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Subject: Rema Rema sell furniture!
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 02:22:29 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 4AD wallpaper
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 01:44:55 -0500
From: Lebron ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Main,shiFt
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:57:57 +0100
From: Andrew Norman ([email protected])
Subject: Re: dcd spiritchaser cover image
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:29:32 +0200
From: lbo ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 4AD wallpaper
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:43:08 -0700
From: "A. Dean" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: dcd spiritchaser cover image
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 06:14:09 -0700
From: Matt Jukins ([email protected])
Subject: Re: HNIA 'Stars On ESP' LP mono??
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:06:10 -0400
From: stretch out and wait ([email protected])
Subject: DCD in Amsterdam: CANCELED!
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 13:56:49 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee ([email protected])
Subject: Re: a pic. = 1000 words
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:55:31 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" ([email protected])
Subject: odd places for 4AD
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:41:32 -0400
From: Scott David Anderson ([email protected])
Subject: Re: RAPOON
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:55:42 -0400
From: Joseph Burns ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Main,shiFt
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:47:20 -0500
From: a bear of very little brain ([email protected])
Subject: Individual Fruit Pie
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:16:18 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance Help
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:42:39 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman ([email protected])
Subject: DCD/Beatles
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:46:58 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:46:57 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurcha[email protected])
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser (*cz*skle and *e*bert)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:46:50 +1000
From: Arthur Chan ([email protected])
Subject: Re: a pic. = 1000 (radio) words
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:23:26 +0100
From: "Whittaker David (Exchange)" ([email protected])
Subject: "Qual"-ifying Ivo's remixes
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:36:46 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel ([email protected])
Subject: Re: HNIA 'Stars On ESP' LP mono??
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:46:41 +1000
From: Arthur Chan ([email protected])
Subject: music stores in japan
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 02:02:44 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa ([email protected])
Subject: Elysium/Eight Page Story
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:54:56 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records ([email protected])
Subject: Pop Quiz
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:48:26 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Comsat Angels
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:14:43 EDT
From: Dez ([email protected])
Subject: A few reviews
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:14:40 EDT
From: Dez ([email protected])
Subject: Comsat Angels
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:13:14 -0400
From: TIM CONLON ([email protected])
Subject: COCTEAUS KC DISASTER
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:07:54 -0500
From: Neil Solomon ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Comsat Angels
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:38:56 EDT
From: Dez ([email protected])
Subject: New Red House Painters Album
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:21:48 -0400
From: K- ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance set list
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:17:55 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD in Amsterdam: CANCELED!
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:57:23 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee ([email protected])
Subject: Ivo' s Remixes outside 4ad?
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:39:43 -0500
From: Cedric Caspesyan ([email protected])
Subject: Dead Can Dance set list
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:48:50 -0700
From: randall g ([email protected])
Subject: the e-bow
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 20:46:34 -0400
From: Lush Muse ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance set list
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:17:26 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: lynn canfield/the moon seven times...
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:11:08 -0700
From: rainboy ([email protected])
Subject: dead can dance and unreleased songs (was dcd set list)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:23:38 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: COCTEAUS KC DISASTER
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:48:31 -0700
From: the mystery parade ([email protected])
Subject: Elijah's Mantle label comp w/Lisa Gerrard
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 22:41:11 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: help!
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 20:45:13 -0600
From: FlowerSky ([email protected])
Subject: Neighbours.....
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:36:53 +1000
From: Arthur Chan ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 4AD wallpaper
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:36:49 +1000
From: Arthur Chan ([email protected])

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 02:22:29 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel ([email protected])
Subject: Rema Rema sell furniture!

There is a furniture store in Toronto called Rema Rema
Furniture Mfg, Limited, believe it or not!  Visit them at
937 Queen Street West or call (416) 364-0984 to buy an actual
sofa Rema Rema sat on in the studio while recording "Wheel In
The Roses".  The Rema Rema love seat is a good buy as well...

ulangilah wrote:

> What's the connection between TWP and Rema Rema anyway?

