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Subject: I lied. (Nooten.)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:25:31 -0400
From: Einexile@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:48:43 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: I lied. (Nooten.)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:24:11 -0400
From: Einexile@AOL.COM
Subject: Robert Miles
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:29:18 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: doom generation
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:45:59 -0500
From: "John, Jacci, & Madison" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Spiritchaser
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:04:01 -0500
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Lynn Canfield
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:32:35 -0500
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: I lied. (Nooten.)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:27:18 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lynn Canfield
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:41:24 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Felt
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:33:49 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: FOR SALE : DCD in London!!!
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:14:28 +0100
From: Peter Fuller (peter@PHIBES.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Lynn Canfield
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 06:17:21 -0600
From: FlowerSky (dmrogers@BRAIN.UCCS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kelly Deal 500 (?)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:43:53 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: bad angel
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:28:43 -0400
From: all aboard the express kundalini (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser (*cz*skle and *e*bert)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:38:27 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: Kelly Deal 500 (?)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:03:10 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Lynn Canfield
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:16:02 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Kelly Deal 500 (?)
Date: 27/06/96 15:02
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: DCD and a Beatles?
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 18:08:36 CET
From: Adam Olszewski (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Kelly Deal 500 (?)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:41:08 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Dead Can Dance Help
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:04:00 PDT
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Comsat Angels
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:08:00 -0500
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: DCD guitar
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:27:40 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard "Lament" on Web
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 18:14:16 +0200
From: Rene CHALON (chalon@irpeacs.fr)
Subject: Re: Lynn Canfield
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:20:54 -0700
From: "C. Kemnitz" (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD and a Beatles?
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:40:25 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Remixing Ivo
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:41:28 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD and a Beatles?
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:38:51 -0400
From: "there are those who call me.... dan" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD and a Beatles?
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:26:02 -0400
From: stretch out and wait (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: New Red House Painters Info
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:19:05 -0400
From: K- (ash@DHP.COM)
Subject: looking for a CT poster
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:24:11 -0500
From: "niki.t.saukam" (niki@IO.COM)
Subject: more on yang t'chins
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:41:46 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Pixies revelation
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:44:18 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: HNIA 'Stars On ESP' LP mono??
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 23:18:07 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Remixing Ivo
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 23:18:41 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: a pic. = 1000 words
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:47:14 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: 4AD wallpaper
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:05:49 -0800
From: Enrique Jimenez (Enrique_Jimenez_at_SONY-VTM@CCMAIL.SGO.SONY.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD wallpaper
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:14:21 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: RAPOON and HNIA
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:54:33 -0800
From: Enrique Jimenez (Enrique_Jimenez_at_SONY-VTM@CCMAIL.SGO.SONY.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD guitar
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 18:17:22 -0700
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Main,shiFt
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:36:38 -0500
From: John Nguyen Van (jvskip@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD wallpaper
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:26:11 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:25:31 -0400
From: Einexile@AOL.COM
Subject: I lied. (Nooten.)


The track by Pieter Nooten (from Clan of Xymox) that I said I put up at my
site here did not work out. I messed it up or something. It's there now if
anyone wants to see how great his solo work is. Little over a minute long in
wav format and is at ftp://members.aol.com/einexile

Please don't write me here as I only check my mailbox about twice a week.

  eine'xile" -> Mk

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:48:43 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave


 Rick Stone  wrote:

> absolutely brilliant...there are so many amazing, head fucking aspects to
> that movie that its difficult to think of any one that stood out more than
> others...
>
> the ending was pretty damn clever, though.
>
> anyone else?

I thought it was an excellent movie--made great fun of being cool, for one
thing.  Well photographed, as well, especially considering that 85 to
90 percent of it takes place in one (admittedly large) apartment, you
never feel like you're seeing the same thing twice.  Americans should
be prepared to rewind a few times at the beginning, as the Scottish
accents are a bit thick.  Overall, however, *highly* recommended.

"It's cool, man," says my girlfriend.  So count that as two
recommendations. :)

moran@hal-pc.org
>
> rick
>
> ps:  who directed it and have they done anything else??
>
> >fouraydee ers:
> >
> >A friend rented Shallow Grave and insisted I view it. Pretty twisted and
> >intense... macabre Scottish humor... Just curious what people thought
> >about it.
> >
> >
> >
> >in:nowhere
> >_Bri
> >
> >
>
>

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:24:11 -0400
From: Einexile@AOL.COM
Subject: I lied. (Nooten.)


