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Subject: Re: Digest
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:03:19 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: online database
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:42:05 +0100
From: Giuseppe Idone (giuidone@ATS.IT)
Subject: Re: Opus III
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:32:14 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: ed barton / it's a fine day (was opus 3)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:51:42 -0700
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: DCD/Beatles - 4AD cover songs
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:47:05 -0400
From: stretch out and wait (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Tortoise - Music for Workgroups
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:15:21 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: HNIA album release?
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 06:37:09 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: COCTEAUS KC DISASTER
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:33:33 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: HNIA album release?
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:12:14 -0400
From: the great cornholio (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: A Mass Reissue ?
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:26:57 -0700
From: Michael Buck (mbuck@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: It's a Thorne Day.
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:38:04 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Dead Can Dance - NYC date
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:22:42 -0400
From: Craig Gordon (cgordon1@MAGIC.HOFSTRA.EDU)
Subject: Re: It's a Thorne Day.
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:34:04 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Tortoise - Music for Workgroups-HELP
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 01:39:41 +0000
From: JONNY SOEPARMIN (avoh@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: HNIA album release?
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:50:20 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Dead Can Dance Screening
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:39:12 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: the e-bow
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:37:44 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Dubstar. Saint Etnenne. Pet Shop Boys??
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:36:38 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Tour Dates
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:49:20 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: the e-bow
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:32:34 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Shallow/ Swallow
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:18:47 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Shallow/ Swallow
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:39:21 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: RACHEL'S ax to grind
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:04:21 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA album release?
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:28:03 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Mojave 3 = Sadcore?
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:38:00 PDT
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 = Sadcore?
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:45:26 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)

Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:03:19 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Digest

              2 Jul 1996 14:21:32 +1000

>   >Is a digest form of this mailing list available? If so,
>   how can I subscribe?
>
>   somebody Pls. email me privately about how to get this
>   list in digest form.

You must stand on only your left foot and say the magic words:  "Ef Ay Queue,"
three times softly (if you have ruby slippers it helps).

If that doesn't suit you then try mailing listserv@american.edu  with the magic
word "help" to find all sorts of new mystical mantras.

-cz


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:42:05 +0100
From: Giuseppe Idone (giuidone@ATS.IT)
Subject: online database


Anyone knows online databases of LP and CDs?


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:32:14 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Opus III


 einexile the meek  wrote on Mon, 1 Jul 1996
 (Subject: Re: Opus III)
 > On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:
 >
 > > And did Orbital sample this too on "Halcyon" or is it just
 > > strangely similar?
 >
 > Actually it is a cover of her song, but I'm fairly certain it's the
 > same girl on this as sings on the rest of Mind Fruit.  Halcyon
 > credits only the Opus III performance for the sample used, though
 > writer credit is given to the same person (Barton) that Opus III
 > credited.
 >
 > > from a solo track she did on a mid-80s Rough Trade compilation.
 >
 > !! - I had no iea it was a compilation track or on Rough Trade.  I
 > thought it was just some awful little pop song they overhauled.

Ed Barton was (probably still is) a Mancunian cult figure - there was a
tribute album which featured two halves of Stump and the Inspiral
Carpets amongst others, and the IS song ("Two Cows") was later available
as a B-side - it's about cows licking the singer's face.  I think it was
Barton who used to pop up on "The Tube" (seminal early eighties UK music
show) from time to time - with a record player slung round his neck,
singing songs with titles like "I have no chickens but I have a wooden
chair".  The original "It's a Fine Day", I seem to remember, had a
Robert Wyatt sound - reedy vocals and an almost ambient musical track.
Whether the "da da dee" vocals are Tracy Thorne or Ms Opus is another
matter - they don't sound much like TT to me.

