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Subject: dead can dance
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:43:48 -0600
From: FlowerSky (dmrogers@BRAIN.UCCS.EDU)
Subject: Tortoise
Date: 26/06/96 03:38
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: 4 x (A x D) = ?
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:09:06 -0500
From: Cedric Caspesyan (sentiment@ACCENT.NET)
Subject: Re: Romeo is bleeding...
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:09:31 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ghost In The Shell soundtrack
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:39:49 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Tortoise
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 06:45:49 -0400
From: ulangilah (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: 4 x (A x D) = ?
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:31:53 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Manga!
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 07:19:35 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Shallow Grave
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:07:48 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: doom generation
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 04:52:36 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: 4 x (A x D) = ?
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:15:11 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Spiritchaser (Take a wild guess.)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:32:38 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: curve = echobelly guy?
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:41:26 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: dead can dance
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:08:22 -0400
From: calfskin smack (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: His Name Is Alive
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:03:40 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: dead can dance: Cy is hopeless
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:41:33 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:30:47 -0400
From: calfskin smack (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Scheer
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:58:00 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: It will take a "Miracle"...
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:41:05 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Felt
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:06:55 +0000
From: Tan Thong Yang (tytan@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: DCD 4
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:18:42 +0200
From: Matthias Walzner (umw17@RZSERV2.FH-LUENEBURG.DE)
Subject: Re: Felt
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:24:17 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:14:34 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Tortoise
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:10:25 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Bauhaus/'Ghosts"/"Beautiful Girls"
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:12:16 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Felt
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:55:32 -0500
From: John Nguyen Van (jvskip@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: TIM BOOTH & ANGELO BADALAMENTI
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:02:42 -0400
From: mick mumperbike (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: 'the site'
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:59:14 -0400
From: mick mumperbike (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: TIM BOOTH & ANGELO BADALAMENTI
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:13:48 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: 4 x (A x D) = ?
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:06:25 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: doom generation
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:36:44 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: paisley pop
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:17:40 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: other comps... like TMC and doom gen. -Reply
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:06:06 -0400
From: "WILLIAM D. BARRY" (BARRYWD@GWSMTP.NU.COM)
Subject: Re: doom generation
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:20:45 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Re: cowboy junkies
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:21:12 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Booth/Bad Angel
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:12:18 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: Doom Generation & other non-4AD musings
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:22:22 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: dead can dance
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:54:16 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: dcd spiritchaser cover image
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:30:50 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: DCD 4 / DCD 2?? DCD 3??
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:00:13 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Tortoise
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:50:02 -0700
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: dead can dance
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:52:27 -0400
From: Shar Everett (ISOBL202@AOL.COM)
Subject: dcd spiritchaser cover image
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:12:53 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: dead can dance
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:01:40 -0400
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" (mwelker@BGNET.BGSU.EDU)
Subject: excerpt from simple machines e-catalog/news...
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:46:41 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: DCD Spiritchaser
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:30:57 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Felt
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:43:56 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser (*cz*skle and *e*bert)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:16:28 -0700
From: "C. Kemnitz" (cz@u.washington.edu)
Subject: Ignore if you don't live in Houston
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:59:36 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Felt
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:21:27 -0500
From: John Nguyen Van (jvskip@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: search for shriekback, related but not listy
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:18:38 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Seattle Cocteau setlist?
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:32:29 -0700
From: Stephen Rusk (srusk@UVIC.CA)
Subject: Seattle Cocteau setlist?
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:33:47 GMT
From: "Mr. Rex Lloyd" (rexual@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Ignore if you don't live in Houston
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:54:43 -0500
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: cowboy junkies
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:38:46 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: 4 x (A x D) = ? : The Re and The Mix
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:29:18 -0500
From: Cedric Caspesyan (sentiment@ACCENT.NET)
Subject: It's Dead ! ...but you Can Dance to it !
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:10:42 -0500
From: Cedric Caspesyan (sentiment@ACCENT.NET)
Subject: Kelly Deal 500 (?)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb (CAMERONW@CIDM.WH.SU.EDU.AU)

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:43:48 -0600
From: FlowerSky (dmrogers@BRAIN.UCCS.EDU)
Subject: dead can dance


well i just wanted to put in my opinion on spiritchaser....
i rushed out at midnight last night and have given it a few listens since
then...and i think it is wonderful....very different!
brenden and lisa sing together alot and brenden sings more sounds than
words..you can tell they have been working together on this, everything
blends so well.
on first listen i could compare it to some native american styles of
music. there are lots of drums and repetitive beats...
so i really enjoy it and hope that there is someone else out there who
does too....
and i can wait to see them in august..

flowersky


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:09:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Tortoise


     Even though this isn't remotely 4ADish, I'm such a big fan of Tortoise
     myself that I'll answer as best I can

     Tortoise   LP/CD
     Rhythms Resolutions and Clusters CD (Remixes of 'Tortoise')
     Millions Now Living May Never Die LP/CD
     Djed Remixed by U.N.K.L.E. Ltd Edition 12"
     12" on Duophonic - Ltd Edition Red Vinyl
     Two track 7" on Soul Static Sound
     One side of a split 7" on Duophonic - from Stereolab tour 96.
     Contributed one track to the Lounge Ax Relocation Compilation CD.


     There is a coming 12"/EP called Music For Workgroups - no idea of a
     release date.

     There has been some earlier stuff released in the USA but I haven't
     been able to get my hands on any of it - basically what I've listed up
     there is what I've got.

     Paul Walsh
     Paul.Walsh@Petrolite.co.uk

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Tortoise

Date: 26/06/96 03:38 OK so I'm a little late on this particular band wagon, but I just picked up Tortoise's "Milliions now living..." and I cant stop playing it. They manage to span a couple of different genre's without falling into the cliche's on any. PLus the songs are really great too. Why didnt I catch on to this sooner?! Anybody know if they have any other releases?

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:09:06 -0500
From: Cedric Caspesyan (sentiment@ACCENT.NET)
Subject: 4 x (A x D) = ?


