Subject: Re: His Name Is A Jive Bombers
Subject: puree-the too pure fanzine
Subject: rhp at mccabes
Subject: Re: Dif Juz
Subject: BILLIONS AND BILLIONS
Subject: Re: puree-the too pure fanzine
Subject: Re: Spiritchaser
Subject: Re: recommendations
Subject: Re: BILLIONS AND BILLIONS
Subject: His Name Is Alive
Subject: Re: recommendations
Subject: for trade or sale
Subject: Re: karma [recommendations]
Subject: Re: His Name Is Alive
Subject: Re: karma {notlisty as fuck!} (fwd)
Subject: Re: Spoonfed Hybrid (was Re: pale saints)
Subject: cocteaus in DC
Subject: Re: karma {notlisty as fuck!} (fwd)
Subject: "Spain" I think it was?/Seefeel
Subject: Re: his name is arrive
Subject: out of print?
Subject: Re: "Spain" I think it was?/Seefeel
Subject: Re: "Spain" I think it was?/Seefeel
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:02:19 -0400
>Aug 17 RED ATKINS Jeff's House
> with Richenel, Sort Sol, David Curtis (from Dif Juz) and Bearz
>
>There's lots of stuff too numerous to mention! Keep an eye out for more
>concert announcements in all the usual places.
I thought My Captains were on this bill too, hmm...
I even re-checked the Atkins web site last night to confirm this. Can
someone clear up the confusion? thanks.
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 03:29:13 -0400
hey everyone!
thanks for replying about puree-the too pure fanzine! i'm going to put all
the names/addresses from all who wrote into the computer and you should be
getting the zine in a couple of weeks.
thanks again!
pete
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 03:21:52 -0400
hey!
just got home a little while ago from the rhp show at mccabes in la...it was
a really good set...mark and gang opened with "sundays and holidays" and
played a lot of covers including "don't fear the reaper" (w/ anthony singing
backup) "silly love songs", joy division's "love will tear us apart", and
sonic youth's "teenage riot", which was really good! rhp also played some new
stuff including that making paper sounds song...mark did the encore all by
himself, playing "mistress" "michael" and the new song about knowing how to
love yourself...new album should be out in late july, they said.
laters,
pete
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:26:18 +0600
Jun 1996 20:20:23 -0500
> >I think the Dif Juz was called "extractions" if I'm not
> mistaken.
>
> Correct! It contains 9 tracks + 4 more from an early EP.
> I got my capy 6 months ago via 4AD mail order. I=B4m
> sure they still have it. In general, it is a good album,
> not one to die for, but a good one. The 4 tracks from
> the Ep are, IMO, the best from the album.
Count me among those who think Dif Juz are great. Out of the Trees (a
compilation of earlier EP's) is even better than Extractions--i just wish they
would've released OotT on CD too instead of tacking 4 of the tracks on the end
of Extractions.
-cz
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:43:39 -0700
On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, daniel klyn wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
>
> > Carma...isn't that the spiritual magic that comes from the enchanted land
> > where people regularly set their wives on fire? No thanks. ;)
> Please, mr. e, your flippancy
> and seeming carelessness toward my (and various billion +
> hindus and buddhists worldwide) religious beliefs is
> for lack of a better word vulgar.
To hell with the whole lot of you then. I am flippant toward the
concept of karma because it is fucking ludicrous enough that I have no
problem making light of it. I suppose your sanctimonious tone regarding
my own views is not vulgar?
> perhaps you should open your mind?
Perhaps you should not flatter yourself in assuming that those with whom
you disagree are all blind, staggering idiots who have not considered
their positions.
> this concept, which western quantum physicists call Bells Theorem
> or QUIP (quantum inseparability principle), for aeons.
Yadda yadda yadda. I call it mysticism. Not too often one sees this sort
of an outraged emotional response over science, eh?. It's been a while
since I was called 'vulgar' for attacking a bit of quantum theory.
> without the intention of creating bombs with the technology.
> krazy, huh?