The track by Pieter Nooten that I said I put up at my site here did not work
out. I messed it up or something. It's there now if anyone wants to see how
great his solo work is. Little over a minute long in wav format and is at

Please don't write me here as I only check my mailbox about twice a week.

  eine'xile" -> Mk


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:29:18 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Robert Miles


Listies, again asking for info...

I just heard a track called 'Children' by Robert Miles, the album is called
Dreamland. The track features a dance beat with a BEAUTIFUL piano in it. Has
anyone heard this album? If you have, is it worth getting it?

Gracias por la informacion!

Pepe
*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:45:59 -0500
From: "John, Jacci, & Madison" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Re: doom generation


>>may I take this opportunity to recommend The Year My
>Voice Broke and then Flirting (they go together)--intelligent, beautiful
>movies written and directed by AN ADULT, dammit.
>
>I second that.  Both intellectually and emotionally fulfilling movies.  And
>starring Nicole Kidman (Flirting) to boot.

Can I third this?  THe Year My Voice Broke is one of the best foreign films
I have ever seen in my almost 30 year existence.  Period.


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"you're so boring boring boring / always tape machine recording
 you're so boring boring boring / and you've heard all this before"
                                                        -Dead Kennedys

john b. jones                   jojones@syr.edu
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:04:01 -0500
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Spiritchaser


Einexile is a bit harsh: Dead Can Dance's "Spiritchaser" is not a terrible
album, but it  will probably lag in playtime far behind "Within the Realm"
and "Serpent's Egg".

Gerrard and Perry should be given credit for following their own
interests on their most recent album, rather than pandering to the
expectations of their fans, like a former 4AD trio I could mention.

If "Within the Realm" was the result (among other things) of Lisa Gerrard
discovering the "Le Mysterie de Voix Bulgares" albums, "Aion" produced in
the aftermath of some Hildegard von Bingen revelations, and "In the
Labyrinth" a response to Islamic cantilation and Kurt Weill, then
"Spiritchaser" perhaps results from Brendan Perry's investigations of
Nigerian Juju music.  The sonic signatures (aside from the talking drum
choir, the duo make use of the hand and electronic percussion present at
Quivvy church) are all there, in the vocal rhythm and melodies, the call
and response harmony vocals, layered light fingered guitar ostinatos, and
hovering hawaiian slide guitar.  Owing to Brendan's vocal predicament, his
pieces sound like Neil Diamond in Lagos.  Lisa is back to the sinuous,
melismatic vocal lines of "Labyrinth", but given the mellow accompanyment,
her voice doesn't compel me to crawl out of my skin, as in her finest
moments.  The album, dispite the liner note invocations to animal
spirits, is the lightest album DCD have released.  The artwork, while
making the connections to black Africa explicit, is similarly meek.

Anyway, if you like the sound of the album, particularly the Perry
features, the album "Juju Music" by King Sunny Ade on Mango records is
highly recommended.  It also happen to be a bit of a landmark, being the
first afropop album released on a major label in the US.  Latter Ade
records are less organic, but still perfect fodder for dentist waiting
rooms.

d s roy

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:32:35 -0500
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Lynn Canfield


Regarding recorded appearances by Lynn Canfield (of Area and Moon 7 Times)

Unless I'm mistaken, there's a forthcoming M7x album in the works.  Aside
from the 4 Area and 2 M7x albums, Lynn first collaborated with guitarist
Henry Frayne in !Ack-Ack!, who were on the now presumably defunct Office
Records in the early-mid 80's.  There are some compilation-only tracks
(the contribution of M7x to Heavenly Voices I is georgeous, sans drummer
Brendan), and Lynn has a token background vocal on Henry's mostly
instrumental (and mostly good) side project, Lanterna.

d s roy


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:27:18 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: I lied. (Nooten.)


Sorry. First version of that was sent to 4ad=l as opposed to 4ad-l and I
did not expect it to get through. Weird.

e


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:41:24 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Lynn Canfield


On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Mr. Rex Lloyd wrote:

> formerly of Area and The Moon Seven Times,

??

