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Subject: Looking for Cocteau Web Site
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 02:45:16 EST
From: David Boughey (dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU)
Subject: Dewdrops news
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:39:19 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Re: nephilim
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 08:51:26 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: nephilim II
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:04:18 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: nephilim II
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 03:16:59 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: Who? (was: new stuff in general)
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 06:43:41 -0400
From: "i spit on your grave, i leaf through your magazines"
Subject: stars on ESP
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 06:49:42 -0500
From: "Chad E. Burkey" (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: HNIA
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:58:48 -0400
From: Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group
Subject: Admin question
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:52:53 -0400
From: dave-g (dave@otd.umab.edu)
Subject: Stars on ESP
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:29:35 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: Looking for Cocteau Web Site
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:14:06 -0600
From: "Dr. Zeus" (john@CACHE.NET)
Subject: Upcoming releases (Scala etc.)
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:48:49 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Re: Dewdrops news
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:27:21 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Mojave 3 in L.A.
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:49:02 -0400
From: JoeJanecek@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: HNIA
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:27:48 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Underworld/new CT LP thoughts
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:44:28 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: 13 Year Itch For Auction
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:54:54 -0700
From: [suppressed]
Subject: Re: 13 Year Itch For Auction
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:33:10 -0700
From: Joonsuk Bae (bae@YAHOO.COM)
Subject: cocteau twins tour
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 18:04:49 -0400
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: Re: new CT LP thoughts
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:28:03 -0600
From: "Dr. Zeus" (john@CACHE.NET)
Subject: Re: 13 Year Itch For Auction
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 00:42:12 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Tarnation Concert
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 23:05:02 -0400
From: "J. Scott Carradice" (jscottc@INTERLOG.COM)

Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 02:45:16 EST
From: David Boughey (dboughey@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU)
Subject: Looking for Cocteau Web Site


I can't seem to find the Cocteau Twins web site.  Yes I have tried the
connection in the FAQ, it doesn't work, just like my bookmarks and whole lot of
other connections I have tried.  Someone probably announced the new location
before and I will be terribly embarrassed, so just email me privately.  I need
to visit the site regularly so I can continue to be depressed by the fact there
are no plans to tour Australia.

David Boughey
Charismatic Megafauna
dboughey@dest.gov.au


Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:39:19 -0700
From: Dewdrops Records (nelson@ASTRO.UCLA.EDU)
Subject: Dewdrops news


Here are some more or less relevant news notes from Dewdrops:

Issue 15. Yes we know the last issue came out last August,
but the next is very nearly ready. Trust me.

The 'Christmas' single. I really can't say when we'll finally
have these ready. We've had the records since January, but
SOMEONE hasn't been committed enough to get anything done on
finishing the packaging. At least there's a good excuse:

Pat and Eleanor just had a baby girl on Wednesday afternoon.
This will all but end Pat's involvement with Dewdrops.

Our latest home brew, for now just dubbed 'baby brew', turned
out great! For now the only way you can experience some quality
brew is to pay us a visit.

My favorite new band, Eight Page Story, is playing Saturday night
in Pomona at Haven. Think Sundays. Think wonderful indiepop.
Now stop thinking and just GO already!

My other favorite band of some acquaintance, Honeywater, is playing
TONIGHT, Friday, at the E-Bar in Pasadena.

Foreteen. The more I think about it, the more I'm wondering if it
makes sense to do another 4AD tribute. I mean, I'd love to,
and this one would be SO MUCH BETTER than Thurtene, but
I'm torn between doing that and putting out a straight compilation
of all these wonderful bands I want people to hear, and wouldn't
they be taken more seriously with their own material
rather than doing a 4AD cover? Plus a lot of people (me included)
are kinda down on 4AD of late, and perhaps a tribute
would seem out of place. I welcome any comments.


|     Brant Nelson | 1817 Corinth Ave. #10 | open your eyes
| Dewdrops Records | LA, CA 90025-5567     | to northern skies
| Uncommon music that deserves to be heard |
| http://www.astro.ucla.edu/students/nelson/dewdrops.html


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 08:51:26 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: nephilim


On Thu, 16 May 1996 14:32:43 -0500 HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
>why does "Elizium" and "Earth Inferno" have 90% of the same songs on
>both?