Well, one fifth of Rema Rema later evolved into The Wolfgang Press,
namely Mark Cox and Michael Allen.  Allen also played in another
early 4AD band Mass - they released a single (You And I) and an
album (Labour Of Love) in 1980 and '81 respectively.

Rema Rema we're originally signed to the Virgin offshoot label
Charisma but Ivo baught the rights from them so 4AD could release
their "Wheel In The Roses" EP (BAD 5, the first "official" 4AD
release).  So, there's the connection!

Both the Rema Rema and Mass records are well worth picking up.
Never released on CD, both bands output for 4AD has never really
been exposed to a big audience aside from Rema Rema's "Fond
Affections", which was covered by This Mortal Coil and features
original Rema-er Mark Cox along with CINdYTALK vocalist Gordon
Sharp and Colourbox-er Martyn Young playing guitars and keyboards.

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 01:44:55 -0500
From: Lebron ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 4AD wallpaper

>     The question is, has anybody else sighted 4AD stuff lying around in
>     the surroundings of a movie or TV show?

There=B4s a poster from Lush, the one that says split, in the office of the
manager of Empire Records... it=B4s  shown for 3 seconds when he comes out=
 of
it to yell at one of the attendants.

Pepe
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'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:57:57 +0100
From: Andrew Norman ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Main,shiFt

              Nguyen Van" at Jun 27, 96 09:36:38 pm

 John Nguyen Van  wrote on Thu, 27 Jun 1996
 (Subject: Main,shiFt)
 > Are Main's Hz singles worth getting? How do they sound, compared to
 > Motion Pool or Firmament II?

More abstract even than Firmament II, for the most part.  Sometimes
there's almost a song there, but the "singles" are mostly rustling,
scraping, droning, rattling etc.  Which doesn't mean that they are bad,
far from it, but they are very much an acquired taste.  There's very
little of the more structured "Motion Pool" type of sound.  Robert's
"Indicate" project with Jim O'Rourke takes the abstraction to a further
extreme, to the point where (for me at least) it is uninteresting and
unlistenable (as is Main's contribution to the "Folds and Rhizomes"
compilation, which is little more than a collection of crackling sounds
and silence).  The Orr collaboration with Wire's Gilbert and Paul
Kendall sounds more like "Motion Pool" (judging by the one track I have
heard).

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 28/06/96
[email protected], http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
The Fall


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:29:32 +0200
From: lbo ([email protected])
Subject: Re: dcd spiritchaser cover image

At 00:30 27/06/96 +0200, you wrote:

>>could some good soul scan the cover of Spiritchaser and file-attach it to me?
>
>Visit the DCD page on the site:
>
>
>It's the same image...

I went there but didn't see anything like a cover... I only see a blue page
with a red "Dead Can Dance" and three link-pics...

anyway the 4ad pages are
s........l........o.................w.....................

maybe there was something else there that I had not the patience to wait for?


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:43:08 -0700
From: "A. Dean" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 4AD wallpaper

> 4AD wallpaper
>
> Enrique Jimenez ([email protected])
> Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:05:49 -0800
>
> The question is, has anybody else sighted 4AD stuff lying around in
> the surroundings of a movie or TV show?

yep, and this one's quite surreal.

there was an 'in ribbons' poster on the wall of the student radio station in
an episode of neighbours a year or so back (the episode where the students
were interviewing mrs. mangle when she was standing in the local elections).

(do you get neighbours in the states? bad, cheap, popular soap opera from
australia, the program that launched kylie and jason donovan and craig 'bugs'
maclachlan on an unsuspecting world), in short, the last place you'd expect a
pale saints poster to be.
--
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touch fuzzy get dizzy...


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 06:14:09 -0700
From: Matt Jukins ([email protected])
Subject: Re: dcd spiritchaser cover image

> >>could some good soul scan the cover of Spiritchaser and file-attach it to me

You can see the album cover at:

        http://www.newbury.com/

Choose 'New!' from the imagemap, and then choose 'Major Label
Releases'.  Then click on 'Dead Can Dance'

-Matt


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:06:10 -0400
From: stretch out and wait ([email protected])
Subject: Re: HNIA 'Stars On ESP' LP mono??

        the lp is indeed mono, and is being called a 'remix'
        (further complicating the meaning of that already
        confused word).

        i imagine the mono business is one further attempt
        at replicating a pet sounds/brian wilson type
        sound.  i bet the record sounds phat on a tube system...

        so like, where didja get the lp? none of the fuckers
        who run record stores in bland arbor carry anything
        as kool as a mono hnia import lp....

        dan

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 13:56:49 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee ([email protected])
Subject: DCD in Amsterdam: CANCELED!

