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Subject: Re: curve recommendation?
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:11:14 +0000
From: Jamin Suwandi (jamin@VIVID.NET)
Subject: 4ad pay checks
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:21:05 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: curve recommendation?
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:15:44 +0800
From: Steve Hollingsworth (steveh@IAP.NET.AU)
Subject: how to charge tix at ticket(rip-off)master
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 02:29:52 -0400
From: ROXCEE@AOL.COM
Subject: curve = echobelly?
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:27:31 +0800
From: Lim Kian Hong (qland@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: Re: curve = echobelly?
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:15:27 -0400
From: Lush Muse (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: curve recommendation?
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:13:34 -0400
From: Lush Muse (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Londoners and Canucks
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:18:37 -0400
From: rotavator (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: What is a quid?
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:17:13 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: curve = echobelly guy?
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:17:42 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: curve recommendation?
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 16:06:44 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: Cocteau Twins (Toronto - Fri. June 14)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 16:10:38 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: THE BLUE NILE'S "Peace at Last" reviewed
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:42:30 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: curve recommendation?
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:05:17 -0400
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: Typeface used in huH
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:33:19 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: SLOWDIVE
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:18:44 +0200
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: DCD in Atlanta or Miami?
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 00:09:12 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: Re: Used Typefaces
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 02:59:11 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)

Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:11:14 +0000
From: Jamin Suwandi (jamin@VIVID.NET)
Subject: Re: curve recommendation?


toni is in the band called scylla.

Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:21:05 -0700
From: "Scott, Mari & Brian" (sten@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: 4ad pay checks


>>How much money do 4-ad artists make in general?
>
>I'm told that 4AD artists earn 500 pounds a year, which in England (or
>Scotland) is enough money to buy a palatial house stocked with slaves.

That's equivilant to about 750 American dollars. Things must be cheap
over there!

Do they (4ad artists) get any kick back for records sold? And what
about all the money they make at concerts? Do 4ad artists have to pay
for the recording of their albums? Do they have to pay for their own
equipment i.e. FX pedals, guitars, amps? Do they have to pay for
promotional stuff to be made like posters, t-shirts, newspaper ads?

Has this been discussed before? Sorry if it has!

                                            Brian


What is a quid? Is that like Busta Rhymes "flip mode and quidod"
Probably not.....


Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:15:44 +0800
From: Steve Hollingsworth (steveh@IAP.NET.AU)
Subject: Re: curve recommendation?


Hey, you shouldn't forget Radio Sessions - the collection of peel sessions
that the band did.

It contains some great versions of songs from the early ep's, along with a
couple from Doppleganger. One of the standouts would have to be the
rendition of Arm's Out (found on the Fait ep), this is just superb.
Actually, I'm not sure if Arm'sOut ever made it onto the US release of the
Fait  ep, anyone ?

I think Radio Sessions gives people like myself who haven't seen the band
live (and unfortunately never will) an indication of what they might have
sounded like outside the studio.

-steve

Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 02:29:52 -0400
From: ROXCEE@AOL.COM
Subject: how to charge tix at ticket(rip-off)master


just use a robinsons-may card.  most rob-may's have a ticketmaster in their
customer service department or by the gift wrapping.  as far as i know this
is the only place you can charge tix.  also, it's highly unlikely to find a
crowd in a department store for cocteau twins or dcd tix!  well, maybe i've
just ruined that notion.

i hope this helps some of you!

~rox


Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:27:31 +0800
From: Lim Kian Hong (qland@PACIFIC.NET.SG)
Subject: curve = echobelly?


thanks guys! a great help... now to source for the elusive $$$...

btw. is curve's guitarist in _echobelly_.. thought i saw the guy in MTV
yesterday....

cheers!!!
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                                    ~Lush~
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:15:27 -0400
From: Lush Muse (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: curve = echobelly?


the person from curve who is now on echobelly is not a guy. her name is
debbie smith and she played guitar w/ curve and plays guitar w/ echobelly.

Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:13:34 -0400
From: Lush Muse (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: curve recommendation?


hey!

does the curve "radio sessions" cd still exist? i've seen it before awhile
back as an import for $20 bucks so i didn't get it...does anyone know how i
can still get a hold of a copy?

thanks!
pete


Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:18:37 -0400
From: rotavator (larry@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Re: Londoners and Canucks


>        as a native of michigan, i can tell you that the Leafs
>        would have no problem kommuning with the Red wings,
>        cuz just like Red wings (federov, kozlov, pa-TEE-zov)
>        , kanadians are kommies too,

Yeah, that's right - all of us. We all have the hammer and sickle tattooed
somewhere on our bodies and work on collective farms all day long, singing
songs about the glory of the tractor.

Stoopid Yankee imperialist pig-dog.

>        and people have to wait in line for free bread and
>        free healthkare in kanada just like in russia
>        (michigan's upper penninsula).

Health care in Canada is NOT free, and baked goods are likewise available
for monetary consideration only, including your pasty, white,
bowel-obstructing so-called "Wonder" "Bread".

>        p.s. and as soon as ontario legalizes marijuana posession,

Don't hold your breath (unless you're inhaling).

>        michigan will most certainly defekt.

Oh joy - hundreds of thousands of refugees from the Oven Mitt-Shaped State.
Time to build the Windsor Wall.


Do svidanya, tovarish

Larrski


Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:17:13 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: What is a quid?


A pound! Like a dollar is a buck.

Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:17:42 -0400
From: Roy Burns (RBNRy@AOL.COM)
Subject: curve = echobelly guy?


>>btw. is curve's guitarist in _echobelly_.. thought i saw the guy in MTV
yesterday....<<

Yes, but she is not a guy.


Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 16:06:44 -0400
From: Gregory Lawrence Smith (gt7003b@PRISM.GATECH.EDU)
Subject: curve recommendation?


I have to agree with Steve - Curve's Radio Sessions is probably the best
disc to have, although the hardest to find.  And i whole-heartedly agree
that Arms Out is a great song.  After hearing it on the Radio Sessions, I
bought the import Fait single (or is it an ep?), and was really
disappointed by the studio version of Arms Out.

For what it is worth, I think Doppleganger is the better studio album (I
LOVE the way Toni coos), and BlackerThreeTracker is my favorite single,
since it has very un-Curve like production styles.

As for the remnants of the band, I had heard a rumour many months ago that
Toni was working with the former members of Xymox as a band called Bud.
Does anyone know anything about this?  And does anyone know anything about
this group Scylla?

-greg
gt7003b@prism.gatech.edu

Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 16:10:38 -0700
From: Jeff Keibel (redshift@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Twins (Toronto - Fri. June 14)


Cocteau Twins rolled into Toronto on Thursday, taking in the sights and
sounds of downtown enjoying a day off prior to their Jun. 14 show at The
Concert Hall.  It was my first time seeing Cocteau Twins live so the
anticipation factor was very high!

Walking up Yonge Street from HMV, myself and a friend noticed a tour bus
heading in the same direction, towards the venue.  Could it be them, we
wondered...  The occupants inside the bus noticed us staring and waved.

Traffic was hellish at the time (Friday at 5, rush hour hell) so we
actually arrived to the venue at the same time as the tour bus did.  It
WAS them!!  We stood on the sidewalk on Davenport, just off Yonge Street
as the tour bus pulled up and parked just a few feet ahead of us.

The bus door opens and...  the whole band deboards and begins walking
towards us.  Robin, Simon, Liz along with Lincoln, Mitsou and Mark
Clifford all walk on by, towards the venue entrance.

I meekly choked out the words "Hi, Robin" as he walked by and the rest of
the band continued their way to the venue doors.  But Robin stopped, said
hello to us and told us they would be able to sign our CD's after the
show.  We were a little lost for words!

Waiting outside the front doors of the venue we heard the band doing
their soundcheck.  A group of twenty fans had gathered by six o'clock,
many of them regulars on 4ad-l and the Treasure site.  It was nice to
chat with other CT fans and exchange views and opinions on things.