Responding To Brant Nelson and Rich Holtzman :

>
> I can't believe this isn't in the FAQ.
> (It is, isn't it?) I have posted about
> this before (maybe it was before you joined the list).
> To finally put this question to rest one more time, Ivo
> himself told me the origin, and yes, it essentially does
> mean "Forward". He and Vaughan or Nigel came up with a
> series of lines that went like this:
>
> 1980Forward
> 1984Ward
> 4 a d
>
> This can be seen on the back of the Modern English 7"
> Swans On Glass, which was, what AD 6 or something, the
> second 4AD release proper (BAD 5 = Rema Rema, unless
> my memory is completely shot). Ivo told me that this design
> was an abridged version of what he/Vaughan/Nigel wrote
> down, and that this is definitely where the name 4AD came from.


     So perhaps you guys were right after all (indeed if you have
heard it all from the horse's mouth).

      I admit that I was suspicious about some of the stuff that
I read in the Faq, and that I thought they were mere hypothesis...

      But still my 4 track mixer has that 4ad tag somewhere
(something like 4 and then A/D), and I couldn't resist thinking
that the label's name referred to some of their early recordings...
And responding to Rich, it would have been a "simple" idea,
considering the fact that Ivo was-is still a remixer himself
(and don't we all miss him "behind the desk") and that the tag
would have "cutely" concede its aesthetic independance as a label
leaning towards low-budget marginal acts selectionned with criterias
of potentiality rather for the mere qualities of productions
(as a reference, please listen again to "Dear Me", by Lush).
Of course, we will all agree that in date, 4ad is still responsable
for having published some real Masterpieces in sound engineering(!).

      My new hypothesis of the day is that the name might have
something to do with the fact that the 4 first items were actually
labelled Axis, and that the m...... O.K. O.K. enough, I' m out.

And Brant, I thought about this, meaby I would be interested in
doing a whole tape of 4ad covers myself (my project is called
Weak The Sentiment)....hmmm...no, no, I don't think I would put
something like that out unless I would be on the label myself,
but I could still do it for fun and send copies to all the people
who would prove me that they are intense 4ad collectors, a kind
of invitation to "reconnaissance"...
(but then, people would have to be aware that the project is all
about mediocrity and thus be prepared for sacrilege)

I need time to think about this....


sentiment


sentiment@accent.net


P.S. Did it ever occured that 4ad acts members or any member of
the 4ad crew wrote to this list (or are we all left undone) ?






"The Blanket Is Not Secure"


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:09:31 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Romeo is bleeding...


On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US wrote:

> I have the Akira soundtrack with the movie sound f/x mixed in.  I understand

I understand the U.S. release of the soundtrack is the same thing as the
Japanese *orchestral* CD.

> As for "Ghost In The Shell"; my girlfriend and I went to see it a couple of

Oshii Mamoru (romanization?) is the director.  "Patlabor 2" is generally
considered to be his (the) best film.  He'll be appearing at a convention
this weekend... I'll be there.

Sidenote - Sakamoto Ryuichi did the soundtrack for Oneamisu no Tsubasa
(wings of honneamise).

Mike

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:39:49 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ghost In The Shell soundtrack


On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Arthur Chan wrote:

> Did you see the credits at the end? The music was credited to Brian Eno and U2

I think that was just for the closing credits music.

The thing I kept thinking throughout the movie was "Ooh, that sounded off!
Can't wait to see this in Japanese!"

I can recommend a few mail order retailers that deal with animation goods
if you're interested... Oneamisu no Tsubasa, Kokakukidotai, Patlabor,
Akira, etc.  Email me if you want more info.

Mike


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 06:45:49 -0400
From: ulangilah (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Tortoise


>OK so I'm a little late on this particular band wagon, but I just picked
>up Tortoise's "Milliions now living..." and I cant stop playing it. They
>manage to span a couple of different genre's without falling into the
>cliche's on any. PLus the songs are really great too. Why didnt I catch
>on to this sooner?! Anybody know if they have any other releases?

- first untitled album
- Rhythms, Resolutions & Clusters (remixes of stuff from first album)
- plus a bunch of vinyl releases on Duophonic and stuff

> (BAD 5 = Rema Rema, unless
>my memory is completely shot)

I saw a store the other day with sign outside that read "Rema Rema Furniture
Mfg. Ltd.". So *that's* what they're doing now.


Larry

"Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy evening wear".


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:31:53 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: 4 x (A x D) = ?


>But still my 4 track mixer has that 4ad tag somewhere
>(something like 4 and then A/D), and I couldn't resist thinking
>that the label's name referred to some of their early recordings...
>And responding to Rich, it would have been a "simple" idea,
>considering the fact that Ivo was-is still a remixer himself

4AD was founded early 1980, when the remix wasn't 'invented' yet!! You only
had so called 'extended versions', on 12"s.
As far as I can remember, The Smiths' 'This Charming Man' New York Remix
12", from 1983, was one of the first indie remix records ever!

F . (r + a) = n - k


+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 07:19:35 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Manga!


Hey kids;

after reading some posts that came after i mentioned Ryuichi Sakamoto, i
        decided to check Ghost In The Shell (sorry, but i don't remember
        who first posted about this anime).  Awesome piece of work.
what I thought was cool about the tape i rent was that it had a huge
        preview of other mangas (including Akira!).  :)  well, i decided
        to go back to the video store and see if i could get Akira.
they had this "letterbox widescreen" version of Akira.  it kick ass, people!
        ok, if u have a tv with a screen bigger than 17 inches it will look
        great, otherwise...:)
ok, point is, while they were showing the preview to other Mangas, i saw the
        notorious Sega ad (i did not know Sega advertised on videos?) that
        looks like something out of E.23.  did anyone find out anything more
        about who did those ads?

JHR


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:07:48 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Shallow Grave

              -0500 <9511571425061996/A03511/ADMIN/11A6CBB72F00*@MHS>

HORTMAN_M@US.TX.CC.HCCS wrote:

>Hey, is that the movie where the 3 roomates find a suitcase of money that
>their new roommate died and left sitting under the bed?  Where the one
>roomate freaks out and moves to the attic?

No, you're thinking of Mary Poppins.

Simon Hughes

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 04:52:36 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: doom generation


Quick question before I launch, here. Is this movie campy or does it at
least take itself seriously and go for some sort of emotional impact? I
don't see how they could fit that Slowdive song into a film that is
basically a joke. I have been expecting it to place somewhere between
River's Edge and Near Dark. I guess not?

Is the ting available in widescreen format anywhere? I've been looking
around, and waiting to find that. I guess is it's trash there's no point.

On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Barry A. Mathews wrote:

> You would think there'd be a dearth of young "independant-type"
> directors out there who could come up with something better.