Jack - I have been rather critical in the past, but the album (see
below) makes more sense than the singles.  Still not adding up to the
sum of their Scott Walker / Blue Aeroplanes influences, but nowhere near
as bad as I had originally thought.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 02/07/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Jack - Pioneer Soundtracks


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:51:42 -0700
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: ed barton / it's a fine day (was opus 3)


mr norman:

>Ed Barton was (probably still is) a Mancunian cult figure - there was a
>tribute album which featured two halves of Stump and the Inspiral
>Carpets amongst others, and the IS song ("Two Cows") was later available
>as a B-side - it's about cows licking the singer's face. I think it was
>Barton who used to pop up on "The Tube" (seminal early eighties UK music
>show) from time to time - with a record player slung round his neck,
>singing songs with titles like "I have no chickens but I have a wooden
>chair". The original "It's a Fine Day", I seem to remember, had a
>Robert Wyatt sound - reedy vocals and an almost ambient musical track.
>Whether the "da da dee" vocals are Tracy Thorne or Ms Opus is another
>matter - they don't sound much like TT to me.

i'd forgotten the tube appearance - we talked about nothing else the monday
after at school - yep, that dreadful.

ed barton has been most recently seen on radcliffe's radio show here in the
uk, but not recently. after the success of the opus 3 single he was going to
use the money to do something else in the same vein - his songs done by
unknown girl singers. don't know how far this got. wasn't he responsible for
the inspirals t-shirt designs? he also had an exhibition on in manchester
called 'theft' or something where all the exhibits were everday items that
had been shoplifted.

as for 'it's a fine day' i think it was done by a girl called 'jane' and it
was virtually acapella. i think it was re-released after the opus 3 single
too. i can even remember some of the lyrics:

sitting in these fields
i remember how we were going to
sit in these fields
but never quite did -
rain or appointments or something...
(which didn't make it into the opus 3 version and...)

it's a fine day
people open windows
they leave their houses
just for a short while
(...which did)

the da da dee bits are in the original. make that 2 votes against it being
tracy thorn.
--
a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk
clive sinclair stole my childhood...


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:47:05 -0400
From: stretch out and wait (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD/Beatles - 4AD cover songs


On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, liles melissa m wrote:

> For some of us on the list who fancy ourselves musicians you can
> confirm this, but when sitting down and hacking out chords and re-
> arranging nice accompanying sounds/chords/licks what have you, I
> often find that I am playing someone elses music by accident!  When
> practicing, I constantly figure out other peoples songs without even
> trying...I don't know how much your *sub-conscious* plays a part in
> it...perhaps its some kind of principle of shared knowledge (Carl
> Jung) or maybe it is just musical baggage (the same goes for making
> visual art)...Sometimes we can hear something just once and it becomes
> ingrained in our sub-conscious and then we unknowingly imitate
> it...anyone else agree?
>


        i agree completely. i suppose what i was reacting to
        was mr holtzman's contention that dcd were unaware
        of the borrowing from the beatles. the extent
        of this borrowing on 'indus' is krazy, and the
        similarity in connotation between the original
        (sitar, india/maharishi/trippiness) and the
        new goods (indus, india) seems an impossible conicidence.


        that riff from within/without you takes up almost a third
        of the song!

        dan k,
        who pulled out the beatles vinyl yesterday and played
        both songs back to back and recommends that you do the same

Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:15:21 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Tortoise - Music for Workgroups


Second of the Tortoise remix EPs - this one remixed by Oval, and
interesting rather than enjoyable (the remixes of "Djed" by UNKLE and
John Mackentire (sp?) are wonderful).  I'm only familiar with Oval
through their ultra-abstract track on the "Folds and Rhizomes"
compilation, and this is in similar style - a lot of clicking, pinging
and pure tones, nothing much in the way of tune or groove.  Unlike the
previous EP, this sounds nothing like Tortoise (there's no indication of
which tracks from "Millions..." these are allegedly remixes of).
Probably best avoided unless you particularly like the experimental side
of techno.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 02/07/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Jack - Pioneer Soundtracks

Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 06:37:09 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: HNIA album release?


does anyone have the latest on the HNIA album? I talked to Trey the other
day, and i did not ask him onnaccounta he dont like to talk about
it(although he loves to talk about velour100)
thanks
sean

Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 23:33:33 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: COCTEAUS KC DISASTER


>Reporting from Kansas City the site of yesterdays disasterous Lolopalooza I
>bring this report with deep regret and consternation. The Cocteau Twins
>performed to a crowd of hate mongering Mettallica fans and were jeered off
>the stage with mudballs and verbal abuse.

