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Subject: Re: 4AD/Dreampop Sale/Trade
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:24:57 +0000
From: Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV maintainer
Subject: color trilogy
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 01:31:43 -0400
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: color trilogy -Reply
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 07:19:32 -0400
From: "WILLIAM D. BARRY" (BARRYWD@GWSMTP.NU.COM)
Subject: Re: Krzysztof Kieslowski (sp?) -Reply
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 07:18:37 -0400
From: "WILLIAM D. BARRY" (BARRYWD@GWSMTP.NU.COM)
Subject: Re: Krzysztof Kieslowski (sp?) <- sp is OK
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 10:28:14 -0400
From: ulangilah (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Richard Ashcroft?
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 09:52:28 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:09:16 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: record stores in london
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 09:42:46 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Defever on cover of Detroit's METRO TIMES
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:28:37 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Krzysztof Kieslowski (sp?) <- sp is OK
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:38:52 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Romeo is bleeding...
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 20:25:54 +0200
From: Roland Ulbert (roland@ILLUMINATUS.OR.AT)
Subject: Cocteau Twins song ... whats the name of if?
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:38:28 -0700
From: wart (wart@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Harvesting Setanta
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 18:34:40 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: DCD Spiritchaser
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:13:22 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)

Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:24:57 +0000 ignored. ignored. ignored.
From: Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV maintainer
Subject: Re: 4AD/Dreampop Sale/Trade


> Hi All,
>
>   I have a bunch of stuff people on the list might enjoy.
> Throwing Muses ......  Counting Backwards (4trk Import) .............. $8*

    So...You have another one of these.  How about if I send you back
the domestic version you mistakenly sent to me and a quarter, and you
send me this instead?  Observe:

     $6       - I paid for the wrong CD
     $1.75  - addl. you promised to refund to me for returning it
    --------
     $7.75

    Which is $0.25 short of $8, your asking price.  Sounds fair to
me!  What do you think?


   -Mike

 PS - Is this one definitely the import?  with "Cottonmouth" on it?


Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 01:31:43 -0400
From: Susan Curran (susan@ACS.BU.EDU)
Subject: color trilogy


> I've never seen any of these films, but like so many others, have heard
> so much from the list.....
> just wondering if it's worth the $12.99 to buy, or if I should just rent
> them....
> either way, which order do they go in anyway???

well, $12.99 may be a relative bargain, but why would you buy a movie you've
never seen?! rent it for $2 first, then buy them if you like them. maybe i'm
just too rational.

i think the order is blue, white, red, but each movie stands on its own. you
don't relly need to see them "in order."


Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 07:19:32 -0400
From: "WILLIAM D. BARRY" (BARRYWD@GWSMTP.NU.COM)
Subject: color trilogy -Reply


red should be seen last....


>>> Susan Curran  06/23/96 01:31am >>>
> I've never seen any of these films, but like so many others, have heard
> so much from the list.....
> just wondering if it's worth the $12.99 to buy, or if I should just rent
> them....
> either way, which order do they go in anyway???

well, $12.99 may be a relative bargain, but why would you buy a movie you've
never seen?! rent it for $2 first, then buy them if you like them. maybe i'm
just too rational.

i think the order is blue, white, red, but each movie stands on its own. you
don't relly need to see them "in order."

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 07:18:37 -0400
From: "WILLIAM D. BARRY" (BARRYWD@GWSMTP.NU.COM)
Subject: Re: Krzysztof Kieslowski (sp?) -Reply


i would snatach them up,  but don't know if it is a bargain. i have seen
box set of all three films for sale in a PBS video catalogue for around $40...

bill barry

>>>  06/22/96 11:17pm >>>
In a message dated 96-06-22 10:01:08 EDT, you write:

<< These "director's showcase" kind of things have been making the
 rounds...especially the Kieslowski catalogue. I've seen much of his stuff.
 Of the trilogy I liked "White" enough to buy it...what a hoot! (I do like
 comedies and quasi-comedies, anyway, so that's probably why I'm partial to
 this one.)
 > >>
  I seen all 3 of these videos in the trilogy available for sale at borders for
$12.99....

and I've never seen any of these films, but like so many others, have heard so
much from the list.....

just wondering if it's worth the $12.99 to buy, or if I should just rent
them....

either way, which order do they go in anyway???
~blu


Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 10:28:14 -0400
From: ulangilah (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Krzysztof Kieslowski (sp?) <- sp is OK


>  I seen all 3 of these videos in the trilogy available for sale at borders
>for $12.99....
>
>and I've never seen any of these films, but like so many others, have heard
>so much from the list.....
>
>just wondering if it's worth the $12.99 to buy, or if I should just rent
>them....