However many of those there may be, the movies still need to be
distributed (and often funded) by well established studios, producers,
etc, which are somewhat less young than these filmmakers. I don't mean
to bash Hollywood, here; I am increasingly a fan of the American movie
industry, but the fact of the matter is that young filmmakers aren't
deciding what makes it to theatres and what gets halfway decent video
distribution. Old non-filmmakers are making those decisions, for the
most part. They recognize a market and they think they know what's hip
and they feed it, so what you see is a lot of pandering to our
generation's self righteous disillusionment with its own apathy, or
however the hell you want to put it. I don't think it's an accurate or
fair cross section of genx filmmakers. Also, consider that the audience
were talking about is for the most part not spending its money on The
Doom Generation (or Natural Born Killaz, for that matter), but on
intelligently written, well crafted films like Se7en, Crimson Tide, and
12 Monkeys. (As well as shite like Mission Impossible, to be fair.) So
give a few of us some credit, please...and cheer up. :)

> It's as if they try to reduce an entire generation to
> a set of "issues".

Very well put. My hat off to you.

> I think what bothers me most is how
> movies aimed at us are getting increasingly and increasingly violent  - as if
> Tarrantino-type films are the only thing anyone wants to watch.

Perhaps just an extention of the slasher, ninja, and guns & ammo flicks
of the eighties, the drabness, drug use, and unappealing sex of seventies
cinema and before. This is, however, just a lot of subcultural hooey.
Reject it and go buy your tix for Independence Day. Fuck em.

(Another good rule to follow is that people who let pop songs into their
films are generally not very talented.)

> NBK was
> disgustingly bad and overwrought.  I can see Oliver Stone imagining himself
> quite hip after releasing this monstrosity.

What's worse is he was apparently attempting to make a very hackneyed
point...or so I thought, and granted him the benefit of the doubt. Now
that his response to a new boom of criticism is to release a director's
cut to the film, I dunno. Christ only knows what he plans to to with The
Fountainhead. :(

To anyone who wants to see a couple of films that take life seriously,
treat sex and violence with proper respect, and don't cop out to ye olde
nihilist party line, may I take this opportunity to recommend The Year My
Voice Broke and then Flirting (they go together)--intelligent, beautiful
movies written and directed by AN ADULT, dammit.


    einexile, who won't watch anything with wynona in it; bleagh

ps read the green mile it rocks

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:15:11 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: 4 x (A x D) = ?

              Jun 26, 96 01:31:53 pm

 Frank Brinkhuis  wrote on Wed, 26 Jun 1996
 (Subject: Re: 4 x (A x D) = ?)
 >
 > 4AD was founded early 1980, when the remix wasn't 'invented' yet!!
 > You only had so called 'extended versions', on 12"s.  As far as I
 > can remember, The Smiths' 'This Charming Man' New York Remix 12",
 > from 1983, was one of the first indie remix records ever!

I remember listening to a truly atrocious remix of Madness's "Driving in
my car", which must have come out at least a couple of years prior to
"This Charming Man" - the remix consisted mainly of scratching the
record to make it eight times as long ("I like driving driving driving
echechechech driving in my in my in my echechech driving I like
driving...").  I don't think the Smiths were the first by a long way.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 26/06/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
Acetone - If You Only Knew

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:32:38 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Spiritchaser (Take a wild guess.)


It sucks. I really went into this with a good attitude. I mean I really
did, but ended up literally sick to my stomach from it. This is the first
time this has happened to me in seven years, I think. With the exception
of one song, the album is nearly as awful as Tarantula. (Nothing is quite
that bad.) Worse than Milk & Kisses or Bad Mood Swings. I'm not kidding.

There are lots of very cosmopolitan african drums, and some of that
multicultural yodeling we knew Brendan would eventually get around to.
Nothing interesting happens with this stuff. Nothing. Except that Brendan
hollers some and seems to get upset. A guitar solo right out of bad
Spirea X works with a bad piano preset in a jazzy lounge lizard getup to
create one of the ugliest songs I have ever heard...they try to flip the
rhythms over on themselves and it just fails miserably. The whole album
is awash in lame loops of birds chirping and charming, toothless savages
singing to the Goddess, and Dead Can Dance expose themselves finally as
not a goth or worldcore act but as bad ambient somewhere between Enigma
and Deep Forest. There are some vocal harmonies that belong on a
Bongwater / Donald Fagen collaboration. Brendan cries that he has been
lied to by Western barbarians. For a few minutes they get out some bongos
and make fun of Mephisto. All at once, Brendan tries to sing like Lisa
and vice versa. There's a slap bass or something. None of the songs
amount to much of anything; they set up a motif and then abandon it,
certainly a gesture of freedom loving individualists who will not be tied
down by the arbitrary "standards" of "civilized" "musical" "composition",
as it were. Heh. :(

The only saving graces of this record are Lisa's vocals, which for the
most part are back to normal (YES i did say NORMAL), and not a surprise
(or even a pleasant reassurance) following her staggering work on The
Mirror Pool...and the last two songs. Devorzhum is a harmless, pretty
thing that goes nowhere but manages to somehow remain inoffensive for its
duration. (Maybe Brendan stepped out of the studio for a couple of
months.) Song of the Nile is a good song that sets itself up to be much
better but, predictably by this point, fizzles out without realizing any
of its potential.

Other than that, the album is goddam fuckin horrible. Even after Aion,
which for the most part I cannot stand, Lisa's horrid work on Into the
Labyrinth, and the fawning, stilted pretentiousness of Within the Toward,
I honestly never, ever thought I would see them sink this low, and I am
shocked to see it appear so soon after The Mirror Pool--moreover, to see
it appear on 4AD at all. With the possible exception of Slow Buildings,
which I could not even make myself listen to, I can't think of anything
the label has released that is anywhere near as bad as this.

Now I've seen everything. When Mojave release that Mercy ep and it sounds
like Shock Me, I doubt I'll so much as blink.

Fuck.



  einexile the jaded

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:41:26 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: curve = echobelly guy?

              

jeh wrote:

>Actually, the woman in Echobelly who was formerly in Curve is Deb?  I
>think that's her name.  She's the "obligatory black lesbian".

Shit, no wonder my solo efforts of a few years back didn't sell many
copies.

