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Subject: Eddie & the Sunshine
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 05:51:06 +0100
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: DCD in LA
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:08:22 -0700
From: jeremy redman (jredman@uci.edu)
Subject: Lisa Germano
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:10:09 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Exclusively 4AD? (was: nearly god, nearly here)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 01:47:50 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Spiritchaser - first impressions
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:05:48 CET
From: Tomek (DERUFIN@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: seefeel & tindersticks
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 05:06:28 -0400
From: Lush Muse (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: seefeel & tindersticks
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:20:34 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: FractureTied
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 03:21:18 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:52:03 +0800
From: Lim Kian Hong (qland@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 04:59:00 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:12:26 +0100
From: "bryan.hughes" (ea5bhu@zen.sunderland.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 07:19:58 -0700
From: Matt Jukins (matt@buggy.mv.com)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:17:01 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:21:46 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Rentals
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:18:31 -0400
From: Alex Mayo (Alex.Mayo@ENTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: lisa germano
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:29:04 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:01:32 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re[2]: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:31:12 -0400
From: Alex Mayo (Alex.Mayo@ENTEX.COM)
Subject: sending stellar demo tapes
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:32:41 -0300
From: Rodrigo de Sousa Lariu (mmlariu@copa.rio.com.br)
Subject: Bud
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:06:55 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 06:39:49 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:12:36 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: The Rentals
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:26:27 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 07:39:42 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:24:54 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?
Date: 18/06/96 15:04
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Michael Brook Wisdom
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:36:46 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:55:06 +-200
From: dan k.[SMTP:owilde@UMICH.EDU]
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:31:22 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely...
Date: 18/06/96 15:30
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:58:06 +-200
From: Barry A. Mathews[SMTP:Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET]
Subject: cracker/david lovering
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:33:22 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:07:51 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:10:09 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:51:04 -0500
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: cracker/david lovering
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:36:47 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: cracker/david lovering -Reply
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:52:46 -0400
From: "WILLIAM D. BARRY" (BARRYWD@GWSMTP.NU.COM)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:36:56 -0400
From: Lesley Barnett (barnettl@DICKINSON.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Rentals
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:45:16 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Tokyo Salamander
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:18:52 -0400
From: Bernal Koehrsen (BKoehrsen@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:31:54 -0700
From: Matt DeBellis (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:11:13 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: isn't remotely...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:36:43 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: lisa germano
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:49:30 -0400
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Sleeps WIth the Fishes
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:35:16 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:58:48 -0700
From: "C. Kemnitz" (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: curve = echobelly guy?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:59:37 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: Opinions requested
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:12:11 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: some Silvania's lyrics.
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:45:55 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Cocteau Twins in LA ticket
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:41:25 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Re: curve = echobelly guy?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:52:37 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Martinis
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:04:15 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Trades anyone?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:44:35 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:34:20 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:29:49 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: New Faith & Disease CD
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:58:47 -0400
From: IvyRecords@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins News and Updates...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:15:26 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Cocteau Twins
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:54:02 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: curve = echobelly guy?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 21:21:20 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:00:51 -0400
From: "Todd C. Zino" (coas.webmaster@LACEMAKER.COM)

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 05:51:06 +0100
From: lbo (lbo@IOL.IT)
Subject: Eddie & the Sunshine


ok, this is a definite off topic but...

does anyone have some news or know something or has something of the english
group "Eddie & the Sunshine"?

(sure about the spelling: no confusion with Eddie & hot rods, KC & Sunshine
and similar)

I saw them live as an opening act of Ultravox concert during Thin Wall-Rage
in Eden period (early '80s, kids), and I should even have a 7" of them.

I'm desperately searching other proofs of their (former) existence.

contact me personally: lbo@iol.it

bye, L.


Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:08:22 -0700
From: jeremy redman (jredman@uci.edu)
Subject: DCD in LA


anyone know how well the tickets are selling for the Los Angeles Dead
Can Dance show?  i ask this because i got rather good seats (3rd row
from pit) and the last time i got tickets this good the show was
cancelled due to poor ticket sales (sisters of mercy / public enemy).
i'm also taking my father to the show, so it would be a real bummer.

woah, and i just checked the TM site and realized that the other 3 dates
that are on sale, had max ticket price of $25..  is L.A. that special
that we have $35.50 tickets?  just about 40 including the convenience
charge?

in other randomness, i noticed someone in rec.music.marketplace.cd was
selling slowdive's morning rise ep and had some of the tracks listed as
remix.  are these tracks any different from the versions on Blue Day?
as morningrise is their only ep i don't own, basically because Blue Day
contained all the tracks...

--
jeremy redman      "peace in a world free from religion,
 jredman@uci.edu     peace in a world where everyone gets heaven."
                      - Toni Halliday


Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:10:09 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Lisa Germano


On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, shar wrote:


>any lisa germano fans here

>just got the re release of happiness
>beautiful

>does anyone have more info on her?

I'm a new fan.  I just got her 4AD version of Happiness and really like it.  Are
you referring to the 4AD version or the Capital version?  I almost wish I'd
waited and bought the Capital version since it has that killer Nancy Sinatra
song on it "These Boots Were Made For Walkin'".  Oh well, I guess I'll have to
buy both. :)

I also have a question for any other Germano fans:  I love her song on the STP
tape, "Small Heads".  Is this from a forthcoming album (soon, I hope) or just a
b-side?

Jon


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 01:47:50 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Exclusively 4AD? (was: nearly god, nearly here)

               of
              Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:44:08 -0700

>   > Actually, this is a 4AD mailing list.  One filled with
>   ppl. who like(d)
>   > 4AD artists, related groups, and music in general.
>   This is not an
>   > EXCLUSIVELY 4AD discussion list.
>
>   With all due respect, I've always thought it should be a
>   mailing list for discussion about 4AD artists and bands
>   specifically... [see the list name, for example].
>   Saying it's not apparently opens the discussion to
>   topics such as religion and philosophy and what not.

        I agree that there should be an attempt to stay on-topic but i suppose
each person's idea of "on-topic" tends to vary.  I don't think exotic animals
for sale, russian wives (was that a different music list?), philosophy,
politics, or religion should necessarily be tolerated.  A brief noodle lashing
for everyone (including me) who has ever fallen into such a pit.

        Within the realm of music/art, we're in a bind because 4AD has released
such disparate sounds both in the good ol' days and now.  We could say "ONLY 4AD
and related bands" but as we saw earlier nearly every band has some tie to even
one 4AD artist, say, Kim Deal.  So it seems that we either strictly limit the
talk to artists of 4AD (providing information, current news, and gossip strictly
for those artists) or we have a more dynamic definition of relevance with
present and past 4AD artists as an axis for discussion.

        Tricky is probably not a great case for me to try to defend in terms of
aesthetic or historical relevance to 4AD.  (Actually, i just wanted US release
info--not a discussion of the album, since several reviews had been posted
already.)   ... BUT i know i've profited from the eclectic musical discussions
on this list and would hate to see that discussion squelched.  I do agree that
we should come to a resolution on this issue since it comes up every once in a
while.  If someone has the facilities to set up an "alternative universe 4AD"
list, i'd be happy to be a member of both that list and a "4AD news only" sort
of list (where Miki's nose is a valid topic of discussion and Tricky's music is
not).  Historically, however, this list has not been a 4AD-ONLY list.

-cz

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:05:48 CET
From: Tomek (DERUFIN@PLEARN.BITNET)
Subject: Spiritchaser - first impressions


Hi!
I'm one of those unlucky ones that had to wait for the ordinary edition.
But now we all got it.
I bought it yesterday and have listen to it twice. It is time to share, I think
 It's really breathtaking, as in the old days. It catches you at the very begin
ning and moves into a journey of its own. I' call it a masterpiece (and that
hasn't happened from Aion), if it was not for two reasons. First one is the
beginning of No. 3. Why is Brendan saying all those things and not singing?
I admit that after the initial two or three minutes the song changes into one
of the best on the CD. But this beginning seems too easy a solution as far as
Brendan is concerned. Anyway, I can't be sure of my feelings yet.
Well, Song of the Dispossessed is definitely the worst part here. Forget the ly
rics, but what kind of music is that? I bet it it somehow connected with his
solo material.
It is only Lisa who won't let you down on this album. I don't know why and how
it happens, but she's just getting better and better (vide The Mirror Pool).

Well, I think that's it for the time being. It was worth waiting three years
for such a record, although the time of masterpieces is long gone.

Now, what do YOU think of it? Did you get down to your knees, too?

************************************************************************
 "An eye for an eye only ends up
  making the whole world blind"
                    from "Gandhi"
                                            Tomek Oljasz
                                            Derufin@plearn.edu.pl
                                            Warsaw University
************************************************************************


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 05:06:28 -0400
From: Lush Muse (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: seefeel & tindersticks


hey!

i saw these at a local record store today...can anyone tell me about these?

1. tindersticks: (the second album) (import w/ 2 cds)...it looks the same as
the domestic one but the color of the booklet is different...what's on the
2nd disc??

"succour"?)

thanks!
pete

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:20:34 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: seefeel & tindersticks

              Jun 18, 96 05:06:28 am

 Lush Muse  wrote on Tue, 18 Jun 1996
 (Subject: seefeel & tindersticks)
 >
 > 2.seefeel: fracture tied (is this an ep? is it good? like "quique"
 > or like "succour"?)