Rent Blue first (the others won't make as much sense, especially Red, if you
haven't seen it first)

>either way, which order do they go in anyway???
>~blu

Blue, White, Red - like the colours of the French flag from left to right
(bleu, blanc, rouge).

Larry


Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 09:52:28 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Richard Ashcroft?


>the verve has reformed, without their guitarist(i don't remember his
>name).  i believe the group's name is sensation.  there's supposed to
>be some material coming out later this summer.  what it's going to
>sound like, i have no clue.

probably some britpop rubbish, considering that Nick (guitarist) was
the only one that kept them from sounding like that in the first place.
i heard he left because he wanted to go further into the experimental
side of verve whereas richard and simon wanted to do more "britpop"
sort of stuff. (sigh, why didn't they just leave verve alone and go do
a side project with CAST or something. it's too bad) curious as to what
Nick will do next, maybe he and benard butler will do a project
together :)

                    -robert.

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:09:16 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


the other real world release is with u srivinas. it is excellent.

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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 09:42:46 -0700
From: Robert Pietrusko (cantique@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: record stores in london


You wrote:
>
>hello, list people.

>what are the good/cool/neat/can't-miss music stores in london?  i'm
looking
>for 4ad & thislisty stuff, sarah/shinkansen, rare/obscure/europe-only
CDs, etc.
>
>any and all suggestions are  appreciated.  names and addresses would
be most
>helpful, and then i'll find 'em on a map.
>

hey, i just got back from london yesterday... i found a lot of good
stuff... aka. ICERINK records, early chapterhouse ep's, slowdive ep on
vinyl. some of the places special record sections for 4AD and Sarah,
though the only close to rare 4AD stuff i saw/found was Fazier Chorus,
lush-sear, lush-mad love. as far as shinkansen, the only real release
is Trembling Blue Stars- Her Handwriting... i highly recommend it,
definatly one of my favorites so far this year... oh yeah, addresses.

these were my favs.

sister ray
94 berwick street
soho     tel: 0171 287 8382

Rhythm Records
281 Camden high street
Camden

Select-a-disc
34 Berwick street
Soho  tel: 0171 734 3297

another good place which i don't have the address for was
called Out on the Floor. it's  on a side street off of Camden high
street almost right across from the Tube station. it has a pretty good
"indie" record selection down in the basement, well worth a check.
there is also a second hand record shop on Camden High street which was
pretty good, but the name escapes me. hope i have helpped, good luck!
have fun.

                        -robert.

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:28:37 -0400
From: BluBelKnol@AOL.COM
Subject: Defever on cover of Detroit's METRO TIMES


Just to let you all know, our beloved Warn~~~~makes the cover of Detroit's
METRO TIMES magazine (June 19th-25th, 1996 issue) albeit with friends Davin
and Kenny as Princess Dragon-Mom for a write-up on what has come to be known
as "noise" music...specifically the Detroit area bands.......  Time Stereo
records as well as Alleysweeper Records is mentioned......Fuxa, Windy & Carl,
PD-M, Mystic Moog Orchestra are also mentioned.

an excerpt from the article:

"I was playing in a band on a major label," says MOG {aka Kenny Greenbaum},
"and I had had it.  Then Davin an Warren played me some stuff that just made
me crawl out of my skin.  Something just sucked me into it.  Once it grabs
you, you're no longer happy with just songs and regular space."
MOG's PD-M cohort Defever agrees.
"I'm interested in the sound of the future," he says simply.


....


MOG leans forward in his chair, eyes shining and hands gesturing with
enthusiasm as he remembers one of his favorite Princess Dragon-Mom shows.
"We were playing this show (under the name Firetruck) in a club that had just
opened in the basement of the Majestic.  It was a small room, and to get into
it you had to go down a long set of really narrow stairs.  And people came in
and sat there, expecting (a conventional concert), and we were making pure,
pure noise"
"It was really small down there," Defever chimes in.  "There was nowhere (for
the audience) to go."
"We had them trapped!" continues MOG.  "We shut the lights off, and the
crickets were jumping, the bombs were exploding and we were playing."  To the
unsuspecting audience's extreme bewilderment and discomfort, apparently.
"People were screaming and trying to get out," Defever remembers
"Guys were getting stuck in the narrow doorway while they were trying to run
out of the room." MOG smiles. "It was a beautiful thing."

.........


"We recently got a call from the band Ministry," Defever says "They've been
playing our CD every night (to the crowd) before they go on stage.  I don't
think Ministry is very cool, and I don't think they're very good, but in
terms on national,or international, recognition, that's alot more than what a
lot of bands around here are getting."