The Dead Can Dance concert on June 27 (yesterday) was canceled because Lisa
Gerrard wasn't feeling well/ill/sick or whatever... :-(

It's not sure yet if they will play their second concert (tonight)...

I hope they do because I've got tickets for both concerts.




Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, June 28, 1996
... [email protected]

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:55:31 GMT
From: "Booth, Giles" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: a pic. = 1000 words

Another good way of keeping up with the best in new music - aside from
reading reviews by those you trust - is to listen to the radio...



naor, I sympathise both with your 20 second track-skipping friend and
with your frustration that he's missing out on some good stuff. I blame
the technology.

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-   he said: there's nothing in the woodshed

-   except maybe some wood.'

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:41:32 -0400
From: Scott David Anderson ([email protected])
Subject: odd places for 4AD

last night i rented the movie "the crossing guard" with jack nicholson and
there was a dead can dance song played during a strip club scene.  it was
during a slow strip dance and the tune was "the ubiquious mr. love
grove(spelled groove in the credits).  it was odd, yet worked quite well.
the movie itself was pretty good.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:55:42 -0400
From: Joseph Burns ([email protected])
Subject: Re: RAPOON

I had some Rapoon stuff on my hands a little while ago. It was ok. But
not exactly my cup o tea on the ambient front. For those who are
interested, they do a densely packed percussive thing with some Indian
mantras thrown in. The mixes tend to be kinda circular... almost
concentric. OK in the meditational sense, but not too great for
horizontal dancing. I found it interesting but not all that challenging.

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:47:20 -0500
From: a bear of very little brain ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Main,shiFt

John Nguyen Van wrote:
> Also, I finally found shiFt's 'a folding sieve' and it's ace. Is this
> group still together? I heard somewhere that the lead guy left Austin
> to go to grad school or something. Do they have anything out besides
> that one cd. Thanks.

Actually, Marc is somewhere in Pennsylvania doing his post-doc, while
Tanya is doing some sorta teaching thing in Japan.  She'll be done with
whatever she's doing and will be back in the States this summer, and I
think those two will be doing some more recording then.

In the meantime, there's a 7" single due out later this summer on the ND
label, and it features a Jean-Paul Sartre Experience cover (and pretty
cool one at that, mind you).

Laters,


hk
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"the universe is all around, the universe is falling down" - hnia


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:16:18 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Individual Fruit Pie

I've only heard two tracks from this group -- one off the Spin-Art lemon-lime
comp and another off Oedipus' annual mother's day show.  Anyways, I really
thought these two songs were rather fantastic (very melancholic but poppy).

Does anybody know what label this New York band is on, and if they've
released any singles LP's etc.. which are hopefully still in print.

Matt
-----------
Matt Neimark                      (617)225-7450
143 Albany St.
Cambridge, Ma 02139

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:42:39 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance Help

are you kidding me.  Weary of Brendan, questioning Dead Can Dance?  Next
you'll do is say that Aliens do not exist.  Of course you should go.

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:46:58 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman ([email protected])
Subject: DCD/Beatles

Their are no beatles samples on the DCD record.  Brendan and Lisa wrote a
song and while 4AD was preparing to release the song someone noticed that it
sounded like an old Beatles song (it definitely does).  To make a long story
short, Brendan and Lisa were not even familiar with the Beatles song and did
not copy it, however, as George Harrison has learned (the hard way) it does
not matter if you meant it or not, if it has the same structure, get a
copyright clearance.  That is all that is

Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:46:57 +1000
From: Arthur Chan ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave

It's a nice movie, clever and dark. And more importantly a change from the
hollywood stuff.

BTW what a great apartment...wouldn't you "kill" for one like that?


