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Subject: Sakamoto and San Fran record stores
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:27:11 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Ryuichi Sakamoto - wings of honnemaise
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:42:26 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: color trilogy
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:45:37 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: yang t'chin musings
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 01:38:05 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Scala
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:12:49 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Finally: The Meaning Of "4AD" + A "4AD" Want List.
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:15:02 -0500
From: Cedric Caspesyan (sentiment@ACCENT.NET)
Subject: Peter Murphy? Peter Murphy?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:49:50 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: hnia in england this week
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:03:26 -0700
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: Peter Murphy? Peter Murphy?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:20:20 +-200
From: Umur Celikyay[SMTP:umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR]
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy? Peter Murphy?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:58:27 -0400
From: doob-fiend (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ryuichi Sakamoto - wings of honnemaise
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:08:31 +0000
From: Naoko Miyata (naoko-m@sip.interbroad.or.jp)
Subject: Re: doom generation
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:31:31 -0400
From: doob-fiend (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: ALBUQUERQUE/SANTA FE
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:52:37 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: Belly calls it quits?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:44:03 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Ghost In The Shell soundtrack
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:43:59 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: doom generation
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:01:23 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Cocteau site url
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:40:47 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: 4AD- 4 Analog..
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:54:23 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Euro96!
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:11:50 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Romeo is bleeding...
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:11:50 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Cocteau site url
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:33:15 -0400
From: doob-fiend (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: for those who went to the Cocteau show last night
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:34:30 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: other comps... like TMC and doom gen.
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:29:50 -0400
From: Kyle (ktp52952@PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU)
Subject: Shallow Grave
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:30:24 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: other comps... like TMC and doom gen.
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:04:54 -0400
From: doob-fiend (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:38:02 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:17:02 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: paisley pop
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:09:38 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: Euro96!
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:16:39 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:57:11 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:22:29 -0400
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: what was that Cocteau song...
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:22:21 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:47:34 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Faye Wong + Cocteau Twins
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:54:56 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau site url
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:48:23 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:44:22 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: meaning of 4AD
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:15:45 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy? Peter Murphy?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:43:04 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:59:14 -0600
From: PATINO MORELL MARCO A (dg084252@UDLAPVMS.PUE.UDLAP.MX)
Subject: Re: paisley pop
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:44:50 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: what was that Cocteau song...
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:08:52 -0700
From: Ara Kermanikian (araker@MICROSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:16:27 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard"Lament"
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:29:24 +0200
From: Matthias Walzner (umw17@RZSERV2.FH-LUENEBURG.DE)
Subject: Tortoise
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:19:00 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Subscribe
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:25:22 -0400
From: EyeRate@AOL.COM
Subject: that 4ad/dreampop sale/trade thing
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:04:16 -0400
From: The Boy In Zinc (Boyinzinc@AOL.COM)

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:27:11 -0400
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Sakamoto and San Fran record stores


Just had to throw my 2 cents in on Ryuichi Sakamoto:
Anyone and everyone on this list should pick up
one of his scores for the films:
"The Last Emperor" (won best score Oscar for that year)
"The Sheltering Sky" (a bit repetitive, but still good)
"Merry Xmas Mr. Lawrence" (good movie with David Bowie in it as well)
The first two films are directed by Bernardo Bertolucci
and _definitely_ worth a rent.

There are two versions of the last: full orchestra and solo piano.
I like the piano-only one, but alas, available only on import from
Japan I think....

Or just get the new "1996" LP that just came out..
different but nice versions of the best themes from these works
plus other stuff.

On another note:
I'm leaving NYC behind and moving to San Francisco
for a new job. Folks who live there or are very familiar with
the place: can you please recommend good record/music/guitar shops
to me? I know of  the few in the Haight, but what else
is there? I was there two weeks ago on my interview
and I found out Rough Trade moved to South of Market?

Thanks,
-Brendon

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                                    Brendon Macaraeg
               http://www.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~brendonm
    Finger macaragb@acf2.nyu.edu for my PGP Public Key

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:42:26 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Ryuichi Sakamoto - wings of honnemaise


my friend is looking for the soundtrack to the anime film, the wing of
honnemaise. sakmoto does the muzik. respond privitley please.

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:45:37 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: color trilogy


it's not tragic, though if you interchange blue and white. see them in the
right order and then watch them again in each possible way.