I went to the side entrance door for a peek.  The doors were open and the
band was still in the middle of soundchecking.  Roadies were playing
soccer, kicking a ball around the floor as the band played on...

By the time doors opened at around eight, there was a huge crowd gathered
which security guards then assembled into an orderly line up.  The crowd
was let into the venue five at a time.

After chowing down on a hot dog and drinking a $2.25 can of Coke that the
venue so nicely provided, opening act Spain took the stage.  Imagine, if
you will, a Red House Painters styled slowsy-ish music, kind of like as
if Pixies songs were all slowed down and played like the UK Surf
version of "Wave Of Mutilation", only much slower.  I would have enjoyed
their set more had the majority of the crowd shut their mouths, something
they DID NOT do during their whole set.  The talking was audibly louder
than the band!  It was clear, Spain was NOT the reason the crowd was
here.  Too bad, their "The Blue Moods Of Spain" album is actually good!

Finally, the moment we were all waiting for!  Cocteau Twins took the
stage and opened the set with "Fifty-fifty Clown".  I understand the set
is pretty much the same as their NYC and previous dates.  My friend and I
were hugging the stage, directly below Liz as she belted out her songs.
A few feedback screeches aside, the show was amazing!

After the show, my friend and I waiting outside the venue only to learn
that Liz had already been wisked to the hotel by security.  Perhaps she
wasn't feeling well.  After all the elitist backstagers had their
in-venue meet-and-greet with the band, Robin and Simon exited the back
doors and noticed us.

They were so kind to take time out to and chat with us about things and
they signed our CD's.  Shaking Robin and Simon's hands was a cool wrap up
to the meeting.  They said their goodbyes and ran to the van.  Off to the
hotel or straight to Detroit, I guess...

All in all, it was a thrill packed evening!  Although I was verging on my
21st hour of awakness, I was still pumped up.  What a night! Tomorrow,
I'll head back to HMV and pick up that "Stealing Beauty" soundtrack, the
one with Cocteau Twins' "Alice", another previously unreleased gem!

Next is Dead Can Dance, as they hit Toronto on July 15 playing at Massey
Hall.  It's a great summer for great concerts!  Just not enough time to
see them all!

Jeff
Toronto,
CANADA


Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:42:30 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: THE BLUE NILE'S "Peace at Last" reviewed


Kagin Lee wrote:

> I'm not disappointed at all with the new blue nile record.  I didn't
>  expect another brilliant Hats.

I agree.  Though, let me add that I think the design of the CD and jewelcase
is horrible.  Several of the elements are interesting but they are
put together in an ugly hodge-podge.

The design is by The Blue Nile themselves, and I can see that they should
just stick to music.  It is a shame really because, after working in a record
store for two years, I can say that people unsure of the music take risks on
nicely packaged goods.

Did they design "Hats" and "A Walk..." as well?  If so, they've taken
a seriously ugly step backward.

Just a comment,
David.


Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:05:17 -0400
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: curve recommendation?


>As for the remnants of the band, I had heard a rumour many months
>ago that Toni was working with the former members of Xymox as a
>band called Bud.
>Does anyone know anything about this?

Sorry, no, but she does guest on Leftfield's "Leftism" Album
(lead vocals on the track "Original" which was also released as a
single over here in the UK)



Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 19:33:19 -0500
From: Steven Venn (svenn@INFORAMP.NET)
Subject: Re: Typeface used in huH


Does anyone know the script typeface that
huH (issue 22, Stone Temple Pilots article, pg 42)
and Vaughan Oliver (in This Mortal Coil "end in Tears
and Tarnation Gentle Creatures) use? I am looking to
buy some new fonts and I like the look of this one.
Emile Efdee I know you can tell me, man.

Also does anyone have Kevin Westenberg's
(4AD/music photographer) address in Vancouver?
I would like to get in touch with him and maybe
get some samples of his work.