ARTC








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ENTRoPY Magazine



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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:46:50 +1000
From: Arthur Chan ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser (*cz*skle and *e*bert)

In this DCD debate, ....Also, I think that the Deep Forest comparison is a
>little harsh.

>Barry

Same here,  I think that Deep Forest is quite good. They have a slightly
different style to DCD.

ARTC








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ENTRoPY Magazine



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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:23:26 +0100
From: "Whittaker David (Exchange)" ([email protected])
Subject: Re: a pic. = 1000 (radio) words

I'm not just saying this because I'm British and in London, but the
radio, I feel, is probably the most overlooked media in the present
environment of digital-cd-rom-internet-laser-disc fetish, and the BBC,
more than ever before, is the best keeper of the new music flame.

dw
>----------
>
>Another good way of keeping up with the best in new music - aside from
>reading reviews by those you trust - is to listen to the radio...
>
>naor, I sympathise both with your 20 second track-skipping friend and
>with your frustration that he's missing out on some good stuff. I blame
>the technology.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>-   [email protected] - BBC World Service
>-   Room 503CB, Bush House, Strand, London WC2 4PH
>-   'she said: there's something in the woodshed
>-   he said: there's nothing in the woodshed
>-   except maybe some wood.'
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:36:46 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel ([email protected])
Subject: "Qual"-ifying Ivo's remixes

Frank Brinkhuis wrote:

>It's my turn: there IS an earlier Ivo remix: X-mal Deutschland's
>'Qual' 12" (BAD 305). 'Qual' isn't listed as a remix on the 12",
>but the CD version of 'Fetish', that contains the 'Qual 12", says:
>'Qual - 12" Remix'.

Well, I think you got me!  Unless Ivo remixed an obscure B-side at
some point prior to BAD 305...  Ivo did produce earlier stuff from
The The to Cocteau Twins, but as far as remixes go, I guess it must
be the "Qual" remix.

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA

Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:46:41 +1000
From: Arthur Chan ([email protected])
Subject: Re: HNIA 'Stars On ESP' LP mono??

>When I played the His Name Is Alive 'Stars On ESP' CD this week on
>headphones it occured to me that some of the stereo-effects are pretty
>extreme. Today I got the LP version, I played it on headphones and it seems
>as if the mix is completely mono!!

Your CD player's reproduction is probably better than your Deck's (LP
player). Decks are more tempremental for example there is not much mid
range from my Deck but from my CD player, the sound is much better. Plus a
Deck's output is lower than a CD player going into an amplifier.

ARTC








Arthur Chan
Campus Editor
ENTRoPY Magazine



entropy/ 1. measure of energy unavaliable for work in a thermodynamic system
         2. a measure of the state of disorder of a system.

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 02:02:44 +0900
From: Masaya Toyokawa ([email protected])
Subject: music stores in japan

This may be too late.
I don't know where is itamai.

In Osaka, I recommend "Time Bomb" at Shinsaibashi.
Toporo 51 Bldg., 2-18-18 Shinsaibashi
Chuo, Osaka, Osaka 542, Japan

They have a lot of rare & promo items. (expensive, I think.)
They take mail-order.
There are several record shops near "Time Bomb".

I hear that "Les Disques Du Soleil" at Umeda (Osaka Station) is good.
4F Matsuda Bldg., 2-7-2 Sonezaki
Kita, Osaka, Osaka 530, Japan
Midosuji Street. Near Umeda OS Hotel.

I strongly recommend you to buy "Record Map" at bookstore, if you have a
friend who read the book (in Japanese) and take you to the shop. :-)

At  0:02 AM 96.6.18 -0400, Automatic digest processor wrote:
>
>hey guys,
>
>this may be old news, but the store i work for just received the latest
>_warped reality_ mag that has a fexi with "psychotic now" by prolapse and
>"my canada" from his name is alive.  also, it contains good interviews
>with laika, pram, and others.  if anyone can't find this, let me know
>and i'll pick up the remaining one if it's still there.
>
>also, my work is sending me to japan for a couple of weeks.  i will be in
>itamai, which i'm told is just a short train ride to osaka, kobe, and kyoto.
>could some knowledgeable person please inform me on record stores to visit
>while there?  yes mr. McCallum, i haven't forgot about the MBM disc you
>wish.
>
>thanks,
>alan
>[email protected]
---
Masaya Toyokawa
190-25 Nansei,Mie, 516-01 Japan
[email protected]


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:54:56 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records ([email protected])
Subject: Elysium/Eight Page Story

two shows coming up from two of LA's best bands:

Saturday June 29
Elysium & Eight Page Story
The Haven
296 W 2nd St., Pomona
FREE!