They broke up? She's not working with Frayne anymore??



  einexile who is looking forward to the new Area stuff, if any

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:33:49 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Felt

              Records" at Jun 26, 96 09:24:17 am

 Dewdrops Records  wrote on Wed, 26 Jun 1996
 (Subject: Re: Felt)
 >
 > That's a tough one.  the majority of it is "must have", but I'd say
 > either Forever Breathes The Lonely Word or The Splendour Of Fear
 > with follow-up choices being The Strange Idols Pattern and Ignite
 > The Seven Cannons.  The stuff that isn't all that good includes The
 > Pictorial Jackson Review, Poem Of The River, and Me And A Monkey On
 > The Moon.

"Poem" is my favourite!  In chronological order, with marks out of ten:

Cherry Red records:
-------------------
Crumbling the Antiseptic Beauty (6)
The Splendour of Fear (7)
The Strange Idol's Pattern and other Short Stories (7)
Ignite the Seven Cannons (9)

  The first three are twin guitar, bass (sometimes), drums.  Martin
  Duffy joined on keyboards for the fourth one, produced by Robin
  Guthrie and with Liz Fraser on "Primitive Painters" (one of the most
  perfect songs ever recorded).  She's supposedly on one of the other
  songs on the album, too, but I can't hear her.  It has a typical
  lush, full-sounding Guthrie production, very different to the
  flatter, more straightforward sound of the first three.  Lawrence
  claims he wasn't very happy with the sound, though he did get Robin
  in to produce a couple of later singles.  All these were released on
  CD with two albums on each disc - a Spanish guitar instrumental was
  dropped from TSIP for some reason (probably Lawrence's insistence
  that albums should have an even number of tracks).  There's an
  excellent compilation called "Absolute Classic Masterpieces", which
  compiles tracks from these albums with an assortment of singles,
  B-sides etc.  "Gold Mine Trash" was an earlier, less complete
  compilation.  There's also a box set with the four albums, ACM, and a
  bonus disc with five extra B-sides (not essential).

Creation records:
-----------------
Let the Snakes Crinkle their Heads to Death (4)

  <20 minutes of instrumentals.  For obsessive fans only.

Forever Breathes the Lonely Word (9)
Poem of the River (10)

  "Forever" was Alan McGee's favourite Creation album at one time
  (before he discovered yob-rock).  These two are splendid - Martin
  Duffy's swirling organ, great songs, Lawrence comes closer to singing
  in tune than he ever has, some fine guitar work especially on "Poem".
  Maurice Deebank, Felt's main guitarist, had left, and on "Poem" and
  "Monkey" session players were brought in to compensate, to good
  effect.  There was a German (I think) CD with both of these on one
  disc, Creation issued all the albums in generic white (ugly) sleeves
  recently - the older CDs have the original sleeves.

The Pictorial Jackson Review (7)
Train above the City (7, but depends on your taste)

  TPJR is a collection of songs recorded with minimal production, with
  two long Duffy instrumentals on the B-side.  "Train" is an album of
  jazz instrumentals recorded by Duffy and Ainge (the drummer) alone, on
  piano, vibraphone and drums.  Both on one CD.

Me and a Monkey on the Moon (8)

  Released on el records, because Creation couldn't get it out fast
  enough for Lawrence's "ten albums in ten years" plan.  Moog, lots of
  extra musicians, some very poignant and melancholy songs.

  Compilations: "Bubble Gum Perfume", which collects songs from the
  five Creation albums and singles (including a couple produced by Robin
  Guthrie).  Since superseded by "Absolute Classic Masterpieces 2",
  which rather pointlessly adds a few more album tracks and splits album
  tracks and singles over two CDs.

If I had to pick one, I'd go for "Poem of the River" or "Absolute
Classic Masterpieces".

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 27/06/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Acetone - If You Only Knew

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:14:28 +0100
From: Peter Fuller (peter@PHIBES.DEMON.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: FOR SALE : DCD in London!!!