> Well, you do need to see them in order to "get" the ending in "red".
>
> marvyn
>

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 01:38:05 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: yang t'chin musings


My recent trip to Hong Kong paid off big. I was over there
in Shanghai and HK for a week officially to present some
results of my astronomical research, but unofficially I was really
there to pick up a Chinese hammer dulcimer, or a yang t'chin
(or yangqin) as they're called (aka. that thing Lisa Gerrard
plays with those little bamboo hammers). In Hong Kong I lucked out and found
a beauty for a little over $100. It's really wonderful and as
sson as you start fooling around with it, you almost can't help
but sound like Dead Can Dance. Of course, it'll take me a while
to sound like I know at all what I'm doing with it, and getting it
in tune will certainly help a lot. The problem is: how on earth
do you tune a yangqin?? Does anyone else here own one or have any clue?
I'll see what I can find out from some local music stores.

Here's where I got it:
Yuet Wah Music Arts and Crafts Co., Ltd.
143 Wai Yip St.
Kwun Tong
Kowloon
Hong Kong
or you can contact their head office at:
212 Des Voeux Rd.
Central
Hong Kong
tel. 2543-8109
They seemed to be able and willing to ship overseas, but this
would about double the price.

One thing's for sure, it's going to be great fun learning how
to play this thing!

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:12:49 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Scala


The second Scala 7" and the CD compilation of both were in the UK shops
yesterday - the compilation is called something different to the
singles ("Tears" / "Triptych" and "VDT" / ???), but my hayfever-addled
brain can't remember either the name of the EP or the second B-side -
both are called "Something and Something Else", but not the same
somethings.  Anyway, it's good stuff - four short (3-4 min) songs
ranging from VDT's Tricky-style nervy beats and paranoid mood to
Triptych's summery tunefulness.  Sarah's not quite in the Liz Fraser
league, but the vocals are pleasant enough.  John Frennett (Laika,
Moonshake) co-composed VDT and presumably played bass on it.  Sounds
like Seefeel with a more conventional song structure and without the
obsessive layering and depth.  The artwork is good, too.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 25/06/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:15:02 -0500
From: Cedric Caspesyan (sentiment@ACCENT.NET)
Subject: Finally: The Meaning Of "4AD" + A "4AD" Want List.


I' ve been reading to your posts without participating since
about... hmm... 2 years ? something like that (who cares)...

Nobody ever mentionned yet the very real meaning of those 3
little characters that we' ve been seing aligned together
for a while now, that "4AD" sign mystery never resolved...

"4AD" doesn't mean "Forward", "For Eddie", "For A Day",
"4 Anna Domino", "AD AD AD AD" (as "RRR4" = "3R4"),
"4 Letters From A To D", Whatever you hear...

As far as I know, "4AD" means "4 Analog (and/or) Digital tracks",
Like you can have 8AD, 16AD, 24AD...

The tape player Ivo is rumoured to have seen these letters on
could have just simply been a 4 tracks player/recorder.

In the beginning of the 80's (or end of 70's) people would
say "This is a 4 track recording (or mix)".
The arrival of Digital technology (even though unaffordable
at that time and very experimental) must explains that
way of putting these letters together (for a little while),
meaning that they, for example, "were 4 tracks, wrether they
be analog or digital, or converted analog to digital, or both".

At the less it means 4 tracks "converted from Analog to Digital".

If you have a small 4 track recorder, meaby you could even call
it "your portable 4AD" (especially if it is working with both
technology).

This sounds to me like the most obvious hypothesis on the
origin of the label's name, but I am ready for any flames.

Now.......

Next section..........

Well..... Your humble guest needs to complete his personal "4AD"
collection and....

...he thought that meaby some of his hosts could help him somehow
find the deared items that he is listing below...

To whatever this is worth, here he goes :

7"

THE FAST SET "Junction One" (axis 1)
BEARZ "She's My Girl" (axis 2)
SHOX "No Turning Back" (ad 4)
MASS "You And I" (+ insert) (ad 14)
MY CAPTAINS "History" (ad 102)
PAST SEVEN DAYS "Raindance" (ad 103)
GILBERT / LEWIS "Ends With The Sea" (ad 106)
HAPPY FAMILY "Puritans" (ad 204)
COLIN NEWMAN "We Means We Start" (ad 209)

12"

REMA REMA "Wheels In The Roses" (original 80 label version) (bad 5)
DANCE CHAPTER "Chapter 2" (bad 216)
IN CAMERA "Fin" (bad 205)
COLOURBOX "Breakdown 1" (bad 215)
RICHENEL "L' Esclave Endormi" (bad 601)
THROWING MUSES "Chains Changed" (bad 701)


