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Subject: Re: Just when you're beaten up...
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:43:00 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: mojave three likes / tales of the mighty brave IDA!!!!
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 04:07:53 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@gopher.chem.wayne.edu)
Subject: Alice
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:20:48 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: recommendations
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:14:37 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: recommendations
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:23:01 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: enough of this HNIA speed thing!
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 04:32:33 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: enough of this HNIA speed thing!
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 08:03:42 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: enough of this HNIA speed thing!
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 09:08:06 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: enough of this HNIA speed thing!
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 09:50:12 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: DCD in Miami
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 12:07:14 -0400
From: Carlos Castellanos (paintdbd@netrunner.net)
Subject: This World Is Not My Home
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 14:04:30 -0500
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: RHP-So. Cal
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:28:13 -0700
From: "Ron N." (ronish@ARTNET.NET)
Subject: everyone must listen to IDA
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:16:08 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: New PostScript catalogue generated
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:43:17 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: Milk & Kisses ltd box
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:23:03 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: recommendations
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:27:21 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: a request about the contest...
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:23:20 -0700
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: This World Is Not My Home
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 20:11:07 -0700
From: Josh Gentry (josh@ASU.EDU)

Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:43:00 -0700
From: David McCallum (mccallum@EFN.ORG)
Subject: Re: Just when you're beaten up...


Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> > P.S. It's great that MBM are still around through so many bankrupt,uncaring,
> > or unfaithful labels and after carrying around such a "turn-off" name for so
> > many years.  I was only a few years ago that someone pointed out to me that
> > it is a kind of slang for masturbation.  If one gets to know Jack, one
> > would find it probably refers to vegetarianism and "annihilating rhythm."
>
> Oh, I always thought "annihilating" was used here as an adjective, not
> a verb.

Interesting thinking about it both ways, I suppose.  I think it is
probably used as a verb as it is from a poem called "The Annihilation of Rhythm"
- a poem with the line "...alive with the blood that boils again and is pulsing
where the rhythm is torn apart."

The poem is by I. Penman and the portion I have heard is found on Grace Jones's
superb album _Slave to the Rhythm_, touting Trevor Horn and Stephen Lipson's
excellent ZTT work.

(_Slave_ is the track used by The Orb in "Huge, Ever-Growing....")

David.


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 04:07:53 -0400
From: "James M. Renaud" (jrenaud@gopher.chem.wayne.edu)
Subject: mojave three likes / tales of the mighty brave IDA!!!!


someone stated that they liked mojave three and what else was close and
good.
        4*A*D's very own tarnation. low, codeine, spain, slowdive (eh,eh),
and one of my favorite records of the year...ida. ida's record is on
jennifer twoomey's (liquorice, tsunami, grenadine) label simple machines.
the album is called i know about you. the boy-girl vocals are very melodic
and harmonic. the light strums of the guitar add to a beautiful, simple,
floaty background. "thank you" is such a beautiful song. it has been
released earlier on a seven inch. "thank you" throws in guitar and live
strings (cello, violin). elizabeth mitchell's voice is so calming and
assuring. what i liked about liquorice was mainly their live shows because
ida frontman daniel littleton added back-up and lead vocals and harmonized
so well with jennifer twoomey. see liquorice and/or ida live. at least the
ida record is just as good as they pull it off live.
simple machines * po box 10290, arlington, va., usa 22210-1290
ida * 532 laguardia place #324, new york, ny., usa 10012

**************************** star vein ***********************************
**************************** http://www.science.wayne.edu/~jrenaud *******
**************************** jrenaud@sun.science.wayne.edu ***************
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"since feeling is first who pays any attention to the syntax of things" **
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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:20:48 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Alice


On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, naor wrote:

> >This might be worth the price of the cd all by itself, but as an added
> >bonus you get the best song Mazzy Star has recorded to date,...
>
> what! again? curses!!
> this soundtrack fashion is going to leave me flat broke.

I should mention that the Cocteaux song *will* be on the Violaine single.
Sorry for the misinformation but I had been told otherwise. (Now go order
the Violaine singles from Dave at EAR/Rational, who just saved you $13.)
As for the Mazzy song, I would assume it will be available on an album or
single soon (hell maybe it's an old b.side; i was never that into them)
since there is nothing else exclusive to this soundtrack.

 e

Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:14:37 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: recommendations


On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Jens Alfke wrote:

> Jason Marc Morehead:
> >     does anyone know of any artists, other than mojave 3 and scenic,
> >who make melancholy, atmospheric, mellow music that has a
> >country/western tinge?

Crime and the City Solution - The Brideship; Paradise Discotheque
Simon Bonney - Forever (singer from C&CS)
certain Nick Cave records I can't recommend cuz I hate him
Mazzy Star (you probably knew this)
Tarnation (you even more probably knew this but what the hell)
Fields of the Nephilim - The Nephilim (pretty goth with a Morricone flair)
Mark Knopfler - Golden Heart (some, especially the last half)

C&CS have a hard edge to them much of the time, but the atmosphere of
much of their work may be exactly what you're looking for. They are sort
of to country what And Also the Trees are to goth. The Simon Bonney
album is fully a country album so I might check that first to see if I
like his style. (His second album is closer to 'mainstream' country and
is to be avoided like the plague.)