I am interested in getting a ticket. Please call me on 0171-261-7441 during
the day or at night on 0181-533-3659

Regards Peter Fuller


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 06:17:21 -0600
From: FlowerSky (dmrogers@BRAIN.UCCS.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lynn Canfield


On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Darryl Stephen Roy wrote:

>  There are some compilation-only tracks
> (the contribution of M7x to Heavenly Voices I is georgeous, sans drummer
> Brendan), and Lynn has a token background vocal on Henry's mostly
> instrumental (and mostly good) side project, Lanterna.
>
> d s roy
>

is this lanterna, the bedazzled band???


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:43:53 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: Kelly Deal 500 (?)


I believe that the group is called the Kelly Deal 6000.  The album is called
"Go to the Sugar Altar" and the stateside label is Nice Records.  You can order
the lp from the Breeders fan club.  I have no idea about UK releases.  I'm
under the impression that Nice Records is Kelly's own deal, but I'm not sure.

Barry


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:28:43 -0400
From: all aboard the express kundalini (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: bad angel


        i clipped this from the online version of the NME
        (www.nme.co.uk)


TIM BOOTH AND ANGELO BADALAMENTI

     Booth And The Bad Angel
     (Fontana/All formats)

     " ... Six years of percolated musings, one Mancunian spookster
     called TimBooth, one revered Italian-American composer Angelo
     Badalamenti (TwinPeaks), and one guitar 'genius' called Bernard
     Butler. Together they bringus a debut LP of 5D quadro-sonic
     soundscape ambition.

     Tim Booth must have spent the past six years 'crafting' the lyrics
     alone.Couplets span life, death, love, God, 'Ascension', falling out
     of the sky andThe Meaning Of It All, containing such poetic quirks
     as, "the porpoise ofthis sickness is to get better, life gets
     better, life gets bitter. This isBooth as Professor Clever Breeks,
     his quill forever at the angle marked 'wry'.

     The single 'I Believe' is,
     of course, 'soaring', but it's positivelypothole-bound in comparison
     to some on this occasionally mesmerising collectionof 11 songs.
     Witness the watery piano delicacies of 'Rising', the melancholicslow
     motion plush-pop string kaleidoscope of 'Hand In The Rain', the
     sinisterguitar grate of 'Butterfly's Dream', the sparse,
     beseechingchurch-organ-cloaked finery of 'Fall In Love With Me'.

     These, then, are the good bits. Unfeasible averageness, given the
     creativecollective, however, we have in 'Old Ways', a roustabout
     James song of 'SitDown' jauntibility ... freak-out spoken word
     meanderings and effects pedalsmade out of gyroscopes cannot a
     bewitching tune muster.

     Tim Booth and chums have made an album which possesses just enough
     intriguingpastel-hewn lose-yourself-in-Walnut-Whip atmospherics to
     make you forget Jamesever happened."

     (6/10) Sylvia Patterson

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:38:27 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser (*cz*skle and *e*bert)


---Cz  wrote:
Ahhh, maybe that's the difference.  Personally, I like those albums better
than Within the Realm ... and s/t.  Maybe it's a matter of perspective
that makes the difference between viewing Spiritchaser as "a respectable
album from a brilliant band" to "a 'goddam fuckin horrible' album from a
declining has-been band."
--- end of quoted material ---

In this DCD debate, I have to agree with what cz says...although I've been
listening to DCD since before Aion, I'm in the camp that LIKES Labyrinth and
Toward the Within.  I think that the band is making progress and evolving.
Personally, I thought that Toward the Within was the best DCD release.  Despite
the fact that you had Brendan and Lisa doing their own stuff, it all sounded
incredibly passionate and dynamic.   I get the feeling that a lot of listees
prefer the old DCD...my only disappointment with Spiritchaser is that it isn't
as energetic as the last few releases, but who am I to say anything?  I've only
had it for two days....Also, I think that the Deep Forest comparison is a
little harsh.

Barry

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:03:10 +0000
From: Richard Clemens (Richard.Clemens@ucsalf.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Kelly Deal 500 (?)


