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Subject: Re: Pop Quiz
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 06:50:32 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: the e-bow
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 06:50:30 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: hnia
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:29:16 -0400
From: The Boy In Zinc (Boyinzinc@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Lynn Canfield
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 00:46:00 CDT
From: Igor V Boronenkov (BORODA@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: COCTEAUS KC DISASTER
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 00:40:05 -0500
From: Neil Solomon (neilsol@SKY.NET)
Subject: Re: COCTEAUS KC DISASTER
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:53:20 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: A few reviews
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:11:08 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (Giles.Booth@BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: hnia live in london
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:57:50 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (Giles.Booth@BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: DCD on sale in Atlanta
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:27:25 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: hnia live in london
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:37:05 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: hnia live in london
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 15:53:30 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (Giles.Booth@BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: is that tanya?
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 19:19:52 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: Ivo' s Remixes outside 4ad?
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 19:07:40 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: is that tanya?
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:28:43 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: KC Twins disaster
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 15:24:58 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Kendra Smith's "Guild..." found
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 19:43:39 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: my favorite song of 1996...
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 19:47:24 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)

Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 06:50:32 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: Pop Quiz


At 15:48 28/06/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Name the Artists:

[...]
>7. Fish Seven
8-eyed spy
9 inch nails
10 cc

?

13th floor elevator

16 drummers drumming
exterminateur 17 (well, this was a friend of mine... but he really performed...)


>Ten
>Sixteen Days

oh well, and what about current 93, front 242 and 10.000 maniacs, then... :-)

>
>time on my hands,
>CreigJ@aol.com
>who thought Spiritchaser sounded a lot like Colourbox until he realized he
>had left Colourbox in the CD player...whoops.
>
>

Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 06:50:30 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: the e-bow


At 20:46 28/06/96 -0400, you wrote:
>hey!

>can anyone tell me about the e-bow? i know it's a thing you use to play the

the e-bow is fundamentally a conductor coil in which an alternate current
pass through so to create an oscillating electromagnetic field (sorry for
the painful english).

this electromagnetic field, vibrating more or less at audio frequencies,
interact both with the strings of a guitar or a bass and the pick ups coils
of the guitar or bass (the strings vibrates and the pick ups "pick up" the
magnetic field), and could generate also several harmonics.

this to obtain a resonant flat reverbed sound that could remember the one of
a heavily echoed didgeridoo.

you could try to obtain the same effect with an electric razor vibrating at
the right frequencies.

>heard that bands like lush and pale saints used the e-bow, so...

really lush use ebow?  could you tell me where?


Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:29:16 -0400
From: The Boy In Zinc (Boyinzinc@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: hnia


>>When I played the His Name Is Alive 'Stars On ESP' CD this week on
headphones it occured to me that some of the stereo-effects are pretty
extreme. Today I got the LP version, I played it on headphones and it seems
as if the mix is completely mono!!
Am I wrong, or...??<<

*sigh*  if you'd paid attention when i posted the press releases i got over a
MONTH ago (back when i was posting from wisc.edu), you would have noticed
that they said that the lp (released only in england) would contain a mono
remix of the album :)  actually, i don't expect you to remember that far back
-- i'm just feeling snobby...

BiZ

"what were the skies like when you were young?"

Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 00:46:00 CDT
From: Igor V Boronenkov (BORODA@MACC.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lynn Canfield


Occasionally met Henry Frayne at Lush show in Chicago, and he confirmed that
MX7 is OK, new album is coming up in the fall, and they'll be touring, at least
around Midwest.
Ob Lanterna, think it was a really nice effort along the lines of Scenic.
 I like it even more, given a variety of styles.
Steve Jones (the founder of Area) revived the band/project with quite a nice
track on Heavenly Voices III. Does anybody know if it was a one-off shot?

Boroda

Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 00:40:05 -0500
From: Neil Solomon (neilsol@SKY.NET)
Subject: COCTEAUS KC DISASTER


Reporting from Kansas City the site of yesterdays disasterous Lolopalooza I
bring this report with deep regret and consternation. The Cocteau Twins
performed to a crowd of hate mongering Mettallica fans and were jeered off
the stage with mudballs and verbal abuse.