I would like to hear some more about A Small Good Thing, pretty please. :)

And Scenic, for that matter.

> As I recall, the second half of Harold Budd's "Abandoned Cities" has an
> ambient slide-guitary sound, too, but I may be mixing it up with
> something else. It's a damn fine album regardless.

I think you may be thinking of the CD compilation of that and _The Serpent
(In Quicksilver)_ but good luck finding them separately anyhow. ;)
Abandoned Cities is wonderful but it is in every way ambient drone with
no such quirks as you describe. The attached album I mentioned however
has nice moments of slide guitar and a general feel of open western
spaces. For more of this (*much* more, actually) look to By the Dawn's
Early Light, which he recorded in 1991. It's got a lot of nice guitar
picking, pedal steel and a lot of marvelous viola. This all gets cast in
a mystical sort of light thanks to a bit of harp, some clever titles, and
a few of his somewhat annoying poems (which here, unlike elsewhere except
on She Is a Phantom, are rather good).


 e


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:23:01 PDT
From: naor (naor_y@NETVISION.NET.IL)
Subject: Re: recommendations


einexile the meek wrote:
>certain Nick Cave records I can't recommend cuz I hate him

you shouldn't go around hating people e. it's not good for you
you know. bad carma and all that...  :-)

also
>Fields of the Nephilim - The Nephilim (pretty goth with a Morricone flair)

 is it just a coincidence? nephilim means giants in ancient hebrew.
 it fits the title pretty well so maybe it isn't a coincidence.
 has this been discussed here in the past?



-naor-


V live long and prosper V


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 04:32:33 -0800
From: a device for squeezing a calico extract (NMARSHALL@POMONA.EDU)
Subject: enough of this HNIA speed thing!


Doesn't everyone know that it needs to be played at a constant LINEAR
velocity past the needle and not a constant ANGULAR velocity?
The angular velocity is 45 rpm near the center and slows down to 33 1/3
at the edge. Sheesh
Isn't this in the FAQ? Double sheesh.

No, what I really am wondering is-- Is this thing any good?
Does it make your heart stop until you remember to jump start it?
Do your eyes pop out of your head and tie themselves in knots?
Should I spend my hard earned cash right away on it?

Thanks loads,
-nick


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 08:03:42 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: enough of this HNIA speed thing!


        i dunno about all that linear/angular shit, but my
        trusty 'dual' turntable has only 33 and 45 rpm
        modes, no mid-side auto speed switching.  damn.

        but yes, esp family and hnia little princess are
        both definately worth the pawltry 4 bucks apiece
        that one pays out for them.  the song 'this world
        is not my home' on ESP family is an eye-popper
        fer sher, and the little princess 45 will teleport
        you back into a world of sixties AM radio, like if
        hendrix were playing surf-rock....

        get em!
        dan


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 09:08:06 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: enough of this HNIA speed thing!


The new HNIA ('Universal Frequencies') is very disturbing. I have gone a
couple times to put it into the player and then decided that I wasnt up
to the challenge, and put something else in instead. But I think this is
a good thing. Its sorta a difficult record the way "Home is In Your
Head" was... and like that disc, I'm sure UF will go on to be a treasured
part of my collection, but it wont be easy. Very challenging music.


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 09:50:12 -0400
From: Srilank@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: enough of this HNIA speed thing!


>Doesn't everyone know that it needs to be played at a constant LINEAR
>velocity past the needle and not a constant ANGULAR velocity?
>The angular velocity is 45 rpm near the center and slows down to 33 1/3
>at the edge. Sheesh
>Isn't this in the FAQ? Double sheesh.

ahh, the old linear vs. angular theory...well, without getting into this epic
of an argument (that was discussed here on *this* list last November, and
nearly caused a riot between some listies, AND spoiled a few Thanksgiving
feasts as well I'm sure)  I will say this:  There is a trick to playing the
HNIA 7".  (I know you knew this, but I'm just re-stating the directions that
are scratched into the run-off groove)  They go something along the lines
of-- "You begin this side (the HNIA one) at 78 rpm, continue this until the
guitar finger picking subsides.  When the vocals start, switch to 16 rpm
immediately!  The effects are chilling (and slow).  Let sit for one minute,
and while there remains only 45 seconds left of the song, flip the switch (or
dial [for you vintage victrola owners out there]) back and forth between 45
rpm and 33 rpm quickly!  This is the key.  Remember to bring a chair to sit
down on and plenty of water to drink.  This can become tiring (and we don't
want any dehydration law suits hitting us here at the shaolin temple)"

All of this is clearly stated, like I said, in the run-off grooves of the 7".
 Now, the Little princess side has completely different directions, but since
we're not discussing that side of the platter, I won't go there.

>No, what I really am wondering is-- Is this thing any good?

