4ad-l Mail for 07-04-1996

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Subject: Re: Spiritchaser
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 06:28:59 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: more non4ad than you'll ever be:
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:11:47 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: EPS show
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 23:48:08 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:46:00 CDT
From: Stratton Davis (stratt@E-TEX.COM)
Subject: River Rimy This Can Be The Month!
Date: 04/07/96 01:59
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: River Rimy This Can Be The Month!
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:28:08 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Upcoming SHINKANSEN stuff!!
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:01:09 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Cocteau Twins
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:19:10 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Kiss Name Is Alive
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:27:56 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 2 Jul 1996 to 3 Jul 1996
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:04:40 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Upcoming SHINKANSEN stuff!!
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:07:04 +0800
From: Lim Kian Hong (qland@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: Muses on Radcliffe
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:11:41 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:26:52 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: various stuff: Area/Lush/Rollerskate Skinny/etc
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:38:57 -0700
From: "Reality's email account" (mcclure@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:09:29 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 = Sadcore?
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:59:39 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 2 Jul 1996 to 3 Jul 1996
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:12:44 -0400
From: "Henk g.a.j. Braam/Irma Pane" (hbraam@POP.EROLS.COM)
Subject: DCD Songlist
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:36:31 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:57:32 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:59:48 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 = Sadcore?
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:44:52 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:04:44 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 04:11:05 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 04:17:57 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: various stuff: Area/Lush/Rollerskate Skinny/etc
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 22:56:01 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: soil X samples: 7" - tarnation, liquorice.
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:03:15 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: DCD TICKET FOR SALE
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:37:42 EDT
From: paul patry (ppatry@CHAT.CARLETON.CA)

Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 06:28:59 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser


"C.K. Coney"  writes:

> I totally disagree with you re: Cocteau Twins, who you obviously refer to
> here. They have evolved over the years, each album has a totally different
> sound from the next,

Uhm.  Are you talking about the Cocteau Twins?  Really?  Who've
basically made exactly the same album nine times now?

> and now with Robin's interest in Seefeel/Mark Clifford's ideas, have
> gotten into a more minimalist, techno groove with the EP
> "Otherness".

Well.  Clifford made the Twins into Seefeel for one EP, but that
hardly means the the Twins are evolving.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:11:47 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: more non4ad than you'll ever be:


At 07:46 7/3/96 +0000, you wrote:
>  "it was much better than Cats. i'm going to see it again & again."
>
>  i was one of the freaks who went out on opening day to see
>  independence day. let me just say, for any lover of kool special
>  effects and alien mangling in film, YOU MUST SEE THIS FILM.
>  go now! all of you!!! run to your nearest theater, steal a ticket,
>  and prepare to watch the koolest thing i've ever seen since the
>  first alien film. i may very well have nightmares tonight, especially
>  since i know rather reputable people who've seen li'l flying objects
>  and have had interesting conversations with military personnel on
>  such matters....but all the weirded outness is worth it. tho, i think if
>  we are ever mass-invaded by funky space creatures..i will either
>  a) run for the mountains or b) commit suicide.
>
>  jeff goldblum rocks,

I went to junior high with ol Jeff...he was quite the nerd boy! Personally,
I think Will Smith rocks (have you seen Six Degrees of Separation?...rent it
now!)

Anyway, I second yer vote on Indie Day...terrific flick...tho the soundtrack
was a bit shmaltzy...I prefer X-Files-like creepiness a la Mark Snow...

Carol Coney

>  sunburnt k-j
>
>
>  ...also, go out and buy the new lovesliescrushing. it's beeyooteafull...
>

Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 23:48:08 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: EPS show


. It's going to be an
>unplugged set this time, and as I've said before, the music is
>poppy Sundays-ish, Cocteaus-ish, and very much thislisty

Brant,

I=B4ve been very interested in this band since you mentioned. Is there=
 anyway
that you can send me a tape of them? (I=B4ll pay the charges). It=B4s=
 difficult
for me to get a copy of them since I live in Mexico...

Gracias!

Pepe
*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************


Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:46:00 CDT
From: Stratton Davis (stratt@E-TEX.COM)
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser


At 06:28 AM 7/4/96 +0200, Lars wrote:
>"C.K. Coney"  writes:
>
>> I totally disagree with you re: Cocteau Twins, who you obviously refer to
>> here. They have evolved over the years, each album has a totally different
>> sound from the next,
>
>Uhm.  Are you talking about the Cocteau Twins?  Really?  Who've
>basically made exactly the same album nine times now?


What a crass statement.  Are you talking about the same band?  Sure there
are similarities between certain albums(you will find this to be true of
many bands; and ALSO indicative of evolution)...but to say that each and
every album is exactly the same???  Get over it.  Those of you who are so
damn anti-Cocteau Twins need to move on out of your bitter states and find
something else to talk about.  A person can't even mention the band in a
positive way on this list without invoking the wrath of some list god.
Hell, you would almost think that there should be something in the FAQ
warning all newcomers that pro-Cocteau Twins posts are not tolerated.

Stratton

Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:13:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: River Rimy This Can Be The Month!


     This is just another example of 4AD's attitude to their fans! They've
     had our money since January and what do we get in terms of an apology
     a poxy poster from Is Minty A Man that I'd already got anyhow!!!! The
     last comment I got was - being sent out the end of June!! Well it's
     July and still fuck all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: River Rimy This Can Be The Month!

Date: 04/07/96 01:59 I've almost forgotten all about it, but: January: no February: no, maybe next month... March: uh... no April: not yet May: soon... June: yes! oh, um, no July: ? Will this be the month when the Ltd. version of This Rimy River... etc. etc. The people at v23 must HATE this production by now.

Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:28:08 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: River Rimy This Can Be The Month!


At 08:13 4-07-96 GMT, Paul wrote:
>     This is just another example of 4AD's attitude to their fans! They've
>     had our money since January and what do we get in terms of an apology
>     a poxy poster from Is Minty A Man that I'd already got anyhow!!!! The
>     last comment I got was - being sent out the end of June!! Well it's
>     July and still fuck all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When did you receive the poster? Haven't seen it (yet).

Frank




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Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:01:09 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Upcoming SHINKANSEN stuff!!


There has been quite some talk on this list about the beautiful/superb/etc.
TREMBLING BLUESTARS 'Her Handwriting' CD on Shinkansen (ex-Sarah), so here
is a bit of SHINKANSEN news (from 'Shinkansen Newsletter 1', July 1996):

SHINKANSEN 1 / 2 tr. 7" TREMBLING BLUESTARS 'Abba On The Jukebox' - still
available
SHINKANSEN 2 / 3-tr. 7" TOMPOT BLENNY 'Think Of Ways Of Keeping You Warm' -
sold out
SHINKANSEN 3 / 14-tr. CD TREMBLING BLUE STARS 'Her Handwriting' - still
available

B.T.W. Did anyone notice that 'Abba On The Jukebox' is very similar to the
brilliant 'Last September 's Farewell Kiss' from the NORTHERN PICTURE
LIBRARY 7"/CD (SARAH 95)?
(okay, I know, these are the same people...)


Due out late Summer:
SHINKANSEN 4 / 2-tr. 7" BLUEBOY 'Melancholia' (with Keris from BRIGHTER on
keyboards)
SHINKANSEN 5 / 3-tr. 7"& 6-tr. CDsingle TOMPOT BLENNY 'Green Is The Colour'
(CDsingle includes all SHINKANSEN 2 tracks)

TREMBLING BLUE STARS play Upstairs At The Garage, London today, July 4th(*)
and The Steam Inn, Brighton, Sunday July 28th (**).

Footnotes from the Newsletter:
(*) left out of Highbury & Islington tube, cross over the right WATCH OUT
FOR THAT BUS and it's in front of you - unless you've walked backwards, in
which case we don't want you at our gigs 'cos you're weird, are you.
(**) on Lewes Road towards Moulsecoomb so a bit rough, apparently.

Frank







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Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:19:10 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Cocteau Twins

              +0200 

Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:

>Uhm.  Are you talking about the Cocteau Twins?  Really?  Who've
>basically made exactly the same album nine times now?

Hey Lars, are you trolling?!

Yeah, I just can't tell my Blood Bitch from my Evangeline.  It's soooo
embarrassing when I want to play the CTs to my grandmother and I
accidentally put the one on instead of the other.

Simon Hughes


Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:27:56 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Kiss Name Is Alive


>From the desk of Gerry at Mercury/Polydor in Canada...

>P.S. I talked to Warren D. yesterday back from UK -- they performed
>Friday nite in KISS makeup since they had to miss Detroit Rock City.

Shock me!

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA


Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:04:40 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 2 Jul 1996 to 3 Jul 1996


Automatic digest processor wrote:
>
> There are 32 messages totalling 1146 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
>   1. Let's just rename this the DCD List and be done with it
>   2. EPS show
>   3. Shallow/ Swallow
>   4. various 4AD and non- (4)
>   5. shallow (3)
>   6. LINDA PERRY - Solo album (Lisa Germano guesting)
>   7. more non4ad than you'll ever be:
>   8. Edward Barton
>   9. var 4AD and NON: Area (2)
>  10. Dead Can Dance - NYC date
>  11. It's a Thorne Day.
>  12. Mojave 3 = Sadcore? (2)
>  13. more non4ad than you'll ever be? not me sista
>  14. online database
>  15. COCTEAUS KC DISASTER
>  16. Kodo and Ondekoza
>  17. Booth & The Bad Angel
>  18. "Wonderwall" covered! (2)
>  19. RAPOON and HNIA
>  20. Booth & the Bad Angel
>  21. Orbital/Halcyon
>  22. River Rimy This Can Be The Month!
>  23. Cocteau Twins News and Updates...
>  24. Spiritchaser
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:06:49 -0700
> From:    "L.K. Grier" 
> Subject: Re: Let's just rename this the DCD List and be done with it
>
> yes! if this is the japanese troupe who lives on an island where their lives
> are devoted to drumming...i saw a tv piece about them quite a while ago -
> incredible!
>
> >  From: naor , on 6/30/96 8:53 PM:
> >  on sun 30 jun owen o'flahenty wrote:
> >  >...There is nothing more powerful than organised percussion, ...
> >  >... but only *when performed live.* ..
> >
> >  one word springs to mind KODO
> >
> >  > ...a group of three drummers.. who were pounding out a thundering tribal
> >  >beat.  Nothing more.
> >
> >  make it a group of thirty drummers, pounding a sometimes thundering
> >  sometimes featherlight beat, on drums ranging in size from a large plate
> >  to a small elephant. KODO .beats, rhythms and bars you never imagined
> >  possible are performed with machine like accuracy, and a very human like
> >  emotion. KODO. the show that will make your body tremble like a leaf,
> >  while easing your soul to rest. and then, the other way round. KODO
> >  you can see it. you can hear it. you can FEEL it. but you sure as hell
> >  can NOT reproduce it. not with today's technology anyway. KODO
> >  one more time, all together now
> >                      KODO
> >                   sound of the drum
> >                        beat of the heart
> >
> >
> >         yeah
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:14:21 -0700
> From:    Dewdrops Records 
> Subject: EPS show
>
> No, it's not Encapsulated Postscript, but Eight Page Story!
> Lest you forget, they are playing at Genghis Cohen Cantina
> on Fairfax near Melrose tonight (Wednesday) at 10pm.
> The cover is a painful $7, or $3 with a flyer, and I would think
> this very message would count as one. It's going to be an
> unplugged set this time, and as I've said before, the music is
> poppy Sundays-ish, Cocteaus-ish, and very much thislisty. In
> an act of extreme optimism I even invited Ivo, fellow
> beautiful voices addict that he is.
>
> Another band of note is playing this Saturday at Un-Urban
> which is almost right next to the Alligator Lounge on Pico
> in Santa Monica. Known as The Floating House, they're an
> atmospheric guitar/female vocals duo. A few people have
> compared the vocals to Joan Baez (who?-- just kidding, although
> I really don't have a good idea what she sounds like). To me
> a more obvious reference is Annie Haslam from Renaissance
> (and when are *they* going to jump on the reunion tour bandwagon?)
>
> |     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
> | Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
> | Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
> | http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:39:35 -0400
> From:    Bernal Koehrsen 
> Subject: Re: Shallow/ Swallow
>
> Shallow is a great band from here in the Mid-West (Kansas City,Mo). They are
> very this-listy And are highly recomended. Swallow is much more mellow and
> airy while Shallow is more pop (see Cranes). And they happen to be a swell
> bunch of people too. I'd also like to say sorry for Kansas City's treatment
> of the Cocteau Twins, and stiil we all wonder how come we don't see as many
> alternative (mainly 4AD and such) come through.
>                                   Any other Cocteau Twins KC/Lawerence Fans?
>                                   drop me a line :)  BKoehrsen@aol.com
>
> "And you think you undersatnd one, because one and one make two, but you must
> also understand and...."
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:08:34 -0700
> From:    Jon Drahn 
> Subject: various 4AD and non-
>
> Greetings from Lurkersville!!!
>
> Well, I finally raked together enough cash to get Spiritchaser.  Had to do it,
> despite all the mixed reviews and hearing about half of it at a Tower listenin

