Subject: Re: Kendra Smith not on 4AD anymore?
Subject: Re: KC Twins disaster
Subject: rachel's question
Subject: Re: 4AD-L Digest - 27 Jun 1996 to 28 Jun 1996
Subject: Re: Euro96!
Subject: DCD illness & cancellation
Subject: Re: rachel's question
Subject: Rough Trade and my disappearing bank balance
Subject: Re: DCD illness & cancellation
Subject: Re: DCD/Beatles
Subject: Re: KC Twins disaster
Subject: Dubstar. Saint Etnenne. Pet Shop Boys??
Subject: Re: the e-bow
Subject: 4AD band in LA
Subject: Re: rachel's question
Subject: Digest
Subject: Re: 1952 4AD
Subject: Re: DCD/Beatles
Subject: A sick Lisa Gerrard
Subject: Has anyone dealt with GrimaceSCU (David Jansen)
Subject: Re: Dubstar. Saint Etnenne. Pet Shop Boys??
Subject: so long(no4ad)
Subject: Re: Opus III
Subject: Re: DCD/Beatles - 4AD cover songs
Subject: Re: Spinning on the AXIS
Subject: Shallow Grave Soundtrack
Subject: Re: Opus III
Subject: Re: Aust fests
Subject: Re: Opus III
Subject: HNIA Dates ?
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave Soundtrack
Subject: Re: Krzysztof Kieslowski (sp?) -Reply
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:12:03 -0400
<< ...and while not a surefire method of telling who is signed to the
label, note how Smith's name was not included in the "for more info
on..." part of the "Shaving The Pavement" cassette inlay card. Air
Miami was missing from that list as well... >>
This is all rumour...however,
It began when Kendra, when working on her new ep (initially slated for a
summer '98 release) submitted her demo to Ivo. It was called something along
the lines of "Maggots two--this is all I have to write about in my Kaczynski
shack in the hills".
Apparently he (Ivo) felt that the title was a bit too long. Kendra being the
sensitive type she is, at least to criticism over her titles, was, to say the
least, a bit peeved. In fact, when she was working on 5 ways of
disapperaring, there was a working title of "I wish my pump organ was a moog,
but OOoops! silly me I have no el-ec-triss-ity!!" Of course it rhymed, but
the title was a bit wordy and was rejected only to be retitled later as
"Valley of the Morning Sun".
A bit ironic, but that depends on who you ask I suppose.
Anyway, creative differences abbounded once more in the 4AD realm, and Kendra
hiked (furiously) w/ pump organ on her back from the LA office to home. "The
gig is up" she fumed, waving her fists in the air (almost losing her balance
and her dignity). Ivo, beginning to retort with "you have to perform *live*
before you can actually give up the "gig", but realizing that it wasn't worth
the trouble and anal-retentive baggage that inhabited that statement, instead
bit his bottom lip and smugly replied "be careful."
Kendra's angst dissipated into disappointed and saddness soon thereafter with
the outcome of her relationship with 4AD, so she pondered her illustrious
return to the roster on her journey home.
Now, what I am going to reveal is between me, Kendra, my supplier, his agent,
his mistress & her family, my dog (who is from Belgium, so doesn't really
pose a threat), my twenty-five neighbors, the person in 2A's relatives'
moderately sized militia, and a goatherder with incredible hearing named Bob,
and of course the 418 of you. In other words, shhh.
Kendra has assumed a new identity. Yes, I'm serious. Remember she was
walking home and during this time she recalled a discussion she overheard in
the 4AD office concerning a new signee from Iceland called Gus Gus. She
ingeniously devised a plan that would continue her walk on past her home,
through the straits of leeberhauden, over the many lakes, bays, and rivers of
the Canadian Yukon, stopping ever so briefly at the Planet Hollywood in
Greenland for a drink, stealing two rafts (one for the pump organ -- duh!)
and paddling her way to Iceland with her bare hands. She searched for 30
minutes and (eureka) found the elusive Gus Gus on a streetcorner named
"Desire". She introduced herself as Kjendra ver smilth, the world famous
pump-organ extraordinare. Now Gus Gus had been auditioning as of late for a
reclusive pump organ ingenue, so this was a bit of a coincidence to them. I
would go into detail, but it's not necessary so, to make a long story short,
they took her in!!