Let me first aploligize to the Twins for this heineous reception, the music
was great guys. Beautiful Job. I love you music and to have this be my
first live preformance was to be a rare treat for me not a reenactment of
the ritual abuse of Artists so commonly practiced in Kansas City's banal
and lifeless cutural vvoid. Thank you for coming and thank you for leaving
when you did. Take care of youselves and keep working your musical magic
because there are some of us here that are listening.

The set started out great. Pure Cocteau all the way, heavenly. I recognized
and loved all the songs yet am poor with the names.

The Crowd was hostile from the beginning of the show, waving "the Finger"
and shouting "fuck you you suck get off the stage". Then the mud throwing
ensued. At first there were only a few losers engaging in this practice and
I was able to accost one and make him stop. He later apologized to me with
a smirk on his face, "hey sorry about the show, man". The abuse of the
Twins went on untill Liz was hit in the face with a mud soaked lemon. She
curtly responded, "Thank you, Good Night." The show was over afeter about a
half hour of wonderful swirling music that was very openly emotional and
fresh.

I tried to talk to someone, anyone, backstage to let the Cocteaus know the
sincere and deep regret that I felt about the crowd's behavior but to no
avail. I talked to one "guard" and then to his "supervisor" and finally
resorted to discussing my need to apologize to a police officer who was
backstage. The police officer informed me that the Twins were in their
trailer and had "requested police sequesterment" and that I should try to
get a message to them later. This is that message.

The crowd was not admonished for their actions but the Bands requested that
the beer be cut off, which it was. There was no general remorse shown. I
sat in the chill out tent till it was closed by the show "authorities". The
Chill Tent sucked anyway. No one save one carnival worker and a couple of
african american hipsters with dreds was willing to share in any way. Not
drugs. Not conversation. They were all getting ready for Metallica.

Mettalica was, in my opinion, a group of lame lifeless losers of moderate
musical talent who were content with sucking the blood out of the rotting
corpse of their own future. Wake up, guys. Anger is valuable as Liz showed
when she confronted you, her perpetrators. But anger is not and end in
itself and your skill at being angry alone is not worth attention. Grow up
and make some music.

The next Cocteaus show I see will be in a safer place. If you do come back
and perform again, perform your next show in a more receptive venue, I'll
come to hear you. But, after living here for 32 years I am finally
considering moving. Good luck guys, blessed be you.

And note to 4ADers everywhere. Keep on listening. Be bold individuals. Fuck
the noise.

Signing off from the "Wholsome American Grain Belt,"

Neil Solomon,
Lurker, Wanderer.


Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:53:20 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: COCTEAUS KC DISASTER


On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, the mystery parade wrote:

> This report was absolutely disgusting to read. And I heard the Cocteaux
> were "hand picked" by Metallica...any truth to that?

Oh dear, then how will Neil continue to hold them and their "anger"
responsible for the treatment of the Twins in KC? Frankly, I wouldn't be
a bit surprised. Metallica have always been a classy band, and certainly
not the sort who deserve to be blamed for any part of what happened--
except to the extent that, had they refused to appear onstage after this,
maybe such rudeness would be less likely in the future. It sounds to me
like Neil can only be so disgusted with his fellow KCites before he needs
to take some of it out on Metallica. They don't deserve it, and I bet
most of their fans don't deserve it either. Booing a band offstage is
reprehensible and throwing things at performers is barbaric, but this
nonsense about Metallica "perpetrating" these actions is sick, evasive,
and insulting.

As for the topic of lifeless losers and rotting corpses, Milk and Kisses
isn't exactly a shining example of freshness and youthful vibrance, and
Robin Guthrie circa 1996 couldn't write his way out of James Hetfield's
shoes without working up a sweat. Try listening to the bands you're
talking about before you go setting them on opposite sides of an
imaginary melodrama so you can apologize to one on the other's behalf.
There are assholes in every crowd; I guess Kansans are just in the habit
of slinging mud at people who don't deserve it, eh? Literally or
otherwise.

I'd like to apologize to Metallica on behalf of Neil, for his hate
mongering apology to the Cocteau Twins.


 e


Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:11:08 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (Giles.Booth@BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: A few reviews


Dez noted that the Official Colourbox World Cup Theme is being used in
BBC radio Tour de France trailers - it was (is?) also used as a sig tune
for one of the science programmes on the BBC World Service. But you
probably all knew that already...



