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Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:54:27 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 07:16:19 +-200
From: dan k.[SMTP:owilde@UMICH.EDU]
Subject: Re: Exclusively 4AD? (was: nearly god, nearly here)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:50:55 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:43:22 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@cc.wwu.edu)
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:39:24 +1000
From: Derby Chang (derbyc@TPLRD.TPL.OZ.AU)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 07:27:42 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 07:49:20 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: nme web goods
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:38:36 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: breeders update
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:27:01 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: We Invite you....
Date: 18 Jun 1996 21:32:08 EST
From: director@djsa.com
Subject: Re: What I am listening to
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:06:39 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:57:10 ES
From: Marc Jones (Marc_Jones@DISCOVERY.COM)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:29:43 -0500
From: Scott David Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: a public service announcement re: CRADLE
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:06:58 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:51:00 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: time stereo/web goods
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:35:05 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:30:54 -0500
From: Scott David Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 01:26:21 +0930
From: Tim Koch (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: infinite guitars
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:07:52 ES
From: Marc Jones (Marc_Jones@DISCOVERY.COM)
Subject: Re: curve = echobelly guy?
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:30:21 +0930
From: Tim Koch (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: curve recommendation (belated)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:25:47 -0500
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: Brasilia=Cabaret Voltaire & Sylvia Plath
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:50:41 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:06:41 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:45:56 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:21:59 -0600
From: Taylor Baumgartner (lee@CHE.CHE.TULANE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:00:27 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:05:18 +-200
From: Scott David Anderson[SMTP:humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM]
Subject: Richard Ashcroft?
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:25:46 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: DCD bootleg
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:51:58 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: DCD in ATL
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:21:31 ES
From: Marc Jones (Marc_Jones@DISCOVERY.COM)
Subject: Re: cindytalk tour-mpls query
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:13:14 -0700
From: Ryan (ryan@LEONARDO.NET)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:15:41 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:22:09 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:16:54 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:23:19 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: dcd first album wanted
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:18:05 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:16:00 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: m. brook + i. remotely
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:23:14 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:37:27 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:48:58 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Richard Ashcroft?
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:50:40 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: 4AD release dates?
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:40:23 -0500
From: "John, Jacci, & Madison" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: Re: 4AD "after death"? and Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:20:10 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:03:52 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: not remotely 4AD-ish/Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:36:59 -0400
From: ulangilah (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Delay Tambor: (seefeel, autechre, scanner, etc.)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:09:42 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: m. brook + i. remotely
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:38:03 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: 4AD "after death"? and Michael Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:04:18 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Release Dates
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:23:23 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: New Faith & Disease CD
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:33:08 -0700
From: Mary Fong (mmnn@HOOKED.NET)
Subject: Re: DCD bootleg
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:31:47 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: On Tour! PBS Show
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:49:19 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: 4AD/Dreampop Sale/Trade
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:46:34 -0700
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:54:27 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins


At 00:54 6/19/96 +0000, you wrote:
>To anyone who's (luck enough to be) going to the Cocteau's gig in the US
>and planning to meet the band or just the off chance that you meet them
>etc.
>
>Pls. ask them how thay got hooked up with Faye Wong do to a song in their
>laters album. I'm just hell curious.

Well, if you had asked before you might have had a better chance to get this
info...I would have asked them in Atlanta when I met them...but hey, the
tour is half over. Maybe with luck you'll get your wish anyway. (If not, ask
them in "fan forum" on their website, which Robin & Simon check often.)

And speaking of tours, are there no Dead Can Dance fans on this 4 AD list?
I'm still awaiting info on whether they are coming to Atlanta and/or Miami
in August? Please if anyone knows, please e-mail me directly or post to this
list! I would really appreciate it. Really.

Thanks,

Carol Coney
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 07:16:19 +-200
From: Jason Curtis (curtisj@ICL.CO.ZA)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


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From: dan k.[SMTP:owilde@UMICH.EDU]
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Jason Curtis wrote:

> Michael Brook is also responsible for the design and concept of the =
> Infinite Guitar - which is the one he plays and which gives all those =
> great sonic twists.
> The Edge (U2) has been playing his guitars for years....



        infinite guitar meaning that the pickup(s)
        will sustain the last note(s) played infinitely
        until the power turns off or another chord is
        struck?


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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:50:55 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Exclusively 4AD? (was: nearly god, nearly here)


On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, cz wrote:

>         I agree that there should be an attempt to stay on-topic but i suppose
> each person's idea of "on-topic" tends to vary.  I don't think exotic animals

"Each person's idea" shouldn't be an issue -- what matters is the topic as
defined by the charter or list FAQ list or whatever.  (Though I'd prefer
to have this list a bit more ... "rigid" ... than the FAQ definition)

Mike


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:43:22 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@cc.wwu.edu)
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?


On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:

I'm not sure if "how on/off-topic is ____?" is on- or off-topic on this
particular list...

> Heffalump, n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU wrote:
> >With all due respect, I've always thought it should be a mailing list for
> >discussion about 4AD artists and bands specifically... [see the list name,

> No, things like that will happen no matter how rigid you make the list
> topic! I've seen the most narrowly-defined lists veer waaay off topic.
> It's just human nature.

I've been on lists before -- and one in particular now -- that's *very*
on-topic.  Things do go off topic once in a while, but when that happens
the list maintainer and a few members will speak up about it, and people
will pull themselves back under control relatively quickly.

> Rigidly single-topic lists get boring. I've been on many single-band

...but isn't it *the* point of a mailing list to be literally on-topic?  I
mean, that's the whole reason, isn't it?  People want to discuss a
particular, defined topic rather than wade through the miscellaneous and
unsorted messages that fly through a place like alt.music.alternative or
what have you... they join a mailing list.

> lists (the Innocence Mission and the Cocteau Twins most recently) and the
> discussion just gets stale. I unsubbed from the CT list after the zillion

But this isn't a single artist list.  There's no lack of subjects to
email around about even if we stay completely on-topic here.  4AD covers
*a lot*.  If you include past 4AD artists and 4AD artist side-projects,
there's no end to the on-topic discussions we could have.