Simon Hughes


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:08:22 -0400
From: calfskin smack (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: dead can dance


On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, FlowerSky wrote:

> on first listen i could compare it to some native american styles of
> music. there are lots of drums and repetitive beats...
> so i really enjoy it and hope that there is someone else out there who
> does too....


        this cd will not return to its jewel box until mid
        august certainly, perhaps longer. fuckin-aaay!

        i remember somebody saying that spiritchaser is the
        best dcd record since aion. after listening to
        it for a scanty day and a half, im gonna go so far
        as to proclaim it the best dcd record period.

        makes me want to dance
        scoffers crawl back under your rocks. they're
        baaaaack!

        dan k

         ....the river is deep
                        and the mountain is high...


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:03:40 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: His Name Is Alive


This is a response to a question about HNIA is posed to 4AD's
Canadian distrubuter Mercury/Polydor...

Is HNIA a definite non-Canadian item?  It really will not be domestic?

>At this point, yes.  I serviced a few to HNIA supporters at campus
>radio and Warren assures me he will come and play here anyway.

So, even though Canadian HNIA fans will have to pay big bucks for the
import of "Stars On ESP", at least Warren and company will tour
some cities up here to make up for it.  Cool!!

Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:41:33 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: dead can dance: Cy is hopeless


On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, calfskin smack wrote:

>
>         this cd will not return to its jewel box until mid
>         august certainly, perhaps longer. fuckin-aaay!
>
>         i remember somebody saying that spiritchaser is the
>         best dcd record since aion. after listening to
>         it for a scanty day and a half, im gonna go so far
>         as to proclaim it the best dcd record period.
>
>         makes me want to dance
>         scoffers crawl back under your rocks. they're
>         baaaaack!
>
>         dan k
>

Great excitement can be felt in those lines. I will be seeing DCD in
Istanbul on the 4th of July. But hell, I have not even seen the
Spiritchaser album yet! let alone listen to it. It'll be
another week before my friends come from Paris with the
thing... Are there any subscribers living in Ankara? (Hopeless
question I guess)

Why doesn't 4AD distribute in Turkey?

Cy Celikyay


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:30:47 -0400
From: calfskin smack (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Jeff Keibel wrote:
>
> So, even though Canadian HNIA fans will have to pay big bucks for the
> import of "Stars On ESP", at least Warren and company will tour
> some cities up here to make up for it.  Cool!!



        does _anyone_ know what's up with an HNIA tour?
        somebody mentioned that theyre presently touring england,
        and that they were gonna be in new england with godzuki....

        just think how nice it would be if 4ad's site had
        some information about these things...

        dan k

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:58:00 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Scheer



This was probably hashed out back when the Scheer album came out, but I wasn't
on the list then....what is the 11th track on the US version of the album
"Infliction"?  Is it a b-side from an ep, or something totally different?

Thanks

Barry

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:41:05 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: It will take a "Miracle"...


More questions I posed to 4AD's Canadian distributer, Mercury/
Polydor...

What are the release dates in Canada for Red House Painters?

>That depends on who gets it -- if A&M/Island don't want it,
>it's ours -- but they have to make up their minds....

Island is part of PolyGram now, but should Island pass on RHP,
then the folks at the Mercury department could get the rights.

Heidi Berry release dates?

>No date scheduled -- one of those things my co-worker will get
>to next week when she returns.  May be an import.

Germano?  Will the "Small Heads" EP get released here?

>Album domestic September 11th -- no EP scheduled.  We ARE however,
>scheduling a "Debaser" EP for August 28th to go before the Pixies
>retrospective coming Sept. 25th

Mercury/Polydor Canada http://www.polygram.ca

posted by
Jeff Keibel
Toronto, ON
CANADA


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:06:55 +0000
From: Tan Thong Yang (tytan@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: Felt


which one of Felt's releases is a must-get?? if i were to get 1 first,
which album will you recommended?

ty tan


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:18:42 +0200
From: Matthias Walzner (umw17@RZSERV2.FH-LUENEBURG.DE)
Subject: DCD 4


HI,

I have seen DCD yesterday evening in Hamburg: They are selling a Tour
Programme with a one track CD "Sambatiki" 7.50 min Cat. No. DCD 4 (on CD
reverse).

Furthermore you can get a tour poster (nice).

        Poster: 10 DM (6 USD)

Matthias.
--

umw17@rzserv2.fh-lueneburg.de

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:24:17 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Felt


> which one of Felt's releases is a must-get?? if i were to get 1 first,
> which album will you recommended?

That's a tough one. the majority of it is "must have", but I'd
say either Forever Breathes The Lonely Word or The Splendour
Of Fear with follow-up choices being The Strange Idols Pattern
and Ignite The Seven Cannons. The stuff that isn't all that good
includes The Pictorial Jackson Review, Poem Of The River, and
Me And A Monkey On The Moon.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:14:34 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive


if it helps anyone,
        i talked to trey the other day, at the gas station(wer  justy
happened to be pumping gas at the same time, he said that he would be
hitting tucson aroundseptember 15 at he club congress. he also said that
he would be in phoenix around the 17th. he said that the tour would
originate in the upper midwest, go down the east coast to fla, throught
the southern states(yeehaw), over to CA and up the west coast and then
easst to mi. so , basically clockwise, much like a high front.
sean

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:10:25 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Re: Tortoise


Joseph Burns  writes:

> OK so I'm a little late on this particular band wagon, but I just picked
> up Tortoise's "Milliions now living..." and I cant stop playing it.

I had exactly the same reaction to this album.  I bought it and played
and played and played it.  It's *wonderful*.  I have noticed that I'm
burning out on it somewhat, though, but that's not strange considering
that I've totally worn it out.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:12:16 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Bauhaus/'Ghosts"/"Beautiful Girls"


Peter Murphy/Ghosts In The Shell/

> To: dan k
>         shoulda posted this to the bauhaus list perhaps, but
>         nobody participates on that one....

Do you mean it is a little dead?  (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)


> Subject: Ghost In The Shell soundtrack
>
> Did you see the credits at the end? The music was credited to Brian Eno and
> U2 amongst other musicians of repute. I thought the soundtrack was
> excellent.

The U2 and Eno track "One Minute Warning" from 'Ghost In The Shell' is on the
Passenger's album 'Original Soundtracks 1'.  A mixed bag of an album, but "Miss
Sarajevo" will break your heart.


> Subject: Re: doom generation
>
> But I'm far less pissed off about the Doom Generation than all of the bad
> mainstream movies that are aimed at us (Reality Bites is the most evil and
> nefarious of them all).  It's as if they try to reduce an entire generation to
> a set of "issues".  I'd rather see a well-written movie that wasn't so
> obviously aimed at a "market share".

