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Subject: Re: recommendations
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:15:48 -0400
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: Love Is Colder Than Death
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:24:29 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Moonshake and Laika
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 05:17:17 -0400
From: Lush Muse (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Re-release of FSOL"Papua New Guinea"
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 10:32:29 +0000 (BST)
From: A.R.Lockett (edarl@ssa.bris.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Moonshake and Laika
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 08:07:05 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: swallow
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 14:40:23 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: recommendations
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:52:24 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Blue Nile
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 14:10:32 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Re: Moonshake and Laika...girls gettin' da boot
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:09:01 -0500
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: scheerschuim
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 00:20:54 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: ESP deciphered!/ mighy ...C/Z?!
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:35:52 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: ESP deciphered!
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 20:33:03 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: recommendations
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 20:58:08 -0400
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: recommendations
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:19:25 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)

Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:15:48 -0400
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: recommendations


In a message dated 96-06-01 17:01:29 EDT, you write:

>does anyone know of any artists, other than mojave 3 and scenic,
>who make melancholy, atmospheric, mellow music that has a
>country/western tinge?

get Scud Mountain Boys....it may hit the spot. Dont let the fact that they
are a subpop band scare you.   I am enjoying it as we speak.  Also try
Opal/Mazzy Star.  And Low (only if you dont mind sparing the country tinge).

jennifer
(who just read the other replies after writing this, but will post her 2cents
anyway)


Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:24:29 +0600
From: cz (cz@U.WASHINGTON.EDU)
Subject: Love Is Colder Than Death


If you haven't yet heard *Love is Colder than Death* then you're missing out.
Early LiCtD is haunting and beautiful, mournful and somber.  The most recent
album, *Oxeia*, put an end to the mediocre industrial trappings and inferior
male vocals and brought on a more immediately appealing sound.  I just bought
the latest EP/Maxi-Single, *Spellbound* which finds them meandering even closer
to the sound of DCD's Aion--only it's more vibrant.  While Susann's voice is not
quite as exceptional as Lisa Gerrard's it may be more accessible.  This EP has 4
songs including "non lievi alchun" which was featured on Hyperium Records'
Heavenly Voices III compilation.  If you've heard the HV compilations then you
know what to expect from this group:  layers of Susann's voice with rhythmic
neoclassical pop accompaniment.  Here, they throw a little middle eastern/celtic
drone into the mix.  Unlike all of the earlier LiCtD albums, there are no slow
atmospheric pieces here, they don't stop to take a breath until it's all over
and then you've got to just play it again (it's too short at ca.11 min).
Hopefully that new full length album they've been promising will come out before
i overplay these songs.

-cz


Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 05:17:17 -0400
From: Lush Muse (Lushmuse@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Moonshake and Laika


laika is going to have something new out in the fall...moonshake and pram
both left too pure and are now on c/z records based in seattle.


Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 03:49:39 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Re-release of FSOL"Papua New Guinea" (fwd)


Yay, etc...

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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 10:32:29 +0000 (BST)
From: A.R.Lockett (edarl@ssa.bris.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Re-release of FSOL"Papua New Guinea"


Zenon M. Feszczak wrote:
>
> A 1996 release on Hypnotic.
> Hypnotic CLP 9743-2.
>
> "Papua New Guinea" by Future Sound of London in (!) 8 (!) versions.
>
> 1. 7" original
> 2. Andrew Weatherall Mix
> 3. Dub Mix
> 4. Journey to Pyramid
> 5. Graham Massey Mix
> 6. Dumb Child of Q Mix
> 7. 12" original
> 8. Hamish McDonald Mix
>
> Includes a new psychedelic 3D cover, similar to that of the Accelerator
> re-release, also on Hypnotic.
>
        I have a 12" released on Jumpin' and Pumpin' here in 1992
        which has all of these mixes but 1. and 8. on the above list plus
        something called "Monsoon Mix". If anyone is interested in this,
        I would be happy to let it go for a small fee (cost me 4 pounds 49
        pence new - not played much). Postage to the States could be a problem
        though (?).

alan/beyondthebristolsound


Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 08:07:05 -0800
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Moonshake and Laika


Matthew T De Bellis wrote:
>margaret used to be in moonshake, but she got kicked out by david, and
>took their producer, guy fixsen and formed laika.