What sort of moronic promoter would put CT in front of Metallica???

*ooops* Sorry I forgot, it's a loolapalooza gig>>> self explainatory.

Next year:Heidi Berri tours with Megadeath








Arthur Chan
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:12:14 -0400
From: the great cornholio (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA album release?

u>

On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, sean devine wrote:

> does anyone have the latest on the HNIA album? I talked to Trey the other
> day, and i did not ask him onnaccounta he dont like to talk about
> it(although he loves to talk about velour100)
> thanks
> sean
>

is trey no longer 'included' in the hnia family? why didnt he wanna
speak about it??  i had a similar episode with angie carozzo
(2nd female vocal on livonia, king of sweet, and some uncredited
hiiyh stuff supposedly). used to be warns girlfriend, then suddenly
not welcome to play in the hnia reindeer games. hmmmmm

Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 07:26:57 -0700
From: Michael Buck (mbuck@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: A Mass Reissue ?


On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Dez wrote:

> I cannot confirm or deny this. But I certainly hope not because it really is t
e
> most dire record 4AD have ever released. Absolutely without any redeeming
> features at all. And being purely selfish and a mail order subscriber, it's no

> the sort of thing I'd want to be sent. Best forgotten, I think.

Mail order subscription service to 4AD?  I did not know such a thing existed.
I don't remember seeing details of this in the FAQ, but if they're there,
please accept apologices.  If you have any details about this service,
I'd love to hear them, either on-list, or in private e-mail, if this is
old news for the list at-large.

Michael Buck
mbuck@netcom.com


Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:38:04 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: It's a Thorne Day.


So here is the tale as I hear it from Jens, Pepe and e:

1. "Barton" wrote a pop ditty called "It's a Fine Day."
2. Tracy Thorne covered it on a Rough Trade comp. in the '80's.  (CD or vinyl/
cassette only?)
3. Opus III covered it as a dance/techno track.  (Do they indeed sample
Tracy's version? I don't hear it myself.)  Opus III released an a cappella
version on the 12" vinyl and Japanese CD.
4. Orbital sampled Opus III's a cappella version for "Halcyon" and
"Halcyon+On+On."  (Right alongside Yes's "Owner of a Lonely Heart.")
5. Tracy Thorne's version is re-released as a single. (On what label, since
Rough Trade gave in to rough times?)

I am very interested in this Tracy Thorne version, if it's out there.  I don't
remember it being mentioned on the EBTG discography or in any discussion on the
Orbital list.

--
David McCallum                                                mccallum@efn.org
                  http://www.efn.org/~mccallum/arkane.html
Would clocks tick through the time if not for the beat of your heart near mine?


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:22:42 -0400
From: Craig Gordon (cgordon1@MAGIC.HOFSTRA.EDU)
Subject: Dead Can Dance - NYC date


Hello all!
        I am new here, and was wondering if anyone had any info regarding
the NYC concert (I think its at NY City Center on the 17th)... Does anyone
have ticket info?
        Thanks,
        Craig
        CGordon1@magic.hofstra.edu

Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:34:04 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: It's a Thorne Day.


Actually the Yes sample on Orbital's 'Halcyon...' is from the acapella
version of 'Leave It' not 'Owner of a Lonely Heart'

a little hair splitting I know...


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 01:39:41 +0000
From: JONNY SOEPARMIN (avoh@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: Tortoise - Music for Workgroups-HELP


anyone know where i can pick up a copy of cd in the atlanta area!
thanx in advance:)


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:50:20 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA album release?


