just another example of 4AD's attitude to their fans! They've
had our money since January and what do we get in terms of an apology
a poxy poster from Is Minty A Man that I'd already got anyhow!!!! The
last comment I got was - being sent out the end of June!! Well it's
July and still fuck all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Date: 04/07/96 01:59
I've almost forgotten all about it, but:
January: no
February: no, maybe next month...
March: uh... no
April: not yet
May: soon...
June: yes! oh, um, no
July: ?
Will this be the month when the Ltd. version of This Rimy River... etc. etc.
The people at v23 must HATE this production by now.
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:28:08 +0200
At 08:13 4-07-96 GMT, Paul wrote:
> This is just another example of 4AD's attitude to their fans! They've
> had our money since January and what do we get in terms of an apology
> a poxy poster from Is Minty A Man that I'd already got anyhow!!!! The
> last comment I got was - being sent out the end of June!! Well it's
> July and still fuck all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When did you receive the poster? Haven't seen it (yet).
Frank
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[email protected]
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:01:09 +0200
There has been quite some talk on this list about the beautiful/superb/etc.
TREMBLING BLUESTARS 'Her Handwriting' CD on Shinkansen (ex-Sarah), so here
is a bit of SHINKANSEN news (from 'Shinkansen Newsletter 1', July 1996):
SHINKANSEN 1 / 2 tr. 7" TREMBLING BLUESTARS 'Abba On The Jukebox' - still
available
SHINKANSEN 2 / 3-tr. 7" TOMPOT BLENNY 'Think Of Ways Of Keeping You Warm' -
sold out
SHINKANSEN 3 / 14-tr. CD TREMBLING BLUE STARS 'Her Handwriting' - still
available
B.T.W. Did anyone notice that 'Abba On The Jukebox' is very similar to the
brilliant 'Last September 's Farewell Kiss' from the NORTHERN PICTURE
LIBRARY 7"/CD (SARAH 95)?
(okay, I know, these are the same people...)
Due out late Summer:
SHINKANSEN 4 / 2-tr. 7" BLUEBOY 'Melancholia' (with Keris from BRIGHTER on
keyboards)
SHINKANSEN 5 / 3-tr. 7"& 6-tr. CDsingle TOMPOT BLENNY 'Green Is The Colour'
(CDsingle includes all SHINKANSEN 2 tracks)
TREMBLING BLUE STARS play Upstairs At The Garage, London today, July 4th(*)
and The Steam Inn, Brighton, Sunday July 28th (**).
Footnotes from the Newsletter:
(*) left out of Highbury & Islington tube, cross over the right WATCH OUT
FOR THAT BUS and it's in front of you - unless you've walked backwards, in
which case we don't want you at our gigs 'cos you're weird, are you.
(**) on Lewes Road towards Moulsecoomb so a bit rough, apparently.
Frank
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Frank Brinkhuis
[email protected]
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:19:10 BST
+0200 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:27:56 -0700
>From the desk of Gerry at Mercury/Polydor in Canada...
>P.S. I talked to Warren D. yesterday back from UK -- they performed
>Friday nite in KISS makeup since they had to miss Detroit Rock City.
Shock me!
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:04:40 -0700
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> There are 32 messages totalling 1146 lines in this issue.
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> Topics of the day:
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> 1. Let's just rename this the DCD List and be done with it
> 2. EPS show
> 3. Shallow/ Swallow
> 4. various 4AD and non- (4)
> 5. shallow (3)
> 6. LINDA PERRY - Solo album (Lisa Germano guesting)
> 7. more non4ad than you'll ever be:
> 8. Edward Barton
> 9. var 4AD and NON: Area (2)
> 10. Dead Can Dance - NYC date
> 11. It's a Thorne Day.
> 12. Mojave 3 = Sadcore? (2)
> 13. more non4ad than you'll ever be? not me sista
> 14. online database
> 15. COCTEAUS KC DISASTER
> 16. Kodo and Ondekoza
> 17. Booth & The Bad Angel
> 18. "Wonderwall" covered! (2)
> 19. RAPOON and HNIA
> 20. Booth & the Bad Angel
> 21. Orbital/Halcyon
> 22. River Rimy This Can Be The Month!
> 23. Cocteau Twins News and Updates...
> 24. Spiritchaser
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:06:49 -0700
> From: "L.K. Grier"
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:07:04 +0800
>SHINKANSEN 3 / 14-tr. CD TREMBLING BLUE STARS 'Her Handwriting' - still
>available
uhm...any reviews on this album? or have u all already discussed this...=20
thanks!