LP vynil

MASS "Labour Of Love" (cad 107)
MATT JOHNSON "Burning Blue Soul" (1st version cover) (cad 113)
COMPILATION "Natures Mortes/Still Lives" (UK version) (cad 117)


CD SINGLE

M/A/R/R/S/S "Pump Up The Volume" (original 1987 cd) (bad 707 cd)


CD ALBUM

LUSH "Gala" (limited boxed cd) (cad d 0017)
PIXIES "Trompe Le Monde" (limited + bonus live cd) (cad d 1014)

CALENDAR

V23 1990 4ad CALENDAR (xad 0001)

OTHER STUFF :

One of the 100 copy of "Lonely Is An Eyesore" wood box
(kidding actually....just curious to see the price...)

Envelope 23 (pad 23 (or 25)) (set of posters, 1986)
Envelope 23 (Wad 23 (or 25)) (set of postcard, 1986 or 1992)
V23         (??) (set of posters, 1991)

It could go on....

Well...

If you ever find any of these, in very good or mint condition,
please keep this post and send me by private email the informations
and prices.

Anyway, anyhow, thank you, all of you,

respect,

Cedric Caspesyan : sentiment@accent.net


P.S.

I' ve got a "grey" copy of "Mercy Seat" by UVS :
Is the "green" copy the one the rarest ?

Does The Happy Family cd has the same cover as
the LP ? (I don't have the vynil of this...)

I have a version of "Natures Mortes/Still Lives" that
has the "WEA US/JAPAN" label on the center of the 12"
and at the bottom of the back cover, below the "4ad" catalog
number (CAD 117) : Does the u.k. copy has those (meaning it
is the same) or does it have that "own 1982ish" label (2
mens in fight) ?

Is there anybody else whom is geek and meek enough to buy
every 4ad issue and still loves them today (no offense...) ?









"Beware Of The Children Wielding Knives And Smiles"


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:49:50 +0400
From: Umur Celikyay (umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR)
Subject: Peter Murphy? Peter Murphy?


Okay guys,

1st things first: Thanks a millio, this is the only
decent list I`ve _ever_ subscribed to, I really enjoy
it.

Now comes my little trivia question... I was reading the
FAQ sheet and I realized that no one says anything
about Peter Murphy. Bauhaus split up (ages ago I guess) and
we know all about Daniel and the boys and Love and Rockets.
Does anyone know where Peter Murphy currently lives?

I have an answer, at least I think I have part of the answer...


Love,

Cy Celikyay


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:03:26 -0700
From: "A. Dean" (a.dean@UK22P.BULL.CO.UK)
Subject: hnia in england this week


hnia seem to be in england this week. i know they are playing on
radcliffe's show on wednesday(?) night and at the rough trade shop in
covent garden on saturday at noon(?) but does anybody know any other
details (a london gig on saturday night would be good!)?

ta

andy
--
a.dean@uk22p.bull.co.uk
potential h bomb...

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:20:20 +-200
From: Jason Curtis (curtisj@ICL.CO.ZA)
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy? Peter Murphy?


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Peter Murphy lives in TURKEY from what I understand - Michael Brook played on hi
 last album Cascade.....

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From: Umur Celikyay[SMTP:umur@BILKENT.EDU.TR]
Subject: Peter Murphy? Peter Murphy?


Okay guys,

1st things first: Thanks a millio, this is the only
decent list I`ve _ever_ subscribed to, I really enjoy
it.

Now comes my little trivia question... I was reading the
FAQ sheet and I realized that no one says anything
about Peter Murphy. Bauhaus split up (ages ago I guess) and
we know all about Daniel and the boys and Love and Rockets.
Does anyone know where Peter Murphy currently lives?

I have an answer, at least I think I have part of the answer...


Love,

Cy Celikyay


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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:58:27 -0400
From: doob-fiend (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy? Peter Murphy?


        Anyone see peter murphy on the mini-tour for
        cascade?  he played at a teensie widdle disco
        here in detroit, and POW! best show ever ever ever.

        so, now that this pet subject of mine has been
        brought up, i also have a few questions:


        1)anybody got a tape from any of the past 3 p.m. tours?

        2)anybody heard anything about beggars banquet issuing
          a remix of 'subway' done by sascha from KMFDM?