I'm not certain, but - isn't one a compilation and one a live album?  Or was
the compilation called something else?  This is silly.  I've GOT the thing,
but I can't remember its title.  I'm at work y'see...

Still, I'm looking forward to McCoy's Nefilim at the Astoria in a week's time.


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:04:18 +0100
From: Chris Limb (c.limb@IOE.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: nephilim II


Please ignore my last posting, because...

>On Thu, 16 May 1996 14:32:43 -0500
>HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US wrote:
>>why does "Elizium" and "Earth Inferno" have 90% of the same songs on
>>both?
>
>I'm not certain, but - isn't one a compilation and one a live album?  Or was
>the compilation called something else?  This is silly.  I've GOT the thing,
>but I can't remember its title.  I'm at work y'see...

No, no NO STOP!  I've just remembered.  "Elyzium" is the band's (second?)
studio album.  "Earth Inferno" is a live album (probably of the "Elysium" tour)

Glad I straighted that one out.



Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 03:16:59 PDT
From: Chris_Ayres.JNB01@INTL.RX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: nephilim II


Laura (CD compilation of Burning the fields and Return to Gehenna)
Dawnrazor (1st studio LP)
The Nephilim (2nd Studio LP)
Elyzium (3rd Studio LP)
Earth Inferno (Live DB LP)
Revelation (Double Compilation CD)
BBC Concerts (Live)
Nefilim

Nefilim is brillaint. Speed metal with a bit of the old Neph thrown in. Got the 
td edition,
with booklet in box etc. Very nice

Chris


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 06:43:41 -0400
From: "i spit on your grave, i leaf through your magazines"
Subject: Re: Who? (was: new stuff in general)


>Thomas Koner. I just got anice message from somoene on the ambient list
>recommending his work and would like some opinions from people here. My
>interest is particularly piqued since this guy wrote me largely in
>agreement with a comment I made about the "holy trinity" of On Land, The
>Pearl, and Sleeps with the Fishes.

I have Ko"ner's "Teimo" which is really good - a lot of very subtle sub bass
drones that build up slowly, with some weird metallic sounds in the
distance. Someone I know compared it favourably with Eno's "Neroli".

Larry


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 06:49:42 -0500
From: "Chad E. Burkey" (burkey@CSTAR.AC.COM)
Subject: stars on ESP


I managed to get a hold of a copy of this yesterday and have been listening
to it virtually non-stop since.  In addition to what BiZ had said about it
(which I believe I agree with) I have the following to add...

As far as how this compares to other HNIA albums:  I would say that is
least like Livonia and most like HIIYH with hints of MBM here and there.
This album seems to be a successor to HIIYH albeit much less dark (kind of
like HIIYH lite).  Now this is not necessarily a bad thing, just different.
In much the same way as HIIYH, much of the disc just flows from one song to
another with little in the way of concernable silence to indicate one
song's ending and another's beginning.

One problem I have with it, however, is the odd mix Warren made.  Almost
all of the vocals are slightly muffled.  Because of this, Karen's beautiful
voice is missing that cleanness and clarity that I have always been a
sucker for.

Drums are *very* far back in the mix and are therefore much quieter than
one would expect them to be.  The guitars are as prominent as they were on
HIIYH and sound very similar, too (especially the acoustics).

Anyway, these are just some of my initial impressions.  BTW, when is the ep
supposed to be released?

Chad


Chad

"I'm not who you think you are"


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:58:48 -0400
From: Thomas Homulka/San Francisco SPL/Group
Subject: HNIA


Does anyone know the UK and US release dates for the HNIA EP and full-length
CDs?

Thanks in advance,
Tom
thomulka.worldgroup@notes.compuserve.com


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:52:53 -0400
From: dave-g (dave@otd.umab.edu)
Subject: Admin question


sorry to post this to the list.

would the list admin person please contact me directly.  thanks

dave-g  (dave@otd.umab.edu)

Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:29:35 -0400
From: Rich Holtzman (Richieis1@AOL.COM)
Subject: Stars on ESP


In my opinion, the best way to approach the new HNIA record is to go into
without any preconceptions of what Warren has done and to think of 60's AM
Radio.  For me that is what explains the sound and the feel of the record the
best.
bye


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:14:06 -0600
From: "Dr. Zeus" (john@CACHE.NET)
Subject: Re: Looking for Cocteau Web Site


