Subject: Virtual Cocteau Twins
Subject: Reliable mail order needed
Subject: THE BLUE NILE'S "Peace at Last" reviewed
Subject: this religion thing
Subject: Re: this religion thing
Subject: Re: karma {notlisty as fuck!} (fwd)
Subject: Dekarte?
Subject: Re: Reliable mail order needed
Subject: Re[2]: this religion thing
Subject: Re: karma {notlisty as fuck!}
Subject: Spiritchaser and stuff
Subject: Re: Reliable mail order needed
Subject: Re: Re[2]: this religion thing
Subject: Re: Dekarte?
Subject: Re: Reliable mail order needed
Subject: Re: Dekarte?
Subject: SLOWDIVE
Subject: Re: Reliable mail order needed
Subject: Re: Dekarte?
Subject: Re: Re[2]: this religion thing
Subject: Re: SLOWDIVE
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 01:11:42 +0600
from the Cocteaut Twins website:
> On June 20, 1996 the Cocteau
> Twins will push the the limits of
> Internet technology again with an
> interactive Quicktime Virtual
> Reality presentation of their
> Seattle concert. On the heels of
> the successful netcast, the twins
> are aiming to broaden the fan
> experience with Apple's
> Quicktime VR technology. So,
> download the players now and
> watch this space for the
> interactive modules. In addition,
> live footage of the concert will be
> posted on the night of the
> concert!
Sounds interesting! Look for me, i'll be wearing the cap with "HI, 4AD-L" in
big letters on the back (i hope you know i'm kidding).
-cz
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 03:21:33 -0500
I am looking for the following:
HNIA- Universal Frequencies CD EP
and Spoonfed Hybrid first album (CD).
Two mail order places mentioned here quite a bit are Ear/Rational and
Siren. Neither of these companies had the above 2 CDs mentioned in their
catalogs. Do any of you know a good mail order company? I've had bad
experiences with Intergalactic Garage.
There are no places in my town to get import 4AD stuff.
Thanks for your help.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 23:47:27 -0500
Well, it's finally here, thank God! I know it might be a bit early to
submit a review of "Peace at Last," since it only came out today (in the US
at least), but I've been listening to it for about six hours straight. On
the other hand, I probably will need about two weeks to develop a serious
idea of how it compares to "A Walk across the Rooftops" and "Hats." That
said...
I'm a bit disappointed. Granted, I was a bit disappointed by "Hats" at
first too, before I decided it was my favorite album of all time. It's not
that the album is a great departure from their previous outings (the
much-noted acoustic turn is exaggerated). In fact, the album is really a
return to the percussive (though not spatious) sound of "A Walk...." It's
just that there really aren't any truly Godlike songs on it, as there are
on their previous two albums.
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"Happiness"
One of the acoustic songs, very heavy on guitar with a little synthesizer
and some horns. One of several songs on the album that suggests Paul
Buchanan has found God. Unlike Mike Scott however, this hasn't destroyed
his songwriting gifts. The gospel chorus at the end of the song (I'm
serious!) is a bit much though. Paul's voice is in top, quaivering form
though, in contrast to his bolder, and more confident singing on some other
songs. I haven't decided whether this is a good thing or not yet.
"Tomorrow Morning"
Another acoustic-guitar song, this time with simple drums, piano, and some
orchestral backing. The orchestral stuff is used a lot more on this album
than on their others, and I like it a lot. One of the poppier songs on the
album, and a likely candidate for being released as a single. Quite nice.
"Sentimental Man"
Here's where the heavily-acoustic songs end, which is why I said the
"acoustic turn" was exaggerated. This song, perhaps more than any other,
is what makes "Peace..." reminiscent of "A Walk...." Very percussive, both
in the drumming and the patented twangy electric guitar. On the other
hand, it also reminds me of "Headlights on the Parade," from "Hats." It's
not as good though, partly, I think, because the vocals aren't as
vulnerable sounding. Paul's a bit to bold about being a "sentimental man"
here. Still, one of the best songs on the album
"Love Came Down"
Back to the quaivering voice, and another candidate for single release.
Quite poppy and jaunty. This has a lot of acoustic guitar, but it's more
integrated into their "regular" sound.