It's a 2-track single - "Fracture" is on "Succour", and "Tied" is in a
similar vein.  Both about six minutes, I think.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 18/06/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
The Fall


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 03:21:18 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: FractureTied


On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Andrew Norman wrote:

>  > 2.seefeel: fracture tied (is this an ep? is it good? like "quique"
>  > or like "succour"?)
>
> It's a 2-track single - "Fracture" is on "Succour", and "Tied" is in a
> similar vein.  Both about six minutes, I think.

If you've already got Succour, pass up this single and buy the Warp mix
tape Blech instead. It's got Tied on it plus a lot of fun Autechre,
Aphex, Black Dog, LFO, etc, etc. Kind of stinks actually but for $8 it'sa
great sample of some other artists plus the track you would otherwise pay
$10 or so for.

If you haven't got Succour, by all means get it.

Has anyone ever seen a single for FractureTied that comes in a case and
not a sleeve?

Anyone know the when/what of the new Warp stuff, especially Blech 2?


     e


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:52:03 +0800
From: Lim Kian Hong (qland@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...


>I'm curious about what other listies play in regular roation on
>their stereos that isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
>
>Jeff Keibel,
>Toronto, ON
>CANADA

curve - cuckoo ;->
luna - penthouse
cranes - loved

and...

pantera - the great southern trendkill :-)

cheers,

edwin

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 04:59:00 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?


Jens Alfke wrote:
> Heffalump, n9344881@CC.WWU.EDU wrote:
> >With all due respect, I've always thought it should be a mailing list for
> >discussion about 4AD artists and bands specifically... [see the list name,
> >for example].  Saying it's not apparently opens the discussion to topics
> >such as religion and philosophy and what not.
>
> No, things like that will happen no matter how rigid you make the list
> topic! I've seen the most narrowly-defined lists veer waaay off topic.
> It's just human nature.

I agree.  Not only that but most all the music discussed here CAN be related
pretty easily to the 4AD label.

Tricky -> samples David Sylvian, a very this-listy performer who used sleeve
design by v23, recorded with Michael Brook, and was offered a This Mortal Coil
guest spot.
This Mortal Coil's 'Blood' also has a few pre-"trip-hop" dub dance tracks -
"Loose Joints" being one that would fit very nicely next to a Tricky track.

There is probably something even closer, but I haven't thought about it
much.

David.

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:12:26 +0100
From: "bryan.hughes" (ea5bhu@zen.sunderland.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...


I recommend Strangelove who have just released their second album 'Love
and Other Demons' and who are one of the best live bands that I've seen.
In addition, my playlist includes :-
        Miranda Sex Garden - Fairytales of Slavery
        Ash - 1977
        Prodigy - Music for the Jilted Generation
and...  Leonard Cohen (!)

Cheerfully,
Bryan.

On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Lim Kian Hong wrote:

> >I'm curious about what other listies play in regular roation on
> >their stereos that isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
> >
> >Jeff Keibel,
> >Toronto, ON
> >CANADA
>
> curve - cuckoo ;->
> luna - penthouse
> cranes - loved
>
> and...
>
> pantera - the great southern trendkill :-)
>
> cheers,
>
> edwin
>

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 07:19:58 -0700
From: Matt Jukins (matt@buggy.mv.com)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...


>
> >I'm curious about what other listies play in regular roation on
> >their stereos that isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
> >
> >Jeff Keibel,
> >Toronto, ON
> >CANADA
>
any Rush, Jethro Tull, Dread Zeppelin, and King Diamond

-Matt


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:17:01 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...


> >I'm curious about what other listies play in regular roation on
> >their stereos that isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
> >
> >Jeff Keibel,
> >Toronto, ON
> >CANADA


love and rockets        *hot trip to heaven
meat beat manifesto     *subliminal sandwich
steely dan              *greatest hits (canadian vinyl vers.)

and due to warrn def:
the beach boys          *pet sounds

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:21:46 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?


On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, David McCallum wrote:

> design by v23, recorded with Michael Brook, and was offered a This Mortal Coil
> guest spot.


        oh, yeah. i just heard michael brook for the first time
        last week. an album called live at the aquarium or something?
        anyways, can somebody please point me to other m. brook
        lps that i would enjoy as much as the live thingy?
        also, is the live thingy available in the usa as a domestic
        release?  it was a digipack, the one i listened to previously.


        also, while youre at it, just who is michael brook, who
        else has he recorded with, where's he from, and
        is it _just him_ on the live thing?

        dan

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:18:31 -0400
From: Alex Mayo (Alex.Mayo@ENTEX.COM)
Subject: Re: The Rentals


On 6/17, Jeff Keibel wrote:

>>I don't know if it's cool mention The Rentals here, but after letting their
"Return Of The Rentals" album (Maverick/Reprise 9 46093-2/4) grow on me over the
last several months, I can safely say that it is one of my fave albums released
last year.<<

   Yeah, there seems to be kind of a moog revival going on these days...you've
got the Rentals, Stereolab, Six Finger Satellite...there's even a moog album of
covers of popular grunge/rock favorites (Neil Young's 'Rocking in the Free
World' being one of the best!) called, I think, Moog Cookbook.

Alex

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:29:04 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: lisa germano


Lisa Germano is one of my favorite "active" 4AD acts.  Happiness is actually a
reissue of the Columbia album of the same name (released in 1993) - Lisa got
college radio airplay with "the dresses song".   Lisa was not very happy with
Columbia (read the liner notes of the 4AD album).  On the '94 4AD album, tracks
got moved around and remixed.  "The Dresses Song" was altered as well.

4AD also released a limited edition ep in early '94 called "Inconsiderate
Bitch", which contains tracks on the Happiness lp ("Puppet" and "Happiness" are
remixes, but I'm not sure about the other tracks.

Late 1994 saw a second release from Germano, "Geek the Girl".  IMHO, this
"concept" album is more mature and fully realized than happiness.  It takes
awhile to grow on you, but the wait is worth it - the album is great (even
though there are no "hit single" type tracks on it).  It took me a few months
of listening to it before I really liked the album.

Recently I picked up an older Lisa Germano cd (I think on a label called Major
Bill or something).  It's called "On the Way Down from the Moon Palace".  I am
not enamored of it.  There's some instrumental pieces on it, etc., but it
hasn't really grown on me the way her later stuff has.

I think that Lisa was a session violinist earlier in her career, and played
with John Mellencamp.....

Barry


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:01:32 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely...


> >I'm curious about what other listies play in regular roation on
> >their stereos that isn't remotely 4AD-ish...

Hmmm...out here in Vermont I'm listening to whatever I can get my hands on,

1)  Imperial Teen                           seasick
2)  The Wedding Present       mini
3)  The Velvet Underground peel slowly and see
4) 18th Dye                                          tribute to a bus
5)  Cracker                                          the golden age

However, it seems that 4AD is all over the place these days & for something to
not be remotely 4Adish is getting tougher and tougher....

Barry

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:31:12 -0400
From: Alex Mayo (Alex.Mayo@ENTEX.COM)
Subject: Re[2]: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...


> >I'm curious about what other listies play in regular roation on
> >their stereos that isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
> >
> >Jeff Keibel,
> >Toronto, ON
> >CANADA

Trance Atlantic compilation
Pop Will Eat Itself - This Is The Day, This Is The Hour, This Is This
Wings of Desire - soundtrack
Tool - Undertow
Prodigy - Songs For the Jilted Generation

Alex

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:32:41 -0300
From: Rodrigo de Sousa Lariu (mmlariu@copa.rio.com.br)
Subject: sending stellar demo tapes


Finally I have some tapes on their way to people who asked for it.
I included a letter with info about the other bands on MM, a brief
history on brazilian rock and something on Stellar.
The tape has 9 Stellar songs on A side, 2 Stellar songs on the
beggining of B and 6 to 7 songs from other bands on MM. I tried to
record brincando de deus, Sonic Disruptor and Old Magic Pallas to
almost everyone but the other 3 or 4 are different from tape to tape.

Please, as soon as you receive it, e-mail me:
And keep in touch.
thanks
(let me sit in front of the tape deck again for other 30 tapes)

rodrigo lariu
midsummer madness demos and zine
mmlariu@rio.com.br
rua general severiano,40/ 306
botafogo - rio de janeiro - rj
22290-040 - brazil

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:06:55 BST
From: Simon Hughes (tcssph@AIE.LREG.CO.UK)
Subject: Bud

              -0400 <199606152006.QAA07632@acmex.gatech.edu>

greg wrote:

>As for the remnants of the band, I had heard a rumour many months ago that
>Toni was working with the former members of Xymox as a band called Bud.

That was Anka Wolbert (spelling?).  It didn't work out.  Take the following
with a large pinch of salt because not only did it originate from Anka
alone, it's been subject to a bit of Chinese whispers since then.  To get
to the point, Anka said she wasn't very happy with writing all the songs,
playing all the instruments and then having Toni wanting to be the star of
the show, so to speak.  That's something like her side of the story ay
least.

Simon Hughes


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 06:39:49 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...


>
> >I'm curious about what other listies play in regular roation on
> >their stereos that isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
> >
> >Jeff Keibel,
> >Toronto, ON
> >CANADA
>

A bit of Goth:
Sisters, Rosetta Stone, Mission, Ghost Dance, Two Witches,  Nefilim,
Virgin Prunes, Gene Loves Jezebel, Sex Fiend, Sex Gang Children etc etc...