> station about a month ago (wasn't too impressed at the time) I'm still a dieha
d
> fan.  I've listened to it once so far and my impression is, well... apathetic,
I
> guess.  There are some good songs; Song of the Dispossessed is probably my
> current favorite, but most of the album just seems to run together.  The whole
> thing seems to lack the substance and depth present in all DCD I have heard th
s
> far: (Passage in Time, Into the Labyrinth, Toward the Within, Self-titled 1st
> album, Aion).  I'm anxiously awaiting their arrival in Seattle Aug. 5 to see i

> a recent poster's report that the music is meant to be heard live, is accurate

> A few design criticisms:  I was discussing this with a fellow designer and DCD
> fan, and we came to the conclusion that the reason the design seems so bad is
> primarily the colors used.  The designer (Chris Bigg) took a completely
> different route than that had been used in the past (somber earthtones mainly)
> and used blues and reds.  This makes the whole thing seem cheap and
> insubstantial compared to past designs, where buying a DCD album came close to
a
> religious experience.  I don't know how much influence was exerted over this b

> Lisa and Brendan, but it's a departure I don't personally care for.
>
> I've also recently picked up a few other thislisty albums that have been
> recommended:  Area/ The Perfect Dream; great stuff.  I'd never heard of them
> before this list, so thank you Area fans!  Anyone know how many albums they ha
e
> released?  Also, I found Pale Saints/ Slow Buildings used and really like it. 
I
> listened to In Ribbons in the store, which seems to be the favorite PS album o

> this list, but it didn't grab me as much as Slow Buildings.  Must be that
> dynamic intro on "King Fade" that did it.  Last but not least, I got The City 
f
> Lost Children soundtrack.  Pretty good.  A couple of observations:  Marianne
> Faithfull's voice sounds a heckuva lot like Jimmy Scott's on the Twin Peaks:
> Fire Walk With Me soundtrack in the song "Sycamore Trees".  Also, does anyone
> think the theme on this soundtrack sounds similar to the theme from The Elepha
t
> Man, by a different composer?  David Lynch directed this movie, as he did Twin
> Peaks, so I'm wondering if Badalamenti borrowed a bit.  It's not something I c
n
> put my finger on, but one really reminds me of the other.
>
> I asked about the Booth and the Bad Angel disc, but the clerk (Wherehouse) had
> no clue.  He hadn't even heard of James.  Does anyone know if this has been
> released in the US yet?  Sorry if this has been discussed.
>
> Well, sorry this is so long and only slightly list-related.
>
> Back to Lurkersville,
>
> Jon
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 02:38:10 -0400
> From:    Nelson Jennifer 
> Subject: shallow
>
> just to put another word in for shallow.
>
> they played recently in toronto for the north by northeast fest (the
> quiet cousin of south by southwest).  they are most thislistie and worth
> a listen.
>
> any idea what label they signed to (if any) and how to get hold of any
> release(s)?  record stores here are lacking to say the least.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:52:37 +-200
> From:    Jason Curtis 
> Subject: LINDA PERRY - Solo album (Lisa Germano guesting)
>
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> Just a bit of useless info - I got hold of Linda Perry's (aka - L7) solo =
> effort yesterday - Lisa Germano is credited for Violin on the album....
>
> Have a great day !
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> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:57:49 +-200
> From:    Jason Curtis 
> Subject: Re: various 4AD and non-
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> TIm Booth and the Bad Angel album was released Tuesday (02 July) in the States
...Accordinging to the Promotions Dept @ Polygram....
>
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> From:   Jon Drahn[SMTP:pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM]
> Sent:   03 July 1996 08:08
> To:     Multiple recipients of list 4AD-L
> Subject:        various 4AD and non-
>
> Greetings from Lurkersville!!!
>
> Well, I finally raked together enough cash to get Spiritchaser.  Had to do it,
> despite all the mixed reviews and hearing about half of it at a Tower listenin