> 4AD's releases are starting to diverge pretty widely and it's harder than

Exactly.

> My current hypothesis is that it's the _people_ on a list, more than the
> topic, that make it interesting/valuable -- although you do need to have

My opinion is the direct opposite.  I've got plenty of friends I send
email to... sometimes people who are on the same lists as I.  We enjoy
each others' [email] company where appropriate, and keep the list to list
issues.  I see what you're saying, but... well, the only thing I know
about the other people on this list is that they signed on to discuss 4AD
and related subjects.  I can be 100% sure that 100% of the folks on the
list are OK [or claim to be OK] with receiving email about His Name is
Alive, but I can't be sure that they'll want to read about Noise Camp.

> with real life -- I choose my friends for their winning personalities
> more than for their musical tastes. I was on the ambient list for a while

Yeah, but I didn't sign up to make friends, necessarily.  I signed up to
talk about music.  I have met nice people here, certainly, but there are
plenty of other folks subscribed that I enjoy discussing list-stuff with,
who I wouldn't call "friends".

> That being said, I'd be very interested in taking the non-4AD content of
> this list and forking it into a new mailing list. (I just can't offer any

That's what I was hoping to do with discussion of the more ... esoteric
sides of Warren Defever's work, but it doesn't seem to have happened yet.

Mike

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:39:24 +1000
From: Derby Chang (derbyc@TPLRD.TPL.OZ.AU)
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?

              <199606190401.AAA67340@atlanta.american.edu>

> Tricky -> samples David Sylvian, a very this-listy performer who
> used sleeve
> design by v23, recorded with Michael Brook, and was offered a This
> Mortal Coil
> guest spot.
> This Mortal Coil's 'Blood' also has a few pre-"trip-hop" dub dance tracks -
> "Loose Joints" being one that would fit very nicely next to a Tricky track.


What about...


Tricky -> recorded a few tracks, and produced a few others, with Whale
       -> ...who covered Prince's Darling Nikki (b-side to "Pay For Me")
       -> ...who wrote "Rasberry Beret"
       -> ...covered by Warren Zevon and Michael Stipe,
       -> ...Michael Stipe duets with Kirsten Hersh on "Your Ghost",
       -> ...Kirsten Hersh is on 4AD

or

Tricky -> samples the same Issac Hayes sample as Portishead
       -> ...whose "Sour Times" appears briefly on the soundtrack
          of a Central Park West episode (the one where the gallery
          owner dumps the sugar daddy she was having an affair with)
       -> ... CPW is on the opposite side of Central Park to the
          Dakota building
       -> ...where Yoko Ono lives
       -> ...who was married to John Lennon
       -> ...who wrote "Happiness is a Warm Gun"
       -> ...which is covered by the Breeders
       -> ...who are (were) on 4AD.

Derby


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 07:27:42 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to


On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Steven Venn wrote:

> Aphex Twin & Phillip Glass Ensemble - Donkey Rhubarb


        is this new? what's it like?


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 07:49:20 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins


On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, C.K. Coney wrote:

> And speaking of tours, are there no Dead Can Dance fans on this 4 AD list?
> I'm still awaiting info on whether they are coming to Atlanta and/or Miami
> in August? Please if anyone knows, please e-mail me directly or post to this
> list! I would really appreciate it. Really.
>


        im a rabid dcd fan. here's the dates from their site.
        looks like youre gonna have to drive for a while.
        but they _did_ do atlanta last tour, and skipped
        lots of the midwest... well, here they are:


                      july 10 philadelphia keswick theatre
                      july 11 wash dc warner theatre
                      july 13-14 montreal maisonneuve theatre
                      july 17 nyc city centre
                      july 19 boston harborlights festival
                      july 21 ann arbor michigan theatre
                      july 22 cleveland lakewood civic theatre
                      july 24 chicago riviera
                      july 25 minneapolis orpheum
                      ...?
                      july 30 santa fe paolo soleri amphitheatre
                      aug 1 boulder theatre
                      aug 2 salt lake city kingsbuy theatre
                      aug 5 seattle paramount
                      aug 6 portland paramount (does pdx have a
                            paramount?-joe)
                      aug 7 vancouver bc orpheum
                      aug 9 berkeley greek theatre
                      aug 10 los angeles universal amphitheatre
                      aug 11 san diego humphrey
                      aug 14 dallas majestic theatre
                      aug 15 houston cullen aud

                      then...
                      aug 21 sao paulo bra olympia
                      aug 22 rio de janeiro bra morra da urca
                      aug 25 buenos aires agr rock club
                      aug 29-30


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:38:36 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: nme web goods


i just pulled this off from http://www.nme.uk.co/

kinda makes me ill.

 COCTEAU TWINS will play the opening night of Lollapalooza after a
     surprisepersonal request from headlininers METALLICA, who claim to
     be ardent fans. TheCocteaus also headline the NME Stage at T In The
     Park on July 14, as wellas releasing a new single 'Violaine' on July
     1. The release features two newtracks, 'Tranquil Eye' and
     'Alice',featured in the latest Bernardo Bertoluccifilm, Stealing Beauty.

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:27:01 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: breeders update


culled from www.nme.uk.co...


     breeders breeders

     THE BREEDERS' 'will-they-won't-they-get -together-again' saga
     continued this weekwith news that Kim Deal has cancelled a series of
                                                 News - BREEDERS (s2 of 6)
     Amps dates, including Irishsupport slots with the Sex Pistols, to
     concentrate on working with her originaloutfit. In NME last week,
     her sister Kelley Deal said there was noguarantee The Breeders would
     work together again and that nobody would "give ashit" if they never
     again put out anything new. The Amps and Breeders' recordlabel, 4AD,
     said the The Breeders situation was "up in the air".