A lot of Industrial:
NIN, Skinny Puppy, Klute, Voice of Destruction, KMFDM, Ministry, Lard, Leather S
rip,
Psychopomps, Spahn Ranch, Armageddon Dildos etc etc

Plenty of NewRo:
Duran, Talk Talk, Tears for Fears, Japan, Human League, Heaven 17, Blancmange,
Flock of Seagulls, Ultravox, Yazoo, Depeche Mode, Thompson Twins, Spandau Ballet


In other words, mostly the whole bastard lot..........

Chris (depending on the mood).....

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:12:36 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


I know a little bit about Michael Brook:

I believe he's Canadian and works or has worked with Brian Eno (well, the
influences are certainly there).  He's recorded a solo album on 4AD called
"Cobalt Blue" from which most of "Live at the Aquarium" is taken.  He has also
recorded an album with Peter Nooten (sp?) for 4AD.  A track from that album was
covered by This Mortal Coil on "Filligree and Shadow"--the original version
appears on the TMC box set, and it is BEAUTIFUL.

Both "Cobalt Blue" and "Live at the Aquarium" are available domestically (USA)
through 4AD/Warner (or were at least when I bought them).  In the UK, "Live at
the Aquarium" was one of 4AD's three 1992 "temporary" releases (along with
Swallow remixes and a Throwing Muses live album).

Michael continues to make music, usually collaborating.  Check out the very
recent "Night Music" on RealWorld (Peter Gabriel's label), which is Michael
Brook and Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, a Pakastani singer.  It's really wild, but the
background music is unmistakenly Michael Brook.  Michael has been on another
RealWorld release not too long ago, but I can't remember the name of the person
he collaborated with.  I belive that it was an Indian singer, but I'm not
certain.  If you like the instrumental quality of Brook's solo releases, you
may not be as enamored of his collaborations.

If you like "Live at the Aquarium", definitely check out "Cobalt Blue".

Barry

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:26:27 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: The Rentals



..and don't forget "dark side of the moog" I - IV off of FAX.


marvyn

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 07:39:42 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...


well...
        Jim Carroll-praying Mantis
        WS Burroughs-spare ass annie
        digable planets-blowout comb
        talking heads-sand inthe vaseline
        hendrix and the band of gypsys-band of gypsys(live at the
Fillmore West
        all paul simon, leonard cohen and peter gabriel

sean

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:24:54 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...

u>

In my case re: not thislisty:

the ink spots   *greatest hits
joe jackson    3 or 4 of his CDs
ray lynch       *deep breakfast
astora piazolla  accordian tango
ennio morricone  too many CDs to list


marvyn


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:53:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re[2]: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?


     Other 4AD release - Cobalt Blue. Mainly the same tracks as on Live at
     the Aquarium but - not live! He's a producer/composer, British and has
     worked with the likes of Brian Eno, David Sylvian etc.. He has a new
     release out with some famous African singer (I forget his name and my
     copy of The Wire is not at hand). Not on 4AD.


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?

Date: 18/06/96 15:04 On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, David McCallum wrote: > design by v23, recorded with Michael Brook, and was offered a This Mortal Coil > guest spot. oh, yeah. i just heard michael brook for the first time last week. an album called live at the aquarium or something? anyways, can somebody please point me to other m. brook lps that i would enjoy as much as the live thingy? also, is the live thingy available in the usa as a domestic release? it was a digipack, the one i listened to previously. also, while youre at it, just who is michael brook, who else has he recorded with, where's he from, and is it _just him_ on the live thing? dan

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:36:46 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Michael Brook Wisdom


        WOW! muchas gracias for the wealth of information
        that has been directed my way re: michael brook.
        I was not surprised to find that he has recorded
        on Real World--almost from the first note of
        ...at the aquarium i was thinking about
        p.gabriel's 'the passion'.  wow. im gonna go
        record shopping after work.

        thanks alot, folks!

        dan

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:55:06 +-200
From: Jason Curtis (curtisj@ICL.CO.ZA)
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?


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1992's Cobalt Blue plus another one which he did with some chap who's =
name escapes me. Cobalt Blue was his true solo debut. Live @ the =
Aquaruim was originally released as a temporary release by 4AD in the UK =
of a an initial pressing of 5000 units. The recording was done @ the =
London Aquarium as part of his promo for Cobalt Blue and it was not =
intended for general release.
Live @ the Aqaurium has only been released in Canada as far as i know =
(after the original temp release of course in the UK)

....hope this helps

Cheerio,

Jason

----------
From: dan k.[SMTP:owilde@UMICH.EDU]
Subject: Re: off-topic discussions [Re: nearly god, nearly here?


On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, David McCallum wrote:

> design by v23, recorded with Michael Brook, and was offered a This =
Mortal Coil
> guest spot.


        oh, yeah. i just heard michael brook for the first time
        last week. an album called live at the aquarium or something?
        anyways, can somebody please point me to other m. brook
        lps that i would enjoy as much as the live thingy?
        also, is the live thingy available in the usa as a domestic
        release?  it was a digipack, the one i listened to previously.


        also, while youre at it, just who is michael brook, who
        else has he recorded with, where's he from, and
        is it _just him_ on the live thing?

        dan


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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:31:22 -0400
From: "dan k." (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Jason Curtis wrote:

> Michael Brook is also responsible for the design and concept of the =
> Infinite Guitar - which is the one he plays and which gives all those =
> great sonic twists.
> The Edge (U2) has been playing his guitars for years....



        infinite guitar meaning that the pickup(s)
        will sustain the last note(s) played infinitely
        until the power turns off or another chord is
        struck?

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:11:00 GMT
From: Paul Walsh (Paul.Walsh@PETROLITE.CO.UK)
Subject: Re[2]: isn't remotely...


     In Manchester (England) I'm listening to (non-4AD stuff) :-

     1) Tortoise            Millions Living May Never Die
     2) Stereolab           Emperor Tomato Ketchup
     3) Beastie Boys        In Sound From Way Out
     4) DRAIN               (latest CD forget the title - sorry)
     5) Ui                  Sidelong

     I'm going through a 'phase' at the moment - apologies! :-)

     Moogs, moogs, moogs .... where are they growing these things? I
     thought all the moogs were destroyed in the Great Moog Cull of 1978!
     They've obviously been genetically engineered in some government lab
     and released into second-hand music stores where they wait for an
     unsuspecting muso to pass....then they pounce!!! However, the call of
     the wild moog does make a refreshing change nowadays!


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: isn't remotely...

Date: 18/06/96 15:30 > >I'm curious about what other listies play in regular roation on > >their stereos that isn't remotely 4AD-ish... Hmmm...out here in Vermont I'm listening to whatever I can get my hands on, 1) Imperial Teen seasick 2) The Wedding Present mini 3) The Velvet Underground peel slowly and see 4) 18th Dye tribute to a bus 5) Cracker the golden age However, it seems that 4AD is all over the place these days & for something to not be remotely 4Adish is getting tougher and tougher.... Barry

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:58:06 +-200
From: Jason Curtis (curtisj@ICL.CO.ZA)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


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Michael Brook is also responsible for the design and concept of the =
Infinite Guitar - which is the one he plays and which gives all those =
great sonic twists.
The Edge (U2) has been playing his guitars for years....



----------
From: Barry A. Mathews[SMTP:Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET]
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


I know a little bit about Michael Brook:

I believe he's Canadian and works or has worked with Brian Eno (well, =
the
influences are certainly there).  He's recorded a solo album on 4AD =
called
"Cobalt Blue" from which most of "Live at the Aquarium" is taken.  He =
has also
recorded an album with Peter Nooten (sp?) for 4AD.  A track from that =
album was
covered by This Mortal Coil on "Filligree and Shadow"--the original =
version
appears on the TMC box set, and it is BEAUTIFUL.

Both "Cobalt Blue" and "Live at the Aquarium" are available domestically =
(USA)
through 4AD/Warner (or were at least when I bought them).  In the UK, =
"Live at
the Aquarium" was one of 4AD's three 1992 "temporary" releases (along =
with
Swallow remixes and a Throwing Muses live album).

Michael continues to make music, usually collaborating.  Check out the =
very
recent "Night Music" on RealWorld (Peter Gabriel's label), which is =
Michael
Brook and Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, a Pakastani singer.  It's really wild, =
but the
background music is unmistakenly Michael Brook.  Michael has been on =
another
RealWorld release not too long ago, but I can't remember the name of the =
person
he collaborated with.  I belive that it was an Indian singer, but I'm =
not
certain.  If you like the instrumental quality of Brook's solo releases, =
you
may not be as enamored of his collaborations.

If you like "Live at the Aquarium", definitely check out "Cobalt Blue".

Barry


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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:33:22 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: cracker/david lovering


I read awhile back in Rolling Stone that David Lovering had joined Cracker,
playing drums of course.  Yet in later shots of the band, he doesn't appear.
Anyone know if he ever played on any Cracker tracks?

On a related note, anyone think that Cracker song "I Hate My Generation" sounds
like Cracker have pulled out all the stops in their attempt to reincarnate
themselves as the Pixies?  That scream!

On another related note, does anyone have any new info about the Martinis,
supposedly Lovering and Joey Santiago's new band?  Last I heard, they were still
seeking a label.

Jon

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:07:51 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...