> station about a month ago (wasn't too impressed at the time) I'm still a dieha
d
> fan.  I've listened to it once so far and my impression is, well... apathetic,
I
> guess.  There are some good songs; Song of the Dispossessed is probably my
> current favorite, but most of the album just seems to run together.  The whole
> thing seems to lack the substance and depth present in all DCD I have heard th
s
> far: (Passage in Time, Into the Labyrinth, Toward the Within, Self-titled 1st
> album, Aion).  I'm anxiously awaiting their arrival in Seattle Aug. 5 to see i

> a recent poster's report that the music is meant to be heard live, is accurate

> A few design criticisms:  I was discussing this with a fellow designer and DCD
> fan, and we came to the conclusion that the reason the design seems so bad is
> primarily the colors used.  The designer (Chris Bigg) took a completely
> different route than that had been used in the past (somber earthtones mainly)
> and used blues and reds.  This makes the whole thing seem cheap and
> insubstantial compared to past designs, where buying a DCD album came close to
a
> religious experience.  I don't know how much influence was exerted over this b

> Lisa and Brendan, but it's a departure I don't personally care for.
>
> I've also recently picked up a few other thislisty albums that have been
> recommended:  Area/ The Perfect Dream; great stuff.  I'd never heard of them
> before this list, so thank you Area fans!  Anyone know how many albums they ha
e
> released?  Also, I found Pale Saints/ Slow Buildings used and really like it. 
I
> listened to In Ribbons in the store, which seems to be the favorite PS album o