     "We don't really know what is going on, but Kelley's comments last
     week may havebeen simple conjecture. A Breeders album could possibly
     come out without Kelley.It does not need Kelley to make it a
     Breeders album. It's unfortunate that gigshave been cancelled
     because they are all very high-profile dates, but that's theway it
     goes." The cancelled Amps dates are T In The Park (July 14),
     Belfast,supporting the Pistols (17), Dublin Point, supporting the
     Pistols (18), DublinMean Fiddler (19), Phoenix Festival (20) and
     London Highbury Garage


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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:06:39 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: What I am listening to


Well, I joined this list to talk about what life was like 4 years after the
death of Christ.  Its sure been a disappointing 3 years.  I'm so mad I may
unsubscribe in the next year or two!

marvyn

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:57:10 ES
From: Marc Jones (Marc_Jones@DISCOVERY.COM)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


Sleeps with the Fishes, while an import to the US, is still fairly easy to
get.
Tower has been known to order it from time to time.  And if you live in
Atlanta,
I know of two places in L5P that tend to keep it in stock.

Marc


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:29:43 -0500
From: Scott David Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


>On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Jason Curtis wrote:
>
>> Michael Brook is also responsible for the design and concept of the =
>> Infinite Guitar - which is the one he plays and which gives all those =
>> great sonic twists.
>> The Edge (U2) has been playing his guitars for years....
>
>
>
>        infinite guitar meaning that the pickup(s)
>        will sustain the last note(s) played infinitely
>        until the power turns off or another chord is
>        struck?

the infinite guitar is like taking an e-bow(an electronic bow that makes a
string vibrate indefinitely) and building it into your guitar, but with one
for each string.  he also co-wrote and played on the soundtrack for the
movie "captive" with the edge(including the first apperance of sinead
o'connor).  it is a cool, ambient sort of record w/only one vocal
track(sinead).  the movie itself is kind of odd, kind of cool(rich girl is
kidnapped by political terrorists and converted).  the last interview i saw
said that brook and the edge are the only owners of the infinite guitar(the
edge's being a gift from brook).  wish i had one...:^(  i'll just have to
settle for my e-bow

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
scott anderson                               big monster fish hook



                 humgiant@user1.channel1.com
                      sanderson@sbra.com
           http://www.channel1.com/users/humgiant
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:06:58 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: a public service announcement re: CRADLE


(this is cross-posted to MBV-L for the benefit of as large an audience as
possible)

Hiya! :)

as long as we're off-topic (as usual):

CRADLE - BABA YAGA (Ultimate UK; ULTCD 042)
the latest project from Terry (House of Love/Levitation) Bickers.

Where is it that this album goes so wrong? Maybe it's because there are 10
(unofficial) Commandments of Ethereal/Shoegaze/Snorepop Music, and Cradle
don't appear to be familiar with any of them.

I. Thou shant let your female vocalist suggest nightmarish visions of
Jefferson Starship and the Banshees.
 Ia. if you do, don't make her vocals so upfront in the recording.

II. When thou changest chords, approach thine changes with some degree of
reason and (/or) logic - and try more than two chords.

III. Thou shall not stretch the flimsiest ideas into 5-8 minute songs,
especially when there's barely enough there for a minute-long interlude.

IV. Thou shall keep thine vocalist in the background if she sounds likes
Eliza Doolittle's (pre-Henry Higgins) less eloquent younger cousin
 IVa. any vocalist that had to be dug out of a grave isn't worth the trouble.
 IVb. if you still insist on letting someone like Caroline Tree sing, invest
in a vocal lesson or two.

V. If thou art trying to rip off Slowdive ("Home"), use FX pedals. They cost
money, but they give some needed texture and interest to even the blandest
strum... strum... strumming.

VI. NEVER name a song "The Clangers & The Moomins" unless you want to be
laughed at.

VII. Songs generally need three things: beginnings, middles, and endings.
It's not wise to record 11 songs which lack even ONE of these essential
parts.

VIII. If thine guitarist is skilled and talented, don't give him Mel Bay
that he can wield a mean axe... why waste him on chords and (negligible)
riffs that would embarrass the Ramones?

IX. 16:09 ("Chloe's Room") is an awful long time to play withst thineself -
let alone to make people listen as you wank away. Unless all the members of
your band are utterly tone-deaf, there's no explanation for how this
tuneless/aimless/pointless excuse for music escaped from the studio.
 IXa. ambient music requires AMBIENCE - not ambivalence and not
ambiguousness.

X. If thou shall choose to ignore rules 1-9, PLEASE don't release your album.

Hope I've saved someone the trouble of bothering with this fillet-of-shit.
Does anyone disagree? Maybe I'm just missing something here...

GuerillaG

XI. thou shalt immediately confine this wretched cd to the used/worthless
pile

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:51:00 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


>Here's a trivia tidbit for you Michael Brook fans
>(and I live in Toronto and I remember):
>
>Michael Brook used to be a member of the
>Toronto new wave band Martha and the Muffins
>Ironically Michael is at the peak of his career
>whereas Mark Gane and Martha Stewart
>who later became M+M, are doing nothing.

Brook didn't play on any M+M album! And I suppose you mean Martha Johnson,
not Martha Stewart. I've dug out all my old M+M LP's and singles and I can't
find Brook's name anywhere!
The line-up on the first two LPs, 'Metro Music' (1980) and 'Trance & Dance'
(1980) is: Carl Finke, Mark Gane, Tim Gane, Andy Haas, Martha Johnson,
Martha Ladly.
And on the (still brilliant) 3rd LP, 'This Is The Ice Age' (1981), Carl
Finke and Martha Ladly are replaced by Jocelyne and Daniel Lanois. THE
Daniel Lanois. He also did the production (or 'produktion', as Peter Saville
spelled it in those days).

Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:35:05 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: time stereo/web goods


my warren influenced rethinking of the beach boys found
me surfing the net for more info on pet sounds sessions.
came up with this strange commentary by brian wilson
published in melody maker in 1966.  synchronicity?


  October 8, 1966

   This is an interview (of sorts) with Brian Wilson printed in Melody
   Maker on October 8, 1966.