>
> >I'm curious about what other listies play in regular roation on
> >their stereos that isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
> >
> >Jeff Keibel,
> >Toronto, ON
> >CANADA

Recently, in no order:

Innervisions - In the Shadows 12"
Box Saga - Blackfly 12"
Twisted Science - Freedom of Noise 2x12" - and anything else on Leaf!
-everything Welsh! :-P
Techno Animal - Re-Entry / God - Possession
Neuropolitique - Nomenclature
Martyn Bates - Mystery Seas (Letters Written 2)
...lots and lots of Cul de Sac!
Oval - Systemisch
Alec Empire - Generation Star Wars / Low On Ice
Silver Apples - s/t/Contact
Bugskull - Snakland
Witchman - State of Mind ("Offbeat") 12"
Spring Heel Jack - There Are Strings
Sun Dial - Other Way Out
Neutral Milk Hotel - On Avery Island
Circle - Meronia / Zopalki
Eggman - First Fruits (Sice from the 'Radleys' solo bow)
Pieters/Russell/Stapleton - New Glass
Hair and Skin Trading Company - Psychedeique Musiche (Lava Surf Kunst)

... a little bit of everything, but I really couldn't live without all of
these at the moment.
So the world doesn't begin and end with the Cocteau Twins - or even HNIA...

-list subject to change at any given moment.
GuerillaG

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:10:09 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...


On the office playlist:

Eat Static "Abduction" (techno don't come no better)
DJ Krush "Strictly Turntablized" (definitive trip-hop)
Salt "Auscultate" (more TooPurish than 4ADish, great angry rock from
Sweden)
Husikesque "Green Blue Fire" (techno-pop)
"Hooked On Classics" mix tape I've been meaning to send to Gil for a
month now but I can't pry it out of my tape player (Glass, Reich, Riley,
Satoh, Nyman, Ligeti & other usual suspects)

Even less thislisty, mood music for home:
Benny Goodman -- any of the 3 big-band "best of" CDs on Columbia
Joe Jackson "Jumpin' Jive"
Kronos Quartet Performs Philip Glass
"Blue Note Blend 2" comp from Starbucks (lots of great jazz from Blue
Note)

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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:51:04 -0500
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


dan k. wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Jason Curtis wrote:
> > Michael Brook is also responsible for the design and concept of the =
> > Infinite Guitar - which is the one he plays and which gives all those =
> > great sonic twists.
> > The Edge (U2) has been playing his guitars for years....
>
>         infinite guitar meaning that the pickup(s)
>         will sustain the last note(s) played infinitely
>         until the power turns off or another chord is
>         struck?

Funny, I thought all they were doing was playing through a delay pedal....


hk
--
hk@neosoft.com farrago@delphi.com http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm
"your people were really great in 'the joy luck club'!"
 - overheard at mai's (a local vietnamese restaurant)


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:36:47 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Re: cracker/david lovering


I don't think Cracker will ever reincarnate themselves as the Pixies - although
their singles (Low, Movie Star, I Hate My Generation) are all energetic, much
of "Kerosene Hat" and "The Golden Age" sounds like mellow country music (sort
of like Palace Music, but more straightforward).

 I agree about that scream, however...eerie... As for David Lovering, I think
he may have toured with Cracker for Kerosene Hat, but I don't know if he
appears on any recorded tracks.

Barry

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:52:46 -0400
From: "WILLIAM D. BARRY" (BARRYWD@GWSMTP.NU.COM)
Subject: cracker/david lovering -Reply


Ii hate my generation is somewhat of an anomoly for the new album most of rest
is mellow,  been playing it a lot, recommend it for camper and non-radio song
Cracker fans
the only Martinis song i have seen is on the Empire Records soundtrack...

bill b.

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:36:56 -0400
From: Lesley Barnett (barnettl@DICKINSON.EDU)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...


>I'm curious about what other listies play in regular roation on
>their stereos that isn't remotely 4AD-ish...
>
the cardigans- life
heavenly- the decline and fall of- heavenly
the machines- simple machine compilation
beat happening- beat happening
why pop stars can't dance compilation
...and a lovely little mix tape from my friend matt....but that's in my
car....does it count..i'm always in my car....
                                                        lesley

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:45:16 -0500
From: Jason Marc Morehead (00161068@BIGRED.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: The Rentals


>    Yeah, there seems to be kind of a moog revival going on these days...you've
> got the Rentals, Stereolab, Six Finger Satellite...there's even a moog album o

> covers of popular grunge/rock favorites (Neil Young's 'Rocking in the Free
> World' being one of the best!) called, I think, Moog Cookbook.
>
> Alex
>

i heard "moog cookbook" while browsing at zero street records.  pretty
cool stuff. and the cover of "smells like teen spirit" made me laugh.
still, it's not exactly something i would spend money on, seeing as
how i'd only listen to it once or twice.  still, it's a great and
novel concept...

jason


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:18:52 -0400
From: Bernal Koehrsen (BKoehrsen@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Tokyo Salamander


I worked at Borders and ran a year long search for it to no avail. We tried
publishers in England as well as Japan..no luck. I'd love to know about it
also if there is any info available. b


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:31:54 -0700
From: Matt DeBellis (caruso@NANDO.NET)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...


Here's what I've been spinning lately minus the usual 4AD stuff:

1.Jesus Lizard - "Pure"
2.Swirlies - "They Spent Their Wild, Youthful Days..."
3.Lois - "Strumpet"
4.Magnetic Fields - "Holiday"
5.Throwing Muses - cassette demo 1985
6.Vomit Launch - "Not Even Pretty +"
7.Unrest - "B.P.M."
8.Swervedriver - "Raise"
9.Barbara Manning - "Lately I Keep Scissors"
10.Sea & Cake - "Nassau"

Matt

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:11:13 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


> He has also
>recorded an album with Peter Nooten (sp?) for 4AD.  A track from that album
>was
>covered by This Mortal Coil on "Filligree and Shadow"--the original version
>appears on the TMC box set, and it is BEAUTIFUL.

That collab. is called _Sleeps with the Fishes_.  As anyone on this list that
owns it can attest this is one of *the* most beautiful works released on 4AD.
 I place this one above all other Brook's works, which goes without saying.
The only kicker in trying to acquire it, is that it is not domestic (I'm, of
course, speaking for us folks here in the U.S., if you're from the U.K. fear
NOT!  This cd is domestic to you.  For the listies in Sri Lanka and
Madagascar mail me private and I'll check your situation). This disc,
however, is still in print (I believe) and definitely worth your time and
trouble in tracking it down.  

Non-4AD listening currently:

hmmm.

I don't remember the conversation about *other* labels, so I have nothing to
add I suppose :(
Sure, I've heard that they exist, but it's nothing but pure speculation.


jason

srilank@aol.com

ps- I have an old record from when I was 7 with songs from the show Zoom.  I
don't remember the label, however.  Damn.






















I tried.


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:36:43 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: isn't remotely...


    Spacemen 3. Spectrum. Spiritualized. Darkside.
    Sonic Boom. E.A.R.
    Silvania.
    Lovesliescrushing.
    Pram.
    Laika.
    Seefeel.
    My Bloody Valentine.
    Spacetime Continuum.
    Brian Eno.
    Aphex Twin.
    Suicide. Velvet Underground.
    Rise and Fall of a Decade.
    ...etc...


     Regards.
            Wilder.

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:49:30 -0400
From: the mystery parade (tmp@EARTHLINK.NET)
Subject: Re: lisa germano


>Lisa Germano is one of my favorite "active" 4AD acts.  Happiness is actually a
>reissue of the Columbia album of the same name (released in 1993)

Actually, it was on Capitol Records, not Columbia.

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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:35:16 EDT
From: "Barry A. Mathews" (Barry.A.Mathews@VALLEY.NET)
Subject: Sleeps WIth the Fishes


>The only kicker in trying to acquire it, is that it is not domestic (I'm, of
>course, speaking for us folks here in the U.S., if you're from the U.K. fear
>NOT!  This cd is domestic to you.  For the listies in Sri Lanka and
>Madagascar mail me private and I'll check your situation). This disc,
>however, is still in print (I believe) and definitely worth your time and
>trouble in tracking it down.  

I'm pretty sure that you can get this particular disk ("Sleeps With the
Fishes") directly from Tower Records (dialing their 1-800-ASK-TOWE), and I
think the price they gave me was lower than most imports (under twenty bucks).
I called last November and they had it.

Barry

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:58:48 -0700
From: "C. Kemnitz" (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Barry A. Mathews wrote:

> I know a little bit about Michael Brook: ...
> Michael continues to make music, usually collaborating.  Check out the very
> recent "Night Music" on RealWorld (Peter Gabriel's label), which is Michael
> Brook and Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, a Pakastani singer.

The more i listen to this album the more i love it!

> Michael has been on another
> RealWorld release not too long ago, but I can't remember the name of the perso

> he collaborated with.  I belive that it was an Indian singer, but I'm not
> certain.  If you like the instrumental quality of Brook's solo releases, you
> may not be as enamored of his collaborations.

Actually, it's an Indian instrumentalist, U. Srinivas.

Both these RealWorld releases are, as you might expect from RealWorld,
World Music (not "world beat") so if your musical tastes
don't venture further than the Euro-American borders then go crawl
back under your rock (um, i mean, listen before
you buy).  The NFA Khan collaboration has lively songs with a
more western song structure and length (short songs w/ vocals) but the
singing is decidedly NFA Khan (i.e., NON-western).  There's even an
upbeat dancey number in there! (Don't think disco, or 80's extended remix,
think Pakistani-Trip-Hop.)  The U. Srinivas
collaboraion is much more ambient (both Indian ambient and western
ambient) with relatively long songs and no vocals (or virtually none).

Live at the Aquarium and Cobalt Blue cover much of the same territory and
i consider them redundant.  Pick one and go with it.  They're both good
and have their own merits.