Wednesday July 3
Eight Page Story
Genghis Cohen Cantina
740 N. Fairfax Blvd., Hollywood
1/2 block N of Melrose
$7 cover / $3 with flyer (maybe this note can count as a flyer?)

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| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:48:26 -0400
From: Creig Jacobson ([email protected])
Subject: Pop Quiz

Name the Artists:

1. One
2. Two Sick Sisters
3. Three Stars
4. Forty Days, Thirty Nights
5. Five Ten Fiftyfold
6. Six Layer Cake
7. Fish Seven

That's as far as I can get...
Without continuing with fishes.
There's also:
Ten
Sixteen Days

time on my hands,
[email protected]
who thought Spiritchaser sounded a lot like Colourbox until he realized he
had left Colourbox in the CD player...whoops.

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:14:43 EDT
From: Dez ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Comsat Angels

DS Roy wrote:

>In the interests of helping me round out an early 80's postpunk
>collection of all the usual suspects, I'd like to call upon the expertise
>of this list to comment upon the the first three Comsat Angels

It's been a long time since I listened to them, it must be said. Waiting For A
Miracle is pretty dirgy and flat-sounding, but it does include the absolute
classic 'Independence Day'. Sleep No More is better. More variation, a better
sound, and (for the most part) better songs, including the dream-like title
track, and the quite sinister 'Dark Parade' which was written about the failed
helicopter rescue of the Iranian hostages back in '80, or whenever it was.
Fiction starts well with 'After The Rain', another great Comsats song, but
promptly dives into a pretty tuneless rut after that. I always thought they were
a better singles band, and a lot of their b-sides were much better than album
tracks. In the early eighties there was a cracking singles compilation called
Enz released in Holland (which I never bought). Actually, if anybody out there
knows - is there a good Comsats compilation available of their early stuff?

- Dez

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:14:40 EDT
From: Dez ([email protected])
Subject: A few reviews

One or two bits and pieces that have recently found their way into my grubby
hands.

Stars On ESP has, of course, been reviewed to death here. My impressions are
mixed, but generally amongst the gems, there's a lot of inconsequential fluff.
That's true of all their records, but the gems to fluff ratio is lower than at
any time since Livonia. Disappointing.

Beck's new LP is similarly disappointing. Most of the tracks would stand out
alone on the radio, but all together the kind of appalachia/hip hop mix gets
pretty boring after a while. The tempo seldom changes, and Beck drones on in his
narcoleptic way. A neat idea done to death.

Spring Heel Jack's 68 Million Shades is supposed to be, according to most
reviews I've seen, a huge advance from last years brilliant 'There Are Strings'.
Alas, I have to report that it's not. It's less lush, and in places a little
jazzy - but in a boring Galliano way. There are some outstanding drum and bass
grooves, and the rhythms are more upfront, but it seems too self-conscious. They
seem to have fallen between two stools - toning down the great sweeping strings,
but at the same time not really cranking up to the hardstep challenges of Roni
Size et al. Maybe I'll grow to like it more in time.

Finally some odd musings.

The BBC are using Colourbox's world cup theme thing for their Tour de France
trailers on the radio.

His Name Is Alive didn't play on the radio (Radcliffe - Radio 1) on Wednesday
night. I tuned in too late to find out exactly why, but I gather it's something
to do with the MU and/or work permits.

people whose opinions I respect, stuff I've heard on the radio or in clubs, or
stuff people tape for me. As for short sound samples - well, they won't tell you
whether a track or record is particularly good or not (unless it's the first
four bars of 'God Only Knows', or something). But it doesn't take long to spot a
turkey.