On Sat, 18 May 1996, David Boughey wrote:

> I can't seem to find the Cocteau Twins web site.  Yes I have tried the
> connection in the FAQ, it doesn't work, just like my bookmarks and whole lot o

> other connections I have tried.  Someone probably announced the new location
> before and I will be terribly embarrassed, so just email me privately.  I need
> to visit the site regularly so I can continue to be depressed by the fact ther

> are no plans to tour Australia.
>
> David Boughey
> Charismatic Megafauna
> dboughey@dest.gov.au

For now, it's at http://205.147.5.69/

As soon as the virtual server picks up, it'll be at

..............................................................
John  (elephas@cache.net)     "We are having a heavenly time!"
 The C. S. Lewis WWW page HTTP://www.cache.net/~john/cslewis/
   This message has been typed on a 100% recycled keyboard
..............................................................


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:48:49 -0700
From: Jens Alfke (jens@MOOSEYARD.COM)
Subject: Upcoming releases (Scala etc.)


Some more cullings from Ear/Rational's pre-orders list. These things'll
be released around the end of the month. (To order from Ear/Rational,
check out their web site at www.xmission.com/~ear or send a "help"
message to the auto-responder at ear-rational@xmission.com.)
I've sorted these more or less in descending order of thislistiness as I
see it...

>Scala-VDT CDS PURECDO57 $9.25
>New stratospheric guitar-pop-slink from dubby mellow Seefeel offshoot
>Scala (looks to be Seefeel minus Disjecta's Mark Clifford).  "VDT"
>threads the needle between Curve or Garbage's swirling, shudder-pop and
>the experimental dub-manipulations of Seefeel, even comparable to
>Portishead, showcasing Seefeel gal Fletcher's sensuous and beyond
>heavenly vocals. CDS with 2 new tracks, plus the "Tears" single as
>bonus tracks! Huge! The "Tears" 7" single is already outtaprint,
>although I've secured a few remaining copies.  (Too Pure)

[Yeah, he means "Peacock", not "Fletcher...]

>Combustible Edison-Bluebeard 12"/CDS 60030/60033 $8.25/$9.25
>"Bluebeard" finds the Edisons' lounge-lizard, faux EZ listening music
>at its most romantic and melancholy. Features headswimming cinematic
>remix action by 60's "Space Control" TV series soundtrack composer
>Peter Thomas Soundorchester, upbeat ultra-kitsch tweeking by Nipponese
>DJ/Remix team Fantastic Plastic Machine, and the dance-pop cheese remix
>by St. Etiennel 12" features a bonus Soundorchester Mix. (City Slang)

[Yes, it's _that_ "Bluebeard".]

>Movietone-Useless Landscape 7" PUNK13 $4.00
>Brand New limited edition 7" single from two talented Rachels, one from
>the apparently and sadly disbanded Flying Saucer Attack, and one from
>somewhere else.  Glorious fuzz-guitar experimental histrionics,
>sheeting distortion, underpinned by barely audible percussion, and
>Rachel's at times screamed faraway vocals. Only 10^3 pressed.

>Trembling Blue Stars-Her Handwriting CD SHINKHANSEN3CD $19.00
>Debut full-length CD on the former Sarah Label's new Shinkansen imprint
>from Field Mice and Northern Picture Library singer/songwriter/enigma
>Robert Wratten and St. Etienne producer/arranger/musician Ian Catt. A
>heady blend of styles and influences (Massive Attack/St Etienne/American
>Music Club/Pet Shop Boys), and a polished and mesmerising body of
>work.  Includes a 7 minute version of their recent single "Abba On the
>Jukebox" and 13 others.  Field Mice were Sarah's biggest seller, so
>this should be big.  (Shinkansen)

>Jack-Pioneer Soundtracks LP PURE055 $11.75
>New full-length on Too Pure's UK-only vinyl (CD on American Recordings)
>for the moody pop minstrels Jack. Haunting orchestral Smiths or
>Tindersticks-style guitar- pop, with snatches of driving six-string
>flammability, a persuasive string section, and lighthearted la la la
>balladeering. Halfway through it reminds me more of Julian Cope's solo
>work, but earlier comparisons are valid. (Too Pure)