> this list, but it didn't grab me as much as Slow Buildings.  Must be that
> dynamic intro on "King Fade" that did it.  Last but not least, I got The City 
f
> Lost Children soundtrack.  Pretty good.  A couple of observations:  Marianne
> Faithfull's voice sounds a heckuva lot like Jimmy Scott's on the Twin Peaks:
> Fire Walk With Me soundtrack in the song "Sycamore Trees".  Also, does anyone
> think the theme on this soundtrack sounds similar to the theme from The Elepha
t
> Man, by a different composer?  David Lynch directed this movie, as he did Twin
> Peaks, so I'm wondering if Badalamenti borrowed a bit.  It's not something I c
n
> put my finger on, but one really reminds me of the other.
>
> I asked about the Booth and the Bad Angel disc, but the clerk (Wherehouse) had
> no clue.  He hadn't even heard of James.  Does anyone know if this has been
> released in the US yet?  Sorry if this has been discussed.
>
> Well, sorry this is so long and only slightly list-related.
>
> Back to Lurkersville,
>
> Jon
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:23:04 -0700
> From:    Aaron Thorne 
> Subject: Re: shallow
>
> > any idea what label they signed to (if any) and how to get hold of any
> > release(s)?  record stores here are lacking to say the least.
>
> They are on Zero Hour and have, er, 5 (?) releases thus far.  The album
> (3d stereo trouble) and 6 song ep (cd laser lens cleaner) should be pretty
> easy to locate.  The other singles/eps might not be but I haven't looked.
> Check the Zero Hour web page for more information.  I'm not sure of the
> url.
>
> aaron
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:46:17 -0700
> From:    noisegirl 
> Subject: more non4ad than you'll ever be:
>
>   "it was much better than Cats. i'm going to see it again & again."
>
>   i was one of the freaks who went out on opening day to see
>   independence day. let me just say, for any lover of kool special
>   effects and alien mangling in film, YOU MUST SEE THIS FILM.
>   go now! all of you!!! run to your nearest theater, steal a ticket,
>   and prepare to watch the koolest thing i've ever seen since the
>   first alien film. i may very well have nightmares tonight, especially
>   since i know rather reputable people who've seen li'l flying objects
>   and have had interesting conversations with military personnel on
>   such matters....but all the weirded outness is worth it. tho, i think if
>   we are ever mass-invaded by funky space creatures..i will either
>   a) run for the mountains or b) commit suicide.
>
>   jeff goldblum rocks,
>   sunburnt k-j
>
>   ...also, go out and buy the new lovesliescrushing. it's beeyooteafull...
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:49:52 BST
> From:    Simon Hughes 
> Subject: Edward Barton
>
> Andrew Norman wrote:
>
> >Ed Barton was (probably still is) a Mancunian cult figure - there was a
> >tribute album which featured two halves of Stump and the Inspiral
> >Carpets amongst others
>
> Including "Jane" herself who did the original version of Barton's "It's a
> Fine Day".  I think her contribution to the EB tribute might have been her
> version of "Slap Belly".  Great stuff.
>
> I'm so sure that Tracey Thorn has never had anything to do with "It's a
> Fine Day" that I'll eat my keyboard if she has.  Treat that statement with
> disdain though.  I had to eat my last keyboard after claiming that Meriel
> Barham was never in Lush.
>
> >I think it was
> >Barton who used to pop up on "The Tube" (seminal early eighties UK music
> >show) from time to time - with a record player slung round his neck,
> >singing songs with titles like "I have no chickens but I have a wooden
> >chair".
>
> Please, it's "I got no chickens but I got five wooden chairs".  He used to
> "play" the guitar as well.  In fact I think he used to hang out at gigs
> begging for support slots.  When he got them, he would caterwaul and just
> use the guitar as a percussion instrument.  I remember seeing him once or
> twice under such circumstances.  I was always rather chuffed at the outrage
> and lack of humour expressed towards EB by those around me.  I tended to
> rather like his more abstract offerings but even if I didn't, he was always
> very funny.
>
> Other interesting facts about Eddie baby.  He has a wood fetish and
> basically collects wood, f'rinstance sodding great railway sleepers.  You
> can see the evidence of this fetish in the video for James' "Sit Down"
> which, if memory serves, features a number of large wooden thrones.
> Actually, Eddie is a well respected video director.
>
> Also, Ed did the classic "Knob gob".  Well, it's a classic if a part of you
> is a twelve year old schoolboy.
>
> Simon Hughes
> email: tcssph@aie.lreg.co.uk
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:40:51 EDT
> From:    "Barry A. Mathews" 
> Subject: Re: various 4AD and non-
>
> ---Jon wrote:
> I asked about the Booth and the Bad Angel disc, but the clerk (Wherehouse) had
> no clue.  He hadn't even heard of James.  Does anyone know if this has been
> released in the US yet?  Sorry if this has been discussed.
> --- end of quoted material ---
>
> It's been brought up, but no US date (only UK) has been given.  Does anyone
> know?
>
> Barry
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:05:29 -0700
> From:    "Scott, Mari & Brian" 
> Subject: Re: shallow
>
> >Check the Zero Hour web page for more information.  I'm not sure of
> >the url.
>
> Check out their homepage! I think they are having some sort of giveaway
> if you answer some questions.
>
> Http://www.zerohour.com/index.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:13:00 -0400
> From:    Gregory Lawrence Smith 
> Subject: Re: var 4AD and NON: Area
>
> > Greetings from Lurkersville!!!
>
> Hi.
>
> 
>
> > I've also recently picked up a few other thislisty albums that have been
> > recommended:  Area/ The Perfect Dream; great stuff.  I'd never heard of them
> > before this list, so thank you Area fans!  Anyone know how many albums they 
ave
> > released?
>
> Well, as far as I know, there are 4 albums.  Between Purple And Pink (I'm
> looking to buy this if anyone has a spare...), Radio Caroline, The Perfect
> Dream, and Fragments In The Morning.  That last one is done without the
> guitarist, so it's mostly that electric piano stuff.  And if you like
> Area, you'll also like:
>         The Moon Seven Times.  Check out the self-titled album and 7=49.
> Both bands have appeared on ramdon compilations as well (Across This Grey
> Land, Heavenly Voices, etc.)
>
> And I've heard a rumour that Projekt will be reissuing the Area cd's on
> Relic beginning at the end of the year.  Anyone know anything about this?
>
> > Back to Lurkersville,
>
> -greg
> gt7003b@prism.gatech.edu
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:53:57 -0400
> From:    "...handsome devil..." 
> Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance - NYC date
>
> i got my tix about two weeks ago, and according to the guy at the box office,
>         it was nearly sold out.  he said that they *might* add another show,
>         if there was a great demand for it, but i have called over the weekend
>         to check, and they said that they had no info on a second date. :(
> good luck getting tix.  anyone else going to the NYC date?
>
> JHR
>
> On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Craig Gordon wrote:
>
> > Hello all!
> >         I am new here, and was wondering if anyone had any info regarding
> > the NYC concert (I think its at NY City Center on the 17th)... Does anyone
> > have ticket info?
> >         Thanks,
> >         Craig
> >         CGordon1@magic.hofstra.edu
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:05:26 +-200
> From:    Jason Curtis 
> Subject: Re: various 4AD and non-
>
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>
> ----------
> From:   Barry A. Mathews[SMTP:Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET]
> Sent:   03 July 1996 14:40
> To:     Multiple recipients of list 4AD-L
> Subject:        Re: various 4AD and non-
>
> ---Jon wrote:
> I asked about the Booth and the Bad Angel disc, but the clerk (Wherehouse) had
> no clue.  He hadn't even heard of James.  Does anyone know if this has been
> released in the US yet?  Sorry if this has been discussed.
> --- end of quoted material ---
>
> It's been brought up, but no US date (only UK) has been given.  Does anyone
> know?
>
> Barry
>
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>
> Date:    Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:00:04 -0700
> From:    einexile the meek 
> Subject: Re: It's a Thorne Day.
>
> On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:
>
> > Actually the Yes sample on Orbital's 'Halcyon...' is from the acapella
> > version of 'Leave It' not 'Owner of a Lonely Heart'
> >
> > a little hair splitting I know...
>
> I don't hear either. Can you be more specific about the sound and its
> location in the song? I haven't heard those songs for years. (I should
> have, maybe.)

It's the male vocal "electronic chorus" that comes in exactly at the 4:00
mark on the original 'Halcyon.'  It's more difficult to pick out in the
brown album's more mellow 'Halcyon + On + On.'

David.


Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:07:04 +0800
From: Lim Kian Hong (qland@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: Re: Upcoming SHINKANSEN stuff!!


>SHINKANSEN 3 / 14-tr. CD TREMBLING BLUE STARS 'Her Handwriting' - still
>available

uhm...any reviews on this album? or have u all already discussed this...=20

thanks!

