Subject: Re: out of print?
Subject: too pure's address
Subject: Re: karma {notlisty as fuck!} (fwd)
Subject: Re: his name is arrive
Subject: Re "Carma"
Subject: Re: "Spain" I think it was?/Seefeel
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Subject: Re: his name is arrive
Subject: Re: this religion thing
Subject: Re: this religion thing
Subject: Re: karma {notlisty as fuck!} (fwd)
Subject: A very "4ad" show this Friday 6/14
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Subject: DCD at the Keswick Theatre
Subject: Shaving Kit Music
Subject: Re: this religion thing
Subject: Pleasure Pop!
Subject: Re: Pleasure Pop!
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:27:01 -0500
While we're on the subject of things out of print, can someone tell me if
the following stuff is ihn print still???
PALE SAINTS - Flesh Balloon
THROWING MUSES - Counting Backwards
PALE SAINTS - Barging into the Presence of God
Also, can someone post, or tell me where I can find the items that were
deleted from the last 4AD catalog??? Thanks...
Matt
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 02:31:12 -0400
hey!
i made a little mistake when i wrote the address for too pure, i forgot to
put the suite number. well here is the address again:
for the too pure fanzine:
puree
too pure records
3500 w. olive ave. suite 1550
burbank, ca 91505-4628
and to send demos:
too pure records
3500 w. olive ave. suite 1550
burbank, ca 91505-4628
sorry for the error and the inconvenience!!
pete
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 00:59:30 -0700
>
What in hell does this have to do with 4ad? ...and since you seem to have
already asked that one (see the subject)... Just SHUT UP! Spare us your
pitiful, drab arguments and take it to private mail already! If this
isn't clear enough, send me a message and I'll try to put it in simpler
terms.
It's ridiculous enough that I feel I need to post this kind of message...
Mike
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 01:03:34 -0700
On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Kagin Lee wrote:
> > much grass,
> > dan
[...]
> Don't make fun of spanish, cos it's my favourite language.
> I'm trying real hard not to be mean now, don't do it again.
And how is this in any way "thislisty?" Should I start posting linguistic
questions... movie reviews, carpentry tips, VCR schematics or etc?
How about we rename it to the "Jack of all trades" list?
Mike
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:06:17 EST
einexile the meek wrote on 8 June:
>Carma...isn't that the spiritual magic that comes from the enchanted land
>where people regularly set their wives on fire? No thanks. ;)
Trying to link the actions of some people in one country with the acceptance of
the concept of Karma is a bit of a generalisation and one which I think is
unfair. The religions which encompass the concept of Karma and which originated
in the region of India over 2000 years ago are now (and have been for a long
time) spread far beyond one country's borders and are accepted and practiced in
a variety of forms by people in a variety of cultures.
David Boughey
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:26:05 -0400
On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Roy Burns wrote:
> Guthrie still does almost nothing, although he's actually been lurching when
> he plays. ROCK ON!!!
im laughing out loud
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:21:15 -0400
>
> >All songs on STARS ON ESP are original. Someone previously mentioned that
> >one song was the same music but different lyrics of a Beach Boys song. That
> >is absolutely incorrect. This is part of the genius that is Warren Defever.
>
> Indeed, Warren IS a genius! I think he and Beck should get together...
>
i finally scraped together the necessary clams to
purchase "Universal Frequencies" last night. damn!
those of you who listen to 'hiiyh' and 'livonia'
much more frequently than 'mbm' (present company
included), youre gonna like this one.
the beach boys homage which is the first track
is krazy good. like, if beck were to attempt
this project it would likely sound all sly
and post-mod and self-consciously cheezy.
the warren treatment is authentic. a
straight-faced love for 'pet sounds' animates this
bugger, no traces of self-parody or detached
satire. imho, its the shit. and if youre
a stoner (like me & beck) you'll probably dig
it even more.
the next track is his name is alive a-la
hiiyh. fragmented, zillionlayered, tweaked.
third song is 'summer of esp', formerly
appearing on the shaving the pavement cass.
nice to hear it on cd. note: does anyone else
think that the version on shaving is different
than on 'univ. freq.'? hmmm.....
fourth track flows out of some chaotic wierdness
at the end of three, and is basically, as
mentioned previously, a choir singing over
the esp family version of 'this world is not
my home'. faux lo-fi static gets a bit
unnnerving here, but thats okay.
overall this thing seems like a six track
ep, even tho the sleeve lists 4 trax.
the packaging is splendid, and features
a widdle picture of a stoned-looking
warren underneath the star-like-thingy
that pokes thru the hole in the cd.
i love this disc, and recommend it
emphatically. cant wait for the LP!