>Cradle-Baba Yaga DLP/CD TOPPLP042/CDO42 $16.75/$19.00
>Cradle is the new band formed by Terry Bickers formerly of House of
>Love and Levitation.  A diverse album mixing genres and styles
>comparable to everything from Patti Smith to Nick Drake to superb
>ambient soundscapes. On the Ultimate Label that brought you Submarine,
>so they knows their noise.  (Ultimate)


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                                                 jens@mooseyard.com [play]
Any change in the modes of music is always
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:27:21 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Re: Dewdrops news


On Thu, 16 May 1996, Dewdrops Records wrote:

> Foreteen. The more I think about it, the more I'm wondering if it
> makes sense to do another 4AD tribute. I mean, I'd love to,
> and this one would be SO MUCH BETTER than Thurtene, but
> I'm torn between doing that and putting out a straight compilation
> of all these wonderful bands I want people to hear, and wouldn't
> they be taken more seriously with their own material
> rather than doing a 4AD cover? Plus a lot of people (me included)
> are kinda down on 4AD of late, and perhaps a tribute
> would seem out of place. I welcome any comments.

Personally, I've never gotten around to buying a copy of Thurteen because
I am wary of tribute albums (simply for the fact that they are usually
bad) and haven't heard most of the bands on it. On the other hand, I
would snap up a proper compilation in a second with the bands playing
their own material. Then, knowing what these bands are like, I would be
more comfy looking at a tribute. My own preference would be to hear the
bands you've been raving about on their own terms. Imho there are very,
*very* few songwriters who can properly cover someone else's tune, at
least to the point where I'd rather hear it than something they
themselves had written.

On the other hand, I'm kind of a snob. Maybe no one else gives a shit. :)



   einexile, future owner of the soviet nuclear arsenal

Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:49:02 -0400
From: JoeJanecek@AOL.COM
Subject: Mojave 3 in L.A.


Mojave 3 will be playing at

Rhino Records Claremont

Saturday May 18th

2pm

followed by Richard Davies 3pm
then Spain at 4pm

Joe

Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:27:48 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: HNIA


>Does anyone know the UK and US release dates for the HNIA EP and full-length
>CDs?

i've been seeing july 9th for the us version of the album.  as for the uk
and ep date, i have no idea.

BiZ

Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:44:28 -0500
From: Brendon Macaraeg (bqm1808@IS.NYU.EDU)
Subject: Underworld/new CT LP thoughts


  on 4ad-l daniel klyn  wrote:
> > >So like what in the hell should I be listening to???



        1)shaving the pavement promotional cassette

        2)love and rockets: hot trip to heaven (a year or so old, but
                                                worth recessutation)

        3)underworld
-----------
Underworld did a lot of the music in "Hackers" (actually entertaining for
what it
is...) right? I liked the music in that film...is the Underworld LP out on
TVT a lot
like that?

A couple of quick thoughts on the new CT "Milk and Kisses":

The LP starts off wonderfully "Violaine" (I think of it as the
"slinky-sexy-get-laid tune"...
dunno why--maybe it's the funky bass riff..also love the keys/synth notes
popping in
and out of the mix).
"Serpentskirt"...reminds me of something
off of "Treasure"--good song.
 "Tishbite" is boring...nothing but a circular guitar riff that
goes nowhere fast.
 "Calfskin Smack": a deceptively simple song with a real great lyric when
you finally make it out (yes I know some of you don't want to know what
Frazier is singing, but it works)
"Rilkean Heart": along with "Violane" this is my favorite song on the LP
and includes probably the most moving vocal track(s) Liz Frazier has
laid down on a recording in a long time...what is it about a series of
minor chords that
rip at the heart?
"Eperdu"...I thought this was going to be the CT's stab at doing
their own "Stairway to Heaven" -- not in sound, but in the way it starts
off mellow and
seems to build...up to nothing. Not bad, not much of anything either.
"Treasure Hiding" reminds me of "Pur" from "Four Calendar Cafe", so much so
that it sounds
like a rewrite. In fact, it's almost the same in structure, right down to
the delayed guitar solo.
Not a good sign when a band starts to mimic itself.

Bottom line: if you liked "Blue Bell Knoll" and the LPs after it, you'll
enjoy this.
Not as awe-inspiring as "Treasure" but compared to other stuff on the
radio, which would you choose? The recycling worries me though...
The concerts should be great though...