        3)what song(s) do/es michael brook play on cascade?
          (my cascade sleeve is at home)

        4)  anybody heard david j's urban urbane
           lp? is it worth getting?  how about daniel ash's last
           solo lp (after 'coming down)?


        shoulda posted this to the bauhaus list perhaps, but
        nobody participates on that one....

        muchas gracias
        dan k


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:08:31 +0000
From: Naoko Miyata (naoko-m@sip.interbroad.or.jp)
Subject: Re: Ryuichi Sakamoto - wings of honnemaise


I am Japanese and live in Japan, so I can get info if you want to.
please give me more info.

naoko

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:31:31 -0400
From: doob-fiend (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: doom generation


On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Brett Boyd wrote:
>
> However, unless you view this flick as a a truly extremetized charicature
> of 20-something stereotypes--and even then--it sucks.
>
> the film itself reinforces the insipid nihilism of our generation.
> Self-centered, self-loathing, self-absorbed, self-gratifying--ugh!
> Thus this movie really pisses me off,


        there's a line by ezra pound which goes something like:

            ...the age demanded an image/ of its accelerated grimmace...

        this is what i think doom generation is all about.
        holding up a playfully warped mirror in front of 20something
        nihilism with the twin purposes of showing this audience
        (20something nihilists suchas myself) what it thinks it
        wants to see in a movie, and then turning that depiction
        back on the viewer with a twist--as if to say

        'hey fucker, look at yourself. ha-ha.....sob....h-ha'



> the product is the same formulaic tripe or stereotipically
> divisive (excuse the spelling my editor sucks!) and reactionary white bread.

        i think your diatribe against the evils of doom generation
        would be better applied to 'natural born killers'.
        i havent seen the directors cut of nbk, but the theatre
        release seems guilty of the crimes you chage doom generation
        with.

        it is precicely the formulas (plot movement, character-types
        sexual aesthetic) used by movies like nbk and 'singles' or
        'reality bites' which are so devilishly and playfully
        subverted in doom generation.  i for one was constantly
        suprised by doom generation. novel, inventive, creative
        film overall. clever, but nowhere did i notice a
        confusion/conflict between what i was being shown, and what i was
        intended to think about those images.  nbk blurred this distinction
        _all the time_, and kindof made me ill in the process.

        pundits be damned! check it out.

        dan


        p.s. talk about yer nihilism:

> "Who is having to calm himself down with a hit of Nitrous, a drag of American
> Spirit, and a chaser of Jack Daniels."
>


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:52:37 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: ALBUQUERQUE/SANTA FE


Fellow Listies.

One more try (and I'll probably get flamed for it), but I'll be in
Albuquerque (and possibly Santa Fe) in a few days and really wanted to get
the names of some "listy" rekkid stows in the area.

Anybody. Please don't have me spend in an entire week in a city and not be
able to indulge my biggest vice.

Sorry to bother. Previous requests had been sandwiched within more relevant
list posts so they may have been missed. This is a last ditch effort.

Thanks (sorry).

Roy

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:44:03 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Belly calls it quits?


Well it looks like another 4AD and biting the dirt. There seems to be a
very irritating trend of 4AD bands calling it quits after a few albums ie
Pixies, Breeders, Belly?? (care to add to the list?)

Maybe this is due to the 'super creative' nature of each band members ie
everyone wants to do their own thing after a while....."due to creative
differences etc etc..."

It's either that or they switch record companies.......

Let's hope that these "rumours" remains as it is.








Arthur Chan
Campus Editor
ENTRoPY Magazine



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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:43:59 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Ghost In The Shell soundtrack


As for "Ghost In The Shell"; my girlfriend and I went to see it a couple of
>weeks ago at the Greenway Plaza in Houston (for those who live here).  Seeing
>anime on the big screen was pretty impressive; especially since this was the
>first.  GitS is a great flik.  I really like the music; the children's choir
>when the camera is panning thru the city comes to mind.  Did Kurosawa direct
>this?

Did you see the credits at the end? The music was credited to Brian Eno and
U2 amongst other musicians of repute. I thought the soundtrack was
excellent.
Is it avaliable, has anyone seen it in Towers shops etc?? I can't find it
here in australia. It should be distributed by Polygram but the Polygram
people here don't know what i'm talking about.

for more info go to www.hollywood.com and look up the "Ghost in the Shell" site.

ARTC









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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:01:23 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: doom generation


I want to add a little to the "Doom Generation" discussion - I seriously
DISLIKED this movie, for a variety of reasons, but not because it's what the
"entertainment industry" thinks of us.  The movie was directed by Greg Arraki
(also directed "The Living End" and "Totally Fucked Up").  Greg is, for all
intents and purposes, one of us (he's a Gen-X'er and obviously likes our
music).  What annoys me is that his movies are provacative, but only in a
forced way.  You would think there'd be a dearth of young "independant-type"
directors out there who could come up with something better.  A lot of what I
saw in The Doom Generation was stuff that was simply there for shock value.  It
reminded me of a really immature kid doing stupid things to get my attention.
I do think that Arraki deserves some credit for his earlier releases - I don't
think it's very easy to make non-mainstream films with "real" gay characters.