IMO Ivo will never notice. The pump organ will blend with the Gus Gus
scenery so well, and her new name as well as her disguise (colored contacts
*and* a new t-shirt that reads "everyone says I have flavor") will safely
ensure her place on the 4AD roster for many years to come.
Just don't let her name the songs.
jason
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:50:06 +1000
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Brendon Macaraeg Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:25:00 +0100
Music For Egon Schiele is slightly more 'traditional,' in as much as
it's simple, pared-down, and almost all piano and strings based, whereas
Handwriting had one or two 'heavier' numbers with minimal drums and
noise.
That said, I have recently decided, after much repeated listening, that
it is also one of, if not the, most beautiful album I currently own, and
as I'm a unstinting champion of 'Modernism,' and all that generally
means in terms of difficulty and atonality, it's praise indeed.
It was written for a dance performance, and although all the tracks are
named such as 'self portrait' and 'portrait of egon and wally,' the only
connection with Schiele's art is through the sinuous, expressive lines
of both his drawing and their music.
It's a million miles from Throwing Muses and others of that ilk, but I
would defy anyone with an ounce of humanity in them not to like it.
David
>> i've just finished listening to rachel's 'handwriting' for the first time
>> in months on this lazy sunday (how's that for thickly incomprehensible
>> grammar) and i am simply wondering how 'music for egon schiele' compares to
>> this release. grazie. :)
>> .j.
>
>I don't know the answer to your question, but I am intrigued. What
>does
>'handwriting' sound like? And knowing who Egon Schile was, I'd love to
>know what music is for him...
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:44:49 +0200
On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, Automatic digest processor wrote:
> Neirika Spiritchaser
> Byla ???
> Rakim Toward the Within
> Song of the disposed Spiritchaser
> Yulanga Into the Labyrinth
> Snake and the moon Spiritchaser
> Sanvean Toward the Within (ne the Mirror Pool)
> Dolphins ???
Dolphin was probably the worst song i ever heard from DCD, and of course
Lisa was not singing ;)
> Encore 2
>
> Dreams made flesh
> - (Brendan playing the Dulcimer!) ???
Dreams made flesh is on the first TMC album, "It will end in tears"
this song is GREAT.
But there was only two encores ? the third encore in Paris was excellent,
with Lisa singing "a capella". I think this tour is not as good as the
previous one :( mainly because of Brendan's songs...
/\ E tae koe ki Aotearoa kaua e whawhai; e u koe ki uta,
/\ / \ kei mahi ki tai ki Tu, puhia he angina; e mau ki tai
/ \ \/\ ki Noho, he huhu, he pepe, he hanehane.
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:55:54 +0400
Forgive me friends... What's all that football talk doing in this list?
Cy
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:06:35 +-100
Dead Can Dance cancelled last night's concert at the Theatre Royal in =
London due to Lisa's continuing illness.This was the only concert =
scheduled in this country, sadly.
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:11:44 +0600
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:08:51 +0100
96 11:57:50 am
"Booth, Giles" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:19:49 +0400
On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, James Hebbern wrote:
> Dead Can Dance cancelled last night's concert at the Theatre Royal in
> London due to Lisa's continuing illness.This was the only concert
>scheduled in this country, sadly.
>
Well that's real bad news. I also read something about an Amsterdam
concert cancellation. I hope nothing happens to the Istanbul show
on the 4th... Believe me this is my single chance to see them...
ever.