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:15:49 -0700
After Kagin wrote:
> Don't make fun of spanish, cos it's my favourite language.
> I'm trying real hard not to be mean now, don't do it again.
and Heffalump jollily replied:
>And how is this in any way "thislisty?" Should I start posting linguistic
>questions... movie reviews, carpentry tips, VCR schematics or etc?
>How about we rename it to the "Jack of all trades" list?
I see now that I can hang up my ueber-listy-thought-polizei helmet (the
one with the spike on top) with the assurance that the job is in
excellent hands.
culture or those of German ancestry [such as m'self].
message begins here:
Now that Scala's EP appears to be out (it's in the latest Ear/Rational
catalog) has anyone had a chance to listen to it? Ordinarily I'd rush out
and order it, but budget crises and my disenchantment with everything
Seefeely lead me toward an extra helping of caution on this one.
Commentary would be appreciated. I recall one or two people had opinions
on the "Tears" 7", how about the newer content?
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:54:48 -0400
e wrote flippantly:
>> Carma...isn't that the spiritual magic that comes from the enchanted land
>> where people regularly set their wives on fire? No thanks. ;)
david mccallum retorted (with very little thought):
>And you and your message of spiritual intolerence come from "the enchanted
>land" where churches built by oppressed minorities are burned down in the
>night.
what makes you think e is a christian? i assume you're attacking
christianity here -- an attack i won't bother to respond to...if you're
attacking the us as a nation, e had no control over where he was born...let's
not forget that taking the actions of a few and extrapolating them to a large
group of people (or even worse, another individual) is extremely faulty
reasoning. if you're going to argue, at least base your argument on what you
know to be certain, not what you assume.
daniel klyn also added:
>> On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Jens Alfke felt compelled, once again, to
exacerbate offlisty bickering because he just 'couldnt help' but
share a mealymouthed defense of the dominate self-worshipping
paradigm
with the rest of the list. the purpose being what, again? to
help me to understand another point of view? to offer me help
on my path toward enlightenment? to beat his chest all
alpha-male-like
and put me in my place??<<
and you, of course, responded in the way you did because you wished to
challenge the alpha male's authority, usurping him and assuming the role of
alpha male yourself ;) sorry, but that was just too juicy to leave alone...
>> What, are we requiring everyone in the world to believe in everything
>> these days? It would certainly cut down on arguments, but think of how
>> boring we'd be. Even the White Queen could only manage _six_ impossible
>> beliefs before breakfast.
> the only ones seeming to 'require' a specific kind of
> thinking on this list are you, jens, and your evil
> twin, the meek.
i don't know what sense you're using the word in, but calling someone who you
do not know very well "evil," is a bit too much...
jens later wrote:
>>>* e and I were at least able to avoid direct ad hominem insults. Daniel,
as he has before, leaps right into slurs on my character. Why? I have no
idea. I've never met him, he has no idea who I am (and vice versa). I
might be more offended if his attacks weren't ludicrously off target <<<
jens pretty much made my point for me...if you're trying to have an
intelligent conversation and convince someone of your viewpoint, don't resort
to calling them names...it doesn't work..settle down, dan/dna...
BiZ
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:12:58 -0400
"if you're going to argue, at least base your argument on what you
> know to be certain, not what you assume"
-biZ
"nothing is real"
-john lennon
Once upon a time, in a land real, real far from 4ad-land, the
boy in the zinc deduced that:
> you Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:32:35 -0400
On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:
> * e and I were at least able to avoid direct ad hominem insults. Daniel,
> as he has before, leaps right into slurs on my character.