-cz


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:59:37 -0400
From: "James P. Crimm" (jcrimm@MOOSE.UVM.EDU)
Subject: Re: curve = echobelly guy?


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There are 27 messages totalling 764 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Opinions requested (4)
  2. DCD 'Sinful Garden'
  3. Orvill's Lessons (2)
  4. Information about RHP's "Ocean Beach" (3)
  5. Throwing Muses in LA 2-20-95 (I) (2)
  6. cindytalk tour-mpls query
  7. the two members of AIR MIAMI that used to play bass and drums
  8. Warm Miami May (again)
  9. signing off [was: HNIA Question Repost]
 10. jeff buckley & thE thE
 11. cindyTalking some more... (3)
 12. SCRAPING THE PAVEMENT
 13. Record stores in New York
 14. TM rocked reasonably but generically
 15. Could I have a show of hands from...
 16. TeenBeat and Air Miami  was: Re: the two members of AIR MIAMI that =
used to
     play bass and drums
 17. Throwing Muses in LA 2-20-95 (II)
 18. Moving the 4AD List?

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:51:37 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: Opinions requested


On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Nadim Baki-Zada wrote:

> What does everyone think of the following:
> Liquorice
> Air Miami
> Scheer
>
> I recently purchased a used copy of the Mojave 3 album and was a =
little
> disappointed. It's not really bad or anything, just to monotone for =
me.
> Basically it really all sounds the same and dull.
> Should I even bother investing in the above mentioned bands/albums???
>
> -nb- Black is the shadow of my soul
>
I agree with you on the Mojave 3.  Air Miami flat out sucks donkey balls
and could very well be the worst release to ever carry the 4AD label.  =
Shame.
Liquorice is good, but doesn't break any new ground.

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:54:29 -0800
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: DCD 'Sinful Garden'


I've got this bootleg, and it's got some DCD tracks I've never heard
before.  As for sound qualtiy, I don't have other bootlegs to reference
to, but the sound seems "distant", and not really in front of you(as is
Towards the Within).  I'd get it just for the unreleased stuff.

On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group wrote:

> Does anyone have the Dead Can Dance (bootleg) 'Sinful Garden'?  I saw =
it in a
> mail order catalog and wondered if any one had any comments on tracks, =
sound
> quality, etc.
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
> thomulka.worldgroup@notes.compuserve.com
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:20:34 -0600
From: zelzah (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: Orvill's Lessons


At 10:06 AM 2/21/96 -0500, you wrote:
>yes its true that the way to succeed in business is to do one thing
>better than anyone else. As long as it remains clear that Microsoft's
>forte has been marketing and NOT quality software.What was that =
beautiful
>line someone wrote about convincing the lemmings to consume a floopy =
disc
>full of feces?
>
>
....this is not very 4ad-ish, then again, nothing on this list isn't =
that
way anymore.  was it ever?
anyway, Microsoft *DOES* make quality software.  and i will think
differently whenever i start having troubles with mine.  i haven't so =
far....
so what's the big deal?

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:11:40 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Information about RHP's "Ocean Beach"


        _Ocean Beach_ has 9 listed tracks, plus an extra unlisted thing
at the end called "Brockwell Park No. 2". The album is largely acoustic,
and is somewhat more close, rather than spacey and distant like their
preceding albums. I think it's their best one.

                          =3D>} End CD tyranny. {<=3D

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:24:21 -0700
From: BOYDB@VAX4.CSMC.EDU
Subject: Throwing Muses in LA 2-20-95 (I)


        The Throwing Muses played at the Whiskey last night.  A band =
named
Muzzle opened for them.
        As for Muzzle, I couldn't imagine why they opened for the =
Muses--
someone must have owed someone a favor.  Muzzle's trite attempt to be =
"indie"
was only exacerbated by their luxuriant equipment, lack of vulnerability =
and
insight, and overwhelmingly cliche lyrics and stage "presence."  Other =
than
some nice melodic twists between the 2-guitars and bass, I was almost =
offended. I felt like these guys were rich kids recently out of college =
who asked each
other "Hey let's do a band thing before we have become consultants like =
our
Dad's!"  I could have sworn that the bass player was thinking "Hey! Why =
aren't
they into us? we rock!"
        On the other side of the galaxie--was the Throwing Muses.  =
Kirstin came
out with her head shaved (with Annie Lenno length blond hair) and said, =
"If you
want to dye your hair black, you'll have to shave it off to grow your =
own hair
back!"  She opened with a new song.
        Muses die-hards were throwing flowers, "I LUV U's," and shrieks. =
Howeverthere were two guys there--let's call them the "dynamic duo"--who =
couldn't
contain their enthusiasm or their elbows.  After jostling your humble =
narrator
they attempted to surf from the back of the floor crowd.  Didn't they =
know
that these sad, pensive, percocious, and sensitive listeners would let =
them fall
of their own volition?  If that wasn't enough of a crowd litmus test, =
they
fought on to raise the devils amongst the muses--until an obscenely =
large
bouncer suggested with his barrel chest that they ought to relax.  By =
the
first encore the dynamic duo, backing each other up for "having fun," =
took on
the bouncer and lost.  They were arrested by police--tsk tsk tsk.
        Kirstin was deluged by requests and personal questions, taking =
them in
stride with a flat-footed witty grace.  She wove a patchwork quilt of =
old, new
and un-recorded songs.  Shen mentioned the new songs "would be coming =
out in
August..." (see part II)

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 02:16:01 -0400
From: K- (ash@DHP.COM)
Subject: Re: Information about RHP's "Ocean Beach"


hi geoff,

congratulations on getting rhp's second lp. it's fab, isn't it. i am
an absolutely huge fan of the band so i suppose i'm a bit biased but
here's the lowdown, not only on 'ocean beach' but the others as well,
so that you can make informed decisions.

red house painters first cd is called 'down colorful hill'. it is more
or less a collection of demos, supposedly given to ivo (director of
4ad) by mark eitzel of american music club, who by the way, if you've
not heard of them, are also very good in the same soul-baring rhp way.
anyway, it's got only 6 tracks, all of which are really, really good
though very stripped-down sounding. there is only one kinda rockin'
tune called 'lord kill the pain' (by rockin i mean tempo-wise and
somewhat loud, louder and faster than mistress). 'japanese to
english', 'michael' and 'medicine bottle' contain some of the most
heartfelt lyrics ever. great stuff!

the second you have, so you already know, it's amazing. probably their
best overall, though i like most everything they've ever done.

the third, also self-titled like the second lp for some strange
reason, is a collection of all the stuff they wanted to put on the
second lp but 1) didn't have the room and 2) didn't quite fit the
album in terms of tone or sound. the result is a slightly more
eclectic and jumbled bunch than the one you have. each track, however,
is wonderful by itself in its own way. stand out tracks (for me, oh,
there are 9 all together, by the way) are 'evil', 'helicopter' and
'blindfold', though they also do covers of simon and garfunkel's 'i am
a rock' and america's national anthem 'the star spangled banner' (the
latter of which took me a while to get used to)

the fourth, the one you asked about, is 'ocean beach'. i have to say.
in all honesty, i think this is their least strong work though it's
grown on me immensely. it is kind of a short album. the first track is
an instrumental, kind of blah if you ask me, i love them mostly for
mark kozelek's tremendous voice and lyrics. the second is 'summer
dress', their "single" track. slow and pretty, but not much to carry
it. third is 'san geronimo', really long, really noisy and really
good. fourth is 'shadows', completely piano driven and very pretty,
though mark's voice doesn't quite seem to reach all the notes he's
trying for (i still love it). fifth is 'over my head', a jazzy number
which i personally feel is their worst track ever. it's not even that
awful, just not as good by comparison. sixth is a two and a half
minute/three minute 'red carpet', kind of haunting and strange,
seventh is 'brockwell park' which is one of my two or three faves on
the album. 'moments' is next. pretty good but not great. and last is
'drop' the lp's best track and one of their best songs to date.
oh, there's also a crap little instrumental which is actually
'brockwell park II', though it's not listed anywhere.

also floating around if you get really into them is the 'shock me' ep.
two slightly different versions of kiss's 'shock me', 'sundays and
holidays' (great), 'three legged cat' (hysterical) and another
unlisted, untitled instrumental which ranks with the prettiest
instrumentals i've ever heard.

and if you get really, really into them, look for the only other
available tracks:
mistress (remix) - on a promo cd single and 4ad's 7 year itch comp
uncle joe (original version) - on volume 5 comp (better than the 3rd
lp version)

well, that's about all i can think of. hope this does you well. if i
can be of any assistance let me know (i.e. picking anything up in the
u.s. that for whatever reason you can't get in australia). you can
look me up, if you need to on my webpage http://www.dhp.com/~ash
which is a site i made up for the band lowlife. ever heard of them?
Will Heggie, the bassist, used to be in cocteau twins but dropped out
and started the equally amazing band lowlife, from grangemouth,
scotland. check it out, if you want.

hey! if you hear about any cheap airfare to or from the states, let me
know! the love of my life is (unfortunately) in Yagoona, N.S.W., and
until i get her to move out here (after she finishes university,
hopefully) i need to get myself out there every six months or so.
do you know where Yagoona is?
oh well. it sucks to fall in love with someone who lives halfway
around the world. don't do it.

take care,
          K-

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:41:54 -0500
From: Deanna Phillips (dp@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: cindytalk tour-mpls query


On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, drew rosielle wrote:

>
> Black Tape for a Blue Girl soundbyte review:  just bought the Lush =
Garden
> Within or whatever by them and i've decided they are whiny, =
self-absorbed
> bores.
>


Hahahah. I had suspected as much. I've been seeing projekt's ads for
"ethereal gloom doom goth" or whatever for years and it just somehow
*bothered* me that they would advertise the music that way. Reminds me =
of
what a reviewer said about Tori Amos (banish the name) in our local =
indie

The older I get (25 now) the more disgusted I am with bands made up of
people my age or even older displaying the emotional maturity of
adolescents.