"Body And Soul"
One of my favorites, especially for the way Paul cuts loose when singing
the chorus: "Body and sooooooo-oo-oo-oul." It also has some great lyrics
(I don't have the patience to write them out though). I guess it's another
single candidate. A lot so far...
"Holy Love"
The shortest song on the album, clocking it at 2:42. Most of the songs, by
the way, are shorter than their usual. The album clocks in at 44:53. The
fact that I'm writing this now may give you an idea of what I think of the
song. The weakest on the album. The first half has this twangy bass thing
(actually a synthesizer), and even the electric guitar that comes later in
can't save it.
"Family Life"
Quite reminiscent of "Easter Parade," at least in terms of the fact that
this is mainly a piano-based song, with heavy orchestral backing towards
the end. Quite lovely, especially the singing. One of the best songs on
the album.
"War is Love"
I guess Paul didn't want to use the cliche, "love is war." Back to the
poppier stuff. Kind of a blend of everything on the album, with piano,
funky bass, orchestra, drums, acoustic guitars, and synthesizers. It works
well together.
"God Bless You Kid"
The drumming really sends me back to "A Walk...," and to a lesser degree,
the orchestral backing. The electric guitar gets wackier than usual
towards the end, and is really quite inventive.
"Soon"
The last song also reminds me of "A Walk...," especially some of the
percussive stuff at the end. Quite nice.
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To sum up then, "Peace at Last" is a bit more straighforward than "A
Walk..." and "Hats," but still very definately THE BLUE NILE. Don't think
they've sold out or anything. I like it a lot. It's just that so far, for
me, it doesn't quite compare to their other albums. Of course, the only
bad thing about the third album is that it likely means we'll all have to
wait until the year 2002 for the fourth! At least I'll have their tour to
tide me over.
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By the way, I'd like to reply to those who disagreed with my about Paul
Buchanan's voice. Though I still think that his voice is
technically-speaking not very good, I do want to emphasize how much I love
it. It doesn't surprise me that he was voted one of the top popular-music
vocalists...he's by far my favorite singer (well, maybe my second favorite,
after Frank Sinatra).
As for the woman freaking out at their concert that someone mentioned, I
know how she felt. I kept getting shivers during their show. I couldn't
believe that actual, mortal human beings were making this music. I
remember at one point looking back at the audience (I was fourth row center
-- I worked for TicketBastard at the time) and everyone seemed to be
staring, mouths gaping and eyes bugging. It was seriously the closest I've
ever come to a religious experience, and was actually better than sex.
I also want to complement those who replied and disagreed with me. No
flames, no vitriol. Just a civil disagreement. All too rare on this list!
-- Jeff
Jeffrey T. Gayton
[email protected]
University of Wisconsin, Madison
110 North Hall
1050 Bascom Mall
Madison, WI 53706
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:25:30 BST
<[email protected]>
BiZ wrote:
>e wrote flippantly:
>
>>> Carma...isn't that the spiritual magic that comes from the enchanted land
>>> where people regularly set their wives on fire? No thanks. ;)
>
>david mccallum retorted (with very little thought):
>
>>And you and your message of spiritual intolerence come from "the enchanted
>>land" where churches built by oppressed minorities are burned down in the
>>night.
>
>what makes you think e is a christian? i assume you're attacking
>christianity here -- an attack i won't bother to respond to...if you're
>attacking the us as a nation, e had no control over where he was born...let's
>not forget that taking the actions of a few and extrapolating them to a large
>group of people (or even worse, another individual) is extremely faulty
>reasoning. if you're going to argue, at least base your argument on what you
>know to be certain, not what you assume.
I don't understand where any of this comes from. David was just recasting
e's words so that they applied to America (at least, I *assume* it's
America). He's just pointing out the absurdity of e's words (though the
evidence of e's smiley suggests to me that he was probably aware of the
absurdity).
>jens pretty much made my point for me...if you're trying to have an
>intelligent conversation and convince someone of your viewpoint, don't resort
>to calling them names...it doesn't work..settle down, dan/dna...
You're right, of course, but isn't it also probably best not to accuse
people of retorting "with very little thought" (especially when you've
misunderstood their point :-)?
Joseph Burns added:
>On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:
>> * e and I were at least able to avoid direct ad hominem insults. Daniel,
>> as he has before, leaps right into slurs on my character.
>
>I dont see attacks on people's personal beliefs as somehow different from
>ad hominem insults
The distinction, if there is one, is certainly specious in this context.
