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Subject: where knock is open wide
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 06:38:56 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Scratchings
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:44:58 -0500
From: loveless (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Cheesy sandman horror flik
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:38:18 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Ivo has taste.
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:45:01 -0500
From: loveless (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: the modern Modern English
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:55:29 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ivo has taste.
Date: 5/30/96 10:45 AM
From: Alex Mayo (Alex.Mayo@ENTEX.COM)
Subject: more Elysium shows
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:39:19 -0700
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Elysium show
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:35:41 -0700
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Ivo has taste.
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:59:52 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Ivo has taste.
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:35:54 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Scratchings
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:50:59 -0700
From: Brian Keeley (gysin@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: food for thought
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:28:10 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Scratchings/Lush
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 00:26:11 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: a few slowdive/mojave questions.. (not 4ad but thislistieee
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:42:31 -0700
From: rainboy (rainboy3@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: dcd tickets in dc
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 17:06:05 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: digest
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:44:46 -0500
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: Re: Cheesy sandman horror flik
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:05:55 -0400
From: Gleason E Glover (Tym2surf@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: a few slowdive/mojave questions.. (not 4ad but thislist
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:37:42 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: Cheesy sandman horror flik
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:08:14 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: PDM video / noise
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 20:10:29 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: STINA rumors STINA rumors STINA rumors
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:33:40 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 06:38:56 -0700
From: sean devine (kober@GAS.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU)
Subject: where knock is open wide


this MAY have been said before,
        "where knock is open wide" is not only a HNiA song but also a
theodore roethke poem. they are not the same, but the HNiA song really
captures the "michigan" in the Roethke poem. "fish me out" seems to be
the only ver-batim line between them. check out michigans own roethke in
that big huge building where they keep all the dead trees that are
written on.
                                                SEAN


Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:44:58 -0500
From: loveless (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Scratchings


I just wanna add my two cents as well...

Suede's Animal Nitrate 7" has:
"this skinny boy is one of the girls" and
"to the immoral immortal" scratched on it.

the end.

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:38:18 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Cheesy sandman horror flik


I saw this movie last night on cinemax or one of those pay-channels about a
guy who was killed and came back as a sandman who was killing people.   The
short of it was that it was this guy's brother who's dad had stitched his
mouth shut and used to beat him; so he killed the father, and then became this
ferocious killer.

Anyway, cheesy movie aside; they kept playing this one song; "go to sleep" or
something like that all throughout the movie and it was a really neat song.
Very haunting; and it was probably written just for the movie; but I'd like to
find it.  Anyone have any clues about this song?  It was a female vocalist and
kind of lilting lyrics; makes your skin crawl.  I liked it immediately.

marvyn

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:45:01 -0500
From: loveless (zelzah@SAT.NET)
Subject: Re: Ivo has taste.


Right on, Rick!
I always felt that way and had even posted something like that on this list
a while back [Re: "close minded individuals..."].  Hell I even have prince,
madonna, and even blind melon in my collection.

I just wrote this to let you know that you do not stand alone in your opinions.
And to everyone else who's not as open minded as to accept what 4AD now has
to offer, you can always search elsewhere for a new favorite label.
That's all.

-z.


subjective?  whatever.


Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:55:29 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: the modern Modern English


Modern English last night was a nice surprise indeed!
They didn't suck! They were actually really good, even
with Robbie Grey the only original member left. Most
of the set, all but three songs, was from their three
4AD albums, and two were from Mesh and Lace! It was
such a treat to hear them open with "16 Days". I think few
bands would have the guts to go back that far, and it was
quite true to the original, minus the samples. Later, they
even did "Gathering Dust," which I'm sure annoyed the hell
out of the new wave kids who were just there for "I Melt
With You"! Some of the songs suffered from not enough keyboard
(someone should tell that guy to learn the songs better) or
waek lead guitar, but overall it was very enjoyable. The only
song that just did not work was "Life In The Gladhouse"
which was mainly drums and nothing else. The band seemed
totally into playing the songs, and Robbie himself was
quite animated and cheerful. He kept acknowledging a group
up front obviously into the really old ones. At some point
one of them shouted an ancient song title like "Swans On Glass"
and one of the band members shrugged his shoulders while
Robbie said, 'they don't know how to play that!' Someone shouted
"I Melt With You" which brought a 'now, you're just going to
have to wait for that one'. After "16 Days" Robbie said 'that
was almost as good as sex!' Here's a complete list
of what they played, not in order:
16 Days
Gathering Dust
After The Snow
Life In The Gladhouse
I Melt With You
Ricochet Days
Hands Across The Sea
plus 3 new songs
Their new material sounded OK. I'd even go as far as saying
I'm looking forward to hearing the album. One of the three they
did, though, was rather bad. It was also very interesting that they
completely ignored both Stop Start and Pillow Lips. Maybe they
realized that these albums are almost universally hated.