On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, the great cornholio wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, sean devine wrote:
>
> > does anyone have the latest on the HNIA album? I talked to Trey the other
> > day, and i did not ask him onnaccounta he dont like to talk about
> > it(although he loves to talk about velour100)
> > thanks
> > sean
> >
>
> is trey no longer 'included' in the hnia family? why didnt he wanna
> speak about it??  i had a similar episode with angie carozzo
> (2nd female vocal on livonia, king of sweet, and some uncredited
> hiiyh stuff supposedly). used to be warns girlfriend, then suddenly
> not welcome to play in the hnia reindeer games. hmmmmm
>
with all respect to trey,
        trey is not trained(although very good) as a drummer. he is a
guitarist by training. velour100 seems to be his main interest, since the
last time i saw the dirt eaters at rick's in A2 to today. I would venture
a guess that this is because it is HIS band(not to belittle the rest of
the members) just as much as HNIA is warren's. I think that trey wants to
be a front man, and it is hard to do so when you are back behind the riser.
sean

Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:39:12 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Dead Can Dance Screening


For all of those in the Philadelphia area.  WXPN will be having a FREE
screening of Toward The Within at;
The International House
3701 Chestnut Street

on Sunday July 7, 1996
at 3:00 PM

Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:37:44 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: the e-bow


> strings at a time , so I'm unsure as to whether it's possible to get
> the same effect with chords ..

you can only use it on one string at a time.

Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:36:38 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Dubstar. Saint Etnenne. Pet Shop Boys??


>
>3. Whatever happened to Opus III.

hey what do they sound like? just curious, i have heard the name
several times but never heard the band... thanks.

   -robert.


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:49:20 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Tour Dates


His Name Is Alive
     coming to a club near you

8/21    Boston      Middle East (upstairs)
8/22    Hoboken     Maxwells
8/23    NYC            Fez
8/24    Philly        Khyber Pass
8/25    DC             ??????
8/27    Atlanta      Smith's Olde Bar
8/29    Austin        Cactus Cafe
8/30   Houston       Urban Art Bar
8/31   Dallas          Poor Davids

9/3     Phoenix       Stinkweeds
9/4     San Diego    ?????
9/5     LA               Luna Park
9/6     LA               Luna Park
9/7     SF               Kilowatt
9/9     Portland     ??????
9/10   Seattle       Tractor Tavern
9/13   Minneapolis ????????
9/14   Chicago       Shuba's
9/20   Detoit          ????????

Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:32:34 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: the e-bow


You wrote:
>
>hey!
>
>can anyone tell me about the e-bow? i know it's a thing you use to
play the
>guitar with to make certain effects. but what does it look like? where
can i
>get one? and how much does it cost? sorry this isn't very thislisty,
but i
>heard that bands like lush and pale saints used the e-bow, so...

the guitarist in my band has one. they sustain notes by vibrating the
string with magnets. the sound they make is often confused with a
guitar synth. they are small and black (hand-held) and you sit it on
the string you want to vibrate. i've seen them anywhere from $60-$80.
and you should be able to get one at most music stores, if not in stock
at least by order. Well worth the money if you ask me. sound reference:
machine gun- slowdive, pretty good example, e-bow with a phaser, etc.
hope i have helpped.
                                -robert.


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:18:47 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Shallow/ Swallow


    I recently bought a cd by Shallow, it's kinda reminisint of Lush's
"Spooky". Shallow was recomended to me by someone on the list as was a
band called Swallow. Is there a diffrence in the two bands or was this
a typo? I haven't yet seen any cd's put out by swallow.

    -ANYWAY-

    Knowing that I enjoy the whole etheral/F-xey sound thing can anyone
recomend some bands to me. Please excuse my ignorance, but I only read
the messages about Lush, sorry!

    Any word on the new Lush single "500"?

                                            BRiAN

Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 14:39:21 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shallow/ Swallow


> band called Swallow. Is there a diffrence in the two bands or was this
> a typo? I haven't yet seen any cd's put out by swallow.