I dont see attacks on people's personal beliefs as somehow different from
ad hominem insults (btw 'direct ad hominem' is redundant).
> * What does some quoted stuff about the many-worlds interpretation (which
> I personally favor) have to do with refuting the substance of what I
> said? Many-worlds is completely un-Buddhist --
explain what you mean by claiming many worlds is non-buddhist please
BTW, it seems most of this arguement is based on the mistaken perception
that anybody is trying to force-feed a belief system on some one else. As
far as I can tell parrallels between events were suggested and this
spurred all sorts of attacks on beliefs and ideasas being 'mystical',
which of course is a terrible thing (?!). No belief system is anymore
mystical than another - anything from science to karma is a belief in a
metaphysical order. Is one right and the other wrong? Thats just a matter
of the rhetorical smoke and mirrors we call proof, and all in all NOT a
very interesting question.
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:18:44 -0500
I just wanted to let everyone in the Los Angeles area know about a
very cool show happening this Friday 6/14 at the Alligator Lounge in
Santa Monica. Two particular bands are playing and they both
definitely have that sound that we all love. Very good music. At
and they are amazing. I could describe it as a cross between PJ
Harvey, Bjork, and the Cocteau Twins. I only heard one song of theirs
but it was pretty cool. Also playing is Lava Diva. They are so good.
They play a couple of tracks of theirs late nights on KCRW. Very good
stuff. Also playing that night is the band Babyland. I think they're
an industrial band. Well, just wanted to let you all know if you're
not doing anything this Friday night. I know I'll be there. I wonder
if 4ad knows about these bands ? Definitely 4ad material if they
aren't already signed. See you there.
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:13:07 -0400
On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Rich Holtzman wrote:
> All songs on STARS ON ESP are original. Someone previously mentioned that
> one song was the same music but different lyrics of a Beach Boys song. That
> is absolutely incorrect. This is part of the genius that is Warren Defever.
> Warren almost convinces you it is a cover by doing it so well. He uses
> sleigh bells, hell he even records like Brian Wilson would have.
>
i didn't mean that it was directly the beach boys song, but that it sounds
exactly like one. warren says that himself when i asked him. he told me
that he just tried to pull off a beach boys song and universal frequencies
was the closest he got.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:26:48 EDT
Has anyone ever been to the Keswick Theatre in Glenside, PA, or is
familiar with the seating arrangement? I just got my DCD tickets
last week and they say row AAA, pit. They sound like good seats, but
I'd like to know what to expect. Plus, is the Keswick strange about
you bringing things with you? I've been to shows where they frisk
you before you go in to the show.
Thanks,
Holly
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:45:18 -0500
I just got a copy of the "Shaving Kit..." CD and was very disappointed to
find it in a plain jewel case without a custom sleeve or anything. I
though there was a cool-looking digipak or something. Am I wrong? What
does yours look like?
--Jeff
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:36:18 -0700
The Boy In Zinc wrote:
> e wrote flippantly:
>
> >> Carma...isn't that the spiritual magic that comes from the enchanted land
> >> where people regularly set their wives on fire? No thanks. ;)
>
> david mccallum retorted (with very little thought):
>
> >And you and your message of spiritual intolerence come from "the enchanted
> >land" where churches built by oppressed minorities are burned down in the
> >night.
>
> what makes you think e is a christian?
I don't think "e" is a christian. And it doesn't matter, does it? (This and
all the following questioning responses are all hypothetical.)
> i assume you're attacking
> christianity here -- an attack i won't bother to respond to...
I wasn't. Why do you make this assumption?
> if you're
> attacking the us as a nation, e had no control over where he was born...
I suppose indirectly I was attacking the US. And I hope neither you or
"e" play the part of a victim of your times in your respective lives,
because you're not.
> let's
> not forget that taking the actions of a few and extrapolating them to a large
> group of people (or even worse, another individual) is extremely faulty
> reasoning.
Now you've hit on it. You're absolutely correct in saying that I was using
extremely faulty reasoning. It's the same as "e's."
Overall, I think you're injecting alot of stuff into my message that isn't
there, but hey! do what you will.
Cheers,
David.
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