.. and also bassist extraordinaire John Frennet, who was always (except
on their First EP) one of the linchpins of the Moonshake Sound. Now that
I've finally heard some jungle [thanks, Gil] I can understand the
comparisons that have been leveled at Laika (and some
Moonshake-con-Margaret, e.g. "Girlyloop") -- it's the fast beats plus dub
bass thing, but I think Moonshake/Laika do it in a more interesting way
than any jungle I've heard [sorry, Gil]. That jungle breakbeat just gets
on my nerves, I s'pose.

I hadn't heard before that Margaret was booted by David; if so, it's
another instance of "guy kicks chick out of band, chick kicks his sorry
butt vis a vis record sales and critical acclaim" that we're familiar
with in the aftermath of the Pixies.

__________                                            __________________
Jens Alfke                                            jens@mooseyard.com
            Some outside and some indoors--
            Oh my oh my oh dinosaurs            ________________________
                                                http://www.mooseyard.com


Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 14:40:23 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: swallow


Swallow are (in part) now called 'Busy Going Crazy' and have an ep out on
white lines communications. Really BGC is about 1.25swallow Mike Mason
does the work and louise exists in sample only.

btw 'Buy Going Crazy' is also the title of a pretty cool image by Barbara
Kruger.

Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:52:24 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: recommendations


At 2:15 AM 6/2/96, Jennifer Jamieson wrote:
>In a message dated 96-06-01 17:01:29 EDT, you write:
>
>>does anyone know of any artists, other than mojave 3 and scenic,
>>who make melancholy, atmospheric, mellow music that has a
>>country/western tinge?
>
>get Scud Mountain Boys....it may hit the spot. Dont let the fact that they
>are a subpop band scare you.   I am enjoying it as we speak.  Also try
>Opal/Mazzy Star.  And Low (only if you dont mind sparing the country tinge).
>
>jennifer
>(who just read the other replies after writing this, but will post her 2cents
>anyway)

I want to co-sign on jennifer's comments.  The "Boys" are really, really
good...but the new album is a little hard to find at the moment or at least
in Berkeley.

==================================================
"Keep Peace With Your Soul. Strive to be Happy. It's Not Easy Fighting the
20th Century."
              In The Nursery
                                     ~|~
                                    /---\
                                   | 0^0 |
                                     <">
                                    \/*\/
                                 Fred Da Pagan
                                   _/_/_/_/
                                  _/   _/
                                 _/_/_/
                                _/
                               _/
           /\_/\
           (o o)
      --ooO-(o)-Ooo--  Pagan Man's sidekick gOD.

Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 14:10:32 -0500
From: "Jose A. Garcia Camil" (pepegtc@HALCON.LAGUNA.UAL.MX)
Subject: Blue Nile


for those of you interested, here=B4s a little info on the Blue Nile:

The reclusive Blue Nile, the band led by
                                     Glasgow-based Paul Buchanan, will tour
this summer. The
                                     touring version of the group will be
the same particularly
                                     awesome combo that toured the U. S.
following the 1990
                                     release of Hats. The trek will begin in
July and run through
                                     August. The Blue Nile's latest album,
Peace At Last, will be
                                     released on June 11. Where previous
albums were
synth-based, the new one appears to utilize more acoustic instruments; a
non-electrified guitar is prominent
in the mix on many of the tracks. The album was recorded in Dublin, Paris
and L. A., with co-producer Callum
Malcolm utilizing a mobile recording set-up that allowed him to turn
practically any location that caught
Buchanan's fancy into a recording studio.=20

Sorry about the text format.