     _________________________________________________________________

   ALBUM
   Our next album will be better than "Pet Sounds". It will be as much an
   improvement over "Sounds" as that was over "Summer Days".
     _________________________________________________________________

   RECORDING STUDIO
   My recording studio has become a castle, with a wing for everyone.
     _________________________________________________________________

   TIME

   Time is fine when it's in cadence.
     _________________________________________________________________

   STEREO
   I can't enjoy stereo much, I'm deaf in one ear.
     _________________________________________________________________

   EAR
   The right one.
     _________________________________________________________________

   DRUGS
   An underground train.
     _________________________________________________________________

   PATRIOTISM
   Beer and brass bands.
   _________________________________________________________________

   LYRICS
   Let's make them all free-form, so we don't get hung up on making
   rhymes.
     _________________________________________________________________

   DRUG SONGS
   There are myriad of drug songs on the pop music market today. I don't
   know which they are.
     _________________________________________________________________

   MIRROR
   Have you tried the mirror technique of subconsciousness? I'm reading a
   book about it - I'm fascinated by the mind and hypnosis and things

     _________________________________________________________________

   CAR
   One day everyone will sit up in his car and fall out to the groovy
   sounds of cartridge tapes. Do I sound like a commercial?
     _________________________________________________________________


        etc....  so much for heffalump


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:30:54 -0500
From: Scott David Anderson (humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to


>Well, I joined this list to talk about what life was like 4 years after the
>death of Christ.  Its sure been a disappointing 3 years.  I'm so mad I may
>unsubscribe in the next year or two!
>
>marvyn


i believe in the year 4 A.D. Christ would have been 4 and a long way from
being dead.  you've got 30 or so years to go...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
scott anderson                               big monster fish hook



                 humgiant@user1.channel1.com
                      sanderson@sbra.com
           http://www.channel1.com/users/humgiant
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 01:26:21 +0930
From: Tim Koch (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...

u>

On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, dan k. wrote:

> > >I'm curious about what other listies play in regular roation on
> > >their stereos that isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
> > >
> > >Jeff Keibel,
> > >Toronto, ON
> > >CANADA
>

 A-HA - Hunting High And Low
 Bailterspace - Vortura
 PiL - Metal Box
 Weather Report - Night Passage



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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:07:52 ES
From: Marc Jones (Marc_Jones@DISCOVERY.COM)
Subject: infinite guitars


I had heard that there were three.  Brook's, Edge's, and some guy from the Far
East.
I think he was associated with Peter Gabriel, but I'm not sure on this.

M

Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:30:21 +0930
From: Tim Koch (kymtosh@STUDENT.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: curve = echobelly guy?


On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Roy Burns wrote:

> >>btw. is curve's guitarist in _echobelly_.. thought i saw the guy in MTV
> yesterday....<<
>
> Yes, but she is not a guy.
>

 Sort of off the topic , but did Curve have , at one stage , some
 really young dude who played guitar ?? I can remember reading something
 and seeing a kid who looked like 13 - 14 yrs old playing guitar in one
 of their filmclips ...

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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:25:47 -0500
From: Darryl Stephen Roy (dsroy@OWLNET.RICE.EDU)
Subject: curve recommendation (belated)


Just as a pointer, fans of Curve shoule give a listen to Freaky Chakra's
"Lowdown Motivator", which features Toni's vocals on the rather Curve-y
"Budded on Earth to Bloom in Heaven".  The remainder of the album is
outstanding westcoast trance techno, with good track sequencing, and
engaging from beginning to end.

d s roy

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:50:41 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: Brasilia=Cabaret Voltaire & Sylvia Plath


Howdy All;

i hope to find someone who can clue me in about what was the inspiration
        for Cabaret Voltaire to come up with the song "Brasilia."
just in case we have an expert on Sylvia Plath, there is also a poem by
        her with the same title.  anyone knows what prompted Sylvia and
        the guys from CV to name their work after the so called "City of
        The Future"?  has any of them ever been to Brasilia, or Brazil?
thanx for any help, and please, mail me privately.  i don't think most
        people will find the subject "thislist." :p

J.Henrique.R.


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:06:41 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


Steven Venn:
>Ironically Michael is at the peak of his career
>whereas Mark Gane and Martha Stewart
>who later became M+M, are doing nothing.

Mark Gane is now in Stereolab, and Martha Stewart is everyone's favorite
interior decorator with her own magazine and TV show.

[Insert smileys as appropriate]

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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:45:56 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook



That's what a sticker said on my copy of Cobalt Blue,
I could be wrong on that. But that's what it said.

Steve

***********************************************************
You wanna see me? Know about me?
Look on this web page under Stevenn:

Atelier Design Communications
Steven Venn, b.f.a. - Graphic Designer
139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1

(905) 884-2601

"Listen pal, you can't just waltz in here, use my toaster
 and spout universal truths without qualification!"
                                                    -Jude from Hal Hartley's
                                                     "Surviving Desire"

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:21:59 -0600
From: Taylor Baumgartner (lee@CHE.CHE.TULANE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano


>>any lisa germano fans here
>
>>just got the re release of happiness
>>beautiful
>
>>does anyone have more info on her?
>
>I'm a new fan.  I just got her 4AD version of Happiness and really like it. Are
>you referring to the 4AD version or the Capital version?  I almost wish I'd
>waited and bought the Capital version since it has that killer Nancy Sinatra
>song on it "These Boots Were Made For Walkin'".  Oh well, I guess I'll have to
>buy both. :)

>From my experience, the Capitol version of that cd is difficult to find.
I've only seen two copies ever.  But...I have an extra copy if anyone is
interested.  E-mail me personally.

Thanks,
Taylor


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:00:27 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


i noticed that there was a one-page article on michael brook in the latest
(i think) Option magazine.  i thought someone may want to know....
tony

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:05:18 +-200
From: Jason Curtis (curtisj@ICL.CO.ZA)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


------ =_NextPart_000_01BB5E09.E36B5780

He also added a track from Cobalt Blue on the soundtrack to HEAT.