Just a rant, of course. I still have never heard anything on Projekt
but Attrition, and they were ok.

deanna

dp@iglou.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:49:51 -0500
From: Deanna Phillips (dp@IGLOU.COM)
Subject: Re: Orvill's Lessons


On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, zelzah wrote:

> ....this is not very 4ad-ish, then again, nothing on this list isn't =
that
> way anymore.  was it ever?
> anyway, Microsoft *DOES* make quality software.  and i will think
> differently whenever i start having troubles with mine.  i haven't so =
far....
> so what's the big deal?
>

I think we are talking about principles vs. real objects (ie software)
here. Microsoft *is* the overdog. This is a mailing list for obscure
bands on an independent record label. I think the reason why you see
animosity toward Microsoft is the same reason why this is not the Sony =
or
RCA or Capitol mailing list...

If Microsoft were a record label, it might have already run 4AD out of
business, and we would all be talking about the latest Elton John =
release.

deanna

dp@iglou.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:39:19 EST
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: the two members of AIR MIAMI that used to play bass and drums


just when you thought it was safe to get back in the water...

I saw Air Miami last Friday night at James Madison Univ. in Harrisonburg
VA.  They opened for (gulp) Mojo Nixon.  Their set was regretfully short
unless you believe in the "leave 'em wanting more" principle.
I really had heard very little of the Air Miami project, but am a die-
hard fan now.(love that there is still such a vital scene going on
in DC/Northern Virginia.)  Pure pop pleasure.  One of those bands that
makes me realize why and how very much I love the guitar - groovy.

gay

Gay Church
University of Virginia, Health Sciences Center
lgc2c@virginia.mcc.edu
804-924-2930

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:41:09 EST
From: LGC2C@DMT03.MCC.VIRGINIA.EDU
Subject: Warm Miami May (again)


just when you thought it was safe to get back in the water...
And furthermore...

When I saw Air Miami last week, I didn't get a chance to talk to them,
but does anyone know anything about the bassist?  He looks so familiar-
can't place him.

gay

Gay Church
University of Virginia, Health Sciences Center
lgc2c@virginia.mcc.edu
804-924-2930

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:45:24 CST
From: ariane181@DALLAS.EMAIL.NET
Subject: signing off [was: HNIA Question Repost]


dear jens and everyone,

(i would have sent this to jens but i was worried he would delete it!)

i am super-sorry i have been bothering the list about unsubscribing =
since
december, but i *don't* want to be here! i have tried everything i =
possibly
can but whenever i sent the "sign-off" message, it tells me that i am =
not
ever subscribed. :(

there is nothing in that god-forsaken faq that indicates what i should =
do
about it and the stupid list-administator will not write me back!!! >:(

the only solution i have derived is to cancel my e-mail account and =
bounce
all this mail back to the list, but i am really hesitant to do this =
because
it is very evil and immoral and a rotten thing to do. but i don't want =
to be
on this list anymore!

thank you bluebelknol for you help. you have been the only considerate =
person
here throughout all this. if it comes to the point where i have to =
bounce
mail to the list, i hope you will accept my apologies.

unhappily yours,
janice ariane

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:30:02 -0500
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: jeff buckley & thE thE


while scanning the liner notes of jeff buckley's cd 'grace', i
noticed a Matt Johnson listed in the credits. As there was no "matt
johnson appears courtesy of epic records", im assuming its a different =
guy.
anyone confirm/deny this?

p.s. as an ordained priest of every church imaginable, i hereby banish
the evil spirit which has been posessing list members and making them
talk trash both pro- and con- a certain software manufacturer. banish it
to the alt.trash.talk newsgroup.  in the name of all things relevant and
beautiful (4AD, for example), i banish this daemon to virtual hell.

thanx

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:12:52 -0500
From: Sargent David Edward (desarg@MAIL.WM.EDU)
Subject: Re: cindyTalking some more...


if you go to one of the cindytalk dates, you'll be able to pick up
"wappinschaw" and "in this world" for the low, low price of $15! how's
that for ya's. they (involved design) might even have the new(?) one in
to sell you. oh, first things first, involved design is a graphic arts
group out of boston that is reissuing the cindytalk cd's and is
sponsoring the tour. nice folks.
also, they will be selling cindytalk tees for $15. too steep for my
chest. cool design tho'.
ok, back to lush-bashing.
dave (desarg@mail.wm.edu)

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:21:42 -0500
From: JoeJanecek@AOL.COM
Subject: SCRAPING THE PAVEMENT


I will provide Scraping The Pavement tour dates as soon as I can get =
some
confirmation.

joe
wb

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:30:17 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: cindyTalking some more...


Marvyn writes:
>I am trying to find his other two releases (in this world) and =
(wappinshaw)
>but so far everyone wants around $20 for them.

There are two others: "Camouflage Heart" (1984) and "The Wind Is Strong"
(1990???)

The only two Cindytalk releases I have are "In This World" -- which is
worth much more than $20, pay any price for it; and "Camouflage Heart" =
--
which I'd pay regular price for but not $20.

And you have the UK "Garlands" with the Peel Sessions, right? Some very
nice Gordon Sharp on there, even if it's just backing vox.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
             Ask not for whom the refrigerator hums:
             It hums for thee.                   _______________________
                                                 www.inow.com/~jens/Jens

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:43:43 -0600
From: "M. Wade Chamberlainn" (chamberlainw@YVAX.BYU.EDU)
Subject: Record stores in New York


A very good freind of mine just moved to New York and has not gotten on
line yet.  However, he requested that I post a message asking list
members "where are the good places to buy records and cds in New York."
Specifically places that carry 4AD, Teenbeat, Sarah and other similar
labels.  I will in turn relay the info to him over the phone.  He also
said that The Amps, That Dog and the Foo Fighters will be playing there
on March 14.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:25:02 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Opinions requested


Air Miami's album is pleasant but hardly a revelation. Similar to Unrest
but with a bit more variety in sound (probably due to Guy Fixsen's
production) including some (gasp) synths and (gasp) bits of beatbox. One
song is a total homage to early New Order, another to the Pixies. =
Bridget
has some very pretty soft little tunes that are among my favorites.
Overall I don't like it quite as much as Unrest since it lacks the
introspective droning quality that a lot of Unrest's best moments
("Isabel", "Angel I Will Walk You Home", "Vibe Out") had.

I've heard little bits of Liquorice, and for my money you'd be better =
off
getting either of Tsunami's albums first (though not the "World Tour"
comp.)

Scheer sound promising -- but I've been known to sing along to
Soundgarden on the car radio so take this with a grain of salt. I'm
waiting to see if their stuff will be released in the US before I invest
any money in them.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
             Ask not for whom the refrigerator hums:
             It hums for thee.                   _______________________
                                                 www.inow.com/~jens/Jens

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:05:21 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: cindyTalking some more...


It's merely a matter of all Cindytalk releases being
imports, which are always priced over $20. In fact if you
can find ANY imports for as low a price as $20, you're
getting a good deal. Usually the best I can do around
here is $23.95, although sometimes Virgin has cheaper
prices, but an odd selection.

And while we're on prices of CDs, I think it's a crime that
the standard price at of a CD at Tower is now $15.99. With
tax that's well over $17, a price I can remember paying for
IMPORTS back in '88. Needless to say, I don't even consider
shopping there anymore. I can usually find what I'm looking for
at smaller stores for much cheaper, say $11.99 to $13.99.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:32:36 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: TM rocked reasonably but generically


I'll admit my expectations were extremely high for
seeing Throwing Muses a few nights ago, so I probably
couldn't help being disappointed, but even so (and the
other 2-part post seems to back me up on this) I thought
they were just merely OK. "I should have known... I
should have known" kept running through my head, since
the only other time I saw them was on the Sugar / Boo Radleys
tour a few years ago, and this was right after Red Heaven came
out. They sounded half-baked then, and they sounded the same
on Monday night (I missed them at AVAM).
They did play some good songs (although I
could have easily done without Pearl and Furious... obviously
Red Heaven is my least favorite album). The first four off
of University were good to hear, and Snakeface was among the
best of the night, along with the "blow jobs" song from
the first album. But something just didn't work. Kristin sounded
really hoarse, like she had wrecked her voice days before,
the band sounded far from tight and bogged down in a sludgey
mix, and nothing really leapt out and grabbed me by the throat
like much of University does. They were competent but not
driven. And somebody *has* to break it to the band that they
just *cannot* play Counting Backwards anymore. It sounds terrible
without Tanya Donnelly. Ehhh. Maybe next time I'll see them
blow the doors off the place.

A statement for the FAQ:
Get Ms. Hersh's name right! It's spelled "Kristin"
not "Kristen". Two "i"s and no "e".

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:30:53 -0800
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Opinions requested


I agree with Jens about Liquorice. To me it's just
Tsunami-lite or watered down Grenadine: Light, unobtrusive
pop fare that doesn't hold my interest for very long.
It's nice... just, nice. Nothing revelatory or uncommon
(except for Jenny Toomey's unequalled voice), and so it
just slips though my head leaving barely a trace.