Steve

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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:18:44 +0200
From: chief@LYSATOR.LIU.SE
Subject: Re: SLOWDIVE



On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Christian Swinehart  wrote:

> I'd like to commend those who put together the discography on Slowdive.
> It was excellent!  I've been searching high and low for ways to get
> their lyrics, and finally I am in possession of them! Happy happy joy
> joy.  I really wanted the lyrics to Pygmalion, but I guess I have to
> wait for them.  Well - thanks again to all those who made the effort!

Thanks! I've really worked on it for a couple of years now, and it still
grows every day, thanks to all the people around the world who are
helping out with bits and pieces. Rachel has of course also been a
great help lately, though as the band is pretty busy, so is she. But,
a fan-based discography should probably not be assisted by the band
anyway - or it would become the band's official one! :-)

Someone copied it a while back (about a year ago) and put it up on his
own web-pages as if it was his own, without asking and without stating
who really made it even, but then again, that is something one has to
cope with on the net these days it seems.

 Regards,
 //Erik Soderstrom (chief@lysator.liu.se)

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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 00:09:12 GMT
From: "C.K. Coney" (ckc.atlanta@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET)
Subject: DCD in Atlanta or Miami?


Can anyone shed some light on Dead Can Dance's tour schedule? On their web
site, there are two conflicting tour itineraries. One includes Atlanta and
Miami, the other omits them.

I live in Atlanta & I really want a ticket bad. Would prefer to go to Miami
rather than D.C., cause D.C. tickets are supposedly going fast.

Would someone please respond to me via my personal e-mail or at large to
this list? I would really appreciate some concrete info. Thanks in advance!

Carol Coney (still reeling having seen Cocteau Twins twice this tour!)
>


Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 02:59:11 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: Used Typefaces


>Does anyone know the script typeface that
>huH (issue 22, Stone Temple Pilots article, pg 42)
>and Vaughan Oliver (in This Mortal Coil "end in Tears
>and Tarnation Gentle Creatures) use?

>Emile Efdee I know you can tell me, man.

Well, yes and no... (should I be an expert on this topic?)

I don't have the huH you're talking about and I don't know the name of the
one used on the 'It'll End It Tears' sleeve (I will take a look in the BIG
typeface book/library at the office next week).

The one used on the Gentle Creatures sleeve is called 'Script Bold',
Monotype, Type 1 and TrueType font (free with the Mac version of
ClarisWorks 4.0 <- free with almost any Mac these days...) The 'T' from
Tarnation isn't the original 'T' by the way.

Does anybody know the bold serif typeface that Paul McMenamin used on the
back of the 'Gentle Creatures' cd (for the song titles). I like the 'g'.
That's what I would like to know...

The world will be a better place if the boys at v23 would print this kind
of information on the sleeves.

So, 1 x yes, 2 x no, two more to go...



Qwerty uiopas,



Emiel Efdee (like: 'A-Meal F-Day')
...
the Netherlands, June 16, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl














If you're going to buy some new fonts you should take a look at the
typefaces Emigre is producing. I've just bought a few myself a couple of
weeks ago (Matrix Inline Script!). You can view and order them at their
site (http://www.emigre.com)

Now I'm talking graphic design here: you should also take a look at the new
magazine from David Carson (ex RayGun designer - "the king of
non-communication"). It's called 'speak'. There's also a web-site

Want to know more about fonts? (http://jasper.ora.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/index.html)

More adventures from TypoMan at:
Web-designers should also take a look at their 'GifWrap' (I'm beta-testing
it at the moment) and 'PageRipper' inventions. The guys from LettError!
(Just & Erik) made the random-fonts a few years ago - Beowolf, Kosmic -
made a digital version of an old typewriter font - Trixie (check out the
'triXie-files') - and sold their own handwriting all over the world -
ErikRightHand and JustLefthand).

If you want a digital version of my own handwriting (it's called 'Handy!'):
mail me. Yes I've made a few typefaces myself...




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