Funny, is that why India almost turned half the subcontinent into a
nuclear wasteland a few years ago? (The Pakistanis would have kicked your
sorry asses, too, pal.)
yours in religious bigotry,
e
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 06:49:19 -0400
please put me on your list
thanks
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:24:58 CET
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:18:26 -0700
On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, daniel klyn wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
>
> > Carma...isn't that the spiritual magic that comes from the enchanted land
> > where people regularly set their wives on fire? No thanks. ;)
>
> KARMA
>
> karma ka.rma. Also karman. Skr. karma, karman-,...
...chameleon.
Michael Buck
[email protected]
P.S. - What an awful way to introduce myself to the list. I promise to
be more relevant next time. I just couldn't help it.
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:22:40 -0400
how typical...
I'm so glad that instead of acknowledging each others differences we get
to read these lovely little tirades from such little minded but
disproportionate egos.
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:01:53 -0400
All songs on STARS ON ESP are original. Someone previously mentioned that
one song was the same music but different lyrics of a Beach Boys song. That
is absolutely incorrect. This is part of the genius that is Warren Defever.
Warren almost convinces you it is a cover by doing it so well. He uses
sleigh bells, hell he even records like Brian Wilson would have.
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:47:53 -0700
On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, einexile the meek wrote:
> Carma...isn't that the spiritual magic that comes from the enchanted land
> where people regularly set their wives on fire? No thanks. ;)
And you and your message of spiritual intolerence come from "the enchanted
land" where churches built by oppressed minorities are burned down in the
night.
David.
--
David McCallum [email protected]
http://www.efn.org/~mccallum/arkane.html
Would the clocks still tick through time
if not for your heartbeat near mine?
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:47:56 GMT
Hi. I've got a cd copy of Slowdive's Outside your room EP (out of
print!) and a copy of the Moon and the Melodies (Budd and the
Cocteaus) that I'd like to trade or sell. I'm primarily interested in
getting the Cranes' "Tomorrow's Tears" and Chandeen's "Shaded by the
Leaves." Or, make me an offer. Thanks.
brian
[email protected]
oh, and mel in Singapore, I lost yer addr. again...drop me a line
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:44:21 -0700
daniel klyn wrote:
> Please, mr. e, your flippancy
> and seeming carelessness toward my (and various billion +
> hindus and buddhists worldwide) religious beliefs is
> for lack of a better word vulgar. perhaps you should
> open your mind?
What, are we requiring everyone in the world to believe in everything
these days? It would certainly cut down on arguments, but think of how
boring we'd be. Even the White Queen could only manage _six_ impossible
beliefs before breakfast.
> hindu and buddhist scholars have understood
> this concept, which western quantum physicists call Bells Theorem
> or QUIP (quantum inseparability principle), for aeons.
Nuffa this quantum mystic hoohaw! I too thought it was nifty until I went
to college and did the math. What you're referring to is a connection
between low-level quantum states of low-level particles (which can be
explained in other ways than some kind of mystic universal
intertwingledness) not some kind of moral/ethical fate or retribution.
You might as well say that the law of gravity (phrased as "what goes up
must come down") is the same concept as karma, only people have more
familiarity with gravity so it'd be more difficult to get Nu Agers to
marvel at it.
> and
> without the intention of creating bombs with the technology.
> krazy, huh?
I know e already zapped you on this one but it's too delicious. India is
certainly one of the top three countries I can imagine using nuclear
weapons in the near future (the other two being China and N. Korea, both
with strong Buddhist subcultures beneath the Taoism and official
atheism.) Anyhow, Bell's theorem was discovered _after_ the development
of the atomic bomb; it's not very relevant to nuclear weaponry. It does
wonders for selling palletloads of books to Western wannabe mystics,
though.
ObMusic for those who read this far: Surely Jack Dangers was doing a lot
more on "Storm the Studio" than stringing samples together. Certainly
there are a lot of them, but a lot of the foundation, e.g. the great
basslines on "God OD", are original, right?
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:20:21 -0700
>All songs on STARS ON ESP are original. Someone previously mentioned that
>one song was the same music but different lyrics of a Beach Boys song. That
>is absolutely incorrect. This is part of the genius that is Warren Defever.
Indeed, Warren IS a genius! I think he and Beck should get together...