I'll stick with Tsunami's Deep End album. Now that's
pretty close to brilliant.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:46:01 -0600
From: a bear of very little brain (hk@NEOSOFT.COM)
Subject: Could I have a show of hands from...


...everyone who is logged in from the state of Michigan?

I'm just curious as to know what part of the list membership hails from =
the
mitten-shaped state, which has recently become the pulsating center of =
the
universe (at least for yours truly).  Perhaps it's all this talk of
HNIA/Ohio/jj that's got me wondering.

Cheers,


hk
[pining away in the ever-tropical Texas]
--
hk kahng | hk@neosoft.com & farrago@delphi.com
         | http://www.neosoft.com/~hk/home.htm

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:49:17 -0800
From: Micah Newman (mnewman@WESTMONT.EDU)
Subject: Re: Information about RHP's "Ocean Beach"


>> the fourth, the one you asked about, is 'ocean beach'. i have to say.
in all honesty, i think this is their least strong work though it's
grown on me immensely. it is kind of a short album. the first track is
an instrumental, kind of blah if you ask me, i love them mostly for
mark kozelek's tremendous voice and lyrics. the second is 'summer
dress', their "single" track. slow and pretty, but not much to carry
it. third is 'san geronimo', really long, really noisy and really
good. fourth is 'shadows', completely piano driven and very pretty,
though mark's voice doesn't quite seem to reach all the notes he's
trying for (i still love it). fifth is 'over my head', a jazzy number
which i personally feel is their worst track ever. it's not even that
awful, just not as good by comparison. sixth is a two and a half
minute/three minute 'red carpet', kind of haunting and strange,
seventh is 'brockwell park' which is one of my two or three faves on
the album. 'moments' is next. pretty good but not great. and last is
'drop' the lp's best track and one of their best songs to date.
oh, there's also a crap little instrumental which is actually
'brockwell park II', though it's not listed anywhere. <<

        Not 'crap'. Disregard all this and just buy the album.

                          =3D>} End CD tyranny. {<=3D

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:26:56 -0500
From: the Trelesta Guardian (winter.solstice@WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: TeenBeat and Air Miami was: Re: the two members of AIR =

MIAMI that
         used to play bass and drums

>>Can anybody tell me what happened to the two members of AIR MIAMI that
>>used to play bass and drums but now it's just Mark Robinson, the
>>beautiful Bridget Cross, and a drummer who, although I can't remember
>>the name, is not the same as the drummer before.  Does anyone know?
>
>Don't know what ex-drummer Mike Fellows is up to, but Lauren Feldsher =
is=3D
 now
>in Viva Satellite doing a kind of 60's musical stuff, with ex-Eggs Rob
>Christiansen. They did a 7" on Happy Go Lucky , called 'Episode D'Amour
>Matinee' (HAPPY 002) -with 2 French types, a 7" on TeenBeat, called
>'Leonardo' (TB 146) and they have just released a really wonderful CD,
>'Nishma' (TB 186).

whoa! TeenBeat fans exist in this world!=3D20
(swank kudos to all mark robinson worshippers - drop me e-mail sometime! =
if
you live in Arlington, get a job at the TBstudio and we can chat.)

Report on another ex-Unr=3DE8st drummer Phil Krauth:
        His solo album, released on TeenBeat sometime last year, didn't =
sell
*too* well. but it wasn't bad either, it sold well at GO! cd's. most of =
the
songs are pop-melodrama. Who knew he had it in him?
        He also played drums for a small local (Glen Echo, Maryland) =
band
called Puck, led on vocals and guitar by a girl named Puck. It's zany, =
and
proves that lofi is still in.

I miss unrest. sigh.

drew
(I normally make sense. but not when I'm elated. I'm elated now..)

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:46:41 PST
From: "Jon Jorstad (PRO)" (a-jonj@MICROSOFT.COM)
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses in LA 2-20-95 (II)


Interesting, my impressions of their Seattle show last week (2/14) are
quite similar.  I was also disappointed, thought they were flat, and
that drummer Narcizo seemed unhappy about something, perhaps about the
band's direction.  Their Feb '95 Seattle show was so much better, the
energy was high, Narcizo's percussion was much higher in the mix and he
was simply incredible.  (This was the 1st show in the University tour.)

At this year's show, the sound was so shitty it was impossible to
appreciate the new songs, although I'm sure I'll eventually like them.
I cannot for the life of me understand how the musicians can tolerate
such terrible sound.  I'd walk off the fucking stage!  Very muddy and
distorted.  The bass drowned everything else out.  I guess it's OK that
Kristin allows her vocals to be overwhelmed in the concert mix, but
it'd be nice to hear the guitar and drums!  If I wasn't hopelessly in
love with the band, I would've left myself.  Very frustrating.

I look forward to the new album, but the Muses are not in good form
right now.  I hope I just caught them on a bad night.

Jon
----------
>
>this is part II--you'll probably get it first ironically
>with the new songs--"Coming out in August," according to Kristen.  I =
have to
>say that this show was a far cry from the one at the Troubador, during =
the
>"All Virgos Are Mad" festival.  Kristen was quite mellow, reminding us =
not to
>constantly request "the sad songs" as well as self-deprecating in her =
remarks
>about new material not being "rockin' enough for you =
guys...wimpy...etc."
>        She was happy and healthy in her space on stage.  For those of =
us who
>liked her driven intensity, we were not cheated, but pleasantly =
surprised by
>her new approach.  However, the rest of the band seemed to lag off and
on.  The
>lack of their synergy really dampened the show for me.  At one point =
Kristen
>remarked that "the drummer and the bassist are fighting--look at them."
>        The highlight of the show for me was a solo performance by =
Kristen.
>She sang a gorgeous song with a sleek pop hook which I imagine will be =
called
>"Serene."  The lyrics for the chorus went "sweet nothing/sweet =
dreams/serene"
>it was really powerful for me.  A few other unrecognizable (hence new =
songs)
>were really poppy, reminding of--dare I say--Belly.  Yet they had that =
depth,
>that Kristen se quoi, which really makes them Throwing Muses songs.  =
Overall
>I was bummed out, after being blown out the doors of the Troubador =
n e.g. this list the admin could get paid
$100 a month. Seems a decent inducement for dealing with the messes of
running a mailing list. It'll probably never work until we have a decent
cybercash system, though.)

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
             Ask not for whom the refrigerator hums:
             It hums for thee.                   _______________________
                                                 www.inow.com/~jens/Jens

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:12:11 -0800
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Opinions requested


> I agree with Jens about Liquorice. To me it's just
> Tsunami-lite or watered down Grenadine: Light, unobtrusive
> pop fare that doesn't hold my interest for very long.

Allow me to disagree.  Liquorice was the most exciting album of 1995 for
me.  Some of my friends share the opinion.  Sure, it's pop, sure it's =
not
"ground-breaking" (well, the song type isn't, but I'd argue that the
recording/mixing is), but it's *good*!  I've never heard a pop album =
that
did so much for me (Date of Birth comes close, thanks kent).  It's an
exceptional release in a well-traveled, tired genre.

> I'll stick with Tsunami's Deep End album. Now that's
> pretty close to brilliant.

However, I haven't started to really like Deep End yet...

Mike

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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:45:55 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: some Silvania's lyrics.


    This is an extract i put to Avalyn-L, hope you'll like it.
    The topic of discusion was the suposed sweet pornography feeling
        of their music, so i just put the lyrics of some songs
------------------------------



        Paisaje III:
    -"Eva sobre Eva" -trans. "Eva over Eva", the lyrics of the song
        are metaphoras about lesbians, eg: "y el tiempo ilumina sus
        rostros excitados,...sus cuerpos de ninas" (trans." and the
        time lights her stired faces...her girl's bodys"
    -"Nudo de cielo y delfin" ("Knot from heaven and dolphin")
        "...huele a tu cuerpo...en mi sed, en mi lengua...arde
        siempre..." (trans.: "Smells like your body...in my thirst,
        in my tongue...always burn...".

        Actually is very difficult to understand all what they say.
        But in "En cielo de Oceano" comes all the lyrics, here are
        some:

    -"Oval": "Acaso no escuchas batiendose bajo el cielo de acuario
        anunciandote que mi amor viene al fin por ti. (t: "Perhaps
        you don't listen flapping under the aquarium's heaven
        announcing that my love comes at last for you".

    -"Maldoror":"El caos sabe tu nombre lo se por tus ojos por tu
        boca por tu sexo por tus alas".(t:"The caos knows your name I
        know by your eyes by your mouth by your sex by your wings"

    -"Aura y tu" ("Breeze and you"): "Las mas bellas rosas arden bajo
        tus pies y bajo las rosas arde mi cabeza envuelta en mil
        curvas en luz en azules mi alma es una serpiente blanca te
        elevas y me quitas el alma y acambio me das silencio y vapor
        de agua si tu respiras eres Dios si suspiras un demonio de
        amor" ("The beautiest roses burn under your foot and under
        the roses burns mi head involve in thousand curves in light in
        blues my soul is a white serpent you rise and substractme the
        soul and in exchange you give me silence and water's vapor if
        you breathe you're God if you suspire a demon of Love")


        All you that love slowdive's sound so much, should listen
this beauty, really should.

        Take care.

                Wilder.


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:41:25 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Twins in LA ticket


I have an extra ticket for the june 24th cocteau twins show at the Mayan
theater in LA.
Anyone interested? Please reply privately.