EDWIN
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:11:41 EDT
Hi all,
Throwing Muses played live on Mark Radcliffe's Radio 1 show in the UK
last night (Wednesday). I only caught it by accident which is why I didn't post
a prior warning to the list. Anyway, they played three songs - Shark (the next
single, out on the 29th), Serene and Ruthie's Knocking. The sound was raw and
fuzzy, but pretty powerful. I'm notoriously crap at judging Kristin's songs on
one listen - they always take a few hearings before they convince me - so I
can't really say whether Limbo will be a sparkling return to form on this
evidence, but they sounded pretty good.
By the way, I posted a lukewarm review of the new Spring Heel Jack LP the other
day. Now the wax has fallen out of my ears, I'll have to correct myself, and say
it's superb.
And finally - Underworld's 'Born Slippy' is back out - on two CDs, featuring a
colossal eleven minute thumpathon (same or similar mix as the original Nuxx, but
longer), and three new mixes (which are good, but not great), a rather clumsy
radio edit, an Alex Reece mix of Banstyle (very so-so - does Reece know any
other beats?), and the pure genius that is the Dark Train version of Dark And
Long.
- Dez
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:26:52 EDT
>What a crass statement. Are you talking about the same band? Sure there
>are similarities between certain albums(you will find this to be true of
>many bands; and ALSO indicative of evolution)...but to say that each and
>every album is exactly the same??? Get over it. Those of you who are so
>damn anti-Cocteau Twins need to move on out of your bitter states and find
>something else to talk about. A person can't even mention the band in a
>positive way on this list without invoking the wrath of some list god.
>Hell, you would almost think that there should be something in the FAQ
>warning all newcomers that pro-Cocteau Twins posts are not tolerated.
>
>Stratton
Calm down, calm down. I think you're choosing to ignore the fact that a good
quarter of all posts here seem to be concerned with all things Cocteau, most of
which are gushing fan-like things. Perhaps it's this volume of stuff that gets
the hackles up of people who simply cannot understand how this dismally ordinary
music gets so deified. But really, if you lay on the hyperbole, then really
you're asking to be shot down in flames. I think most people on this list have
some degree of affection for something that the band did in the past, but it was
all so long ago - when will Guthrie et al realise that this particular horse has
long since passed away?
- Dez
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:38:57 -0700
Hi all. It's July 4 and time to delurk for a moment
and dispense with some opinions:
AREA - Remember the big hoopla awhile ago when Glen T. Greenman
was given a hard time for suggesting that he might get
rid of his 4 area discs in a lottery? Well, after several
folks had a fit about a consensual relationship between two
adults, he decided to sell them to me. (I had made him an
offer prior to the lottery idea, and though I didn't want
to participate in a lottery, I didn't call him a moron for
wanting to do so. For once in my life, I was rewarded for
being a nice guy. What did I pay? None of your business.)
Anyway, the net result is that I simultaneously acquired the
entire CD catalogue of the band. The first impression was
how much the four CDs sound alike. A very similar aesthetic
runs through the whole set, which has made it very difficult
to tell the CDs apart. I've yet to pick a favorite of the
bunch, but I am growing fond of Radio Caroline (the debut)
and Between Purple and Pink (the last one with Henry Frayne
on guitar). RC has a nice sparce, minimalist sound, whereas
BP&P is their most lush, full sound. The only downside of the
Area sound is that bloody drum machine. I had forgotten how
insipid mid-80s Casio drum machines could sound! Suicide was
the only band that could make those things sound natural.
ROLLERSKATE SKINNY - A great band with a stooopid name. I
bought _Horsedrawn Wishes_ (another stupid name) after Brant
Dewdrops raved about it. He's right. It's an excellent CD.
A very well done guitar-based CD. I plan to buy the followup
CD as soon as I find it used.
LUSH - Am I the only one that has noticed all the inacuracies
in the official 4AD pages? You'd think that the "official"
material would make some attempt to be accurate. I quote:
"They released _Mad Love_ featuring their trademark single
'Sweetness and Light'". Erm... no. S&L was on a release
of the same name, whereas their "trademark" single is no
doubt "de-luxe", which *IS* on _Mad Love_.
OK, enough for now.
Reality
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:09:29 PST
Dez wrote:
>Calm down, calm down. I think you're choosing to ignore the fact that a good
>quarter of all posts here seem to be concerned with all things Cocteau, most of
>which are gushing fan-like things. Perhaps it's this volume of stuff that
>gets the hackles up of people who simply cannot understand how this dismally
>ordinary music gets so deified.
I think whether or not you "deify" the current CT output depends on when you
first started listening to the CT. I find that people who were introduced
to the Cocteaus by HOLV-era stuff tend to prefer the newer material to the
mid-80's stuff. Whereas those of us who discovered them earlier are less
enamored with their more recent output. Reasons for liking CT based on
hearing "Five Ten Fiftyfold" (my first exposure), are bound to be very
different from those based on hearing "Pur".