Cy Celikyay
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 07:22:23 -0400
On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Rich Holtzman wrote:
>
> Their are no beatles samples on the DCD record. Brendan and Lisa wrote a
> song and while 4AD was preparing to release the song someone noticed that it
> sounded like an old Beatles song (it definitely does). To make a long story
> short, Brendan and Lisa were not even familiar with the Beatles song and did
> not copy it, however, as George Harrison has learned (the hard way) it does
> not matter if you meant it or not, if it has the same structure, get a
> copyright clearance. That is all that is
>
even though mr holtzman does speak with authority on
all matters 4ad, often the authorized version of
a story is inaccurate. i personally think it IMPOSSIBLE
that perry and gerrard just came up with that extended
passage in 'indus' that is a note for note borrowing
from a song on the most listened to beatles record
of all time. a song which uses sitar (subcontinental
native instrument played literally on and around the
banks of the indus river), written by a guy that hung
out in india with the maharishi (sp?) and ravi shankar
and which itself is probably borrowed from the
native culture(s) of india).
so. while of course it is _possible_ to come up with
a song on one's own which somebody unknown to you
has already written (see new order being sued by
john denver for a supposed copycatting of leavin
on a jet plane), brendan perry has heard the
sgt. pepper record before. i guarantee it.
its a conscious borrowing, being downplayed
by a record company who doesnt wanna pay
michael jackson royalties for the scam...
dan
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:01:24 +0200
I remember of another bad concert of Cocteau Twins, not for their fault,
sort of 10-12 years ago or more, in Nettuno, a small town on the sea near
Roma, Italy.
They were playing open air in summer on a soccer field, during a sort of
festival.
After two songs they had to stop. The problem was that the audio they
received was terrible, they could not hear what they play, even if for the
audience the audio was ok.
After some angry comments, anyway, most of the public realized the
situation, and turned their (pacific) anger elsewhere, but with no results,
and we had no CT concert.
All another story with lolla, just maybe someone could be interested.
And anyway, I heard so strange stories about that festival (hysterical
security, prices, mud and so on) that I wonder why is kept in so high
reputations by bands and public.
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:02:08 EDT
<[email protected]>
For more of this type of stuff, try the new Trembling Blue Stars CD
(Shinkansen 3). I think it had a producer who worked on a lot of the
Saint Etienne stuff.
Matt
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:51:18 -0400
> It just vibrates across the string(s) to produce a constant tone ...
> it just looks like a little chunk of plastic from what I've seen ..
> The band that I saw using it (an Australian band called "The Mandelbrot
> set" - very thislisty , but now sadly defunct) only used it on single
> strings at a time , so I'm unsure as to whether it's possible to get
> the same effect with chords ..
The E-Bow itself does not vibrate. The electromagnet inside the E-Bow
sets the guitar string vibrating. It works on only one string at a time.
There are ridges on the bottom of the E-Bow to fit over the strings
adjacent to the one that is being excited, thereby keeping the E-Bow
centered over the string. This renders those two strings unplayable.
Using the E-Bow on the outer strings is tricky because you're without
one of the guide strings, but it can be done.
There was a device called the Gizmotron that provided an E-Bow-like
effect with the effect available on all strings simultaneously, but
it had its own problems and the company went belly up. It was invented
by Godley and Creme from 10CC and is featured on their _Consequences_
album.
The E-Bow is widely distributed and should be available through your
local music store.
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:11:34 -0400
For those in the Los Angeles area. a new 4AD signing will be playing at the
Hootenany on July 7th down in Irvine. I am sure you will be very surpised to
hear what the Palaidns sound like. One thing is for sure, they are extremely
talented and I think they are great.
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:07:07 -0400
music for egon schile is beautiful
it is the score for a dance performance on schiles life
i did not realize that she had another one
handwriting it is called?
what does this one sound like?
do tell.....
shar
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:30:38 +0100
Is a digest form of this mailing list available? If so, how can I subscribe?