It's two different bands. Shallow is a US band, while Swallow
were from England. On 4AD Swallow had the album 'Blow' and
the limited remix album 'Blowback'. Blow should be easy to find, and
it was released in the US. After they were booted from 4AD,
they eventually released a one-off EP for Rough Trade.
Currently I don't know what they're up to, but several
people on this list seem to be in the know, and have posted
before on their whereabouts and current projects.



|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:04:21 CST
From: o-o-o (gruisinger@CCTR.UMKC.EDU)
Subject: RACHEL'S ax to grind


Greetings fellow Rachel's fans (and those who read ALL their mail regardless)

  I have both the HANDWRITING LP and MUSIC FOR E.S., and love them both.  But I
must say, I have a brand new favorite Rachel's piece, and it's on neither.  It
is their contribution to the LOUNGE AX DEFENSE & RELOCATION CD.  The track is
called "Those Pearls..." and features the following lineup:
Kevin Coultas - drum kit
Christian Frederickson - viola
Rachel Grimes - piano
Greg King - 8mm projector (essential for any recording, I know)
Eve Miller - cello
Jason Noble - bass, vibes
John Upchurch - clarinets
Bob Weston - bass

The track was recorded last year about this time, in Chicago.  I'm sure many of
you who don't live in the midwest have no idea why you should care about Lounge
Ax.  Well, the CD is loaded with great tracks, all previously unreleased, by:
The Jesus Lizard
Shellac
The Coctails
Guided By Voices
Archers of Loaf
Bad Livers
Yo La Tengo (rockin' YLT, not the mellower incarnation)
Mekons
Superchunk
Seam
Tortoise
and of course Rachels. Anyway, just image your favorite tiny-club-that-gets-all
-the-cool-acts-before-they're-cool closing down. Well, that's what Lounge Ax is
facing.  If you want the whole story, go to your librabry and search through
old Tribs for stuff by Greg Kot, or buy the CD and read a nice synopsis of the
whole sad story thus far.  The disc is as good or better than most "Indie
compilations" of this sort.  And all the proceeds etc., etc.

Well, if my inept attempt at an infomercial has convinved you to buy it, it is
on Touch & Go records, and can be mail ordered from just about anywhere if your
record store of choice doesn't carry T&G (if it doesn't, you should consider
choosing a new one, if possible).  I think CDNow even had it on sale.

It's a must,
--gary
ps-i've only been there once, and it's a closet--I hope they choose "relocate"


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:28:03 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson (CreigJ@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: HNIA album release?


>does anyone have the latest on the HNIA album?

"Stars on ESP" is out in the UK as of 6/24.
It will be released stateside on 7/9.
CJ

Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:38:00 PDT
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Mojave 3 = Sadcore?


Just heard a bit on NPR about a new movement called "sadcore" (ugh! damn
trendariffic genre labels), in which they played a Mojave 3 song and
commented on it. They didn't give the song title, but man is it
countryfried. Hard to believe they were once Slowdive.

          +  ---                           Thom S. Heileson
         + + -        _oR_
          +  -            phASER@wolfenet.com / heilts1@mpe11.ghc.org


Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:45:26 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mojave 3 = Sadcore?


At 4:38 PM 7/2/96, Heileson, Thomas wrote:
>Just heard a bit on NPR about a new movement called "sadcore" (ugh! damn
>trendariffic genre labels), in which they played a Mojave 3 song and
>commented on it. They didn't give the song title, but man is it
>countryfried. Hard to believe they were once Slowdive.
>
>          +  ---                           Thom S. Heileson
>         + + -        _oR_
>          +  -            phASER@wolfenet.com / heilts1@mpe11.ghc.org

The person who developed sadcore is Mark Eitzel/American Music Club. Mojave
3 ain't sadcore. It's wimp music.:) No, for real. I find it really hard to
believe Mojave 3 is considered sadcore. They really don't emote or tell
tales that make you want to cry in your 6th beer.  Bands like Red House
Painters, Tarnation, Wade and American Music Club are sadcore albums.
Especially American Music Club/Mark Eitzel. This band will make you cry and
cry and cry some more.  They hit you straight in the heart about
depression, lonliness and bitter breaks with your significant other.

Buy all of the AMC albums and check out all of Mark Eitzel stuff.  You have
been warned.

Fred Collins