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:26:30 -0400
On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Jens Alfke felt compelled, once again, to
exacerbate offlisty bickering because he just 'couldnt help' but
share a mealymouthed defense of the dominate self-worshipping paradigm
with the rest of the list. the purpose being what, again? to
help me to understand another point of view? to offer me help
on my path toward enlightenment? to beat his chest all alpha-male-like
and put me in my place??
> What, are we requiring everyone in the world to believe in everything
> these days? It would certainly cut down on arguments, but think of how
> boring we'd be. Even the White Queen could only manage _six_ impossible
> beliefs before breakfast.
the only ones seeming to 'require' a specific kind of
thinking on this list are you, jens, and your evil
twin, the meek.
> Nuffa this quantum mystic hoohaw! I too thought it was nifty until I went
> to college and did the math. What you're referring to is a connection
> between low-level quantum states of low-level particles (which can be
> explained in other ways than some kind of mystic universal
> intertwingledness) not some kind of moral/ethical fate or retribution.
please read the following passage i just pulled down from
a FAQ on quantumgoodies:
Wavefunction obeys a deterministic wave equation at all times. All
possible outcomes of a measurement or interaction are embedded within
the universal wavefunction....although each observer, split by each
observation, is only aware of
single outcomes due to the linearity of the wave equation.
The world appears indeterministic, with the usual probabilistic
collapse of the wavefunction, but at the objective level, which includes all o
tcomes,
determinism is restored.
Some people are under the impression that the only motivation for
many- worlds is a desire to return to a deterministic theory of
physics. This is not true. As Everett pointed out, the objection with
the standard Copenhagen interpretation is not the indeterminism per
se, but that indeterminism occurs only with the intervention of an
observer, when the wavefunction collapses.
jens and his buddies at the Center for Right Thinking
intervene with their big ole' egos swaggering, plugging
a big alpha-male 'self' into the equasion: a relation
to the universalwave which assures the constipated
end result that they crave. this gives them power
(selfimportance),
which placates the ever-strengthening ego and now,
snuggled into a mutual-masturbation pact with the
blow-up-doll version of themselves, they 'just cant
help' but convince themselves that their sick little
system isnt corrupt.
doing the math on a jens-o-matic calculator, you
get your answer tailor made for you! CAUSE ITS
RIGHT. CAUSE I KNOW IT IS.
> I know e already zapped you on this one but it's too delicious. India is
> certainly one of the top three countries I can imagine using nuclear
> weapons in the near future (the other two being China and N. Korea, both
> with strong Buddhist subcultures beneath the Taoism and official
> atheism.) Anyhow, Bell's theorem was discovered _after_ the development
> of the atomic bomb; it's not very relevant to nuclear weaponry. It does
> wonders for selling palletloads of books to Western wannabe mystics,
> though.
as i remarked privately to 'e' earlier today,
the regime in India is as morally bankrupt as its british
predacessor, and has nothing at all whatsoever to do with
traditional spiritual schools of belief other than exploiting
them for the purpose of enslaving the masses. no new tale
to tell there--a government which refuses to acknowledge
or represent its subcultures? welcome to america.
the pakistanis wouldnt have kicked _my_
ass, cuz im a white anglosaxon (former) protestant living
in michigan. my point was simply that the Powerful
compartmentalize 'science' and 'religion' for the purpose
of the wholesale destruction of the planet at a profit,
exploiting the same 'technology' which could so easily
set us free.
QT is the frontier, the mother of metatheories, and
will be when harnessed either the kundalini express
or the highway to hell. i care deeply. and want
to help. what do you want?
>
> ObMusic for those who read this far: Surely Jack Dangers was doing a lot
> more on "Storm the Studio" than stringing samples together. Certainly
> there are a lot of them, but a lot of the foundation, e.g. the great
> basslines on "God OD", are original, right?
covers the oh-so-obvious violation of the list ettiquite
he insists on so fervantly in the FAQ by tacking this bit
on at the end. how nice.
dan/dna (im in flux)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:07:05 -0400
got the spoonfed cd in the mail today. thanks for the fast service. keep up
the good work and let me know of any more spoonfed releases you might have
in the future.