Laika and the Cosmonauts were a load of fun. Really wacked out
surf music from Finland. Plus beyond all the craziness, they
were obviously brilliant musicians. Sadly, the crowd was much more
into the lousy grunge-funk opening band The Extinct, but there
was a small crowd swinging to the sand-n-surf eventually.


|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:10:30 -0400
From: Alex Mayo (Alex.Mayo@ENTEX.COM)
Subject: Re[2]: Ivo has taste.


     ===>> And to everyone else who's not as open minded as to accept what
     4AD now has
     to offer, you can always search elsewhere for a new favorite label.
     That's all.<==

     I agree with both your sentiments concerning this topic, but I also
     can understand the other side a bit as well. The same thing has
     happened with Wax Trax records. There was a point where you pretty
     much knew that if you liked the kind of music Wax Trax put out, you
     knew what to expect from the label. You could be assured that if you
     picked up a Wax Trax record, even if you never heard of the band,
     there was a pretty good chance you would like it. The same goes for
     4AD...I mean, I think it's cool that Ivo picks some of the bands he
     does, but it dilutes what used to be the '4AD sound' whatever that
     is. Wax Trax's fan base thinned out after they broadened their
     horizons...I don't see that happening to 4AD, because they appeal
     to a more divergent group of people. But the reason people dig 4AD or
     Wax Trax, or Sub Pop or whatever is because of the character that
     label expresses thru the acts they sign. I mean, you don't see any
     'Warner Brothers' or 'Sire' fan bases, because they are so divergent
     as to have no personality.
         Anyhow, thats my 2 cents for what it's worth.

     ===>Alex<===
     Alex.Mayo@entex.com

     "Now you listen to me. I'll only say it once: We are not sick men!"
     Bruce Lee, FIST OF FURY




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Subject: Re: Ivo has taste.

Date: 5/30/96 10:45 AM Right on, Rick! I always felt that way and had even posted something like that on this list a while back [Re: "close minded individuals..."]. Hell I even have prince, madonna, and even blind melon in my collection. I just wrote this to let you know that you do not stand alone in your opinions. And to everyone else who's not as open minded as to accept what 4AD now has to offer, you can always search elsewhere for a new favorite label. That's all. -z. subjective? whatever.

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:39:19 -0700
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: more Elysium shows


And if June 6th doesn't work for you, here are some other
dates for Elysium v.3:

Saturday June 1 at Haven in Pomona. 10pm

Saturday June 29 at Haven in Pomona, possibly with Eight Page Story
opening.

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:35:41 -0700
From: nelson@TRIFID.ASTRO.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Elysium show


The slightly refocussed Elysium continues to recapture
lost ground week by week. They're going to be playing
next week June 6th at the Coconut Teaszer on Sunset Blvd.
at Crescent Heights. 9pm sharp.
The cover charge is: age 21+ or with this 'flyer' $1
                     age 18 - 20.9999             $5.00

CDs and singles will be available as usual. So come help broaden
our fan base and meet some really nice people. We're looking
forward to meeting you!

|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:59:52 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Ivo has taste.


zelzah wrote:
>Hell I even have prince,
>madonna, and even blind melon in my collection.

I'll match your Prince and raise you Led Zeppelin, Benny Goodman,
Genesis, Thelonious Monk, Philip Glass, Pink Floyd, Beastie Boys and
James Brown. Plus recordings of Mongolian throat-singing and Hawaiian
slide guitar, and oh yes The Best Of Desi Arnaz. Who says any of the rest
of us only listen to 4AD/thislisty music?

>And to everyone else who's not as open minded as to accept what 4AD now has
>to offer, you can always search elsewhere for a new favorite label.
>That's all.

(a) Not liking particular releases does not imply that one's not open
minded. I think I'm fairly open minded, as perhaps the list above
demonstrates. I just happen to think nearly everything 4AD's released in
years isn't very interesting or innovative.
(b) Favorite label? Dunno if I have one. There doesn't seem to be a trend
toward things I like being on a single label, these days.

Ah well, old arguments being rehashed too often. I just wish people would
refrain from attacking the "open mindedness" of those of us who don't
worship all of 4AD's recent releases. OK?

__________          ___________________          ________________________
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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]

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                                            http://www.mooseyard.com/Jens/


Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:35:54 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: Re: Ivo has taste.


Jens Alfke writes:

>Ah well, old arguments being rehashed too often. I just wish people would
>refrain from attacking the "open mindedness" of those of us who don't
>worship all of 4AD's recent releases. OK?

Amen. As far as the ridiculous "closed mindedness" tag goes, it would
appear to be that most of us, as avid and meta-music lovers, are _quite
the contrary_.