I will sell it for face value since the person that was going with me needs
the cash.

thanks all

-nb-

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:52:37 -0500
From: Read Dawkins (jeheindl@AMHERST.EDU)
Subject: Re: curve = echobelly guy?


Actually, the woman in Echobelly who was formerly in Curve is Deb?  I
think that's her name.  She's the "obligatory black lesbian".  At least
that's what an interview from a while back calls her.

jeh

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:04:15 -0700
From: Jon Drahn (pdrahn@PDRAHN.SEANET.COM)
Subject: Martinis


>the only Martinis song i have seen is on the Empire Records soundtrack...

Really?!!!  Is it any good?  Worth buying the whole soundtrack for, which I seem
to remember had mainly grunge on it?

Jon

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:44:35 -0700
From: Jake Reichert (reicja00@DONS.AC.USFCA.EDU)
Subject: Trades anyone?


Okay, kids.  Here it is.  I finally put together a list of everything I'm
currently looking for, as well as everything I currently have.  If you're
interested in trading tapes for anything I have, or selling me your unwanted
Lonely Is An Eyesore deluxe boxes (or maybe some of your other stuff), take
a look:


If you have questions about track listings for any of the items I have, feel
free to email me.  Some of it is promo-only, and probably has some tracks
you don't have.

Jake

Who's gonna be doing Web Pages for the Acadamy of Sciences in GG Park
instead of paying his parking tickets (I love SF)...


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:34:20 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Michael Brook


Here's a trivia tidbit for you Michael Brook fans
(and I live in Toronto and I remember):

Michael Brook used to be a member of the
Toronto new wave band Martha and the Muffins
who had a few hits, the biggest being Echo Beach.
Ironically Michael is at the peak of his career
whereas Mark Gane and Martha Stewart
who later became M+M, are doing nothing.
I'm not sure how many albums with Martha
and the Muffins he did outside of the first.

Steve

***********************************************************
You wanna see me? Know about me?
Look on this web page under Stevenn:

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Steven Venn, b.f.a. - Graphic Designer
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Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1

(905) 884-2601

"Listen pal, you can't just waltz in here, use my toaster
 and spout universal truths without qualification!"
                                                    -Jude from Hal Hartley's
                                                     "Surviving Desire"

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:29:49 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: What I am listening to


What I am listening to.

a track off Nearly God by Tricky  (the Terry Hall one) taped off a local
radio station
Officium - Jan Garbarek
The Lilies
Ennio Morricone Compilation
Scratching Post (from London, Ontario Canada)
Plumtree - Mass Teenage Fainting
Holly McNarland - Sour Pie
Ceremonial - A Tribute to Joy Division (IMHO "the" JD tribute to have)
Rachel's - Music For Egon Schiele
Tom Waits - Heartattack and Vine, Rain Dogs
John Lurie - Down By Law Soundtrack
Preisner's Music - Selections from films scored by Zbigniew Preisner
Deepspace - The Alexia Beach Explorer (a cool  ambient Toronto band)
Waking Up Happy - Bedazzled Compilation
David Sylvian/Holger Czukay - Plight and Premonition
Pulp - Common People
The Legion of Green Men (taped off a radio show)
Michael Brook/Nusfrat Ali Khan - Night Music
Aphex Twin & Phillip Glass Ensemble - Donkey Rhubarb

that's all I can remember at the moment from the
last 2 weeks or so.

Steve

***********************************************************
You wanna see me? Know about me?
Look on this web page under Stevenn:

Atelier Design Communications
Steven Venn, b.f.a. - Graphic Designer
139 Golfclub Court, Richmond Hill,
Ontario, CANADA L4C 5E1

(905) 884-2601

"Listen pal, you can't just waltz in here, use my toaster
 and spout universal truths without qualification!"
                                                    -Jude from Hal Hartley's
                                                     "Surviving Desire"

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:58:47 -0400
From: IvyRecords@AOL.COM
Subject: New Faith & Disease CD


Ivy Records June releases:
-The third full-length CD by Seattle's Faith & Disease is now avaiable.
Seattle and on tour. Also included are "anomaly" tracks; previously
unreleased studio tracks and live tracks from 1992-94.-The debut CD by Ninth
Circle is also out. "Ninth Circle" features male and female harmonies,
guitars and keyboards. Perfectly recorded morose dream-pop in the vein of
perhaps early Clan of Xymox and "From the Hilltop" era Section 25.

More info on how to obtain these (and more) titles? e-mail us.

Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:15:26 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@GOPHER.CHEM.WAYNE.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cocteau Twins News and Updates...

>

the balcony was nice and cool...

On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, daniel klyn wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, James M. Renaud wrote:
> >
> >    the chicago cocteau cancellation seems logical and legit because at the
> > detroit show the twins only performed one encore and it seems at the
> > others the cocteaus did three. a show in england was cancelled as well
> > before the us dates for the same reason.
>
>         what reason was that, again?  i was under the impression
>         that there were no further encores at the detroit sanctum
>         show because it was so goddamn fucking awfully fucking
>         hot in there.  when they switched on the red
>         lights during 'iceblink luck', ...'burn this whole madhouse
>         down'... took on a whole new world of meaning for me.
>
>         overall, i agree with starvein's impression of the show.
>         summerhead was _my_ favorite non-cliffordized song of the
>         evening, and of course Wax and Wane for the cliffordized.
>         yow! they played pandora, too! (i think that's what its called)
>
>         if i had a complaint not regarding the venue, it would be
>         that the setlist seemed to be chosen for the songs'
>         potential to be treated with this newfound trance/dub
>         vibe. monochrome, i was thinking on the drive home...
>
>         but liz sounds better than the last three tours combined,
>         the mark clifford bits are trip-tastic, the twinlightsesque
>         middle bit with rilkean heart and half gifts was tear-inducing.
>         simon seems to be more comfortable than ever, and went off
>         on some nice mini-solos.  liz with wireless mic in full
>         command of the band, using little hand signals to adjust
>         tempo...
>
>         i reeely want them to come back around, and play someplace
>         other than pontiac.
>
>         i will NEVER EVER EVER go to the sanctum again. EVER
>
>         dan
>
>
>

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**************************** http://www.science.wayne.edu/~jrenaud *******
**************************** jrenaud@sun.science.wayne.edu ***************
**************************************************************************
"since feeling is first who pays any attention to the syntax of things" **
***** e.e. cummings ******************************************************
**************************************************************************
**************************************************************************

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:54:02 +1000
From: Arthur Chan (arthurchan@A011.AONE.NET.AU)
Subject: Cocteau Twins


To anyone who's (luck enough to be) going to the Cocteau's gig in the US
and planning to meet the band or just the off chance that you meet them
etc.

Pls. ask them how thay got hooked up with Faye Wong do to a song in their
laters album. I'm just hell curious.

THANX!

ARTC








Arthur Chan
Campus Editor
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 21:21:20 EDT
From: Alan Daniel (alan@MSAI.MEA.COM)
Subject: Re: curve = echobelly guy?


>
>      The Curve member in Echobelly is the bass player, Dean Garcia. He
> is my favorite bass player, because of his funk kind-of licks. I also
> like the feedback drone thing that the other guitar player does. It was
> hard for me to tell just what was going on before I saw them live.
>

dean garcia is not in echobelly, it is debbie.  dean wrote all the guitar/bass
parts.  i interviewed them a few years back... dean was a great guy, while
toni was a pure bitch...  horrible interview.  first off, i had to do it
with two other guys(never again).  after a few remarks from toni towards
me and the other guys, i quit asking questions.  but i did get to hear one
guy who's every question was taken from the bio the label had faxed him... in
the exact order of how the fax presented it.  it's been almost four years,
and that guy still annoys me.  i guess i could give toni a break cause
she was sick.  i did get to see her pastey white bottom when she had to drop
trou for a steriod shot.  wish i would of had a camera.  i can imagine her
chasing me out of the club.

a polar opposite is when i interviewed verve during the tour for _a storm in
heaven_.  just richard ashcroft, a bucket of red stripe, and me on a
questionable balcony overlooking a cool(temperature that is) autumn evening
in atlanta.  we just talked and drank for a hour and a half.  the only thing
that made it remotely seem like an interview was the tape recorder between us.  
e probably would have been out there all night if they didn't have to play.
i'm sure he doesn't remember it cause he was quite stoned(that's a surprise),
but he left a good impression on me.  i'm really going to miss that guy and
his music.

sorry if my two stories bothered you guys, but all this talk about curve
reminded me of that nightmare of an interview i had with them, and i had
to vent once again.

and now for the two students that had absolutely no help from their parents,
i'm idaho

ps. i'm still looking for info on record stores in osaka, kobe, and kyoto.
    some kind soul please respond before i leave monday.


Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:00:51 -0400
From: "Todd C. Zino" (coas.webmaster@LACEMAKER.COM)
Subject: Re: isn't remotely 4AD-ish...

u>

Well, since everyone else has spammed my inbox with such "playlists" and
since none resemble mine, here goes...in the past two weeks:

 In the Nursery - Duality
 Slowdive - Just for a day
 Controlled Bleeding - Headcrack
 Cindytalk - Wappinschaw
 Death in June - Ostenbraun
 Death in June - Brown Book
 Clan of Xymox - Medusa
 Love is Colder than Death - Oxceia
 Cocteau Twins - everything (due to recent concert) all 25 of my CT CDs...
 SPK - Leichenscrei
 My Bloody Valentine - Ecstacy and Wine (shitty tape dub..still willing to
pay high price for the real CD/LP)


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