-bruce
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:40:25 -0400
The show last night went down rather greatly...I know I might have been
expecting excellent rather than very great, but perhaps its my
perfectionism...2 encores and some explosive versions of Violaine and
bluebellknoll were the highlights...it will all be in my formal review of
the show (I'll review whichever was better of this and the NYC show
Wednesday night)...
setlist, not necessarily in order:
50-50 clown
watchlar
calfskin smack
aloysius
treasure hiding
I wear your ring
summerhead
wax and wane (liz screwed up and just laughed, and the seefeel guy used a
cool drum machine loop for this song)
iceblink luck (of course)
seekers who are lovers
rilkean heart
half gifts
violaine
pitch the baby
one of the tishbite B-sides (forgot which one)
enkore eins:
pandora
pur
enkore zwei:
blue bell knoll
But, can someone please tell me the name of that godawful blues bar opening
act, "Spain" I think it was? I am very open-minded about music in general,
but I really would have rather heard a death-metal opening act than be
subjected to a set that lasted almost a fucking hour of the most boring
pretentious minimalist blues-rock that I have ever had the displeasure of
bearing witness to. Really, there is absolutely no originality to this type
of music; at least on the new Oasis album there were some interesting parts
and some distortion or something.
Oh well, guess I have to bring a walkman to the NYC show or else lose my
place at the front for the Cocteau Twins (never!)
-=t=-
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:18:25 -0700
Just 3 more observations:
* e and I were at least able to avoid direct ad hominem insults. Daniel,
as he has before, leaps right into slurs on my character. Why? I have no
idea. I've never met him, he has no idea who I am (and vice versa). I
might be more offended if his attacks weren't ludicrously off target (I
don't think anyone's ever accused me of being an Alpha Male before!)
If nothing else, it keeps it more fun if we allow slamming belief
systems but not individual people. Whatever happened to debate as an
intellectual process?
* What does some quoted stuff about the many-worlds interpretation (which
I personally favor) have to do with refuting the substance of what I
said? Many-worlds is completely un-Buddhist -- if any quantum event that
can happen does happen, there is no room for fate or karma.
* I don't think I'm contradicting the FAQ; I've never seen any harm in
brief digressions from the Topic At Hand as long as they're not a
particular category of digression (e.g. cookie recipes) that we've gone
into many times already.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:07:00 -0400
Hello...
Someone who is "very open-minded about music in general" wrote...
>>But, can someone please tell me the name of that godawful blues bar opening
act, "Spain" I think it was?<<
Yes it was Spain. For what it's worth I liked them (though am still insure on
their name). Who cares I know, but this is Josh Haden's (brother of Petra and
Rachel "That Dog." Haden). They sounded like RHP meets Eric Clapton (and
Matthew Sweet on downers). If you hate Eric Clapton, but like RHP, you'll
still probably hate Spain.
Other news: Seefeel's "Quique" was named for the kick-drum track on the
mixing board (named "quique"...this was the subject of some discussion on the
list a while back). Seefeel will record a new LP after this Twins tour. This
may possibly released on EastWest in the US (which makes Seefeel labelmates
with Screwy Amos and several rap acts...I like rap). Seefeel will finally
tour the states. Mark Clifford did not DJ after this show. He played during
with the Twins, but may DJ after some other shows.
The Cocteaus are brilliant live. The version they play of "Rilkean Heart" is
a blend of the LP and "Twinlights" versions as is "Half-Gifts". And...despite
the addition of only one other guitarist on this tour (Mitsuo Tate), Robin
Guthrie still does almost nothing, although he's actually been lurching when
he plays. ROCK ON!!!
Matter of factly yours,
Roy
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:07:11 -0500
On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, daniel klyn wrote:
> much grass,
> dan
muchos, a. much, many.
gracias, f.pl. thanks, thank you.
Don't make fun of spanish, cos it's my favourite language.
I'm trying real hard not to be mean now, don't do it again.
no hablo iglesias, kagin
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:12:58 -0400
can someone tell me if these UK-issued singles are in or out of print
from 4ad?
1) Cocteau Twins -- Peppermint Pig
2) Kristen Hersh -- Your Ghost
please reply by personal email to [email protected]
thanks
mike