On 27 Jun 96 at 8:43, Barry A. Mathews wrote the following about "Re:
Kelly Deal 500 (?)":

> I believe that the group is called the Kelly Deal 6000.  The album
> is called "Go to the Sugar Altar" and the stateside label is Nice
> Records.  You can order the lp from the Breeders fan club.  I have
> no idea about UK releases.  I'm under the impression that Nice
> Records is Kelly's own deal, but I'm not sure.
>
> Barry

Melody Maker gives the UK details as the LP being released on 22 July
on Play It Again Sam (home of the grooving noisesome Young Gods and
chirpy Magnapop amongst many others)

Richard

Richard Clemens
Centre Officer
Department of Construction & Surveying
University College Salford
Frederick Road, Salford M6 6PU, UK


"The fantastic is in league against me"

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:16:02 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lynn Canfield

              "FlowerSky" at Jun 27, 96 06:17:21 am

> On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Darryl Stephen Roy wrote:
>
> >  There are some compilation-only tracks
> > (the contribution of M7x to Heavenly Voices I is georgeous, sans drummer
> > Brendan), and Lynn has a token background vocal on Henry's mostly
> > instrumental (and mostly good) side project, Lanterna.
> >
> > d s roy
>
> is this lanterna, the bedazzled band???
>
Lanterna appeared on a Bedazzled compilation - Woke Up Smiling, but their
full length CD was released on Parasol.  It has a really unusual
folded-cardboard sleeve that makes a digi-pak look primitive.  The album
is mostly instumental, but should appeal to fans of tM7x.

Are many CT fans familiar with and/or like Area and M7x?

-greg


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:42:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re[2]: Kelly Deal 500 (?)


     Can anyone give me the address of the Breeders Fan Club? Is it worth
     joining? Do they issue limited edition releases at all?

     Paul.
     Paul.Walsh@petrolite.co.uk


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Kelly Deal 500 (?)

Date: 27/06/96 15:02 I believe that the group is called the Kelly Deal 6000. The album is called "Go to the Sugar Altar" and the stateside label is Nice Records. You can order the lp from the Breeders fan club. I have no idea about UK releases. I'm under the impression that Nice Records is Kelly's own deal, but I'm not sure. Barry

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 18:08:36 CET
From: Adam Olszewski (ADAMRADV@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: DCD and a Beatles?


hello again,

i had a closer look at my Spiritchaser CD and do not know what is this remark
about a refernce to 'Within you witout you" on Indus. Why is George HArrisson
merntioned?

Anyone has an idea?

I shiver on a thought they might include a quotation from a Beatles' work.

uh?

Adam Olszewski

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:41:08 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Kelly Deal 500 (?)


I joined the Breeders fan club by buying their first issue and live-cd package.
I think it cost $23 US or something ridiculous like that.  Although I think Kim
writes a lot of the newsletter, I would recommend it for die-hard fans only.
Their merchandise can be ordered by anyone.  And it took them over a year to
come out with the second issue (fan club membership is only good for three
issues).  As far as merchandise goes, they have some interesting items
(t-shirts, etc.) and some bizarre ones (Breeders pillow cases).  If all you
want is the live cd, it can be ordered from them for $10.  If you are still
interested, e-mail me personally & I will track down the address or fax you a
copy of their order form or something.

Barry

barry.matthews@valley.net


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:04:00 PDT
From: "Heileson, Thomas" (heilts1@MPE11.GHC.ORG)
Subject: Dead Can Dance Help


(I was mysteriously unsub'd to the 4AD-L a while ago -- haven't re-sub'd as
I've been so busy -- so I don't know if this will reach you all or not... If
so, please respond via reply-to this e-mail address.)

I was wondering if anyone could e-mail me a brief opinion on the new Dead
Can Dance album, _Spiritchaser_. I'm trying to decide (this morning /
afternoon) whether to get tix to see them in Seattle on July 5. I've seen
'em before and they were brilliant, but I am a bit wary of Brendan these
days.

Thanks in advance!

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:08:00 -0500
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Comsat Angels


In the interests of helping me round out an early 80's postpunk
collection of all the usual suspects, I'd like to call upon the expertise
of this list to comment upon the the first three Comsat Angels

The description of these in the Trouser Press record guide has long
enticed me (atmospheric, JDesque, whispered voc.), they've been
recently (?) rereleased in the UK on CD, and are available through
Ear/Rational at $14.50 per.  Rather than reprise my disappointment with
the similarly vaunted Virgin Prunes, hopefully the reigning critics here
can offer a 2nd opinion.