Pepe
*************************************************
'Just give me an easy life and a peaceful death.'
                               The Sundays
*************************************************


Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:09:01 -0500
From: Matthew T De Bellis (mdebelli@SHRIKE.DEPAUL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Moonshake and Laika...girls gettin' da boot


I am so sick of that....it always seems like it's the guys who have the
ego, i.e., want "their" songs to be all over the album.  Why can't they
just work as a team?  I know of Moonshake and Pixies where it was like
that, but I think I can recall several other bands where a memeber,
usually a tad more talented, was kicked out.  I remember hearing that
Moonshake's final live performances (with Margaret in the band) were
really weird, lots of bitterness and bad vibes on stage, like the Pixies

Pram is on C/Z??????????  What's up with that??????

Matt

Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 00:20:54 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: scheerschuim


>Next week in Amsterdam: Scheer - I'm going

I went, but they didn't... the show was canceled!

But... did you know the name of the band is taken from a product we call
'scheerschuim' over here in the Netherlands. In another language it's
called 'shavingfoam' or something. (scheer/scheren = shave/shaving). They
would have called it 'Sheer' but it sounds a bit like 'Suede' or 'Blur'
(too much britpop) so when they saw the dutch word 'scheer' they added the
'c'.

They (scheer) told this information to a dutch magazine...

Does this explain 'Shaving' in 'Shaving the Pavement'?



Met vriendelijke groet,


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, June 3, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl
... http://www.luna.nl/~efdee


Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:35:52 -0400
From: "Gil Gershman (GuerillaG/TooKranky)" (TooKrnky@AOL.COM)
Subject: ESP deciphered!/ mighy ...C/Z?!


Hi -
I had too much time on my hands, so here you go - in answer to the question
of "What exactly IS the track listing for the ESP Summer Remixes 10". HK, if
I'm wrong, let me (and everyone) know... but I think I've got it.
Hahahahahahahaha! Oh - and thanks for releasing this gorgeous, life-affirming
(Warren's-talent affirming, too!) piece of wax.

Star Side
1. "Grows" = No June, version 1 (the sprightly victrola-record version)
2. "Snow" = Sticky Sun
3. "Tomorrow" = On You
4. "Today" = Web of Dream
5. "You" = Splinters (or at least some part of it)
6. "Friendly" = No June, version 2 (the eerie ambient version)

There's yet another set of titles, presumably for the UK-folk who are
listening to (ahem!) ESP Dolphin, not ESP Summer. Also note that the 33 1/2
--- 45 rpm joke is given away, since the ESP Continent CD tells us to "please
play fast". Oh, you jokers, you!


As for C/Z and Pram, there's a very simple explanation: His name is Clark Von
Trotha, and he's a musical visionary. Not in making music, but in encouraging
its growth.

Remember when I went on and on about the AE label, Lucid, and After the
Flood? AE is Clark's "child" - his dream label. The groups (also including
the forthcoming Snow Ponies album, Debbie G from MBV and Mary Hansen from
Stereolab!!!!!) work under Clark's aegis as well. Look for AE - whose
releases are all released in ltd. editions of 500, so be warned - and be
quick! - to become a very important label in the future.
I don't want to say it but.... well.... you know.

When Clark isn't stirring up his own quiet revolution in Seattle, he's busy
cunningly attracting TooPure acts (Pram, Moonshake, and various members of
other 'groops' past and present) to sign with C/Z! It sounds strange, doesn't
it? But C/Z has excellent distribution (through BMG/Arista or something) and
has proven quite faithful to these underappreciated (we can say 'genius')
bands.
I think that you'll be very pleasantly surprised when you see what starts
coming out of C/Z soon... I'm not going to spoil it for you, so just keep
your eyes peeled. Clark has some very high-and-mighty musical friends, and he
has a way of getting the most unlikely people involved in his grand "let's
build Rome in HALF a day!" schemes.