I would also disagree with Lars, except with regard to Milk and Kisses, which
really does sound like someone trying to create the stereotypical CT album.
I find their sound has evolved over the years, except that (for me) something
was lost after "Crushed" which has made them progressively less interesting.
>But really, if you lay on the hyperbole, then really you're asking to be
>shot down in flames. I think most people on this list have some degree of
>affection for something that the band did in the past, but it was
>all so long ago - when will Guthrie et al realise that this particular horse
>has long since passed away?
I really think we need a warning in the FAQ about this, since this topic
seems to come up again and again. Something to the effect that the list is
basically divided into those who like the new CT and those who prefer their
earlier work (Is BBK a good cutoff point?). So anybody posting about current
CT output can be forewarned about possible backlash.
BTW, there is a review of MAK in the current issue of Option which should
delight half this list, and enrage the other. The reviewer compares MAK (in
quality) to Treasure. (I was wondering if we listened to the same album.)
Martin
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:59:39 -0700
On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
> At 8:17 AM 7/3/96, einexile the meek wrote:
> >The term has been around for quite some time but fortunately they called
> >in the Center for Disease Control early and they managed to to contain it
> >to the "Bay Area", which is why you haven't heard it. Unfortunately, for
> >some silly reason they decided against nuking the area from orbit and
> >some of the actual music managed to escape. Tsk, tsk.
> e wish he could live in an area so beautiful and free of toxic life forms
> such as himself. Sadcore rrrrules!
Are you talking about Berkeley?
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:12:44 -0400
could someboddy give me a hint how to get connected with people
who can master an album we made, we want to make an cd overhere,
thnak
h.g.a.j. braam / Irma Pane
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:36:31 -0500
To the LUCKY ones who have attended the shows of DCD current tour:
Which songs are they playing on this tour? I got tickets to the Mexico City
show (aug 28, 5th row!), and I want to know what will i be expecting... this
will be my 1st DCD concert.
Gracias!
Pepe
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'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
The Sundays
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:57:32 -0500
>I think whether or not you "deify" the current CT output depends on when=
you
>first started listening to the CT. I find that people who were introduced
>to the Cocteaus by HOLV-era stuff tend to prefer the newer material to the
>mid-80's stuff. Whereas those of us who discovered them earlier are less
>enamored with their more recent output. Reasons for liking CT based on
>hearing "Five Ten Fiftyfold" (my first exposure), are bound to be very
>different from those based on hearing "Pur".
>
I started to listen to the Twins with HOLV, at first it really didn=B4t grab
me at all, i was deeply into Neworder, Depeche, the Cure, etc; so it was
something quite new fo me. After a while (HOLV was shelved) a friend of mine
put Treasure for me... it absolutely moved me (specially hearing it at sea)!
After that i started to listen more and more to them and I found out that I
like both periods a lot: I love Treasure,The Moon and..., Akiea Guinea,
Pearly..., HOLV & M&K. Head over heels is Ok but only that; Garlands is
another band for me so I really don=B4t like (except for 4 tracks); 4CC is
very weak, even though Pur is one hell of a song.
BBK is good and nothing more.
The point here is I don=B4t think that there are 2 periods (new & old) but
every lp is a different era for them. The eps can be grouped into periods
but the lp don=B4t. So I don=B4t really think that they have been doing the=
same
thing nine times in a row... M&K is similar to BBK but is, IMO, far superior
than BBK.=20
What I love about the twins is that they can create a new different
soundscape every album an still sound terrific.
Those where my 2 pesos...
Pepe
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'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
The Sundays
*************************************************
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:59:48 GMT
At 18:26 7/4/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>What a crass statement. Are you talking about the same band? Sure there
>>are similarities between certain albums(you will find this to be true of
>>many bands; and ALSO indicative of evolution)...but to say that each and
>>every album is exactly the same??? Get over it. Those of you who are so
>>damn anti-Cocteau Twins need to move on out of your bitter states and find
>>something else to talk about. A person can't even mention the band in a
>>positive way on this list without invoking the wrath of some list god.
>>Hell, you would almost think that there should be something in the FAQ
>>warning all newcomers that pro-Cocteau Twins posts are not tolerated.
>>
>>Stratton
>
>Calm down, calm down. I think you're choosing to ignore the fact that a good
>quarter of all posts here seem to be concerned with all things Cocteau, most of
>which are gushing fan-like things. Perhaps it's this volume of stuff that gets
>the hackles up of people who simply cannot understand how this dismally
ordinary
>music gets so deified. But really, if you lay on the hyperbole, then really
>you're asking to be shot down in flames. I think most people on this list have
>some degree of affection for something that the band did in the past, but
it was
>all so long ago - when will Guthrie et al realise that this particular
horse has
>long since passed away?