But I'm far less pissed off about the Doom Generation than all of the bad
mainstream movies that are aimed at us (Reality Bites is the most evil and
nefarious of them all).  It's as if they try to reduce an entire generation to
a set of "issues".  I'd rather see a well-written movie that wasn't so
obviously aimed at a "market share".  I think what bothers me most is how
movies aimed at us are getting increasingly and increasingly violent  - as if
Tarrantino-type films are the only thing anyone wants to watch.  NBK was
disgustingly bad and overwrought.  I can see Oliver Stone imagining himself
quite hip after releasing this monstrosity.  If the sountrack is any
indication, it was aimed at us.

Just a thought,

Barry

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:40:47 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Cocteau site url


Does anyone have the Cocteau numerical url handy?  the actual site name STILL
isn't working....

~blu

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:54:23 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: 4AD- 4 Analog..


Though it was a good effort, I hate to inform you that the tape player analog
story is not correct.  It is really much simpler than that.

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:11:50 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Euro96!


> so let me guess, u were tres happy when Germany sent Italy home to eat Pasta
>         yesterday, right?  :)  and with only 10 players for most of the second
>         half!  :)
> eh, too bad thatneither team will make to the final.  it will be Portugal
>         and either England or France.  :)  Go Figo!

No, Czechoslovakia creamed Portugal.  Besides which, seeing as how
the winner of that game went on to play France in the semifinals,
there is no way Portugal could have met France in the finals even if
they hadn't been beaten.

moran@hal-pc.org


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:11:50 +0000
From: Jason Wintz (moran@HAL-PC.ORG)
Subject: Re: Romeo is bleeding...


> Oh, and I left off "Seven" in my list of favorite movies!  The cinematography
> was amazing in this movie!  At first the out-of-focus grainy film irrated me
> (I thought the film was messed up) but then I realized the effect the diretor
> was going for and I realized how magnificient it was!  The blurry "too loud"
> traffic noise overpowering the voices; the Gustav Dore images from Dante's
> Inferno..

Of course, the man responsible for this is the same DP who shot
"Delicatessen" (and "City of Lost Children" as well?).  If you are
really interested in this look at American Cinematographer magazine
from about a year ago or whenever the movie came out.  I can't
remember for sure--it may have been the cover story, but they had an
in-depth article on the shooting of this movie.  Very interesting,
very informative--especially if you are into cinematography--but even
if you're not if you know a little about photography and ignore some
to the specific technical details you should be able to get something
out of it.

moran@hal-pc.org

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:33:15 -0400
From: doob-fiend (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau site url


On Tue, 25 Jun 1996 BluBelKnol@AOL.COM wrote:

> Does anyone have the Cocteau numerical url handy?  the actual site name STILL
> isn't working....
>


        205.147.5.69


        :)dan

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:34:30 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: for those who went to the Cocteau show last night


Hello all,

Great show last night at the Mayan. But at the risk of embarassing myself
and sacrificing my own integrity as a true Cocteau fan, what song was
that they played after Rilkean Heart?

Did anyone else find the ambient versions of Wax And Wane and Aloysius a
little too ambient?

matthew

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:29:50 -0400
From: Kyle (ktp52952@PEGASUS.CC.UCF.EDU)
Subject: other comps... like TMC and doom gen.


i'd like to find advice on what other (multi-4ad-band) COMPILATIONS (like
Doom Generation or even This Mortal Coil) are available and fairly easy to
find.  i'm sorta new to 4ad, and i'd like to increase my exposure to these
bands as much as possible, though without buying *SOOO* *MANY* cd's n
tapes. what 4ad (or along those lines, you know past and present and
soon to be deceased bands, and those that aren't 4ad but we like and talk
about on this list anyways) compilations are recommended and what should i
be hunting for?  (not necessarily ultra-rare ultra-expensive wooden box
type stuff, just things i might find if i knew what i was looking for)

thanks for your help!

 -regards
 -Kyle                          -"i've got to go"
 -ktp52952@Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu   -web stuff under construction. yeah.

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:30:24 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Shallow Grave


fouraydee ers:

A friend rented Shallow Grave and insisted I view it. Pretty twisted and
intense... macabre Scottish humor... Just curious what people thought
about it.