BTW, 4AD-List smart-alecs (you know who you are!), Clark didn't put me up to
this and this is NOT an advertisement. Hell, he hasn't the slightest idea
that I just posted this.  So don't think that it's all a load of publicity.
It's not. Clark and AE are the real thing. Keep watching for further
developments.

small (but necessary) correction -
(thanks, Jens ... the paranthetical back-slapping continues)

When I posted about the SpaceAge "The New Atlantis" compilation, I said that
the Bowery Electric track was new and worth the price of the CD alone.
Whoops. "Out of Phase" is VERY much on their s/t debut Kranky cd. So now
there's one less reason to pick up this disappointing, but well-packaged,
history-of-SpaceAge disc.

obligatory rave:

Archive - Londinium 10" - anyone know anything about this? Absolutely STELLAR
melancholy trip-hop! There are STRINGS, but it's more Stravinsky than
schmaltz. There's so little information given on the sleeve. Anybody have a
clue? :-(

GuerillaG - wondering where all the listies have gone.

- if you're an obsessive proofreader (like me), the Roy M/W&C paragraph of my
long-winded "sounds like 'Pygmalion'..." post should read:

"4) WINDY & CARL and ROY MONTGOMERY both capture MAURICE D's flights of
guitar fancy ..." - there! Now it makes sense! :-D

...and the EiG title is PALE HANDS I LOVED SO WELL. no "that"...

Okay, so I'm as persnickety as a schoolmarm... shoot me.


Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 20:33:03 -0400
From: Joseph Burns (jaburns@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU)
Subject: Re: ESP deciphered!


interesting de-crypting of the ESP Summer 10"

I have no quibbles with its accuracy except to note that the 'summer'
tracks are not the SAME as their 'continent' counterparts, but the
'contenent' songs are the sources that serve sorta as samples on the
'summer' 10" for Warren's re-mixing/mastering/tweaking/whatnot.

One question I have is - has anybody actually gotten their hands on an
'ESP DOLPHIN' or was that name scrapped in favour of
Continent(euro)/Summer(us) ? Even when searching the racks in the UK and
France in the last few weeks I came up with only ESP CONTINENT. I know
Ian was considering calling the thing 'Dolphin' but that was quite a
while ago and I dont think it saw fruition. (of course I could be wrong
here... any concrete info would be great.)

Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 20:58:08 -0400
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: recommendations


In a message dated 96-06-02 15:28:25 EDT, you write:

>I want to co-sign on jennifer's comments.  The "Boys" are really, really
>good...but the new album is a little hard to find at the moment or at least
>in Berkeley.
>
>

is there another album besides massachusetts?
jennifer


Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:19:25 -0700
From: "Elvia M. Tarango" (elvia@UCLINK3.BERKELEY.EDU)
Subject: Re: recommendations


At 8:58 PM 6/2/96, Jennifer Jamieson wrote:
>In a message dated 96-06-02 15:28:25 EDT, you write:
>
>>I want to co-sign on jennifer's comments.  The "Boys" are really, really
>>good...but the new album is a little hard to find at the moment or at least
>>in Berkeley.
>>
>>
>
>is there another album besides massachusetts?
>jennifer

Yes, but I can't remember the name of the album. I can't find the new album
anywhere. Dear god, help my pitiful soul.

On a total different tangent, check out the band called 'Emma Peel'. They
rock...New York style.

==================================================
"Keep Peace With Your Soul. Strive to be Happy. It's Not Easy Fighting the
20th Century."
              In The Nursery
                                     ~|~
                                    /---\
                                   | 0^0 |
                                     <">
                                    \/*\/
                                 Fred Da Pagan
                                   _/_/_/_/
                                  _/   _/
                                 _/_/_/
                                _/
                               _/
           /\_/\
           (o o)
      --ooO-(o)-Ooo--  Pagan Man's sidekick gOD.