A really beautiful Gen X movie is 'Beautiful Girls' with Timothy Hutton, Uma
Thurman, Matt Dillon and many other former brat pack members.

Very touching, at least for a softie like me.

David.


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:55:32 -0500
From: John Nguyen Van (jvskip@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Felt

              96 00:06:55 am

 The Splendour of Fear is my favorite. If you can find it, get the
 Cherry Red reissue which has both Crumbling the Antiseptic Beauty
 and Splendour.. on one CD. All of the Cherry Red years were great.
 Poem of the River isn't band at all, either.

>
> which one of Felt's releases is a must-get?? if i were to get 1 first,
> which album will you recommended?
>
> ty tan
>

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:02:42 -0400
From: mick mumperbike (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: TIM BOOTH & ANGELO BADALAMENTI


>
> Booth And The Bad Angel
> Fontana
> In stores July 3
> File under / Classer dans la section: Alternative
> PM: LT



        god bless jeff keibel for this post! wowzah.
        a james/suede/twin peaks-like collaboration....

        isnt the 3rd when the new hnia comes out too?

        off to sell plasma,
        dan

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:59:14 -0400
From: mick mumperbike (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: 'the site'

>

        can anybody tell me if you personally know
        of a working email address for somebody
        semi important at 4ad?

        here's the thing: their website sucks. graphically
        brilliant but content poor to say the very least.
        how nice would it be if they provided stuff like...

                *email to artists or their managers
                *release dates of everything being released
                 in near future, complete with catalogue #
                 so that people can have an easier time
                 special ordering stuff from the UK

                *maybe an online catalogue which
                 would do mailorder for 4ad imports
                 books/vinyl etc... over the net?

                *tour dates for 4ad artists around the world

                *4ad specific chat or irc?


        the pastabilities are mind boggling. as it is ,
        it seems that they (4ad) dont give a shit, really,
        about providing anything other than an image to
        web users.  if somebody provides an address to either
        me privately (i wont post it if preferred) or the
        list, i/we might be able to do a tactful mail-in
        campaign for more treats for web users.

        ....i mean, fuck, they could update the shit more
        than once every two months....


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:13:48 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: TIM BOOTH & ANGELO BADALAMENTI


Booth And The Bad Angel
Fontana
In stores July 3
File under / Classer dans la section: Alternative

"Booth AndThe Bad Angel" is the collaboration between James' lyricist and=
=20
singer Tim Booth and
soundtrack composer Angelo Badalamenti (Twin Peaks, Blue Velvet, Wild At=20
Heart, City Of Lost
Children).

The album was recorded in New York over a six day improvisational period.=
=20
The songs they wrote
suprized both collaborators. For sure, songs like "I Believe", "Dance Of=20
The Bad Angels" and "Fall
In Love With Me" (their mutual favourite) are entirely in keeping with=20
the floating, ethereal quality of
Badalamenti's music for Julee Cruise and Twin Peaks. However, "Hit=20
Parade" and "Old Ways" are
hook-packed pop songs and would be the envy of any young band. Back in=20
England, Booth
recruited ex-Suede guitarist Bernard Butler to play guitar on five tracks=
=20
and mix six songs. Tim
Simenon mixed a further two.

The release will be supported with the first single "I Believe" at radio=20
and video, as well as advance
publicity.

CD 526 852-2

Track Listing
I Believe / Dance Of The Bad Angels / Hit Parade / Fall In Love With Me /=
=20
Old Ways / Life Gets
Better / Heart / Rising / Butterfly's Dream / Stranger / Hands In The Ra
also available: James 510 576-2/4 =80 Laid 314 514 943-2/4 =80 Seven 510=20
932-2 =80 Wah Wah
522 827-2

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:06:25 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: 4 x (A x D) = ?


At 13:15 26-06-96 +0100, Andrew Norman wrote:

> Frank Brinkhuis  wrote on Wed, 26 Jun 1996
> (Subject: Re: 4 x (A x D) = ?)
> >
> > 4AD was founded early 1980, when the remix wasn't 'invented' yet!!
> > You only had so called 'extended versions', on 12"s.  As far as I
> > can remember, The Smiths' 'This Charming Man' New York Remix 12",
> > from 1983, was one of the first indie remix records ever!
>
>I remember listening to a truly atrocious remix of Madness's "Driving in
>my car", which must have come out at least a couple of years prior to
>"This Charming Man" - the remix consisted mainly of scratching the
>record to make it eight times as long ("I like driving driving driving
>echechechech driving in my in my in my echechech driving I like
>driving...").  I don't think the Smiths were the first by a long way.


Okay, okay, you're right. I've checked and it seems that the first ever
remix on 4AD, although it wasn't called a remix, was the Modern English
'Life In The Gladhouse' 12", issued in July 1982.
But let's put it THIS way: the first remix Ivo himself ever did for 4AD was
the Xymox 'A Day' 12", issued June 1985.
All I wanted to say is that the idea that the name 4AD has something to do
with Ivo being a 'remixer' is nonsense.

Frank

P.S. I called The Smiths' 'This Charming Man' New York Remix 12" one of the
first indie remix records ever, because it first came out as a regular 12",
that was later followed by the NYC mix 12".
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:36:44 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: doom generation


so now that we're discussing individual filmmakers vs. the film industry,
how come nobody mentioned Hal Hartley?
and something about NBK. awful movie, stupid and pointless. and I was
shocked when I heard the cowboy junkies on one of the more embarrassing
scenes of this embarrassing movie. they were virtually anonymous over here
at the time and now they're as big as madonna. (well,almost) and it's kinda
annoying that the wrong people like them for the wrong reasons. I mean,
I don't want to sound snobbish but when you overhear someone saying:
"the other day I heard lou reed on the radio doing a cover of the cowboy
junkies' 'sweet jane' " you can't help but feel a little pissed off.
-naor-
a one time movie addict now on the wagon for over two months

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:17:40 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: paisley pop


thanks, Jens, for the quick lesson in music history. so it turned out
I was listening to paisley underground stuff without realising it.
the Rain Parade is o.k. good guitar work (david roback and his brother
I think) but it does get boring after awhile.
what was it you said about the Dream Syndicate ?
>The Dream Syndicate were a bit too close to the VU
well, I don't see how that could be anything but a compliment to any band
but I agree that it's not really psychedelia.
I'm really getting into psychedelic music lately btw.
-naor-


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:06:06 -0400
From: "WILLIAM D. BARRY" (BARRYWD@GWSMTP.NU.COM)
Subject: Re: other comps... like TMC and doom gen. -Reply


Any body have a phone number to try and get a sample cassetter from 4AD ?

thanks

bill b

>>> doob-fiend  06/25/96 01:04pm >>>
On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Kyle wrote:


        i just happen to be listening to a free 4ad sampler cassette
        right now called 'shaving the pavement'. i got it thru
        the mail from somebody who went to see lush/mojave3/scheer.
        the tapes were given out free at these shows. in canada,
        you get one free with purchase of any 4ad cd or tape.
        and recently i overheard noise on this list about getting
        a 'stp' tape free by calling 4ad and asking for one.