_Bri
"devoted, insanely so"

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:50:59 -0700
From: Brian Keeley (gysin@MUGWUMP.UCSD.EDU)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Scratchings


If you check out the Lush Homepage, you'll find a long list of
ROGs.  I'll post them here to save you the trouble of firing up
your browser.

Reality

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

The Humourous Side of Lush

Peter Granstr\vm (damned ascii character set!) [f94-pgr@nada.kth.se]
provided us with the intitial list of run-off groove scribbles.
(ROGs are the little phrases that are often found scratched on the
inner circle of a vinyl record... where the run-off groove is.) It
has since been augmented.

Scar MLP:

"fanny tits delight" / "I'll still fondle you"

Mad Love 12":

"hey hey Howard..." / "what are you like?"

Sweetness and light 7":

"cool, fresh, milk float" / (nothing on the b-side)

Sweetness amd light 12":

"what's hiding under the sheets?" / (nothing)

Gala LP:

(nothing on any side)

Black Spring 7":

"And who's in `ere?" / "a little gum!"

Black spring 12":

"Lush and Ride at the Enormodrome" / "They've got this much talent"

For love 10":

"Steve, yah, bloody good bloke." / "Miki? Face like a bulldog chewing a wasp!"

For love 12":

"Chris - does a lotta work for charity" / "see that Emma from Lush?
-dyin' for it!"

Spooky LP:

(sorry, only got that as double 10")

Lush vs the Drum Club DJ-12"":

"the rule is - there are no rules!" / "we're not taking sides!"

Hypocrite 7":

"a funny thing happened to the way to the perineum" / "when the boot goes in"

Hypocrite 12":

"I've seen a table wine" / "a Norweigan pine"

Desire lines 7":

"back to the draining board" / "two bars on and vim under the sink"

Desire lines 12":

"I've seen a belly flop" / "and a record shop"

Split LP:

"I've seen a council skip" / "and a sunset strip"

Lovelife LP:

"Browning in a Sea of Brit Pop" / "No I've Never Seen a blind man's buff"


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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:28:10 -0700
From: Brian James Heileson (heileson@GLADSTONE.UOREGON.EDU)
Subject: food for thought


Alex, A.R. Kane  via  Simon Reynolds "Blissed Out - The Raptures of Rock":

"We want people to look at music in a new way, not just as a blase thing
that's just there in the background. It should be like when you see a
tree and suddenly it's a though you see it for the first time. You've
lived with trees for twenty-five years or whatever and it's got you so
you don't see them, and suddenly you think: "Amazing!" Biggest shock of
your life, when that kind of thing happens. I think music can help you
see things freshly and make you want to experience everything like that,
as though you'd just been born."


Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 00:26:11 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Scratchings/Lush


>If you check out the Lush Homepage, you'll find a long list of
>ROGs.  I'll post them here to save you the trouble of firing up
>your browser.
>
>Reality
>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>Spooky LP:
>

The double 10" running groove messages are:

"What do you call Lush's..."

"...bass player in Japan?..."

"...Rippon in Nippon..."

"...wise words, mate"


The LP running groove messages are:

"What do you call Lush's bass player in Japan?..."

"...Rippon in Nippon, wise words, mate"


Single Girl 7":

"Cheval de la nuit"

"Eat me I'm a chocolate frog"


Ladykillers 7":

"Cheval de la nuit"

"Eat me I'm a chocolate frog"


They obviously ran out of messages...

Frank
+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++


Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:42:31 -0700
From: rainboy (rainboy3@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Subject: a few slowdive/mojave questions.. (not 4ad but thislistieee

              indeed)

hello all..
   this is to be my first post here, though ive been a lurker
for some time now..anyhow, to simplify matters, here i go.....

one..can anyone point me in the direction of bands/albums using
     the methods and sounds such as slowdive's pygmalion album?
     i find it interesting and beautiful in its simplicity and
     minimalist attitude...

two..im also in search of bands/albums not unlike the sound of
     slowdive's ambient/electronic insturmentals "good day
     sunshine" and "missing you"..anyone who can help me find
     things similar to this as well will be praised..

three..im looking for slowdive/mojave3 shows..this goes without
       saying..i dont have a wide variety for trade, but i
       do have plenty of cure shows..

four..i recently found the "souvlaki/blue day" double cd *used*
      for a mere thirteen dollars..im wondering as to the exact
      rarity and going price for this..and no, its not for sale :-)
      i believe the catalogue number is something like crecd139x
      or something like that..


so thats all..anyone who can help me will have a fondness in my
heart forever..thanks in advance..


rainboy..catching halos on the moon..
--
               ...and all the tears you cry
                  theyre not tears for me
                  regrets about your life
                 theyre not regrets for me
              it never turns out how you want
                     why cant you see?
                  it all just slips away
                   it always slips away
                      eventually...
                         *cure*

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 17:06:05 -0400
From: TS61822@AOL.COM
Subject: dcd tickets in dc


it is my understanding that as of today tickets for the dead can dance show
at the warner location (1800 seats or so) have gone on public sale. no info
on the price.