_Bri


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:04:54 -0400
From: doob-fiend (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: other comps... like TMC and doom gen.


On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Kyle wrote:

> i'd like to find advice on what other (multi-4ad-band) COMPILATIONS (like
> Doom Generation or even This Mortal Coil) are available and fairly easy to
> find.


        i just happen to be listening to a free 4ad sampler cassette
        right now called 'shaving the pavement'. i got it thru
        the mail from somebody who went to see lush/mojave3/scheer.
        the tapes were given out free at these shows. in canada,
        you get one free with purchase of any 4ad cd or tape.
        and recently i overheard noise on this list about getting
        a 'stp' tape free by calling 4ad and asking for one.

        ahem!....anyways, here's the tracklisting:

        side 1
        lush    ladykillers
        lush    tinkerbell
        mojave3 where is the love
        mojave3 mercy
        scheer  screaming
        scheer you said


        SIDE 2

        liquorice       team player
        lisa germano    small heads
        heidi berry     the devil
        his name is
        alive           ESP Summer
        tarnation       halfway to madness
        the amps        pacer


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:38:02 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave


absolutely brilliant...there are so many amazing, head fucking aspects to
that movie that its difficult to think of any one that stood out more than
others...

the ending was pretty damn clever, though.

anyone else?

rick


>fouraydee ers:
>
>A friend rented Shallow Grave and insisted I view it. Pretty twisted and
>intense... macabre Scottish humor... Just curious what people thought
>about it.
>
>
>
>_Bri
>
>

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:17:02 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave


Shallow Grave was great - a real surprise (I would never have rented it if I
hadn't seen cool trailers for it on other films).

>From what I understand, the folks responsible for Shallow Grave are bringing a
film to the USA called "Trainspotting" that has what looks to be a terrific
soundtrack (BritPop stuff) on EMI UK.  Do any listees know if the soundtrack
will come (or has come) stateside?  I have my doubts because a lot of the
artists don't share labels.

Barry


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:09:38 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: paisley pop


hi all. business has been rather slow lately so this seems like
a good time to go a little off topic with this question.
what is paisley pop ? you see, I was in grammar school during most
of the 80's so I have a lot of catching up to do. I'd like to know
which bands I can listen to that will give me an idea of this style.
is Rain Parade a paisley band ?
thanks to anyone who has the time and knowledge to enlighten me.
-naor-
too tired to come out with a good signature

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:16:39 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: Euro96!


On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Jason Wintz wrote:

> > so let me guess, u were tres happy when Germany sent Italy home to eat Pasta
> >         yesterday, right?  :)  and with only 10 players for most of the seco
d
> >         half!  :)
> > eh, too bad thatneither team will make to the final.  it will be Portugal
> >         and either England or France.  :)  Go Figo!
>
> No, Czechoslovakia creamed Portugal.  Besides which, seeing as how
> the winner of that game went on to play France in the semifinals,
> there is no way Portugal could have met France in the finals even if
> they hadn't been beaten.
>
> moran@hal-pc.org
>
fine; i will just keep my mouth shut from now on. :)  who would have guessed
        that Portugal woul dlose to Czech???  geeez...  anyhow...
i just can't wait til 1998!  World Cup in France!!!  will it be a 5th for
        Brazil, or will Italy or Germany try for their 4th?  :)

sweet and tender hooligan;

JHR

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:57:11 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave


Hey, is that the movie where the 3 roomates find a suitcase of money that their
new roommate died and left sitting under the bed?  Where the one roomate
freaks out and moves to the attic?


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:22:29 -0400
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave


>Do any listees know if the soundtrack
>will come (or has come) stateside?

It's coming out on Capitol. Exactly when, I don't know...can't wait to see
Trainspotting!

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:22:21 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: what was that Cocteau song...


> Great show last night at the Mayan. But at the risk of embarassing myself
> and sacrificing my own integrity as a true Cocteau fan, what song was
> that they played after Rilkean Heart?

I was there too, and it's too bad I didn't get to meet
any listies. I was a wimp and stayed sitting in the balcony
(I really should have my brain checked...). That was the jazzy one,
right? I am almost certain this was one of the Faye Wong tracks
from her CD (I'd give the title, but I can't read or type Cantonese!)
I've only heard it once, but I'll bet that's what it was.

There's an Elysium / Eight Page Story show coming up this
More info to follow...

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:47:34 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy

 from "doob-fiend" at Jun 25,
              96 7:58 am

BTW, I just remembered...the last I heard, Peter Murphy lives in
Turkey with his wife (who is a choreographer) and his children (two
of them I think).