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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:11:41 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Muses on Radcliffe


Hi all,
        Throwing Muses played live on Mark Radcliffe's Radio 1 show in the UK
last night (Wednesday). I only caught it by accident which is why I didn't post
a prior warning to the list. Anyway, they played three songs - Shark (the next
single, out on the 29th), Serene and Ruthie's Knocking. The sound was raw and
fuzzy, but pretty powerful. I'm notoriously crap at judging Kristin's songs on
one listen - they always take a few hearings before they convince me - so I
can't really say whether Limbo will be a sparkling return to form on this
evidence, but they sounded pretty good.

By the way, I posted a lukewarm review of the new Spring Heel Jack LP the other
day. Now the wax has fallen out of my ears, I'll have to correct myself, and say
it's superb.

And finally - Underworld's 'Born Slippy' is back out - on two CDs, featuring a
colossal eleven minute thumpathon (same or similar mix as the original Nuxx, but
longer), and three new mixes (which are good, but not great), a rather clumsy
radio edit, an Alex Reece mix of Banstyle (very so-so - does Reece know any
other beats?), and the pure genius that is the Dark Train version of Dark And
Long.

- Dez


Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:26:52 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: The great Cocteau purges


>What a crass statement.  Are you talking about the same band?  Sure there
>are similarities between certain albums(you will find this to be true of
>many bands; and ALSO indicative of evolution)...but to say that each and
>every album is exactly the same???  Get over it.  Those of you who are so
>damn anti-Cocteau Twins need to move on out of your bitter states and find
>something else to talk about.  A person can't even mention the band in a
>positive way on this list without invoking the wrath of some list god.
>Hell, you would almost think that there should be something in the FAQ
>warning all newcomers that pro-Cocteau Twins posts are not tolerated.
>
>Stratton

Calm down, calm down. I think you're choosing to ignore the fact that a good
quarter of all posts here seem to be concerned with all things Cocteau, most of
which are gushing fan-like things. Perhaps it's this volume of stuff that gets
the hackles up of people who simply cannot understand how this dismally ordinary
music gets so deified. But really, if you lay on the hyperbole, then really
you're asking to be shot down in flames. I think most people on this list have
some degree of affection for something that the band did in the past, but it was
all so long ago - when will Guthrie et al realise that this particular horse has
long since passed away?

- Dez


Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:38:57 -0700
From: "Reality's email account" (mcclure@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: various stuff: Area/Lush/Rollerskate Skinny/etc


Hi all.  It's July 4 and time to delurk for a moment
and dispense with some opinions:

AREA - Remember the big hoopla awhile ago when Glen T. Greenman
was given a hard time for suggesting that he might get
rid of his 4 area discs in a lottery?  Well, after several
folks had a fit about a consensual relationship between two
adults, he decided to sell them to me.  (I had made him an
offer prior to the lottery idea, and though I didn't want
to participate in a lottery, I didn't call him a moron for
wanting to do so.  For once in my life, I was rewarded for
being a nice guy.  What did I pay? None of your business.)
Anyway, the net result is that I simultaneously acquired the
entire CD catalogue of the band.  The first impression was
how much the four CDs sound alike.  A very similar aesthetic
runs through the whole set, which has made it very difficult
to tell the CDs apart.  I've yet to pick a favorite of the
bunch, but I am growing fond of Radio Caroline (the debut)
and Between Purple and Pink (the last one with Henry Frayne
on guitar).  RC has a nice sparce, minimalist sound, whereas
BP&P is their most lush, full sound.  The only downside of the
Area sound is that bloody drum machine.  I had forgotten how
insipid mid-80s Casio drum machines could sound!  Suicide was
the only band that could make those things sound natural.

ROLLERSKATE SKINNY - A great band with a stooopid name.  I
bought _Horsedrawn Wishes_ (another stupid name) after Brant
Dewdrops raved about it.  He's right. It's an excellent CD.
A very well done guitar-based CD.  I plan to buy the followup
CD as soon as I find it used.

LUSH - Am I the only one that has noticed all the inacuracies
in the official 4AD pages?  You'd think that the "official"
material would make some attempt to be accurate.  I quote:
"They released _Mad Love_ featuring their trademark single
'Sweetness and Light'".  Erm... no. S&L was on a release
of the same name, whereas their "trademark" single is no
doubt "de-luxe", which *IS* on _Mad Love_.

OK, enough for now.

Reality


Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:09:29 PST
From: "Martin A. HOYT" (MAHOYT@UCI.EDU)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges


Dez wrote:

>Calm down, calm down. I think you're choosing to ignore the fact that a good
>quarter of all posts here seem to be concerned with all things Cocteau, most of
>which are gushing fan-like things. Perhaps it's this volume of stuff that
>gets the hackles up of people who simply cannot understand how this dismally
>ordinary music gets so deified.

I think whether or not you "deify" the current CT output depends on when you
first started listening to the CT.  I find that people who were introduced
to the Cocteaus by HOLV-era stuff tend to prefer the newer material to the
mid-80's stuff.  Whereas those of us who discovered them earlier are less
enamored with their more recent output.  Reasons for liking CT based on
hearing "Five Ten Fiftyfold" (my first exposure), are bound to be very
different from those based on hearing "Pur".

I would also disagree with Lars, except with regard to Milk and Kisses, which
really does sound like someone trying to create the stereotypical CT album.
I find their sound has evolved over the years, except that (for me) something
was lost after "Crushed" which has made them progressively less interesting.

>But really, if you lay on the hyperbole, then really you're asking to be
>shot down in flames. I think most people on this list have some degree of
>affection for something that the band did in the past, but it was
>all so long ago - when will Guthrie et al realise that this particular horse
>has long since passed away?

I really think we need a warning in the FAQ about this, since this topic
seems to come up again and again.  Something to the effect that the list is
basically divided into those who like the new CT and those who prefer their
earlier work (Is BBK a good cutoff point?).  So anybody posting about current
CT output can be forewarned about possible backlash.