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:44:46 -0500
From: Kendal Myka Obermeyer! (kobermey@UNLGRAD1.UNL.EDU)
Subject: digest

              Mari & Brian" at Apr 13, 96 08:11:30 pm

DIGEST 4AD-L



                (uh...what would i be doing wrong? :b) :)

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:05:55 -0400
From: Gleason E Glover (Tym2surf@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Cheesy sandman horror flik


i saw it too and thought it was very thislisty. also did anyone see the movie
hideawy theres a group on the soundtrack called miranda sex garden that i
know folks would just love and has anyone heard of an obscure banfd or
project called the black rose i'm seeking any info i can get on them.

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:37:42 -0400
From: WILDER SPACEMAN GONZALES AGREDA (932307@CENCO.ULIMA.EDU.PE)
Subject: Re: a few slowdive/mojave questions.. (not 4ad but thislist


> hello all..
>    this is to be my first post here, though ive been a lurker
> for some time now..anyhow, to simplify matters, here i go.....
>
> one..can anyone point me in the direction of bands/albums using
>      the methods and sounds such as slowdive's pygmalion album?
>      i find it interesting and beautiful in its simplicity and
>      minimalist attitude...

        I dont have lots of their dics but some songs i've heard from
The Durutti Column are on this direction.

> two..im also in search of bands/albums not unlike the sound of
>      slowdive's ambient/electronic insturmentals "good day
>      sunshine" and "missing you"..anyone who can help me find
>      things similar to this as well will be praised..

        The second Silvania album, Paisaje III, is very close to this
ambient style, though they sing on most of their songs. Anyway they
can give to that sound sensations of melancholy, beauty, and sweet
pornography. Paisaje is a real gem.

> so thats all..anyone who can help me will have a fondness in my
> heart forever..thanks in advance..

         Just to say that a great local band will release some stuff
on a sampler cd, their influences are slowdive's sound ala catch the
breeze, erik's song, silvania's shoegazer phase and some guitars a la
play fortoday, aforest, primary from cure. They're really great.


         Regards.

                Wilder.

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:08:14 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: Cheesy sandman horror flik


> i saw it too and thought it was very thislisty.

Didn't it rock?  I can't get that song out of my head!  I have to find it.  I
guess this entails taping the end of that movie the next time its on and
writing down the title and singer.

> also did anyone see the
> hideawy theres a group on the soundtrack called miranda sex garden that i

Miranda Sex Garden = Heavenly Voices II(?) I believe.  I like the song on the
compilation, but I haven't gone out and bought any of their CDs.  Maybe
someone else knows more about them?

> know folks would just love and has anyone heard of an obscure banfd or
> project called the black rose i'm seeking any info i can get on them.

Black Rose!!!!  I love them!  I have 2 of their CDs.  _the room inside_ and
_silent tears_ on contedisc out of Italy.  Unfortunately they've been sucked
up by Hyperium.  (Well, they could have suffered a worse fate elsewhere, I
guess...)  Mara is the woman's name who sings; she's half of the group.  I'm
not sure if the other guy with her is her husband or just fellow band member.
They cover a couple of cindyTalk tunes on _the room inside_.  "Circle of Shit"
and I forget the other one.  Email me personally if you want me to make a tape
of some of their stuff for you or something.  I wish more people liked them.
I think they've got a new CD out on Hyperium.



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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 20:10:29 -0700
From: Heffalump (n9344881@HONEYDEW.CC.WWU.EDU)
Subject: PDM video / noise


2 questions

Who is the guy working the Moog in the footage from the EPD-M3 1515-B
9-24-94 show in the Princess Dragon Mom Time Machine video?  Gosh, he
looks like Ian Masters...

Where can I get info regarding the history and origin of noise music
(Japanese in particular)?  [does such information exist?]

Mike

Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:33:40 -0500
From: hortman_m@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: STINA rumors STINA rumors STINA rumors


I have a friend in Sweden who is friends with the guy who did all the
instrumentation for Stina's new CD.  He thinks that this means that a new CD
is soon to come out!  :) :) Then I got this today from another friend:

>      It's me Marc Xavier from Canada, i just found out something that
> made my day so very very great!!???? Maybe you've heard this already but
> here i go anyways, brace yourself. Stina is coming out with two new
> records!!! one with original material and the other of rare obscure
> covers!!??


Can you say "Yippie"!  Call out the dogs, ma, Stina's back!!!!


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