Neither furthers the "intellectual debate" that Jens would like to see.
Simon Hughes
P.S. So, anyway, Robin Guthrie did VH1's "Ten of the best" (videos) the
other day here in Britain. The show was bookended by "Aikea-Guinea" and
um, er, the last single, I've forgotten the title. He chose a French
rapper first up but I can't remember any of the others!!
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:56:37 PDT
in response to " base your argument on what you
know to be certain, not what you assume"
daniel klyn wrote:"nothing is real"
-john lennon
what you meant, surely, was:
"I think therefor I am "
-rene dekarte
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:35:13 PDT
joseph burns wrote:
>No belief system is anymore mystical than another
what you mean of course is :
no belief system is any less mystical than another.
> anything from science to karma is a belief in a
metaphysical order. Is one right and the other wrong? Thats just a matter
of the rhetorical smoke and mirrors we call proof, and all in all NOT a very
interesting question.
are you kidding? all in all one of the more interesting
questions I can think of. I spent nearly 2 hours discussing
that same issue with a friend over the phone just yesterday.
but seriously folks, (YUCK, am I becoming a stand up comedian
) I have been very patiently holding my tongue (and my fingers)
these last few days. you DO NOT want to get me started on the subject
of religion. I'm usually more than happy to meet any challenge presented
to me on philosophical/theological issues, but this would be rather rude
on this list. less said the better.
-naor-
I will achieve immortality or die trying
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:14:48 -0400
Descartes
TIM CONLON
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:12:33 -0400
I too have had bad experiences with Intergalactic Garage. I DONT
recommend them to anyone
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:45:34 -0400
As was recently posted:
<Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 19:58:10 -0400
On Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:35:13 PDT naor
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:45:56 EDT
I'm not the first to post a review of Spiritchaser, nor will I be the last, but
here's my contribution anyway.
It arrived in the post this morning, and between then and me hearing it, I read
two contrasting reviews. One in Melody Maker, basically slammed it whilst the
other, in Muzik (of all places) gave it a hearty thumbs-up. Reading between the
lines, it was plain the first review was by a disillusioned long-term fan,
pining for the 'good old days', whilst the second was by someone hearing them
with fresh ears, untainted by their past catalogue. So I came to the conclusion
that, whatever its merits (or otherwise), Spiritchaser wasn't going to be an
album to easily fit in the DCD canon. Anyway, the oft-commented latin influence
doesn't seem to be particularly apparent to these ears. Certainly, there is a
lot of percussion, but much of it is 'eastern', with a tabla to the fore. If I
was to try to choose a phrase to sum up the album, it would be something like
'Transglobal Underground for the chill out room'. Of all their albums, this is
easily the least eclectic, but that's not necessarilly a bad thing. The eight
tracks tend to lock together in a mellow groove, and it holds together well as a
unit.
Nierika kicks the record off as it means to continue, a long, mellow percussive
groove with little in the way of embellishment.
Song Of The Stars is underpinned by a steady hand-drum rhythm, with assorted
tropical bird-noises, and some nicely understated guitar. One of the good things
about this record is how Brendan and Lisa are using their voices together more,
both in harmony and contrast, as opposed to there being a pretty clear
demarcation between Perry-tunes and Gerrard-tunes.
Indus wouldn't sound out of place on 'The Mirror Pool'. Again, it's a long,
stately tabla-led groove, with a hint of menace, that threatens to burst into a
full orchestral storm, but never quite gets there. As the title suggests, there
is a definite Indian feel to the track, but it's much less exuberant than the
kind of Bollywood incidental music alluded to.
Song Of The Dispossessed is the closest thing here to the epic Brendan Perry
ballads that pepper previous records, in that it has understandable lyrics, and
a more or less conventional tune. But it drifts, mantra-like, without making
much of a mark, instead fitting in with the general mood of understatement
perfectly.
After a very brief, and pretty pointless percussion instrumental (Dedicace
Outo), The Snake And The Moon hints at dub, but doesn't really do a great deal
for its six minutes.
We're back into tropical birdsong territory for Song Of The Nile, but the voices
dominate. At times, Lisa's singing on this track remind me of Marta Sebestyen in
contemplative mood. I have to confess, the music sounds more Congo than Nile.