Languishing in the land of lawns,

d s roy

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:27:40 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: DCD guitar


well, having had it for 24 hrs, i love it. more and more with each
listen. i too was aprehensive at first, but now that is changing.

i have also had the opportunity to figure out a song.
track 4 or 5(sorry i cant remember, but the one with the line: "daylight
come and i want to go home")
it takes place entirely on three strings:
d-------0-1-------0----------------------------------
a-----1---------0---3--------------------------------
e-2-3-------3-2---------------------------------------
i dont have my guitar with me, but this will give you the correct direction.
see yal
sean

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 18:14:16 +0200
From: Rene CHALON (chalon@irpeacs.fr)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard "Lament" on Web


Hi all,

On Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:07:31 +0200 Matthias Walzner
 wrote:
>I have encoded the song Lament to a Real Audio format from originally 28 MB
>.wav format to  308 KB .RA format.
>
>The song Lament was only released on a 2 track French promo digipack called
>"Deux titres "lIve" (1994).
>Diffusion Eclusive Virgin France S.A.

He sent me the file and I proposed him to put it on my personal Web page for
easier distribution than by E-mail.

Therefore, the song "Lament" (300 KB, Real-audio) is now available on:
     http://www.irpeacs.fr/~chalon/lament.ra

Many Thanks to Matthias... and enjoy the song !

Rene.

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-----------                         CNRS-IRPEACS
Phone : +33 72 29 30 27 (direct)    BP 167
Fax   : +33 78 33 33 70             93 chemin des Mouilles
Web   : http://www.irpeacs.fr       FRANCE
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              no more valid after July 12th, 1996.
              New coordinates will be available soon.


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:20:54 -0700
From: "C. Kemnitz" (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lynn Canfield


On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Gregory Lawrence Smith wrote:

> Are many CT fans familiar with and/or like Area and M7x?

Of course!

-cz

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:40:25 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: DCD and a Beatles?


>i had a closer look at my Spiritchaser CD and do not know what is this
remark
>about a refernce to 'Within you witout you" on Indus. Why is George
HArrisson
>merntioned?

>Anyone has an idea?

> shiver on a thought they might include a quotation from a Beatles' work

i have listened and listened to this song to try and figure out where the
harrison sample is. i think it is one of the bass guitar sound samples

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:41:28 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Remixing Ivo


Frank Brinkhuis wrote:

>But let's put it THIS way:  The first remix Ivo himself ever
>did for 4AD was the Xymox 'A Day' 12", issued June 1985.

Actually, unless anyone can correct me, the first remix Ivo
himself did for 4AD was the BAD 309 version of "Life In The
Gladhouse".  Ivo was assisted by Harvey Goldberg with this
particular remix.  Aside from remixing, both Ivo and Peter
Kent have been active in their band's production duties ever
since AXIS 1...

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:38:51 -0400
From: "there are those who call me.... dan" (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD and a Beatles?


On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Adam Olszewski wrote:
>
> i had a closer look at my Spiritchaser CD and do not know what is this remark
> about a refernce to 'Within you witout you" on Indus. Why is George HArrisson
> merntioned?
>
> Anyone has an idea?
>
> I shiver on a thought they might include a quotation from a Beatles' work.
>

        of course. indus' main riff from the end of the middle to the end
        end of the song is lifted directly from this beatles tune,
        which was on sgt. pepper. you know, the one that
        goes...


We were talking - about the space between us all
And the people - who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion
Never glimpse the truth - then it's far too late when they pass away

We were talking - about the love we all could share
When we find it - to try our best to hold it there - with our love
With our love we could save the world - if they only knew

Try to realise it's all within yourself - no-one else can make you change
And to see you're really only very small
And life flows on within you and without you.

We were talking - about the love that's gone so cold
And the people who gain the world and lose their soul
They don't know, they can't see - are you one of them ?

When you've seen beyond yourself
then you may find peace of mind is waiting there
And the time will come when you see we're all one
And life flows on within you and without you.

        which becomes a subtext to 'indus', obviously.


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:26:02 -0400
From: stretch out and wait (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: DCD and a Beatles?


On Thu, 27 Jun 1996 TS61822@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> i have listened and listened to this song to try and figure out where the
> harrison sample is. i think it is one of the bass guitar sound samples
>

        its _not_ a sample. its a reference, as in dcd
        integrate a the riff from the harrison song
        into their song, and the borrowed riff is
        similar enough (in this case identical) to
        require a note on the sleeve.