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:14:28 -0700
>> 1952 4AD Roadster, good shape/good condition. 3500 miles on rebuilt
>>engine. Arizona car, no rust, complete car with 2 tops.
>> Only needs a little TLC. Asking $5400 obo. Call richard, 602-990-2226
>>days, 602-252-6867 eves.
>>
>> 1952 SINGER 4AD LHD, complete, easy restoration, trafficators, glass
>>side curtains, some surface rust ( no rust out ).
>> Hubcaps for 4ADs, N.O.S. excellent chrome, L7.50 ea. or L30.00 for 4,
>>p&p L13.50 for 4.
>> Fan belts for 4A & 4ADs, new stock L4.00 ea. p&p L2.50
Now THERE'S a 4AD collector's item...
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:59:24 -0400
Though I am sure Brendan has heard the original version, I would not be sure
that Lisa has. Though I agree that it would be hard to believe that she has
not heard it once, this is her contention. As far as royalties are concerned
George Harrison should be the most understanding people in the world since he
got his pants sued off. If we think back to that landmark decision George
stated that though he does not remember hearing the song prior to, and more
specifically does not rember hearing the music/structure when he wrote My
Sweet Lord. It gets to be real sticky when songs get close like this.
Artists themselves should be more understanding and more flexible.
that's all for now.
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:47:20 -0700
failte,
i be here in downtown tree town(ann arbor michigan). and i have
tix to see dcd in july. the recent gnews about lisa getting ill is
begining to terrify me. I have a plan of action though: perhaps we should
all send her antibiotics(different kinds of course, we don't want the
little bug getting wise you know). :)
sean
get better and fast.
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:15:32 -0400
I've sent some vids to [email protected] (David JAnsen) about two
months ago (for pal-ntsc conversion) and haven't heard a word
since. His email account is no longer open. Does anyone know
how to contact him or has anyone dealt with him in the past.
Admittedly I'm a bit suspicious mostly because I've been
screwed on the net once before ($50 loss). From correspondence
he didn't seem the type but then how can you tell... It's
probably just taking longer than expected but I would like to
contact him to find out the progress.
If you have any info please contact me directly at the below
email account (not to the list)..
thanks in advance
ted
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:45:12 -0500
>I hadn't really thought of putting the three bands in one message, but
>you hae a point. The last time I really put a song on repeat like this
>was Electronic's "Disappointed". Before that, Opus III's brilliant
>rendition of "It's a Fine Day".
Absolutely true...
>
>SPEAKING OF WHICH:
>
>1. How is the new Electronic stuff?
I=B4m still waiting to hear it...
>2. When is the album coming out?
since it=B4s coming out july 7th in the States
>3. Whatever happened to Opus III.
released a 2nd album, Guru Mother, then faded to oblivion...
>4. --> insert ontopic question about washed up 4ad artist here <--
How are the new Lush, '500' singles?
Pepe
enjoying the movie 'The Commitments'...
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:20:28 -0400
Looks like i will have to get off the list can't keep up with the CT/DCD volume
;)
thanks to all for music suggestions. about 200+ albums to keep an eye out
for...
off to find that shaving the pavement demo, lush tour dates, and a date with
Kim Deal....
bill b
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:06:54 -0700
>Opus III's brilliant rendition of "It's a Fine Day".
I don't know how obscure this factoid is, but the vocal samples on that
are by Tracy Thorne, from a solo track she did on a mid-80s Rough Trade
compilation. A friend of mine has it, apparently it's pretty rare.
And did Orbital sample this too on "Halcyon" or is it just strangely
similar?