Holly

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:54:56 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Faye Wong + Cocteau Twins


Having missed a week of 4ad-l mail, I have no idea if
this has been mentioned or not, but you may have heard
that there's a different version of Milk And Kisses
available in Hong Kong with Cantonese singer Faye Wong
appearing. Well, I was there last week, and can confirm
that this is 100% true. All the M&K CDs there have a
sticker on them saying something like "Features Faye Wong
on 'Serpentskirt'", and it really is a different version
from at least the US release. It's got a completely
different vocal track with Faye singing most of the vocals,
backed by Liz. Other than the sticker, it would probably be
hard to tell this version of the CD from any other. The
catalog number may be different so here it is: 7314 5323182 5.
Also, it may not even be available outside of Hong Kong, so
good luck searching for a copy. I was an idiot: I should have
brought back a load of CDs.

Speaking of Faye Wong, she collaborated with the Cocteaus
on HER new album. I heard it in the CD store when I was buying
my M&K. At first I didn't know who it was, but then I decided
'you know, I bet that's Faye Wong,' so I asked the guy at the
counter and he told me, 'it's this Cantonese singer you've
probably never heard of...' 'Faye Wong?,' I said, and he said
yes and seemed surprised! He pointed out where it was located
in the racks, and sure enough it had a sticker on the front
listing her name along with the Cocteau Twins. Two of the ten
songs were recorded with the Cocteaus, and the whole thing
is absolutely wonderful! All the songs are quite Cocteau
Twins-y overall, but somewhat more poppy, toward the Sundays
side of things with a bit of Sarah-indiepop added. I'm sure
anyone who likes the Cocteaus would like this album. Which brings
me to my second bout of idiocy: I only brought back two copies!
(They're already taken). What was I thinking? Maybe Dewdrops
can work out a deal with the label to add it to our mailorder
catalog... I'll certainly look into this, because otherwise
it's probably going to be impossible to find unless you have
friends in Hong Kong.

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| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:48:23 +0200
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Re: Cocteau site url


At 11:40 25/06/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone have the Cocteau numerical url handy?  the actual site name STILL
>isn't working....


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:44:22 EDT
From: "Holly A. Hopey" (bio4hah@CABELL.VCU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy

 from "doob-fiend" at Jun 25,
              96 7:58 am

Hello!

In reply to your 4th question about David J's album "Urban Urbane"...

It is worth getting; especially for the song "Candy on the Cross"
because Peter Murphy sings backup on that track.  The rest of the
album is rather quiet and the other tracks sound the same the first
few times.  But it is nice backround music.  Maybe you want to see if
you can find it used.  I've seen it several times for about $8.00

Holly
bio4hah@cabell.vcu.edu

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:15:45 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: meaning of 4AD


> Nobody ever mentionned yet the very real meaning of those 3
> little characters that we' ve been seing aligned together
> for a while now, that "4AD" sign mystery never resolved...

> "4AD" doesn't mean "Forward",

I can't believe this isn't in the FAQ.
(It is, isn't it?) I have posted about
this before (maybe it was before you joined the list).
To finally put this question to rest one more time, Ivo
himself told me the origin, and yes, it essentially does
mean "Forward". He and Vaughan or Nigel came up with a
series of lines that went like this:

1980Forward
1984Ward
   4 a d

This can be seen on the back of the Modern English 7"
Swans On Glass, which was, what AD 6 or something, the
second 4AD release proper (BAD 5 = Rema Rema, unless
my memory is completely shot). Ivo told me that this design
was an abridged version of what he/Vaughan/Nigel wrote
down, and that this is definitely where the name 4AD came from.

There is also a story that within the first few days
of 4AD being in business, the joke going around the office
what that they were only going to last "for a day". Now, this
may have had something to do with chosing a name, but the
"1980Forward" origin has been virtually etched in stone.
Remember it, tell your friends, put it in the FAQ.

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| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:43:04 -0500
From: Lebron (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy? Peter Murphy?


>
>
>        1)anybody got a tape from any of the past 3 p.m. tours?

        Not at all

       =20
>        2)anybody heard anything about beggars banquet issuing
>          a remix of 'subway' done by sascha from KMFDM?