Dez


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:13:14 -0400
From: TIM CONLON ([email protected])
Subject: Comsat Angels

  I thought "Independence Day" was on Land...


TIM CONLON
[email protected]


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:07:54 -0500
From: Neil Solomon ([email protected])
Subject: COCTEAUS KC DISASTER

Reporting from Kansas City  the site of yesterdays disasterous  Lolopalooza
I bring this  report with deep regret and consternation. The Cocteau Twins
performed to a crowd of hate mongering Mettallica fans and were jeered off
the stage with mudballs and verbal abuse.

Let me first aploligize to the Twins for this heineous reception, the music
was great guys. Beautiful Job. I love you music and to have this be my
first live preformance was to be a rare treat for me not a reenactment of
the ritual abuse of Artists so commonly practiced in Kansas City's banal
and lifeless cutural vvoid. Thank you for coming and thank you for leaving
when you did. Take care of youselves and keep working your musical magic
because there are some of us here that are listening.

The set started out great. Pure Cocteau all the way, heavenly. I recognized
and loved all the songs yet am poor with the names.

The Crowd was hostile from the beginning of  the show, waving "the Finger"
and shouting "fuck you you suck get off the stage". Then the mud throwing
ensued. At first there were only a few losers engaging in this practice and
I was able to accost one and make him stop. He later apologized to me with
a smirk on his face,  "hey sorry about the show, man". The abuse of the
Twins went on untill Liz was hit in the face with a mud soaked lemon. She
curtly responded, "Thank you, Good Night." The show was over afeter about a
half hour of wonderful swirling music that was very openly emotional and
fresh.

I tried to talk to someone, anyone, backstage to let the Cocteaus know the
sincere and deep regret that I felt about the crowd's behavior but to no
avail.  I talked to one "guard" and then to his "supervisor" and finally
resorted to discussing my need to apologize to a police officer who was
backstage. The police officer informed me that the Twins were in their
trailer and had "requested police sequesterment" and that I should try to
get a message to them later.  This is that message.

The crowd was not admonished for their actions but the Bands requested that
the beer be cut off, which it was. There was no general remorse shown. I
sat in the chill out tent till it was closed by the show "authorities".
The Chill Tent sucked anyway. No one save one carnival worker and a couple
of african american hipsters with dreds was willing to share in any way.
Not drugs. Not conversation. They were all getting ready for Metallica.

Mettalica was, in my opinion,  a group of lame lifeless losers of moderate
musical talent who were content with sucking the blood out of the rotting
corpse of their own future. Wake up, guys. Anger is valuable as Liz showed
when she confronted you, her perpetrators. But anger is not and end in
itself and your skill at being angry alone is not worth attention. Grow up
and make some music.

The next Cocteaus show I see will be in a safer place. If you do come back
and perform again, perform your next show in a more receptive venue, I'll
come to hear you. But, after living here for 32 years I am finally
considering moving. Good luck guys, blessed be you.

And note to 4ADers everywhere. Keep on listening. Be bold individuals. Fuck
the noise.

Signing off from the "Wholsome American Grain Belt,"

Neil Solomon,
Lurker, Wanderer.


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:38:56 EDT
From: Dez ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Comsat Angels

>  I thought "Independence Day" was on Land...


> TIM CONLON

It was, but that was a rerecording. The original and best version came out in
1980, and was on the first album as well as being their third single.

- Dez

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:21:48 -0400
From: K- ([email protected])
Subject: New Red House Painters Album

hi everyone,

sorry to post myselfish within days of my last one, but i thought there
might be some fans interested in hearing some soundbites off the new
album 'Songs for a Blue Guitar'.
The album lyrics are also transcribed already (o.k., so i'm a freak).
If you don't have the ability to playback sound files, let me just say
that the new album is fantastic. it's very broad, stylistically-
speaking, and the title track positively sounds like Mark doing a Hope
Sandoval impersonation, in a really, really excellent fashion.
i'll post a full review on the site in the next couple of days, though
i won't post here again, as non-RHP fans will probably get annoyed by
me posting 3 times in a week for the site.
July 23rd is the street date. more info can be found on the RHP news
page, which can be gotten to below.

thanks all,
           K-

--
my homepage, linked to the home pages for the bands
Lowlife, Red House Painters and the ANoise Annoys
record label. The Bay page is coming soon...
Hope you enjoy.