-B


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:54:54 -0700
From: [suppressed]
Subject: 13 Year Itch For Auction


I've got an extra copy of the 13 Year Itch I'm willing to sell off.
Email bids to me privately, and I'll give a daily update of the high
bid.  Bidding will close one week from today.  Minimum Bid is $55, as
this is what I paid for it.


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:33:10 -0700
From: Joonsuk Bae (bae@YAHOO.COM)
Subject: Re: 13 Year Itch For Auction


> I've got an extra copy of the 13 Year Itch I'm willing to sell off.
> Email bids to me privately, and I'll give a daily update of the high
> bid.  Bidding will close one week from today.  Minimum Bid is $55, as
> this is what I paid for it.

$65

Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 18:04:49 -0400
From: Jennifer Jamieson (Rmitchel5@AOL.COM)
Subject: cocteau twins tour


could someone please tell me who is opening up for cocteau twins in atlanta
on June 7, i need to know asap.

thanks,
jennifer

ps- is this seefeel thing just cruel joke?  Someone on another list just
posted it like it was a fact and now i'm completely confused.


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:28:03 -0600
From: "Dr. Zeus" (john@CACHE.NET)
Subject: Re: new CT LP thoughts


> A couple of quick thoughts on the new CT "Milk and Kisses":
>
> The LP starts off wonderfully "Violaine" (I think of it as the
> "slinky-sexy-get-laid tune"...
> dunno why--maybe it's the funky bass riff..also love the keys/synth notes
> popping in
> and out of the mix).
> "Serpentskirt"...reminds me of something
> off of "Treasure"--good song.
>  "Tishbite" is boring...nothing but a circular guitar riff that
> goes nowhere fast.
>  "Calfskin Smack": a deceptively simple song with a real great lyric when
> you finally make it out (yes I know some of you don't want to know what
> Frazier is singing, but it works)
> "Rilkean Heart": along with "Violane" this is my favorite song on the LP
> and includes probably the most moving vocal track(s) Liz Frazier has
> laid down on a recording in a long time...what is it about a series of
> minor chords that
> rip at the heart?
> "Eperdu"...I thought this was going to be the CT's stab at doing
> their own "Stairway to Heaven" -- not in sound, but in the way it starts
> off mellow and
> seems to build...up to nothing. Not bad, not much of anything either.
> "Treasure Hiding" reminds me of "Pur" from "Four Calendar Cafe", so much so
> that it sounds
> like a rewrite. In fact, it's almost the same in structure, right down to
> the delayed guitar solo.
> Not a good sign when a band starts to mimic itself.
>
> Bottom line: if you liked "Blue Bell Knoll" and the LPs after it, you'll
> enjoy this.
> Not as awe-inspiring as "Treasure" but compared to other stuff on the
> radio, which would you choose? The recycling worries me though...
> The concerts should be great though...

Your observations mirror my own.  I thought it wasn't bad, though I got
kinda bored fast with some of them.

I really was hoping for a more up-beat, "Garlands" sound.  I like their
more "hard core" sound...if that's what you wish to call it.

..............................................................
John  (elephas@cache.net)     "We are having a heavenly time!"
 The C. S. Lewis WWW page HTTP://www.cache.net/~john/cslewis/
   This message has been typed on a 100% recycled keyboard
..............................................................

Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 00:42:12 +0200
From: Frank Brinkhuis (frankbri@PI.NET)
Subject: Re: 13 Year Itch For Auction


At 14:33 17-05-96 -0700, you wrote:
>> I've got an extra copy of the 13 Year Itch I'm willing to sell off.
>> Email bids to me privately, and I'll give a daily update of the high
>> bid.  Bidding will close one week from today.  Minimum Bid is $55, as
>> this is what I paid for it.
>
>$65

$ 100,- Just kiddig. Got 3 in a row here.

Frank

+++++++++++++++++++
Frank Brinkhuis
frankbri@pop.pi.net
+++++++++++++++++++


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 23:05:02 -0400
From: "J. Scott Carradice" (jscottc@INTERLOG.COM)
Subject: Tarnation Concert


The Tarnation concert on May 24 in Toronto has been cancelled.  Please
disregaurd my earlier posting.
                                                Jeff