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:26:49 -0400
For some of us on the list who fancy ourselves musicians you can
confirm this, but when sitting down and hacking out chords and re-
arranging nice accompanying sounds/chords/licks what have you, I
often find that I am playing someone elses music by accident! When
practicing, I constantly figure out other peoples songs without even
trying...I don't know how much your *sub-conscious* plays a part in
it...perhaps its some kind of principle of shared knowledge (Carl
Jung) or maybe it is just musical baggage (the same goes for making
visual art)...Sometimes we can hear something just once and it becomes
ingrained in our sub-conscious and then we unknowingly imitate
it...anyone else agree?
> Though I am sure Brendan has heard the original version, I would not be sure
> that Lisa has. remember hearing
> and more specifically does not rember hearing the music/structure
when he wrote My Sweet Lord.
*Exactly*, Harrison wasn't consciously trying to rip off that 60's
group (forgot name)...
And about an earlier thread concerning 4AD covers, anyone
interested in doing a 4AD-List 4AD inspired/homage compilation?
(y'know, a tribute album a la list members -or- music inspired by 4AD)
* mml *
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:31:46 +0200
>I know for a fact that after AXIS 3, the "Dark Entries" 7" was
>reissued in February 1980 with the blue 4AD label design and a
>Beggars Banquet number, BEG 37. The single was reissued again in
>the same month with BOTH Beggars Banquet label design AND the BEG 37
>number. All I was aware of for AD 3 was the above mentioned flexi.
The AXIS 3 edition surely did appear, as I have a copy. According to Peter
Murphy in some old interview in 'Vinyl' magazine (1981), the AXIS edition
was a mistake. The single should have appeared on Beggars Banquet.
>And another Axis item, Shox (AXIS 4) also received an 4AD release
>after the Axis version was sold out. It reappeared as AD 4...
Are you sure? never seen one...
Frank
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:11:32 -0500
Just got the Trainspotting soundtrack and is great (especially at $14!). I
remember that some of the artists featured in the Shallow Grave movie are
in also in trainspotting. Can someone give the track listing of the Shallow
Grave soundtrack, company issuing the disc and a review?
Gracias
Pepe
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:15:49 -0500
>And did Orbital sample this too on "Halcyon" or is it just strangely
>similar?
No Jens, you=B4re not wrong at all: Halcyon on +on+on (one of the 3 best=
songs
from that lp) features a sampling from 'It=B4s a fine day'. The 'ohh, ahh's
come directly from that song.
Also, the booklet credits the sample.
Pepe
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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:00:00 EST
I'd agree with Derby that the Big Day Out is probably still the best,
but it has grown in the last few years (the first 10 000, last year
30 000+) and with more "mainstream" appeal there has definately been
an ever increasing "close-minded" element. I wouldn't say there was
any animosity though. Generally, the overseas bands have been very
ordinary over the past couple of years.
Probably our best single show was SUMMERSAULT in Sydney last New
Years Eve featuring The Amps, Pavement, Foo Fighters, Beck,
Sonic Youth and the Beastie Boys.
Cameron
Cameron Webb
[email protected]
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:01:36 -0700
On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:
> >Opus III's brilliant rendition of "It's a Fine Day".
>
> I don't know how obscure this factoid is, but the vocal samples on that
> are by Tracy Thorne,
...
> And did Orbital sample this too on "Halcyon" or is it just strangely
> similar?
Actually it is a cover of her song, but I'm fairly certain it's the same
girl on this as sings on the rest of Mind Fruit. Halcyon credits only the
Opus III performance for the sample used, though writer credit is given
to the same person (Barton) that Opus III credited.
> from a solo track she did on a mid-80s Rough Trade
> compilation.
!! - I had no iea it was a compilation track or on Rough Trade. I thought
it was just some awful little pop song they overhauled.
> A friend of mine has it, apparently it's pretty rare.
I was told it was reissued on its own single following the release of the
Opus III version, but I never managed to dig up a copy.
and Pepe: do you mean they no longer exist as a band or are you just
being pissy about their lack of recent output? (I hope the latter.)
e
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:17:45 -0500
Could somebody please post any dates and venues that HNIA may be
playing. Thanks.