IF you do it correctly.

>Does it make your heart stop until you remember to jump start it?

This happens if you do NOT do it correctly.

>Do your eyes pop out of your head and tie themselves in knots?

This is rare, but it can happen.  (tip: bring a mirror and a children's shoe
horn.  If this does happen, you can fix it yourself.  Just remember to stay
calm, stay calm.)

>Should I spend my hard earned cash right away on it?

Yes.  I think you're up for the challenge.

Thanks for reading.   Be careful.

jason

srilank@aol.com


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 12:07:14 -0400
From: Carlos Castellanos (paintdbd@netrunner.net)
Subject: DCD in Miami


Does anyone have any info on DCD tickets going on sale in Miami?
I know they're supposed to come down here on Aug 21 or thereabouts so
tickets should go on sale fairly soon.

Thanks
--
===================================
Carlos Castellanos
paintdbd@netrunner.net
===================================


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 14:04:30 -0500
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: This World Is Not My Home


I think that song (as well as the alternate version on UF) is great, but
did Warren write it?  I heard somewhere that 2 of the songs on the ESP
family 7" were Warren and friends, and the other two were actual songs
recorded in the 1930's.  Is this true?  Is "This World..." an original,
because it sounds so familiar.  BTW, I bought "Universal Frequencies"
yesterday and I was really blown away...I think the last song(s) is
really beautiful, with all the little changes.  I can't wait to hear the
rest of the album.

Matt

p.s. - who is the guy in the center of the CD case???


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:28:13 -0700
From: "Ron N." (ronish@ARTNET.NET)
Subject: RHP-So. Cal


Does anyone know if RHP are playing any other Southern California dates besides 
he McCabes show?  Thanks.

Ron

Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:16:08 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: everyone must listen to IDA


  just want to say that ida are BRILLIANT and have been for some
  time. :) if you think the liqourice album was good, ok, or lacking...
  you should check out ida because they are far more superior than
  liquorice. liz has a much sweeter, softer voice than jenny toomey
  and dan {who deserved more vocal time on the liquorice rekkid}
  is an amazing musician all around.

  can anyone answer this ida question for me? - i ordered the new cd
  from No Life's web page and under the ida category was a cd called
  "trouble". is this something i should already have? i'm a bit confused.
  i have "tales of brave ida" and the follow-up 7" {and an extra copy
  of said 7", if anyone wants it for $5 ppd}. what's this "trouble"
  thing????


  soon to be a godmother,
  k-j

  ...would propose to dan littleton if given the chance...


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:43:17 +0000
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen (larsi@IFI.UIO.NO)
Subject: New PostScript catalogue generated


I've fiddled some more with the PostScript version of the
discography.  The page numbers now use the right font; the sleeve
scans are now larger (5 cm wide now; 4 cm wide before); and no sleeve
scans are left out on overflows.  (This does mean that some scans
appear much later than they should be -- some releases have lots of
images, and these bump later sleeves to later pages.  In one extreme
instance, the sleeve comes 6 pages after the release it belongs to.
Yikes!)

I think the larger pictures look much nicer, though.

The new version can be gotten from

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:23:03 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Milk & Kisses ltd box


EAR/Rational still has a couple of these in stock if anyone is looking.
I'm telling you guys because I'm kind of committed to one of them and
don't want it. :) If anyone would like to get rid of their deluxe edition
cd of King I'd be willing to trade the copy I would otherwise be stuck
with, if that makes any sense...

Thanks,

 e

Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:27:21 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: recommendations


On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, naor wrote:

> einexile the meek wrote:
> >certain Nick Cave records I can't recommend cuz I hate him
>
> you shouldn't go around hating people e. it's not good for you
> you know. bad carma and all that...  :-)

Carma...isn't that the spiritual magic that comes from the enchanted land
where people regularly set their wives on fire? No thanks. ;)

> also
> >Fields of the Nephilim - The Nephilim (pretty goth with a Morricone flair)
>
>  is it just a coincidence? nephilim means giants in ancient hebrew.
>  it fits the title pretty well so maybe it isn't a coincidence.
>  has this been discussed here in the past?

Their name does come from the Biblical reference, I believe, and they are
all very mixed up in that ancient mideast pre-Noah lore and whatnot.
(Didn't God create the Nephilim just so he could exterminate them or
something like that? I remember reading this somewhere; It's probably
crap.)

 e


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:23:20 -0700
From: Jack B Huynh (jhuy@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: a request about the contest...


if you win the contest and can't make it, please email ASAP! both winners
of the atlanta show had to work and emailed me a little late!

Since i submit the names of the winners two days prior to the concert, it
is really difficult to substitute other people.

thanks

jack b huynh
jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu

                                http://www.cocteautwins.com/treasure
                                OR http://205.147.5.69/


Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 20:11:07 -0700
From: Josh Gentry (josh@ASU.EDU)
Subject: Re: This World Is Not My Home


> p.s. - who is the guy in the center of the CD case???

looks like warren's mug to me.

josh


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