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:17:55 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance set list

It's a well known fact that DCD plays many unreleased songs
in their live shows. In fact for the Aion tour I seem to remember
that well over half of the material had not been released.

So besides Lisa and Brendan, who's in the touring band
this time? Is that "constantly running in place drummer"
with them again?

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:57:23 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee ([email protected])
Subject: Re: DCD in Amsterdam: CANCELED!

>It's not sure yet if they will play their second concert (tonight)...


They did, but only for one hour (and they canceled the supporting act
because they wanted to start early in the evening) Lisa did sing well but
only on a few songs, she was still verry sick and left the stage twenty
minutes before the show was over. I hope she's feeling better on sunday for
you people in London...

The concert was good, not great (too short!). They did a few songs from
their last album and a lot from the Toward The Within time. One or two new
songs. I don't think there will be another live album after this tour.

The tour program is a 15 page bookled with a cd in the back-cover. Full
color and black paper with white ink. A lot of pictures and some
interesting info about the band. The track 'Sambatiki' is a 7.35 minute
instrumental piece of music. It will sold on the whole tour.


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, June 29, 1996
... [email protected]

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:39:43 -0500
From: Cedric Caspesyan ([email protected])
Subject: Ivo' s Remixes outside 4ad?

Does anyone hold a list of Ivo remixes made outside of 4ad ?

(ex. : Cranes, etc...)

cedric

[email protected]


P.S. Lush is covering Magnetic Fields on their last 7" :
     I haven't heard this yet but I expect a lot !

"Madre Deus live ! First North American tour !
 Do not miss this one !"

"And don't miss Combustible Edison tour either !"

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:48:50 -0700
From: randall g ([email protected])
Subject: Dead Can Dance set list

Hi, I've just joined this list mostly so I can ask this question:

I'm going to the Dead Can Dance concert here in Vancouver BC in August.
While perusing the Dublin concert review on the DCD website, I tried to
identify all the songs. Several of them do not appear in the discography
anywere (I just finished buying all the DCD albums today). Here's the list
and the source of the songs I could find. Anyone know where the unknown cuts
are from? Or are they new things that didn't make it onto the Spiritchaser
album?

(Also, some of them seem to be original from the Toward the Within album,
which I thought was a live album that didn't have original material)

Comments?


Neirika                                 Spiritchaser
Byla                                    ???
Rakim                                   Toward the Within
Song of the disposed                    Spiritchaser
Yulanga                                 Into the Labyrinth
Snake and the moon                      Spiritchaser
Sanvean                                 Toward the Within (ne the Mirror Pool)
Dolphins                                ???
Greek rembetiki                         ???
Oman                                    Toward the Within
Indus                                   Spiritchaser
American dreaming                       Toward the Within
Cantara                                 Toward the Within (ne Within the Realm)

Encore 1
Bolero                                  ???
Tanamakoa                               ???

Encore 2

Dreams made flesh
  - (Brendan playing the Dulcimer!)     ???






randall g   mailto:[email protected]   http://www.telemark.net/~randallg

When You let me fall, grew my own wings, now I'm as tall as the sky
When You let me drown, grew gills and fins, now I'm as deep as the sea
When You let me die, my spirit's free, there's nothing challenging me
        - James (a band from England, not my name)

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 20:46:34 -0400
From: Lush Muse ([email protected])
Subject: the e-bow

hey!

can anyone tell me about the e-bow? i know it's a thing you use to play the
guitar with to make certain effects. but what does it look like? where can i
get one? and how much does it cost? sorry this isn't very thislisty, but i
heard that bands like lush and pale saints used the e-bow, so...

thanks!
pete

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:17:26 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance set list

two replies to the set list questions


dreams made flesh (also labeled catherdral on some bootlegs) is from the
first TMC cd and is a wonderful song. i have listened again and again and
have figured out it is a song about the myth of orpheus and eurydice


and yes the "running in place" drummer is on this tour. he must lose 10
pounds every night


your faithful dcd original hunter

todd sanders

i should probably locate the original algonquin language version to track
number 2 shortly