        I think I saw something at Vinylink Records... but not very sure

>        3)what song(s) do/es michael brook play on cascade?
>          (my cascade sleeve is at home)
       =20
        Can=B4t be sure, the sleeve only reads 'Michael Brook     Infinite=
 Guitar'


>        muchas gracias

        De nada, y gracias por participar en la catapixia de las preguntas!
        Pepe

BTW, Who is the guy in the photo with Peter Murphy?
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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:59:14 -0600
From: PATINO MORELL MARCO A (dg084252@UDLAPVMS.PUE.UDLAP.MX)
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave


The name of the director of this movie is Danny Boyle.

The soundtrack of the second movie of this scottish director,
"Trainspotting", is quite good. This is the music list:

1. Lust for Life Iggy Pop
2. Deep Blue Day Brian Eno
3. Trainspotting Primal Scream (previously unreleased)
4. Atomic Sleeper (previously unreleased)
5. Temptation New Order
6. Nightclubbing Iggy Pop
7. Sing Blur
8. Perfect Day Lou Reed
9. Mile End Pulp (previously unreleased)
10.For What you dream of Bedrock feat. KYO
12.A Final Hit Leftfield (previously unreleased)
13.Born Slippy Underworld
14.Closet Romantic Damon Albarn (previously unreleased)


Marco

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:44:50 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: paisley pop


>what is paisley pop ? you see, I was in grammar school during most
>of the 80's so I have a lot of catching up to do. I'd like to know
>which bands I can listen to that will give me an idea of this style.
>is Rain Parade a paisley band ?

The "Paisley Underground" was the LA early-80s psychedelic revival scene.
Prominent bands were the Rain Parade (including David Roback who went on
to form Opal and Mazzy Star), the Dream Syndicate (incl. Kendra Smith,
later of Opal and now solo on 4AD) and the Three O'Clock. Of these the
Rain Parade are probably my favorite. The Dream Syndicate were a bit too
close to the VU, and the Three O'Clock (and many of the other bands in
the scene) were too syrupy-cute.

A good document of the whole scene is the compilation "Rainy Day" (1982)
which prefigures the This Mortal Coil concept by having people from lots
of bands get together and cover songs they like.

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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:08:52 -0700
From: Ara Kermanikian (araker@MICROSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: what was that Cocteau song...

          "jwgrote_cocteau@indiana.edu" 

A friend of Mine managed to snag the playlist and the song listed after
"Rilkean Heart" was called "GREEN". Some people around him mentioned
that the song will be on the next CT EP release slated for July 1, I
also noticed the name when someone was mentioning the Faye Wong release
on jwgrote.

I am on the hunt myself, it sounded incredible. ... the whole show did.

>----------
>
>> Great show last night at the Mayan. But at the risk of embarassing myself
>> and sacrificing my own integrity as a true Cocteau fan, what song was
>> that they played after Rilkean Heart?
>
>I was there too, and it's too bad I didn't get to meet
>any listies. I was a wimp and stayed sitting in the balcony
>(I really should have my brain checked...). That was the jazzy one,
>right? I am almost certain this was one of the Faye Wong tracks
>from her CD (I'd give the title, but I can't read or type Cantonese!)
>I've only heard it once, but I'll bet that's what it was.
>
>There's an Elysium / Eight Page Story show coming up this
>More info to follow...
>
>|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
>| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
>| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
>| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html
>

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:16:27 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Shallow Grave


one in the same...

>Hey, is that the movie where the 3 roomates find a suitcase of money that their
>new roommate died and left sitting under the bed?  Where the one roomate
>freaks out and moves to the attic?
>
>

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:29:24 +0200
From: Matthias Walzner (umw17@RZSERV2.FH-LUENEBURG.DE)
Subject: Lisa Gerrard"Lament"


HI all,

I did not expext so many replies about that song!

I mailed out the file to quite some people now, but one or two
email-addresses got lost...

Please let me know....Maybe someone can put it on a ftp-server, my
university only allows login with password, which I cannot submit to
all....

Matthias.
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umw17@rzserv2.fh-lueneburg.de


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:19:00 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Tortoise


OK so I'm a little late on this particular band wagon, but I just picked
up Tortoise's "Milliions now living..." and I cant stop playing it. They
manage to span a couple of different genre's without falling into the
cliche's on any. PLus the songs are really great too. Why didnt I catch
on to this sooner?! Anybody know if they have any other releases?


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:25:22 -0400
From: EyeRate@AOL.COM
Subject: Subscribe


How do I subscribe to the list?

Eyarate@aol.com


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:04:16 -0400
From: The Boy In Zinc (Boyinzinc@AOL.COM)
Subject: that 4ad/dreampop sale/trade thing


could someone please forward the original message to me?  i sort of missed
it...

thanks,

BiZ


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