The article goes into more details and even lists a selected discography, but
those are the only points where Warn quips in with a word or two.  The
article was written by Lisa Wexton and at the very end of the article it has
this editor's note:

Lisa Wexton is a Metro Times' listings editor.  She's not allowed to play
noise at her desk anymore.



hmmmpf.




**********GO OUT AND GRAB SOME NOISE********
~blu

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:38:52 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Krzysztof Kieslowski (sp?) <- sp is OK


On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, ulangilah wrote:

> >  I seen all 3 of these videos in the trilogy available for sale at borders
> >for $12.99....

the videos are on sale for the month of june on a "new-to-view" sale.

> >just wondering if it's worth the $12.99 to buy, or if I should just rent
> >them....

buy them, buy them, buy them... krzysztof kieslowski is the finest polish
director in the last twenty years. i review kieslowski on my web page. in
short kieslowski has such an unusual and beautiful cinematic eye. check
out zbignew pasek's page totally dedicated to kieslowski.

> Rent Blue first (the others won't make as much sense, especially Red, if you
> haven't seen it first)

what? you don't have to see blue first, but it is the best of the trilogy
(imho). it's very slow moving, so those addicted to q. tarantino might
like the flow, but to hell with ya tarantino fans (i'm askin for the
flames). i suggest that you rent them first. the movies aren't for
everyone, but for people like me, kieslowski was their favorite director.
i suggest to get the best initial kieslowski viewing and impression,
please see the Double Life of Veronique.

 >either way, which order do they go in anyway???
> >~blu
>
> Blue, White, Red - like the colours of the French flag from left to right
> (bleu, blanc, rouge).

the themes of the french flag and the themes of the colour trilogy...
liberty, equality, fraternity
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 20:25:54 +0200
From: Roland Ulbert (roland@ILLUMINATUS.OR.AT)
Subject: Re: Romeo is bleeding...

              96 04:33:35 pm

> On a slightly related musical note:
>   Anyone have the AKIRA soundtrack by the Geinoh Yamashirogumi? It's
Yes, I own it. It's really quite nice...
> incredible...but it would be nice to find some of their other stuff. Anyone kn
w
> if it's available...?
I've had no success in locating anything else..but according to the booklet
they've released 10 records till 1986, so there should be even more today.
Funnily enough, there even is a 4AD connection: Their first project (according
to the booklet) in the 60ies was "an adaption of the Bulgarian Voices Chorals,
which [the chorals] became famous in Europe 20 years later"
Who knows, maybe this is a reference to 4AD's "Le Mystere des Voix Bulgares" ;)
Anyway, this would be something I would be very interested in - but I don't
think there is any chance to get a hold of it..if anyone has more information
about this, please lt me know...

++roland

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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 13:38:28 -0700
From: wart (wart@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Twins song ... whats the name of if?


Hello

At last nights show Liz came back after the encore and sung a beautiful
song?  I am trying to find it in my collection, but it looks like I dont
have it.  Does anyone who went last night remember?

tia

-wart-


Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 18:34:40 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Harvesting Setanta


One of the Setanta label's newer signings, The Harvest Misisters,
is doing a smattering of shows in Boston and NYC this week.  Here
are the rest of the tour dates...

Monday, June 24         SIN E in NYC

Tuesday, July 16        UNDER ACME in NYC during Macintosh Festval's
                        Bar/None Records Night (Setanta are handled
                        via Bar/None in the US)

Sunday, July 21         NORTH STATION Music Festival in Boston

The bands album on Setanta, "A Feeling Mission" (AHAON-060) is a
fine collection and well worth your consideration.  If you are
in the Boston/NYC areas, check them out!

Another fine Setanta band is R.O.C., whose "R.O.C." album (AHAON-071)
is still on high rotation on my home stereo.  For more info on
Setanta bands, e mail the label's US office via setantaus@aol.com or
write the label...

                        Setanta
                        P.O. Box 2045
                        Hoboken, NJ
                        07030

posted by
Jeff Keibel,
Toronto, ON
CANADA


Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:13:22 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: DCD Spiritchaser


I saw the new DCD cd in a record shop today and I must say that the design
didn't really impressed me a whole lot. I must also add that the quality of
Australian reproduction is as usual crappy and thus did not help the
overall appearence of the cover.
I thought the typography was preety ordinary, the blue color background was
ok but there wasn't much into it at all.  It sort of lacked the clever
imagery that I'd expect from VO. did he design it?
Anybody else feel the same??
I was however inpressed with Lush's 7inch Ladykiller single (Trasparent
Green). Is there more than one version of the 7" being released? Or is
there another 7" with other B side songs added?

Later
ARTC









Arthur Chan
Campus Editor
ENTRoPY Magazine



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