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:19:05 -0400
From: K- (ash@DHP.COM)
Subject: New Red House Painters Info


hi everyone,

just wanted to let interested parties know that there is some new
information on the Red House Painters Home Page direct from their
new label, Island Independent.
there are also some promotions that are in the works, but i'll post
here again when i know more what Island and myselfish are going to do.
thanks to everyone who's gotten in touch with me already. it's good to
know there are so many fans out there...

byefornow,
          K-

--
my homepage, linked to the home pages for the bands
Lowlife, Red House Painters and the ANoise Annoys
record label. The Bay page is coming soon...
Hope you enjoy.


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:24:11 -0500
From: "niki.t.saukam" (niki@IO.COM)
Subject: looking for a CT poster


Hi all....

I'm looking for a subway-sized poster of the Cocteau Twin's Heaven or Las
Vegas album cover. I saw such a poster about four years ago in the local
vinyl shop but have had a difficult time in locating one since. I would
appreciate it if anybody could lend any advice...


-Niki-
...................................................
niki.t.saukam                           niki@io.com
...................................................


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:41:46 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: more on yang t'chins


For those interested in hearing more about my purchase
of a yang t'chin: I found a professional musician who
does tunings at his house in Monterey Park (near LA).
He had the initial tuning done in about 30 minutes,
but it has to be repeatedly tuned over a few days
until it remains stable. No doubt since he's a
professional he regards what I bought as a "toy":
it's smaller with not as much range as his, but he says
it sounds very good (to me, it didn't sound that much
different from his-- maybe a little softer and not as rich).
And since I only paid $140 (it's more impressive if you
say HK$1100) he thought I got a very good deal. So if any
of you are thinking of buying a yang t'chin, you could
apparently do a lot worse than what I did. And after all,
according to Brendan in the Toward The Within video,
Lisa bought hers for $40 in a supermarket in China...

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:44:18 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Pixies revelation


I have been playing the Pixies albums, one by one, in reverse order.
Today I reached "Surfer Rosa/Come on Pilgrim".  Wow!  While, for
instance, "Trompe Le Monde" is a turgid piece of shit and "Doolittle"
has some nice tunes but really doesn't mean anything, this album
is *incredible*.  I had totally forgotten how good it is.  Shouty,
great pop tunes, searing sounds, great backing vocals by Kim Deal,
*fresh* and *living* atmosphere -- innovative and crazy stuff.

My.

Francis only had an album and a half in him, though.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 23:18:07 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: HNIA 'Stars On ESP' LP mono??


When I played the His Name Is Alive 'Stars On ESP' CD this week on
headphones it occured to me that some of the stereo-effects are pretty
extreme. Today I got the LP version, I played it on headphones and it seems
as if the mix is completely mono!!
Am I wrong, or...??

Oh, and the LP front cover design is TOTALLY DIFFERENT to the CD front cover
design.
Also, the date listed on the CD frontcover is 27 mars 1996, while the date
listed on the LP frontcover is 10 may 1996.

???????


Frank

+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 23:18:41 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Remixing Ivo


Jeff wrote:

>Actually, unless anyone can correct me, the first remix Ivo
>himself did for 4AD was the BAD 309 version of "Life In The
>Gladhouse".  Ivo was assisted by Harvey Goldberg with this
>particular remix.

It's my turn: there IS an earlier Ivo remix: X-mal Deutschland's 'Qual' 12"
(BAD 305). 'Qual' isn't listed as a remix on the 12", but the CD version of
'Fetish', that contains the 'Qual 12", says: 'Qual - 12" Remix'.

Your turn Jeff :)

Frank



  Aside from remixing, both Ivo and Peter
>Kent have been active in their band's production duties ever
>since AXIS 1...
>
>Jeff Keibel
>Toronto, ON
>CANADA
>
>
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:47:14 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: a pic. = 1000 words


indeed. but does the same apply to music?
einexile's nobel attempt to expose us to unfamiliar music by means
of distributing wav files of selected songs, has got me thinking, again,
of that question. I'll try and give my opinion on the matter in short.