----------
From: Scott David Anderson[SMTP:humgiant@USER1.CHANNEL1.COM]
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


>On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Jason Curtis wrote:
>
>> Michael Brook is also responsible for the design and concept of the =
>> Infinite Guitar - which is the one he plays and which gives all those =
>> great sonic twists.
>> The Edge (U2) has been playing his guitars for years....
>
>
>
>        infinite guitar meaning that the pickup(s)
>        will sustain the last note(s) played infinitely
>        until the power turns off or another chord is
>        struck?

the infinite guitar is like taking an e-bow(an electronic bow that makes a
string vibrate indefinitely) and building it into your guitar, but with one
for each string.  he also co-wrote and played on the soundtrack for the
movie "captive" with the edge(including the first apperance of sinead
o'connor).  it is a cool, ambient sort of record w/only one vocal
track(sinead).  the movie itself is kind of odd, kind of cool(rich girl is
kidnapped by political terrorists and converted).  the last interview i saw
said that brook and the edge are the only owners of the infinite guitar(the
edge's being a gift from brook).  wish i had one...:^(  i'll just have to
settle for my e-bow

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
scott anderson                               big monster fish hook



                 humgiant@user1.channel1.com
                      sanderson@sbra.com
           http://www.channel1.com/users/humgiant
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:25:46 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Richard Ashcroft?


On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Alan Daniel wrote:

> i'm really going to miss that guy and
> his music.

Huh!? What the hell happened to him??? Last I heard was Verve reformed
without the guitar player. Did he die or something?? :(


 e

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:51:58 -0700
From: Matthew Polder (mpolder@SUN1.PS.UCI.EDU)
Subject: DCD bootleg


First off, who was the lame-o who sent an old February digest to
everyone? That was very annoying.

I found a bootleg CD of DCD called "Influences of the Middle East" or
something like that. Not too bad of quality though it fades out and in on
one song. But it has four tracks I've not heard elsewhere as well as an
earlier version of Rakim. Anyone else have this?

matthew


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:21:31 ES
From: Marc Jones (Marc_Jones@DISCOVERY.COM)
Subject: DCD in ATL


Dead Can Dance will be performing on August 17, at Symphony Hall in Atlanta.

I believe tickets go on sale in July.

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:13:14 -0700
From: Ryan (ryan@LEONARDO.NET)
Subject: Re: cindytalk tour-mpls query


Deanna Phillips  wrote:
>Hahahah. I had suspected as much. I've been seeing projekt's ads for
>"ethereal gloom doom goth" or whatever for years and it just somehow
>*bothered* me that they would advertise the music that way. Reminds me =

Oh yeah, loveliescrushing and love spirals downwards are big gloom and doom
goth bands!  I have never seen their music described as such by projekt
(although I have seem Lycia and Black Tape described as gothic ambient).
BTW, did you know that lovesliescrushing (along with I think one other
band) has the distinction of the receiving the most lilies ever on
Dewdrops' very non gloom and doom rating system?


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:15:41 -0700
From: Rick Stone (crnholio@EMF.NET)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


very cute...

but, you forgot to mention that Mark is also going out with a French
chick...whoooooah!

Anyone heard the new Lisa Germano?  I just got a copy yesterday and
interested in opinions.

>Steven Venn:
>>Ironically Michael is at the peak of his career
>>whereas Mark Gane and Martha Stewart
>>who later became M+M, are doing nothing.
>
>Mark Gane is now in Stereolab, and Martha Stewart is everyone's favorite
>interior decorator with her own magazine and TV show.
>
>[Insert smileys as appropriate]

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:22:09 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: What I am listening to


Doesn't "AD" mean "after death"?  :\  I guess you learn something new everyday

marvyn

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:16:54 +0000
From: "a.e. nelson" (static@RCONNECT.COM)
Subject: Re: Lisa Germano


>>>any lisa germano fans here
>>
>>>just got the re release of happiness
>>>beautiful
>>
>>>does anyone have more info on her?
>>
>>I'm a new fan.  I just got her 4AD version of Happiness and really like it.
>>Are
>>you referring to the 4AD version or the Capital version?  I almost wish I'd
>>waited and bought the Capital version since it has that killer Nancy Sinatra
>>song on it "These Boots Were Made For Walkin'".  Oh well, I guess I'll have to
>>buy both. :)
>
>From my experience, the Capitol version of that cd is difficult to find.
>I've only seen two copies ever.  But...I have an extra copy if anyone is
>interested.  E-mail me personally.
>
>Thanks,
>Taylor

i think i know where to get a copy of the capitol version too if anyone
wants it.
tony

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:23:19 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to


>>Well, I joined this list to talk about what life was like 4 years after the
>>death of Christ.  Its sure been a disappointing 3 years.  I'm so mad I may
>>unsubscribe in the next year or two!
>>
>>marvyn
>
>
>i believe in the year 4 A.D. Christ would have been 4 and a long way from
>being dead.  you've got 30 or so years to go...

No _wonder_ marvyn hasn't heard any info about it then.  This certainly
clears up a lot of problems for me.

Jake
Who gets to write Web pages instead of paying parking tickets

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:18:05 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: dcd first album wanted


I recently misplaced Dead Can Dance's self-titled first album and was wondering
if anyone has an extra copy they would like to sell?  Please email me directly

 Jon Drahn 

Thanks,

Jon

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:16:00 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins


At 11:49 6/19/96 +0000, you wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, C.K. Coney wrote:
>
>> And speaking of tours, are there no Dead Can Dance fans on this 4 AD list?
>> I'm still awaiting info on whether they are coming to Atlanta and/or Miami
>> in August? Please if anyone knows, please e-mail me directly or post to this
>> list! I would really appreciate it. Really.
>>
>
>
>        im a rabid dcd fan. here's the dates from their site.
>        looks like youre gonna have to drive for a while.
>        but they _did_ do atlanta last tour, and skipped
>        lots of the midwest... well, here they are:
>
>
>                      july 10 philadelphia keswick theatre
>                      july 11 wash dc warner theatre
>                      july 13-14 montreal maisonneuve theatre
>                      july 17 nyc city centre
>                      july 19 boston harborlights festival
>                      july 21 ann arbor michigan theatre
>                      july 22 cleveland lakewood civic theatre
>                      july 24 chicago riviera
>                      july 25 minneapolis orpheum
>                      ...?
>                      july 30 santa fe paolo soleri amphitheatre
>                      aug 1 boulder theatre
>                      aug 2 salt lake city kingsbuy theatre
>                      aug 5 seattle paramount
>                      aug 6 portland paramount (does pdx have a
>                            paramount?-joe)
>                      aug 7 vancouver bc orpheum
>                      aug 9 berkeley greek theatre
>                      aug 10 los angeles universal amphitheatre
>                      aug 11 san diego humphrey
>                      aug 14 dallas majestic theatre
>                      aug 15 houston cullen aud
>
>                      then...
>                      aug 21 sao paulo bra olympia
>                      aug 22 rio de janeiro bra morra da urca
>                      aug 25 buenos aires agr rock club
>                      aug 29-30
>

Hi, and thank you,

   I did see this list on their website, but also saw another list that DID
list Atlanta & Miami on Aug 19 & 20...but maybe they decided to rest before
heading out of country. Do you know if this list that you sent me is the
definitive, final list of tour dates?  Should I be hoping against hope that
they'll reconsider Atlanta or Miami? Or should I hustle on back to DC for
the July 11 show, which was already selling fast when I was up there June 9
for CT?

   Please let me know what you would if you were me, and considering I too
am a rabid DCD fan!

   And thank you so much for replying!

   Peace,

   Carol Coney


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:23:14 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: m. brook + i. remotely


1.

I have a question. Pardon if it's already been covered as I am only
halfway through my mail, but I think it's safe to assume it hasn't been
brough up.

I have come to adore Brook's first album, Hybrid, and now classify it
with The Shutov Assembly and Lovely Thunder on the second tier under the
Holy Trinity of the OnLand/Fishes/Pearl axis. It is a seriously beautiful
album. The thing is, I find Cobalt Blue a bit annoying. Nice, but of an
atmosphere I find neither inspiring nor very attractive. Hybrid is a
totally different style.

What I'd like to know is how much Live at the Aquarium, and the 1989
performance released more recently on Sine Records, resemble either
Hybrid or Cobalt Blue, if either. I'm inclined to hope that the Sine
release is closer to Hybrid and perhaps comprised mostly of that album's
material, but I'd appreciate a track listing for either live album or
any comments abou comparative styles, etc.

For that matter, didn't Sine also release an Eno live album recorded at
the same festival? How is it and what did he play?

2.

Weird how so many listservs I'm on are doing offtopic lists and blabbing
about ontopicness/offtopicness. I mean it's happening a lot all of a
sudden. Wilder my friend, what the hell are you doing listening to
lovesliescrushing?? I suppose you have to balance the rest of that stuff
somehow, eh? :) Who exactly is/are Rise and Fall of a Decade?

Anyway, here's mine...

Brian Eno - The Shutov Assembly ...possibly better than On Land
Locust - Weathered Well ...long learning curve but incredible
Techsteppin ...drum n bass comp, very nice
Gak ...old Aphex Twin shit; awesome
mu-Ziq - In Pine Effect ...still getting used to this
Squarepusher - Feed Me Weird Things ...just got it, what the fuck??
Modula Green - Shellground ...as always
Black Dog Productions - Bytes ...as always
Analog Heaven ...cool old acid sampler i dug up
Mazzy Star ...yes i do still make myself listen to guitar music
Spacetime Continuum - Sea Biscuit ...gorgeously bubbly beatful ambient
Meat Beat Manifesto - Subliminal Sandwich ...album of the year?
Orbital - In Sides ...i kinda wore this one out! :(
Blech ...lame Warp mix tape but my portable cd is brokedick
Sarband - Red Book of Montserrat ...best choral/medieval i ever heard
Cold Storage - Wipeout soundtrack ...wack dance music, rocks
FSOL - Lifeforms ...always dependable
Jake Slazenger - Makesaracket ...mu-Ziq sings Fat Albert? WOO!! *bleep*
David Moufang - Solitaire ...not really but it's the thought that counts
Tarnation ...the way, the truth, the light...

3.

Good night, almost.



 e

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:37:27 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to


This whole AD discussion reminds me of the fact that the last time I looked at
the 4AD FAQ, I could have sworn that it said 4AD came from the word Forward.  I
thought I read an interview somewhere where Ivo or someone said that 4AD stood
for "For a Day" because he didn't think the label was going to be around very
long.  Can someone elaborate?

Barry

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:48:58 -0700
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to

              Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:22:09 -0500

>   Doesn't "AD" mean "after death"?  :\  I guess you learn
>   something new everyday

Nope, Anno Domini (in the year of our lord).  Supposedly since the birth of
Jesus but i think they goofed that up by a few years.  At first i thought that
4AD (the record label) was named after the correct birth year but i think it's
actually 4BC.  (and we all know that Christmas isn't his birthday either, don't
we?)  But this is all irrelevant since it has nothing to do w/ anything.

Sorry for the brief diversion.

-cz

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:50:40 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Richard Ashcroft?


>
> On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Alan Daniel wrote:
>
> > i'm really going to miss that guy and
> > his music.
>
> Huh!? What the hell happened to him??? Last I heard was Verve reformed
> without the guitar player. Did he die or something?? :(
>
>
>  e
>

the verve has reformed, without their guitarist(i don't remember his
name).  i believe the group's name is sensation.  there's supposed to
be some material coming out later this summer.  what it's going to
sound like, i have no clue.

jason


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:40:23 -0500
From: "John, Jacci, & Madison" (jojones@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU)
Subject: 4AD release dates?


Has anyone noticed how elusive this year's release dates are???

The 4AD web site gives only a vague idea of when the new albums are coming
out.  And the release dates I've seen elsewhere are all different for each
CD.  Example:  Some info cited the DCD release date as Jun 18, and some as
Jun 24.