But this is one of the best tracks.
And so we conclude with Devordzhum, a beautiful Lisa sung piece, sparsely
arranged (no tablas!), and with a tune that sounds like an Irish/Middle Eastern
hybrid.
In the right mood, Spiritchaser is a laid-back feast, but it is very much a
mood-piece to be taken as a whole, and should be judged accordingly. I like it a
lot, but I can well understand that there will be many who find it a bit of a
bore.
And on to other things. Yet again the mailbox is stuffed with one of these
ridiculous off-topic tiffs. Another round of strutting egos and wounded pride.
And this week's topic is - religion. Excuse me if I don't punch the air in
delight. What a bunch of prima donnas. A little snide remark from one, and
another is acting as if his entire belief system has been destroyed by some
wretched infidel. Then lumbering in with their usual two-penn'orth come the
humourless aides-de-camp, trying to stoke up the flames. OK, if it were a
one-off occurrence, a certain amount of amusement would be gained from it, but
it's becoming all too regular, and frankly the five of you should show a little
courtesy for the other 395 long-suffering listies, and conduct your little
bitching sessions in private. I'm not claiming any great role as spokesperson,
but I would be very surprised if I didn't speak for the majority. I'm not
getting dragged into a slanging match by naming names, but you know who you are,
as I'm sure everybody else does by now. So why not shut the fuck up, and
concentrate on posting something that might be of interest to others here.
- Dez
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:51:26 -0500
>I too have had bad experiences with Intergalactic Garage. I DONT
>recommend them to anyone
>
>
>wo mail order places mentioned here quite a bit are Ear/Rational and
>Siren. Neither of these companies had the above 2 CDs mentioned in their
>catalogs. Do any of you know a good mail order company? I've had bad
>experiences with Intergalactic Garage.
>There are no places in my town to get import 4AD stuff.
Have you tried Vinylink? ([email protected]). I=B4ve orederd quite a bit from
them and i haven=B4t got any complaints at all. I=B4m talking sending stuff
UNINSURED from the states to Mexico...
Give it a try.
Al rato,
Pepe
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:50:26 +0000
Alex Mayo
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:25:20 +0200
On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, TIM CONLON wrote:
> Descartes
>
>
> TIM CONLON
> [email protected]
>
what about him ?
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:30:25 -0700
make that another bad experience with IGG! i would say you are better off
almost ANYWHERE else.
peter
On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Joseph Burns wrote:
> I too have had bad experiences with Intergalactic Garage. I DONT
> recommend them to anyone
>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:53:20 -0700
On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, TIM CONLON wrote:
> Descartes
Hey, who gave YOU the right to decide what is true for the rest of us? Huh?
In *my* world, it's Dekarte. Fascist.
e
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:26:29 0400
I'd like to commend those who put together the discography on Slowdive.
It was excellent! I've been searching high and low for ways to get
their lyrics, and finally I am in possession of them! Happy happy joy
joy. I really wanted the lyrics to Pygmalion, but I guess I have to
wait for them. Well - thanks again to all those who made the effort!
-----Alisha
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:52:39 CST
>I am looking for the following:
>
>HNIA- Universal Frequencies CD EP
>
>and Spoonfed Hybrid first album (CD).
>
>Two mail order places mentioned here quite a bit are Ear/Rational and
>Siren. Neither of these companies had the above 2 CDs mentioned in their
>catalogs. Do any of you know a good mail order company? I've had bad
>experiences with Intergalactic Garage.
>
>There are no places in my town to get import 4AD stuff.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>john b. jones [email protected]
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Well, oddly enough I just ordered HNIA's "Universal Frequencies" from CDNow
today. They are an excellent mail-order company. I have done business with
them almost since their inception, and they have always been prompt and
efficeint. I've never had any trouble with them. My only complaint is that
they are a bit pricey--but that is acceptable in light of their fantastic
service and decent selection. Right now they even have the Rkyo HNIA promo CD
"His Name Is Alive Sings Man on the Silver Mountain" for US$15.00.
I do all my business with them through the net--I don't know if you can order
from them by phone or mail.
Another great company is Parasol. They send out updates every two weeks, and
take orders via phone, fax, mail, and I believe the net as well. If you
require any further information, let me know.
--gary
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:38:29 -0500
Check any book... it=B4s Descartes!
Pepe
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