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:20:45 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Re: doom generation


>may I take this opportunity to recommend The Year My
Voice Broke and then Flirting (they go together)--intelligent, beautiful
movies written and directed by AN ADULT, dammit.

I second that.  Both intellectually and emotionally fulfilling movies.  And
starring Nicole Kidman (Flirting) to boot.

Jon

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:21:12 -0500
From: Shane Clark (jcleveland@WOODTECH.COM)
Subject: Re: cowboy junkies


right on.
the other day i was walking home from work and some guy was cleaning out his car
and playing 'cold tea blues' very loudly.  the song drifting in the air with the
sky getting dark made me smile but the fact that this is the same guy i recently
heard screaming awful obscenities at his girlfriendwifewhatever and then tearing
out as she yelled "you bought me that car!" really annoyed me.  not that we
junkie fans are immune to strife but...i'd like to think we try to turn our
discontentment to more creative ends.  sc


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:12:18 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Booth/Bad Angel


        Is the Fontana release date (July 3rd) a UK-only date (I thought US
releases came out on Tuesdays) - Is there going to be a US release of this (to
anyone's knowledge)?

Barry

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:22:22 -0400
From: liles melissa m (mmlile@FACSTAFF.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Doom Generation & other non-4AD musings


I had the displeasure of seeing two movies this past weekend
on video (neither my selection at the video store)...

One was called "Party Girl" and I am only mentioning it because
during the opening credits they play a re-mix version of the WOLFGANG
PRESS version of "Mama Told Me Not To Come."  The movie was pretty
lame but the plot was kind of cute (about a N.Y. club kid who wants
to change her life and become a librarian...she uses the dewey decimal
system to organize her roommates house music collection etc.)...It has
a decent clubby-type soundtrack (y'know like Deee-Lite etc.).

Second, was "Doom Generation" which I thought was pure schlock!
Someone from the list last week was defending the movie by saying it
was one of those "films" where the director is pointing a finger at
you and saying "ha ha..."  I didn't get that sense at all, it seemed
to be purely sophmoric at best.  If you want to see a good film that
does that "finger pointing" well, see "Weekend" by Godard!  Or
"Medium Cool."  Both great films from the late 60's that reflects the
culture very well.  And what was with the opening credit where it says
"This is a heterosexual film" or something like that -- is that
supposed to be like Magritte's version of "This is not a pipe."  ??
The dialogue was what made me *cringe* the most, who the hell talks
like that chick?  Was that an attempt at creating a cartoony-like
character.  The only saving grace was the soundtrack...of course,
this is my humble opinion.  - mml

                    "So it's Rorschach and Prozac

                        and everything is groovy" - Nick Cave

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:54:16 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: dead can dance


Listies,

I=B4m going to get Spiritchaser by mailorder today, but to cut shipping
charges I have to order ONE more cd, here are the choices:

DCD - The Serpent=B4s Egg
DCD - Within The Realm of ...

Which one should i get? Why? =20
Reviews and more chioces accepted...

Pepe
*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:30:50 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: dcd spiritchaser cover image


>could some good soul scan the cover of Spiritchaser and file-attach it to me?

Visit the DCD page on the site:


It's the same image...



Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, June 27, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:00:13 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: DCD 4 / DCD 2?? DCD 3??


At 12:18 26-06-96 +0200 Matthias wrote:

>HI,
>
>I have seen DCD yesterday evening in Hamburg: They are selling a Tour
>Programme with a one track CD "Sambatiki" 7.50 min Cat. No. DCD 4 (on CD
>reverse).
>
>Furthermore you can get a tour poster (nice).
>
>        Poster: 10 DM (6 USD)

Thanks for the information!!

My question: what are DCD 2 and DCD 3???
(DCD 1 = 'Host Of Seraphim' promo CD from 1993)

Frank

+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:50:02 -0700
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Tortoise


>     Tortoise   LP/CD
>     Rhythms Resolutions and Clusters CD (Remixes of 'Tortoise')
>     Millions Now Living May Never Die LP/CD
>     Djed Remixed by U.N.K.L.E. Ltd Edition 12"
>     12" on Duophonic - Ltd Edition Red Vinyl
>     Two track 7" on Soul Static Sound
>     One side of a split 7" on Duophonic - from Stereolab tour 96.
>     Contributed one track to the Lounge Ax Relocation Compilation CD.

plus "As You Said" on the Joy Division tribute CD

----------------------------
t h e   m y s t e r y   p a r a d e
esoteric graphic design
                   tmp@earthlink.net
----------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:52:27 -0400
From: Shar Everett (ISOBL202@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: dead can dance


serpents egg is one of their most outstanding albums
dcd at their best
my personal favorite...

with in the realm of a dying sun is a bit more experimental... not as
moving....

hope this helps a bit

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:12:53 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: dcd spiritchaser cover image


hello,

I'm writing from Italy.  for a reason or another, we still not have
Spiritchaser in the shops, not Italy will be touched by dcd 96 tour and we
can only rely on the generous description you fellows post.

could some good soul scan the cover of Spiritchaser and file-attach it to me?

just to show to my friend fans of dcd that netters are smarter :-)

keep it on the 50k about, just to have an idea...

lbo@iol.it

maybe I'll do a very uncorrect thing, that is to "review" the album on my
fanzine reVision (http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041) only on the
base of the messages I read here.  I'll credit everyone, of course...