Sad to hear new Beck LP not too good - I've just bought it and was about
to stick it on the CD player in the office! And Spring Heel Jack were
next on my shopping list, too...

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-   giles.booth@bbc.co.uk - BBC World Service

-   Room 503CB, Bush House, Strand, London WC2 4PH

-   'she said: there's something in the woodshed

-   he said: there's nothing in the woodshed

-   except maybe some wood.'

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:57:50 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (Giles.Booth@BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: hnia live in london


I just bunked off school for an hour to see His Name Is Alive play live
(and free!) in the Rough Trade shop in Covent Garden, Central London. I
was impressed, they were far better & more interesting live than I
thought they might be. They played about half a dozen songs, and I was
particularly taken with their good-humoured rendition of 'Universal
Frequencies' (which I sang all the way back down Drury Lane) and the -
uh, 'Theme from ESP' (?)...  so if you get the chance to see them live,
do.

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-   giles.booth@bbc.co.uk - BBC World Service

-   Room 503CB, Bush House, Strand, London WC2 4PH

-   'she said: there's something in the woodshed

-   he said: there's nothing in the woodshed

-   except maybe some wood.'

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:27:25 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: DCD on sale in Atlanta


Tickets for Dead Can Dance on August 17th (saturday) at Symphony Hall in
Atlanta went on sale this morning.  They are about $21.50 from
TicketMaster.  I am so glad I got decent seats!

-greg

Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:37:05 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: hnia live in london


How did they ever fit a live performance into that hole in the wall they
use for a rough trade store in covent garden ?!


Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 15:53:30 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" (Giles.Booth@BBC.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: hnia live in london


well I've never seen anyone play in the Rough Trade shop before, and
you're right it is a hole in the wall (in fact that's a polite way of
describing it) but it was actually a rather nice venue for an intimate
little gig. Not too many people - just as well given the size and lack of
air conditioning. I wonder if we can get HNIA to play in other small

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-   giles.booth@bbc.co.uk - BBC World Service

-   Room 503CB, Bush House, Strand, London WC2 4PH

-   'she said: there's something in the woodshed

-   he said: there's nothing in the woodshed

-   except maybe some wood.'

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 19:19:52 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: is that tanya?


I have recently seen a video for the breeders' cannonball.
now, alongside the deal sisters there was a tall woman with short brown hair
that I assumed had to be tanya donnely. it was strange cuz they way she
looked just didn't fit they voice I remembered from belly. is this the same
woman or am I making a total mess from all those band skipping artists?


-naor-
getting old and senile as time progresses. does that have anything to do
with entropy? :-)

Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 19:07:40 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: Ivo' s Remixes outside 4ad?


cedric caspesyan wrote:
>"Madre Deus live ! First North American tour !
> Do not miss this one !"

>"And don't miss Combustible Edison tour either !"

Madre Deus. aren't they the ones who played in that wim wenders movie-
'lisbon story'? I remember they sounded good but it sounded like the sort
of music that you'd expect to hear sitting in a classy hotel lounge.

Combustible Edison? that's the kind of music you'd hear if you went in the
elevator of that same hotel. or am I thinking of another band?


Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:28:43 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: is that tanya?

              96 07:19:52 pm

> I have recently seen a video for the breeders' cannonball.
> now, alongside the deal sisters there was a tall woman with short brown hair
> that I assumed had to be tanya donnely. it was strange cuz they way she
> looked just didn't fit they voice I remembered from belly. is this the same
> woman or am I making a total mess from all those band skipping artists?
>
> -naor-
> getting old and senile as time progresses. does that have anything to do
> with entropy? :-)

I haven't seen the Cannonball video recently, but I imagine the woman you
are referring to is Josephine Wiggs.  Tanya was only in the band for the
Pod lp and the Safari ep (which is really good), but had left to form
Belly by the time the Last Splash lp was recorded.  Josephine has been in
the Breeders all along.

-greg
gt7003b@prism.gatech.edu


Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 15:24:58 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: KC Twins disaster



I think Neil's message about what happened to the Twins
only drives home a few points (and, yes, I was extremely
disappointed to read it):

1. Lollapalloza (or however the hell you spell it)  is a lame marketing ploy.
Sure, you get to see a bunch bands
in one day. But how many of the people there are there to see the band
_your're_ there to see? It's also a way for record companies to get their
"artists" maximum exposure at minimal cost. What was once, _maybe_,
an "alternative" festival is now a stooge of the record industry.
This year it may as well be called "Metallaloza" or something.