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:11:08 -0700
From: rainboy ([email protected])
Subject: lynn canfield/the moon seven times...

i do not know if this has been posted yet, since im on the digest,
but oh welllll...


lynn canfiled is still around doing bautiful things..the moon seven
times just finsihed recording a new album this past spring and plan
to release it september..they recently played a show at the metro
in chicago about a month ago (which i attended) and a show a few
weeks ago in champaign at the blind pig (which i did not attend)..
my (soon to be) roommate told me they were the best hes ever seen
them and along with lynn, henry, brendan and don, they have a new
second guitarist/keyboardist to take some of the live pressures
of henry, who played guitar and effects at the same time a lot..so
hell be able to concentrate on just guitar..the new songs sound
excellent, very meaningful and more like their first album, just
judging from the ones ive heard and what craig has told me..so i
guess thats about it..oh and theyre hoping to do a real tour for
once, as well...

rainboy..theyre not for me..
--
                     she looks into his face
                      just to be with him
                 and the clouds dont move again
                     ...nothings changed...
                           *slowdive*

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:23:38 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: dead can dance and unreleased songs (was dcd set list)

one other reply

brant nelson wrote :

It's a well known fact that DCD plays many unreleased songs
in their live shows. In fact for the Aion tour I seem to remember
that well over half of the material had not been released.



the aion tour show i saw in dc had 28 songs, 19 of which were new at that
time, and only 10 of those 19 have been recorded since.

my current count for still unrelased songs is around 25 or so. this included

"lilian colours" which most bootlegs agree on as a title

"the childrens toys" a rather interesting marching sort of piece

"convict of sin" not the right title but has the lyrics "little man holds the
world in his hand"

"at first and then" (known in some circles as flutes from nowhere) which is
the completely extended version of the original peter ulrich track from the
second TMC cd. this song is my all time favorite and was completely wowed by
it at the aion show. everyone playing percussion. then they all stop on sync
and start again on sync. i have currently 4 different versions of this song
recorded at differing dates and it is very interesting to see how the song
progressed.

total thundering drums on this one.

and one more song who name escapes me right now (i ma moving so all my cds
are packed up) but is about how different religious factions kill each other
in the name of god and why that is wrong.


for those interested i may be putting together soon a dcd unreleased tape
featuring the best of dcd material never officially recorded, along with a
few things from brendans early band off the ak79 cd.

for those interested, send me email at   [email protected] and we will
discuss it.


todd sanders

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:48:31 -0700
From: the mystery parade ([email protected])
Subject: Re: COCTEAUS KC DISASTER

This report was absolutely disgusting to read. And I heard the Cocteaux
were "hand picked" by Metallica...any truth to that?


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 22:41:11 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Elijah's Mantle label comp w/Lisa Gerrard

The De Nova Da Capo label that has been spitting out Elijah's Mantle works
has now put out a compilation CD of some of their other works including 2
tracks from Lisa Gerrard entitled "These Wings without Feathers".

Contibutions from CoEx, Elijah's Mantle, Lisa Gerrard, and Ronan Quays grace
this offering.......2 tracks each with the exception of Elijah's Mantle who
contribute only one track.

After one listening, I can whole-heartedly recommend a search for this one.

try your local tune shop....catalogue # is DNDC 007 CD....got mine for abouts
$16.99 me's thinks.

happy hunting~
blu

Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 20:45:13 -0600
From: FlowerSky ([email protected])
Subject: help!

is there a 4ad digest? if so can someone send me thedirestions on
subscribing to it?

thanks in advance....

Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:36:53 +1000
From: Arthur Chan ([email protected])
Subject: Neighbours.....

I can't believe that you guys watch that shite in the UK








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ENTRoPY Magazine



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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:36:49 +1000
From: Arthur Chan ([email protected])
Subject: Re: 4AD wallpaper

>Wasn't there a cocteau twins poster on the wall in "ferris bueller"?


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ENTRoPY Magazine



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