BTW, there is a review of MAK in the current issue of Option which should
delight half this list, and enrage the other.  The reviewer compares MAK (in
quality) to Treasure. (I was wondering if we listened to the same album.)

Martin

Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:59:39 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 = Sadcore?


On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:

> At 8:17 AM 7/3/96, einexile the meek wrote:

> >The term has been around for quite some time but fortunately they called
> >in the Center for Disease Control early and they managed to to contain it
> >to the "Bay Area", which is why you haven't heard it. Unfortunately, for
> >some silly reason they decided against nuking the area from orbit and
> >some of the actual music managed to escape. Tsk, tsk.

> e wish he could live in an area so beautiful and free of toxic life forms
> such as himself. Sadcore rrrrules!

Are you talking about Berkeley?

Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:12:44 -0400
From: "Henk g.a.j. Braam/Irma Pane" (hbraam@POP.EROLS.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 2 Jul 1996 to 3 Jul 1996


could someboddy give me a hint how to get connected with people
who can master an album we made, we want to make an cd overhere,

thnak
h.g.a.j. braam / Irma Pane


Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:36:31 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: DCD Songlist


To the LUCKY ones who have attended the shows of DCD current tour:

Which songs are they playing on this tour? I got tickets to the Mexico City
show (aug 28, 5th row!), and I want to know what will i be expecting... this
will be my  1st DCD concert.

Gracias!
Pepe
*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************

Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:57:32 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges


>I think whether or not you "deify" the current CT output depends on when=
 you
>first started listening to the CT.  I find that people who were introduced
>to the Cocteaus by HOLV-era stuff tend to prefer the newer material to the
>mid-80's stuff.  Whereas those of us who discovered them earlier are less
>enamored with their more recent output.  Reasons for liking CT based on
>hearing "Five Ten Fiftyfold" (my first exposure), are bound to be very
>different from those based on hearing "Pur".
>

I started to listen to the Twins with HOLV, at first it really didn=B4t grab
me at all, i was deeply into Neworder, Depeche, the Cure, etc; so it was
something quite new fo me. After a while (HOLV was shelved) a friend of mine
put Treasure for me... it absolutely moved me (specially hearing it at sea)!
 After that i started to listen more and more to them and I found out that I
like both periods a lot: I love Treasure,The Moon and..., Akiea Guinea,
Pearly..., HOLV & M&K. Head over heels is Ok but only that; Garlands is
another band for me so I really don=B4t like (except for 4 tracks); 4CC is
very weak, even though Pur is one hell of a song.
BBK is good and nothing more.

The point here is I don=B4t think that there are 2 periods (new & old) but
every lp is a different era for them. The eps can be grouped into periods
but the lp don=B4t. So I don=B4t really think that they have been doing the=
 same
thing nine times in a row... M&K is similar to BBK but is, IMO, far superior
than BBK.=20

What I love about the twins is that they can create a new different
soundscape every album an still sound terrific.

Those where my 2 pesos...

Pepe

*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************


Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:59:48 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges


At 18:26 7/4/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>What a crass statement.  Are you talking about the same band?  Sure there
>>are similarities between certain albums(you will find this to be true of
>>many bands; and ALSO indicative of evolution)...but to say that each and
>>every album is exactly the same???  Get over it.  Those of you who are so
>>damn anti-Cocteau Twins need to move on out of your bitter states and find
>>something else to talk about.  A person can't even mention the band in a
>>positive way on this list without invoking the wrath of some list god.
>>Hell, you would almost think that there should be something in the FAQ
>>warning all newcomers that pro-Cocteau Twins posts are not tolerated.
>>
>>Stratton
>
>Calm down, calm down. I think you're choosing to ignore the fact that a good
>quarter of all posts here seem to be concerned with all things Cocteau, most of
>which are gushing fan-like things. Perhaps it's this volume of stuff that gets
>the hackles up of people who simply cannot understand how this dismally
ordinary
>music gets so deified. But really, if you lay on the hyperbole, then really
>you're asking to be shot down in flames. I think most people on this list have
>some degree of affection for something that the band did in the past, but
it was
>all so long ago - when will Guthrie et al realise that this particular
horse has
>long since passed away?
>
>- Dez
>

Dez,

Maybe you should heed your own advice and "calm down" yourself. Obviously
your calling CT "dismally ordinary music" is a dismally ordinary tactic with
the sole purpose of starting a protracted flame war between CT fans and a
few 4AD loyalists who are somehow peeved at CT for their label change, and
probably also peeved at CT's perseverence and the continued fan
support/critical acclaim they keep earning (particularly with the success of
the recent tour. Even Washington Post music critic Mark Jenkins, one of
those critics who loves to hate everything and often tears bands to shreds,
absolutely raved about CT's most recent 3 releases.)

In summary, CT fans who participate in the 4AD list will continue to sing
the praises (and sometimes, heaven forbid, even "gush") of CT, 4AD bands,
thislisty bands, and even notlisty bands...so get used to it!

Peace,

Carol Coney


Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:44:52 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 = Sadcore?


At 1:59 PM 7/4/96, einexile the meek wrote:
>On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Elvia M. Tarango wrote:
>
>> At 8:17 AM 7/3/96, einexile the meek wrote:
>
>> >The term has been around for quite some time but fortunately they called
>> >in the Center for Disease Control early and they managed to to contain it
>> >to the "Bay Area", which is why you haven't heard it. Unfortunately, for
>> >some silly reason they decided against nuking the area from orbit and
>> >some of the actual music managed to escape. Tsk, tsk.
>
>> e wish he could live in an area so beautiful and free of toxic life forms
>> such as himself. Sadcore rrrrules!
>
>Are you talking about Berkeley?