If anyone can give me actual dates of the following, I would be most

HIS NAME IS ALIVE (Is Universal Frequencies coming out domestically??)
HIS NAME IS ALIVE Stars on ESP
HEIDI BERRY
LISA GERMANO
THROWING MUSES pre-album EP (for Shark??)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"you're so boring boring boring / always tape machine recording
 you're so boring boring boring / and you've heard all this before"
                                                        -Dead Kennedys

john b. jones                   jojones@syr.edu
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:20:10 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD "after death"? and Michael Brook


OOPS!

Also there were two Marthas in Martha and the Muffins,
one being Martha Stewart (not the interior
decoration/entertaining woman and all 'round
antichrist) who went on to form M+M.

Sorry It should be Martha Johnson and Martha Ladley.

Martha Stewart is the interior decoration/entertaining
woman and all 'round antichrist...but not a member
of M+M sorry...

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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:03:52 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to


>On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Steven Venn wrote:
>
>> Aphex Twin & Phillip Glass Ensemble - Donkey Rhubarb
>
>
>        is this new? what's it like?

Not too new, last year or so.

I t has a version of an Aphex Twin song performed
by Phillip Glass in a string arrangement. It is
very different to hear Aphex Twin performed
in this way. I would pick it up if you can find
it. Its bound to be a collector cd mini-ep in
the next few years. I have it on tape from
a friend, so I'm not sure of who puts it out.

Steve

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                                                     "Surviving Desire"

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:36:59 -0400
From: ulangilah (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: not remotely 4AD-ish/Michael Brook


>>I'm curious about what other listies play in regular roation on
>>their stereos that isn't remotely 4AD-ish...


Harold Budd - Lovely Thunder
Can - Tago Mago
Pram - Meshes
Labradford - A Stable Reference
The Telescopes - [untitled]
Stars of the Lid - Music for Nitrous Oxide
V/A - Folds and Rhizomes for Gilles Deleuze
Lilys - Eccsame the Photon Band


>Michael Brook used to be a member of the
>Toronto new wave band Martha and the Muffins
>who had a few hits, the biggest being Echo Beach.

I've heard he was in the band too, but I haven't been able to confirm this.
There was one of those where-are-they-now features on the band in Q a while
ago but no mention of Michael Brook at all. If he *was* in the band, I
suspect it would have been towards the end, not during the Echo Beach days.

Larry


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:09:42 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Delay Tambor: (seefeel, autechre, scanner, etc.)


    I just have the track listing of the last silvania cd "Delay
Tambor", which includes silvania's songs played in different versions
by some ambient luminaries like  Kseefeel, autechre, scanner  Getc.
The new disc also includes 3 new songs by Silvania.

    So here is the track listing -taken from a spanish zine, Spiral-:

    01: Eesal
    02: Ov : Locust mx
    03: Ry I : Scorn mx
    04: 3lc : Seefeel mx
    05: ArAng : Scanner mx
    06: Bengala
    07: LBelm : Autechre mx
    08: Arqueopteryx

    Most of the songs are from "En Cielo de Oceano":  Ov = Oval,
3lc = Trilce, ArAng = Arcangel, LBelm = Un bosque en la memoria.
    And one from "Paisaje III": Ry I = Raymi I.
    The others are the new silvania's songs.

    The cover versions are supposed to be in radical diferent
versions than they appeared on the silvania's discs.

    About the 3 new tracks the Spiral's writer says:

            "...now their soul has changed to the investigation, the
        search, and even an evident hedonist side that they're going
        to continue exploiting -see the new maxi "Galax Trax"-. I also
        believe that Mario and Coco (*) have learnt that is preferable
        to fascinate and to result interestings, juicys,
        unforgettables, to leave a trace more creative than
        sentimental."

            -(*): Mario and Coco are Silvania.

        Just to say that if you have a doubt about what i was telling
you about silvania all the time, seefeel, autechre and the other
great bands that appears on Delay Tambor help me to continue saying:

        You really should hear the Silvania's exquisite beauty.
        You really should.

        Regards.

                Wilder.

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:38:03 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: m. brook + i. remotely


>
> 2.
>
> Weird how so many listservs I'm on are doing offtopic lists and blabbing
> about ontopicness/offtopicness. I mean it's happening a lot all of a
> sudden. Wilder my friend, what the hell are you doing listening to
> lovesliescrushing?? I suppose you have to balance the rest of that stuff
> somehow, eh?

        I don't think that to listen llc and slowdive -forgot to
name them-, silvania or even eno, sp*, spacetime continuum, e.a.r.
etc. be a weird thing. Dear "e" you really surprise me with that
question. Is so innecesary -for not to use another words- like if I
ask you "what the hell you are on the 4AD-L listening spacetime,
mu-ziq, locust, etc.??".

        lovesliescrushing are really mindblowing and their cd
bloweyelashwish is for me on the top of the shoegazers and/or ethereal
noise discs. I love lovesliescrushing.


>

        They're a band from Hyperium Records.
        They're influenced by the hesitated rythms of the shoegazing,
and from two great bands: Eyeless in Gaza and Cocteau Twins. And use
too lots of classical instrumentations.
        Rise and Fall of a Decade has 3 cds out,  I just have two of
Both really great.

        Regards.

                Wilder.


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:04:18 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: 4AD "after death"? and Michael Brook


>Doesn't "AD" mean "after death"?  :\  I guess you learn something new everyday
>
>marvyn

It means "anno domini". My latin is nada so I can't translate. Anyone?

4AD
How did Ivo come up with this name, btw?

Oh and Tim Gane is in Stereolab no relation
to Mark Gane from M+M. Also there were
two Marthas in Martha and the Muffins,
one being Martha Stewart (not the interior
decoration/entertaining woman and all 'round
antichrist) who went on to form M+M.

So has anyone found any info to disprove
the Cobalt Blue sticker that says that Michael
Brook was a member of Martha and the Muffins?
I am going to do some websurfing in that regard.