>
>- Dez
>
Dez,
Maybe you should heed your own advice and "calm down" yourself. Obviously
your calling CT "dismally ordinary music" is a dismally ordinary tactic with
the sole purpose of starting a protracted flame war between CT fans and a
few 4AD loyalists who are somehow peeved at CT for their label change, and
probably also peeved at CT's perseverence and the continued fan
support/critical acclaim they keep earning (particularly with the success of
the recent tour. Even Washington Post music critic Mark Jenkins, one of
those critics who loves to hate everything and often tears bands to shreds,
absolutely raved about CT's most recent 3 releases.)
In summary, CT fans who participate in the 4AD list will continue to sing
the praises (and sometimes, heaven forbid, even "gush") of CT, 4AD bands,
thislisty bands, and even notlisty bands...so get used to it!
Peace,
Carol Coney
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:44:52 -0700
At 1:59 PM 7/4/96, einexile the meek wrote:
>On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
>
>> At 8:17 AM 7/3/96, einexile the meek wrote:
>
>> >The term has been around for quite some time but fortunately they called
>> >in the Center for Disease Control early and they managed to to contain it
>> >to the "Bay Area", which is why you haven't heard it. Unfortunately, for
>> >some silly reason they decided against nuking the area from orbit and
>> >some of the actual music managed to escape. Tsk, tsk.
>
>> e wish he could live in an area so beautiful and free of toxic life forms
>> such as himself. Sadcore rrrrules!
>
>Are you talking about Berkeley?
Of course. Berkeley is the epicenter of life as we know it.:)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:04:44 GMT
At 21:57 7/4/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>I think whether or not you "deify" the current CT output depends on when=
you
>>first started listening to the CT. I find that people who were introduced
>>to the Cocteaus by HOLV-era stuff tend to prefer the newer material to the
>>mid-80's stuff. Whereas those of us who discovered them earlier are less
>>enamored with their more recent output. Reasons for liking CT based on
>>hearing "Five Ten Fiftyfold" (my first exposure), are bound to be very
>>different from those based on hearing "Pur".
>>
>
>I started to listen to the Twins with HOLV, at first it really didn=B4t=
grab
>me at all, i was deeply into Neworder, Depeche, the Cure, etc; so it was
>something quite new fo me. After a while (HOLV was shelved) a friend of=
mine
>put Treasure for me... it absolutely moved me (specially hearing it at=
sea)!
> After that i started to listen more and more to them and I found out that=
I
>like both periods a lot: I love Treasure,The Moon and..., Akiea Guinea,
>Pearly..., HOLV & M&K. Head over heels is Ok but only that; Garlands is
>another band for me so I really don=B4t like (except for 4 tracks); 4CC is
>very weak, even though Pur is one hell of a song.
>BBK is good and nothing more.
>
>The point here is I don=B4t think that there are 2 periods (new & old) but
>every lp is a different era for them. The eps can be grouped into periods
>but the lp don=B4t. So I don=B4t really think that they have been doing the=
same
>thing nine times in a row... M&K is similar to BBK but is, IMO, far=
superior
>than BBK.=20
>
>What I love about the twins is that they can create a new different
>soundscape every album an still sound terrific.
>
>Those where my 2 pesos...
>
>Pepe
>
>*************************************************
>'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
> The Sundays
>*************************************************
Hola, mi amigo,
Mi espanol no es muy bueno, pero mi ingles is "OK", entonces...
You have great taste in music, Pepe! But I disagree on one point, because I
am one of those persons who discovered Cocteau Twins with "Treasure", which
I still think is one of their best. Then I bought every record that came
before, which of course are very different, then I bought every record
since. (Obviously I have a lot of early stuff on vinyl, tho I have the CD's
now for frequent playing). To summarize, there are many of us who like
everything CT has done, some more than others, and look forward to future
work and evolution.
Peace,
Carol Coney
P.S. Viva Los Cocteau Twins!
>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 04:11:05 +0200
Simon Hughes
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 04:17:57 +0200
Stratton Davis
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 22:56:01 +0000
>ROLLERSKATE SKINNY - A great band with a stooopid name. I
>bought _Horsedrawn Wishes_ (another stupid name) after Brant
>Dewdrops raved about it. He's right. It's an excellent CD.
>A very well done guitar-based CD. I plan to buy the followup
>CD as soon as I find it used.
>
i agree, terrible name, but 'horsedrawn wishes' is quite good. what's this
about a followup? didn't they just release this one about 5 months ago?
tony