-a good friend of mine has this nasty habit. whenever he gets a new record
(usually something I bring him) he listens to the first 20 seconds of each
track to decide if it's good enough for a thorough listen. sampling the
music- he calls it. when that happens I feel like kicking him in the head.

-that is just an extreme example of a common mistake (imo) that many people
make when listening to new music. obviously, you can't tell anything about
a record from the beginning of all the tracks. if you must sample a record
in a few minutes, you'd be better off listening to one complete song/track.

-but that is not to say that you can tell a lot about the record from one
track! people who use the listening posts in record stores in order to
decide whether to buy or not are taking an awful risk. I'm not talking
about buying something you end up hating, but rather on missing out on
music you might have loved if you took the time to listen to the whole
thing. of course, some people listen to entire records in the store but I
could never do that. not because I'm not rude enough to hog the listening
post for an hour. it's just that listening to music is a somewhat personal
experience for me and having a bunch of people starring at me makes it
impossible for me to concentrate.
and besides, it often takes a while before you learn to appreciate some
new music.

-so, what is the answer? you ask. what is the best way to be exposed to new
music? (without buying every release on the planet)

-reviews! I is my humble opinion that a well written review from someone
whose taste in music you respect, ( it does not have to match your own)
can tell you more about the music than your own impression when you first
hear it. it has to be a good review, not simply "I like this I hate that"
it doesn't even have to be a 'thumbs up' review.I have bought many cd's
of completely unfamiliar artists, based of reviews from people/music writers
I know, without listening first to one note. (of course, the opposite is
also true, and I have bought cd's based on a few seconds of music I heard on
the radio. but that is rare.)

-so. e. take my advice. your wav file plan is no good. keep posting reviews
instead.

-enough rambling from me.
-naor-


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:05:49 -0800
From: Enrique Jimenez (Enrique_Jimenez_at_SONY-VTM@CCMAIL.SGO.SONY.COM)
Subject: 4AD wallpaper


     Yesterday I was switching through the channels on my Tee vee set and
     stopped for a while on the Fox TV show "Party of Five".  To my
     surprise, the little girl's room was decorated with a "Split" poster
     from Lush.  I also remember seeing another poster from This Mortal
     Coil on Gregg Araki's movie "The living end" (he did "Doom generation"
     and "Totally fucked up").

     The question is, has anybody else sighted 4AD stuff lying around in
     the surroundings of a movie or TV show?


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:14:21 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: 4AD wallpaper


Wasn't there a cocteau twins poster on the wall in "ferris bueller"?

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:54:33 -0800
From: Enrique Jimenez (Enrique_Jimenez_at_SONY-VTM@CCMAIL.SGO.SONY.COM)
Subject: RAPOON and HNIA


     Found this on the ambient list:

     -----------------------------------------------------------
     "RAPOON is the solo project of Robin Storey, a founding member of the
     incredibly influential ambient-industrial group ZOVIET FRANCE

     RAPOON 1996 North American Tour
                                *** subject to change ***
          (check http://www.interlog.com/~stained/rapoon.htm for latest info)

     6 Jul   Detroit, MI  Zoot's (with various incarnations of His Name Is
     Alive)"
     -------------------------------------------------------------

     Does anyone know which incarnations of HNIA will play at the date
     mentioned above?


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 18:17:22 -0700
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: DCD guitar


>track 4 or 5(sorry i cant remember, but the one with the line: "daylight
>come and i want to go home")

Harry Belafonte's "The Banana Boat Song"?


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:36:38 -0500
From: John Nguyen Van (jvskip@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Main,shiFt

              Stephen Roy" at Jun 27, 96 01:08:00 pm

Are Main's Hz singles worth getting? How do they sound, compared
to Motion Pool or Firmament II?

Also, I finally found shiFt's 'a folding sieve' and it's ace. Is this
group still together? I heard somewhere that the lead guy left Austin
to go to grad school or something. Do they have anything out besides
that one cd. Thanks.




Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:26:11 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4AD wallpaper


  i once saw an hnia poster on the revamped version of the disney
  channel's mickey mouse club. it was in a skit set in a record
  store and was the only recognizable poster on the wall.

  i also spotted a lush poster on showtime's defunct "teen show"
  cris cross {sp}.

  *k*


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