Steve


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Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1

(905) 884-2601

"Listen pal, you can't just waltz in here, use my toaster
 and spout universal truths without qualification!"
                                                    -Jude from Hal Hartley's
                                                     "Surviving Desire"


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:23:23 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Release Dates


The following are UK Release Dates.  US dates will usually be within 2 weeks
of the UK ones.

June 17    Dead Can Dance - Spiritchaser
June 24    His Name Is Alive - Stars on ESP
July 15    Lush - 500
July 29    Throwing Muses - Shark
August12 Lisa Germano - Small Heads
Aug 19     Pixies - Debaser
Aug 19     Throwing Muses - Limbo
mid Aug    Heidi Berry - Miracle
Sept 9      Lisa Germano - Excerpts from a Love Circus
Sept 9      Gus Gus - Cold Breath '79
Sept 16    Pixies
Sept         The Paladins

Of course, these dates are not set in stone, however they are pretty close.
 Lush will continue to tour.  Paladins will always be touring.  and His Name
Is Alive will do multiple tours.
enjoy

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:33:08 -0700
From: Mary Fong (mmnn@HOOKED.NET)
Subject: Re: New Faith & Disease CD


Hello Ivy Records:

Yes, please send me info on how to obtain these (and more) titles.

Thanks,
Mary








>Ivy Records June releases:
>-The third full-length CD by Seattle's Faith & Disease is now avaiable.
>Seattle and on tour. Also included are "anomaly" tracks; previously
>unreleased studio tracks and live tracks from 1992-94.-The debut CD by Ninth
>Circle is also out. "Ninth Circle" features male and female harmonies,
>guitars and keyboards. Perfectly recorded morose dream-pop in the vein of
>perhaps early Clan of Xymox and "From the Hilltop" era Section 25.
>
>More info on how to obtain these (and more) titles? e-mail us.

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:31:47 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: DCD bootleg


i have the "influences" bootleg. it is basically the same line up as "gothic
spleens" but i think spleens is the better recording

todd sanders


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:49:19 -0400
From: "...handsome devil..." (drex@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG)
Subject: On Tour! PBS Show


ok, so some of u were talking about a Shaving the Pavement show that was
        being taped for a pbs show, right?  tonight i might have found
        which show it will be on.
it is called On Tour (channel 31, NYC), and tonight they had Lou Reed,
        Cowboy Junkies and Morphine!  oh, the show is every wednesday
        at 9pm (again, NYC time.  u will have to check ur telly guides
        to find out the time in ur neck of the woods).
there is also a web page:  www.sonicnet.com/ontour  i will check it out
        as soon as i post this mail.  i hope it has listing of future
        shows.

ta ta for now;

J.Henrique.R.


Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 19:46:34 -0700
From: David Stack (dstack@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 4AD/Dreampop Sale/Trade

              AGREDA" at Jun 19, 96 07:38:03 pm

Hi All,

  I have a bunch of stuff people on the list might enjoy.  I would very
much like to trade the below stuff for other dreampop stuff.  Right now I
am looking for Sarah bands on CD:  Blueboy, Secret Shine (this band
reminds me much of Slowdive), Sea Orchids and more.  If you have no Sarah
stuff send me your 4AD/Dreampop/CD trades.  If all else fails, the cds are
forsale and the list is also updated almost daily through my web page.
Also while at my WWW, please give me constuctive critism about my
4AD-->WWW list interface.  I kind of like it, I think you will too!
(it has a searchable index and other benfits over the mailbox 4AD list)

Dave Stack (dstack@netcom.com)
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Belly ...............  Feed The Tree (4 Trk Import) .................. $6*
Belly ...............  Feed The Tree (US, 4 Tracks) .................. $3*
Belly ...............  Now They'll Sleep (3 Trks, 2 B-sides) ......... $5*
Boo Radleys .........  Boo! Forever (4 Track Promo) .................. $4*
Frank Black .........  Headache (4 Trk Import, Bad4007) .............. $6*
His Name Is Alive ...  In Every Ford (5 Trk Promo) ................... $5*
Ivy .................  I Hate December (3 Tracks) .................... $6*
Lush ................  Single Girl (Disc #1, 4 Tracks/UK Import) ..... $8*
M/A/R/R/S (A.R. Kane/  Pump Up The Volume (3 Trk Import) ............. $7*
Mojave 3 ............  Love Songs On The Radio (Edit) ................ $1*
Scheer ..............  Wish You Were Dead (1 Track Promo W/inserts) .. $3*
Spain ...............  The Radio Edits (4 Tracks) .................... $6*
St. Etienne .........  Join Our Club/people Get Real (Heavenly 1992) . $6
St. Etienne .........  You're In A Bad Way ........................... $6
St. Etienne Daho ....  Reserection (UK Import, 5 Trks) ............... $9
This Mortal Coil ....  5 Selected Orginals .......................... $10*
Throwing Muses ......  Counting Backwards (4trk Import) .............. $8*

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Beneath The Icy Floe   Projekt Sampler ............................... $7*
Cocteau Twins .......  Head Over Heels ............................... $7*
Handful Of Snowdrops   Land Of The Dammed (Clan Of Xymox??) .......... $8*
Harold Bud ..........  The Serpent (In Quicksilver)/Adandoned Cities  $18*
Harvest Ministers ...  Little Dark Mansion (Sarah 616CD Import) ..... $13*
His Name Is Alive ...  Home In Your Head (Import/different) ......... $15*
Loop ................  Gilded Eternity (Noisey/shoegaze) ............. $5
Mojave 3 ............  Ask Me Tomarrow (Advance Promo, No Front Cover) $6
Moonshake ...........  Big Good Angel ................................ $5*
Scheer ..............  Infiliction (Promo, No Front Cover) ........... $6
Slowdive ............  Just For A Day ................................ $6*
Suddenly Tammy! .....  We Get There When We Do (Full Promo) .......... $7*
Sundays .............  Reading, Writing,  Arithmetic ................. $6*
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