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:01:40 -0400
From: "Rufus T. Firefly" (mwelker@BGNET.BGSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: dead can dance


On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Lebron wrote:

> I=B4m going to get Spiritchaser by mailorder today, but to cut shipping
> charges I have to order ONE more cd, here are the choices:
>=20
> DCD - The Serpent=B4s Egg
> DCD - Within The Realm of ...
>=20
> Which one should i get? Why? =20
> Reviews and more chioces accepted...

"Within the Real of a Dying sun" without a doubt. IMHO DCD's best album,=20
and definately one of the best albums 4ad or anyone has ever put out.

Call it "gothic," "classical," or what have you, all eight tracks are=20
consistently magnificent.=20

A grand and sweeping epic of inspiring and profound orchestral majesty=20
that even among the beauty of DCD's "golden age" of albums ("Spleen and=20
Ideal", "Serpent's Egg," and "Aion") stands out.

My over-zealous two cents worth...

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:46:41 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@netcom.com)
Subject: excerpt from simple machines e-catalog/news...


  this is taken from the latest update {the tour section} from simple
  machines...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
SO LOW: JENNY TOOMEY & GEOFF FARINA
So Low  is a dual solo tour with Jenny Toomey (Tsunami, Liquorice, Grenadine)
and Geoff Farina (Karate, Secret Stars) singing some sad songs and
collaborating with a wide variety  musical friends in every city.   Each show
is set up to be something unique in some way - everything from Warren
DeFever's Noise Camp (which reportedly pitches dome tents on stage and people
climb in and make noise) in Detroit to a swap meet in Greensboro, NC.

SO LOW TOUR JULY 96    ...don't forget to bring a hankie
Fri 5 Hoboken, NJ                 Maxwells w/ members of Versus & Containe
Sat 6 Baltimore, MD            14 Karat Kabaret  w/ Tear Jerks, Linda Smith,
Larval Trading Co.
Sun 7 Philadelphia, PA     Palmer Social Club w/ Squirrel Nut Zippers
Mon 8 Cleveland, OH        Speak in Tongues  w/ Mark Edwards, Fireater
Tues 9 Detroit, MI                 Zoots w/ Warren DeFever's Noise Camp
Wed 10 Cincinnati, OH     Sudsy's
Thur 11 Champaign, IL     Blind Pig w/ Sea Clamp (members of Poster Children)
Fri 12 Chicago, IL                 Lounge Ax w/Hayden & Butterglory & Neutral
Milk Hotel
Sat 13 St Louis, MO           Cicero's
Sun 14 Memphis, TN         Barristers w/ Dave Shouse (from Grifters)
Mon 15 Nashville, TN          Lucy's w/The Warmers & The Make-Up
Tues 16 Athens, GA           Atomic Music Hall w/Dave Barbe (from
Sugar/Buzzhungry)
Wed 17 Gainesville, FL      Univ of Florida
Thur 18 Jacksonville, FL   Einstein A Go Go
Fri 19 Orlando, FL                 TBA
Sat 20 Savannah, GA         TBA
Sun 21 Greensboro, NC   Dick Street w/ members of The Raymond Brake & a swap
meet
Mon 22 Chapel Hill, NC      Lizard & Snake w/ Jule Brown
Tues 23 Charlottesville, VA
Wed 24 Washington, DC  Black Cat w/ Mark Robinson's magic show
Thur 25 New York, NY         Knitting Factory w/ members of Ida, Containe,
Norwood Cheek films
Fri 26 Providence, RI           Met Cafe w/ Flora Street (ex-members of Small
Factory)
Sun 27 Boston, MA              Middle East w/ Difference Engine

Check out more solo collaboration on the West Coast Aug 5-15 with Jenny
Toomey and Franklin Bruno.  Shows from San Diego up to San Francisco already
in the works.

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:30:57 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: DCD Spiritchaser


IMNSHO, this release is much more balanced in the overall presentation.
 The music really blends from track to track, i don't feel yanked from
music style to style.

anyhow, i too agree that this is one of the best they've put out.  but
then i like every release, each has its distinct flavour and place in
the history of the ensemble ( i find it hard to call DCD a band).

and while i'm fond of artwork as a part-time artist and graphic
designer, i rather not judge a release on the artwork.

two cents and more...euthelene, who's dancing around the apartment
chasing spirits.

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:43:56 -0700
From: aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Felt


You wrote:
>
> The Splendour of Fear is my favorite. If you can find it, get the
> Cherry Red reissue which has both Crumbling the Antiseptic Beauty
> and Splendour.. on one CD. All of the Cherry Red years were great.
> Poem of the River isn't band at all, either.
>
>>
>> which one of Felt's releases is a must-get?? if i were to get 1
first,
>> which album will you recommended?
>>
>> ty tan
>>
>
I'd ave to second that statement above.  I'm a staunch Felt fan, and
really like most of their releases, but these are great ones to start
with.  euthelene who says ditto


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:16:28 -0700
From: "C. Kemnitz" (cz@u.washington.edu)
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser (*cz*skle and *e*bert)


Okay, didn't we all get this disk yesterday?  Well for those of you still
trying to make up your mind i'll try to give a "thumb (somewhat) up"
review to counterbalance einexile's resonant thumb down.  (i'll let the
readers decide which one of us is the short chubby guy and which one is
the tall skinny one)

Spiritchaser is a dramatic change from previous albums--some changes
work, others do not.  In particular, i'm sad to see the medieval/celtic
influences get buried.   Now that i've got that out of the way i can
say that the album is very enjoyable--quite accessible (perhaps too
much so), and turns Brendan's and Lisa's divergent musical styles into
a single synergistic one.  Perhaps this album is best viewed as the antithesis
of Lisa and Brendan's solo albums.  Whereas Lisa's solo is rarified, slow,
and smacks of "high-culture" this album is vibrant, full of rhythm, and
made for common folk.  Whereas Brendan's solo is rumored to be folksy and
filled with american dreaming this album is electronic, latin, and
showcases Brendan's non-English singing.  This is, however, indisputably a
Dead Can Dance album.  Lisa's soaring vocals are as impeccable as ever and
the music draws on sources from "other" times and places.

Now, to e's comments.

On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, einexile the meek wrote:

> It sucks. I really went into this with a good attitude.

now *that* was your problem.  :)  If ever i expect too much, i'm always
dissapointed.

> There are lots of very cosmopolitan african drums, and some of that
> multicultural yodeling we knew Brendan would eventually get around to.
...
> The only saving graces of this record are Lisa's vocals, which for the
> most part are back to normal (YES i did say NORMAL), and not a surprise
> (or even a pleasant reassurance) following her staggering work on The
> Mirror Pool...
...
> Nothing interesting happens with this stuff.