Of course. Berkeley is the epicenter of life as we know it.:)

Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:04:44 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: The great Cocteau purges


At 21:57 7/4/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>I think whether or not you "deify" the current CT output depends on when=
 you
>>first started listening to the CT.  I find that people who were introduced
>>to the Cocteaus by HOLV-era stuff tend to prefer the newer material to the
>>mid-80's stuff.  Whereas those of us who discovered them earlier are less
>>enamored with their more recent output.  Reasons for liking CT based on
>>hearing "Five Ten Fiftyfold" (my first exposure), are bound to be very
>>different from those based on hearing "Pur".
>>
>
>I started to listen to the Twins with HOLV, at first it really didn=B4t=
 grab
>me at all, i was deeply into Neworder, Depeche, the Cure, etc; so it was
>something quite new fo me. After a while (HOLV was shelved) a friend of=
 mine
>put Treasure for me... it absolutely moved me (specially hearing it at=
 sea)!
> After that i started to listen more and more to them and I found out that=
 I
>like both periods a lot: I love Treasure,The Moon and..., Akiea Guinea,
>Pearly..., HOLV & M&K. Head over heels is Ok but only that; Garlands is
>another band for me so I really don=B4t like (except for 4 tracks); 4CC is
>very weak, even though Pur is one hell of a song.
>BBK is good and nothing more.
>
>The point here is I don=B4t think that there are 2 periods (new & old) but
>every lp is a different era for them. The eps can be grouped into periods
>but the lp don=B4t. So I don=B4t really think that they have been doing the=
 same
>thing nine times in a row... M&K is similar to BBK but is, IMO, far=
 superior
>than BBK.=20
>
>What I love about the twins is that they can create a new different
>soundscape every album an still sound terrific.
>
>Those where my 2 pesos...
>
>Pepe
>
>*************************************************
>'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
>                               The Sundays
>*************************************************

Hola, mi amigo,

Mi espanol no es muy bueno, pero mi ingles is "OK", entonces...

You have great taste in music, Pepe! But I disagree on one point, because I
am one of those persons who discovered Cocteau Twins with "Treasure", which
I still think is one of their best. Then I bought every record that came
before, which of course are very different, then I bought every record
since. (Obviously I have a lot of early stuff on vinyl, tho I have the CD's
now for frequent playing). To summarize, there are many of us who like
everything CT has done, some more than others, and look forward to future
work and evolution.

Peace,

Carol Coney

P.S. Viva Los Cocteau Twins!
>

Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 04:11:05 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins


Simon Hughes  writes:

> Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>
> >Uhm.  Are you talking about the Cocteau Twins?  Really?  Who've
> >basically made exactly the same album nine times now?
>
> Hey Lars, are you trolling?!

I was perhaps overstating my case *slightly*.

> Yeah, I just can't tell my Blood Bitch from my Evangeline.  It's soooo
> embarrassing when I want to play the CTs to my grandmother and I
> accidentally put the one on instead of the other.


But can you really tell the difference between T/EiaSB/BBK/HoLV/M&K?
Except that the drum machine sounds progressively less cheesy?

Holding up CT as Paragons of Change sounds a bit odd to me.  They have
two phases -- Goth Punk People v. Dreamy Swirly People.  Not much
development in either phase.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 04:17:57 +0200
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser


Stratton Davis  writes:

> What a crass statement.  Are you talking about the same band?  Sure there
> are similarities between certain albums(you will find this to be true of
> many bands; and ALSO indicative of evolution)...but to say that each and
> every album is exactly the same???

They've gotten better drum machines.  That's as far as it goes in the
musical development area since, say, 1987.

> Get over it.  Those of you who are so damn anti-Cocteau Twins need
> to move on out of your bitter states and find something else to talk
> about.

What makes you think I don't like CT?  I *adore* Treasure and BBK, and
I like HoLV, and M&K sounds nice enough.

> A person can't even mention the band in a positive way on this list
> without invoking the wrath of some list god.

Wrath?  List god?  What planet are you from?

You held up CT as an example of a band that has changed greatly, and
that's absurd.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 22:56:01 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: Re: various stuff: Area/Lush/Rollerskate Skinny/etc


>ROLLERSKATE SKINNY - A great band with a stooopid name.  I
>bought _Horsedrawn Wishes_ (another stupid name) after Brant
>Dewdrops raved about it.  He's right. It's an excellent CD.
>A very well done guitar-based CD.  I plan to buy the followup
>CD as soon as I find it used.
>
i agree, terrible name, but 'horsedrawn wishes' is quite good.  what's this
about a followup?  didn't they just release this one about 5 months ago?
tony

Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:03:15 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: soil X samples: 7" - tarnation, liquorice.


recently i found a yellow vinyl 7" of tarnation "do you fancy me" and
liquorice "team player" on the ?soil x samples? label.  what is the story
behind this?
'team player' was remixed by warren defever july 17, 1995 and 'do you fancy
me' was re-recorded by warn also.  the label of the record also says the
record is 'dedicated to all the animals in nature 1995'
interesting.
tony

Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:37:42 EDT
From: paul patry (ppatry@CHAT.CARLETON.CA)
Subject: DCD TICKET FOR SALE


I have a dead can dance ticket for the toronto date for sale.
The show is on the 15th of july the ticket is fourth row balcony,
regretfully i can not go.

if interested e-mail at ppatry@chat.carleton.ca


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