Record exec. No. 1: "Well, we got this here Lollapashcmoozer-thang coming
up this summer! *chomps on cigar* Who should we put on the bill?"

Record exec. No. 2: "Well, my daughter really likes Soundgarden! *straightens
tie* We should put a bunch of heavy metal bands on the bill! The kids
eat that shit up!"

Okay, extreme example. But I bet a lot of decisions at the big record companies
are still made like this. Look at the mediocrity we get....

I think the San Francisco  concert for Tibet would have been a better
venue for the Twins to do a show like this (more open-minded people perhaps?)
....but in general, I don't like festival type concerts and prefer the murky
darkness of a bar or club.

Maybe the Europeans on the list can comment on festivals there...I've never
been to one there.
Are people generally more open minded? Are they just there to have a good
time with friends or throw muddy lemons at the bands they don't like?

2. American music fans are pretty narrow-minded. Oh sure, some say "I like
everything!" Yeah,
everything that's Top 40 or AOR. Put anything on the stereo at a party
that's slightly left of center, and you get these looks that say "what the
hell is this?" That's why I had to listen to fucking Def Leppard at college
parties.
Yes, we Americans are rabid about what we like (cars, books, movies, you
name it...) but we really are culturally deprived and generally closeminded
about other artforms.  I really am ashamed to be an American sometimes when
I realize how we take from other cultures and bastardize them into something
"safe" and "acceptable."
We even canabalize those original aspects of our  own culture (jazz and the
blues)  and use it to sell things and
promote shit not even associated with those music genres.


 I realize I'm dribbling on here and so I'll end my diatribe. I rarely do
this....I'm starting to sound like e! ;-)

-B

non-4AD content: I saw  COME (they're on Matador Records) at CBGBs last
night. And they were right on the money. Anyone who enjoys Blues-based LOUD
guitar rock with a crunchy stop-start rhythm section
would be remiss if they passed them up while on tour. This is _intense_
music in the truest sense of the word. Lyrical content? The Strum and Drang
of everyday life. But you don't really need to know what the lyrics are
about when you listen to this stuff....
=====================================================
                                    Brendon Macaraeg
               http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~brendonm
    Finger macaragb@acf2.nyu.edu for my PGP Public Key


Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 19:43:39 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Kendra Smith's "Guild..." found


Thought I'd let all my fellow Kendra fans know that it appears "The Guild of
Temporal Adventures" has been re(?)- released in a 10" vinyl format.  I'm not
sure of a tape or CD format, as the record shop people didn't even know about
the 10" they had.

$9.99 got me this hard to find Kendra jewel...  6 tracks in all.  listing as

"Stars are in your eyes"
"Earth same breath"
"Waiting in the rain"

"She brings the rain"
"Iridescence 31"
"Wheel of the Law"

out on Fiasco records (P.O. Box 34416  Los Angeles, CA 90034) --- no evident
catalogue number though...looks as if the store used the address for a # with
a minor mix-up...they used 3441690037...hopefully this will help someone when
ordering.

Or you can just call the record store I bought mine at (they had 2 left)....

contact Desirable Discs II  13939 Michigan Ave. Dearborn, MI 48126  (313)
581-1767

simplistic artwork, thoughtful wrap-up job though.

~blu~


Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 19:47:24 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: my favorite song of 1996...


Stars. Dubstar rock. Man, this is a goddam great song. I fell in love
with the beatless version on that Mmmm... disc that came with the new
issue of Q, bought the single, and have barely given it a rest since.
The remixes are horrible and I'm even listening to them. How is the
album? I just ordered it and now I get to wait two weeks before I get
the damned thing. Is it more of this Saint Etienne sounding stuff or does
this nifty guitar work get better representation?

Anyway, thank you to whoever it was on this list that mentioned this band
almost a year ago so that I kept my eye out for the name. I really love
this song.

Speaking of that sampler disc, which basically sucks, that new
Strangelove song is pretty nice as well and I wouldn't mind seeing a
review of their album (either of their albums, actually) posted here (or
forwarded to me, whatever).

When the heck is that Mercy ep coming out?? What's on it?

 e


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