It seems that your position is that there are some nice elements but they
weren't used to full effect.  I think you're right.  That's why i'm
looking forward to see if they improve this sound on the next album.

> The whole album
> is awash in lame loops of birds chirping and charming

Now those bird sounds ARE cheesy, aren't they?  Are they stock
synthesizer sound effects or what?!?

> Dead Can Dance expose themselves finally as
> not a goth or worldcore act but as bad ambient somewhere between Enigma
> and Deep Forest.

Ooo, now that's a low blow.  Are you sure you're not just pre-empting a
"guilt by association" feeling by disowning DCD before the "Normals" adopt
them?  (yeah, me too  ;))

> Other than that, the album is goddam fuckin horrible. Even after Aion,
> which for the most part I cannot stand, Lisa's horrid work on Into the
> Labyrinth, and the fawning, stilted pretentiousness of Within the Toward,

Ahhh, maybe that's the difference.  Personally, I like those albums better
than Within the Realm ... and s/t.  Maybe it's a matter of perspective
that makes the difference between viewing Spiritchaser as "a respectable
album from a brilliant band" to "a 'goddam fuckin horrible' album from a
declining has-been band."

-cz

Within explanations of the name Dead Can Dance are trying to obscure their
origins as a "gothic" band.  Note the quote is from 1987.  I always
imagined it refered to the medieval concept of the Dance of Death like
the ending in Bergman's brilliant Seventh Seal.

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:59:36 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Ignore if you don't live in Houston


This is for jason and whoever else lives here.  Moran?  Lisa?  HK?

Where did you see the info about the Keislowski festival this summer?  I
haven't been able to find anything about it.  Are you sure it is at the MFA?
Maybe Rice instead?  ..or River Oaks?

Anyway, if you see anything--would you let me know?

thanks,

marvyn

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:21:27 -0500
From: John Nguyen Van (jvskip@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Felt

              the Sharkless Girl" at Jun 26, 96 05:43:56 pm

        On my copy of Crumbling/Splendour... , I think they messed
        up during tracks 7-8. "Red Indians" and "The World is as Soft
        as Lace" are both on the same track (7). Is this true of anyone
        else's copy?


Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:18:38 -0700 retained. retained. retained.
From: aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl (uthelene@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: search for shriekback, related but not listy


I'm seeking high and low for Shriekback's 1984 release "Jam Science".

Anyone willing to part with their copy or know where I can get copy?

I will be eternally grateful and willing to part with cash, I don't
have much to trade some theThe stuff, maybe some cranes, breeders
singles.  I might have some other things, I'll have to look through the
collection.

euthelene, who's looking, still looking

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:32:29 -0700
From: Stephen Rusk (srusk@UVIC.CA)
Subject: Seattle Cocteau setlist?


Does anyone remember the setlist for the Seattle show, or any other shows
near the Seattle date?

Stephen

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:33:47 GMT
From: "Mr. Rex Lloyd" (rexual@WORLDNET.ATT.NET) Hate it to post a non-4AD message, but... Does anybody out there know if Lynn Canfield, formerly of Area and The Moon Seven Times, has anything recent out or is working on any current projects???? Feel free to email direct. Thanx all. ~~~~~~~~ ~rexual~ ~~~~~~~~

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:54:43 -0500
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Ignore if you don't live in Houston


hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US wrote:
> Where did you see the info about the Keislowski festival this summer?  I
> haven't been able to find anything about it.  Are you sure it is at the MFA?
> Maybe Rice instead?  ..or River Oaks?

MFA.  Try http://mfah.org/PR/schedule.html for more info.

Gotta run,


hk
--
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:38:46 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: cowboy junkies


>right on.
>the other day i was walking home from work and some guy was cleaning out
>his car
>and playing 'cold tea blues' very loudly.  the song drifting in the air
>with the
>sky getting dark made me smile but the fact that this is the same guy i
>recently
>heard screaming awful obscenities at his girlfriendwifewhatever and then
>tearing
>out as she yelled "you bought me that car!" really annoyed me.  not that we
>junkie fans are immune to strife but...i'd like to think we try to turn our
>discontentment to more creative ends.  sc


Guess the guy just has a "Misguided Angel" hanging over him.

What do the Junkies have to do with this list, just curious.

Steve

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:29:18 -0500
From: Cedric Caspesyan (sentiment@ACCENT.NET)
Subject: Re: 4 x (A x D) = ? : The Re and The Mix


In the recording industry, before there is a "remix",
there is a "mix" (that is what I was talking about).

The first tape mix ever to exist is known to be "Williams mix"
by Mr. John Cage himself (in 1950 or 1951), though you
could call the "symphonie pour un homme seul" by Pierre
Schaffer and Pierre Henry a similar experience (1948) :
it was a mix of turntables and other stuff assembled in
one "mixed" recording. the "Mix" or "Remix" history follows
the history of the invention of the magnetic tape (possibilities of
editing).

(though today's opinion is changing on that subject : a mono
recording has now become an aesthetic choice of prestige
for any "mix". Don't we call the next rumoured vynil version
of the new HNIA album a "mix" of the cd version ?)

The 12" history is another one, as is the history of "sterophony".

Respect.

sentiment

sentiment@accent.net

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:10:42 -0500
From: Cedric Caspesyan (sentiment@ACCENT.NET)
Subject: It's Dead ! ...but you Can Dance to it !


> > The whole album
> > is awash in lame loops of birds chirping and charming
>
> Now those bird sounds ARE cheesy, aren't they? Are they stock
> synthesizer sound effects or what?!?


The cheezy part is what I find cool about this !

To listen next to an old Athur Lyman recording...


sentiment

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"Spiritchaser.... Oh Irony...."

Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:00:00 EST
From: Cameron Webb (CAMERONW@CIDM.WH.SU.EDU.AU)
Subject: Kelly Deal 500 (?)


I've only just joined the list so sorry if this has been discussed
earlier or my info is wrong.

In an interview with Mr Pollard from Guided by Voices, a mention was
made of Kelly Deal's new band/side project called Kelly Deal 500 (or
1000 or something).

Does anybody know if this is long term or if any material (EP maybe?) will be
released? I suppose it would be through 4AD.

Thanks,
Cameron
Cameronw@cidm.wh.su.edu.au