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Subject: Re: Bad Mood Swings
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:41:04 +1000
From: Geoff Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: the cure / new stuff in general
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 02:38:44 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Tarnation in Toronto
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:36:25 EDT
From: seann harding (103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Re: the cure / new stuff in general
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:55:52 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: the cure / new stuff in general
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:42:11 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: the cure / new stuff in general
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:24:00 +0100
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: new stuff in general
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:15:48 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: the cure / new stuff in general
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:43:48 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: New / Old Cure..... (Other "Goth" stuff)
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:45:34 -0700
From: Spigi Fligi Hertlemeyer (sylv@STERJE.COM)
Subject: hnia 7"s
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:08:13 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: Cocteau Twins DC date
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:16:24 -0400
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Who? (was: new stuff in general)
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:39:20 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: the cure / new stuff in general
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:32:43 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Orbital & other stuff
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:39:22 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Has anyone ever heard of FEBRUARY? (the band, not the month)
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:45:03 -0700
From: "um.......call me the walrus" (rod@LOOP.COM)
Subject: How about GUS GUS?
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:57:42 -0700
From: "um.......call me the walrus" (rod@LOOP.COM)
Subject: Cocteaus in Los Angeles
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:06:34 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: List request
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:17:22 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Modern English/Colourbox
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:46:29 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:49:43 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Cocteaus in Los Angeles
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:10:14 -0600
From: "Dr. Zeus" (john@CACHE.NET)
Subject: Morcheeba
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:32:10 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: How about GUS GUS?
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 21:13:55 -0400
From: Lesley Barnett (barnettl@DICKINSON.EDU)

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:41:04 +1000
From: Geoff Elgey (elgey@FIT.QUT.EDU.AU)
Subject: Re: Bad Mood Swings


G'day,

> The problem is that Bad Mood Swings is not without
> its good elements--just that they all are completely ruined. What really
> bugs me is that in four years they never managed to come up with anything
> near as good as It Used to Be Me, though the configuration seems to have
> been the same.


Why does everyone regard "It used to be me" as a fabulous Cure song? It
positively screams out: "Please, please, please bring back Porl
Thompson". The guitar sound seems to be hide behind tons of flanger &
echo, as if if it trying to fill up the vacuum created since Porl left
for Page & Plant. And there is a really hack editting job done on it at
about the 5 minute mark, where the last section comes in.

Perhaps, compared to the other stuff released by Bob & Co this year, the
mediocre stands head & shoulders above the dull & lacklustre...

There's *heaps* of better music competing for your hard-earned dollars at
the moment...


Cheers,
Geoff


Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 02:38:44 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: the cure / new stuff in general


On Thu, 16 May 1996, Geoff Elgey wrote:

> Why does everyone regard "It used to be me" as a fabulous Cure song? It
> positively screams out: "Please, please, please bring back Porl
> Thompson".

To me it screams out "please bring back Porl because the rest of the
material isn't up to this standard". The song is an example of what ELSE
can be done and of the band cratively making do without him. I love the
guitar work on that song. I agree with you generally but think this is
the one place where they showed that they *could* have done without him.

> The guitar sound seems to be hide behind tons of flanger &
> echo,

There is no guitar. The flange *is* the instrument. It is the basis for
the song. The song could not have existed otherwise. i don't know what
you think it would/should have sounded like..?

> as if if it trying to fill up the vacuum created since Porl left
> for Page & Plant.

WHAT!?? What are you talking about? Please explain this remark... :(

> And there is a really hack editting job done on it at
> about the 5 minute mark, where the last section comes in.

Again, I don't hear it. I realize it comes in at an odd time but it seems
natural to me, or at least as though it's a genuine entrance and not a
place where someone snipped a piece of tape and laid it over what was
lingering.

> Perhaps, compared to the other stuff released by Bob & Co this year, the
> mediocre stands head & shoulders above the dull & lacklustre...

I will grant you this, but when it came it it was my reason for having
high hopes for the new album.

> There's *heaps* of better music competing for your hard-earned dollars at
> the moment...

I can't agree with this either. So far this year I've got Mark Knopfler,
Orbital, Love and Rockets, and Nearly God, plus decent but disappointing
showings from Lush and Bel Canto. Everything else I've heard has sucked
really bad and I am just biding time filling up holes in my 1995
collection. So like what in the hell should I be listening to???  :(


 e, who is looking forward to the new dcd, actually...


Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:36:25 EDT
From: seann harding (103476.1771@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Tarnation in Toronto


Just a reminder to those of you in southern Ontario and area that 4AD
recording artists Tarnation visit Toronto on Friday, May 24th.  They are
opening for Mark Eitzel, who I believe used to be in a semi-well known
group at one time.  The venue is The Rivoli on Queen Street and tickets
are $12 but only AT THE DOOR!  Be sure to bring your copies of "Gentle
Creatures" for Paula and company to sign!  What other stops are they
making on this "Rinsing The Stubble" tour, one wonders??

- JEFF KEIBEL
mail me at jscottc@interlog.com
or give that CompuServe number a go.

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:55:52 +0100
From: Andrew Norman (nja@LEICESTER.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: the cure / new stuff in general

              meek" at May 16, 96 02:38:44 am

 einexile the meek  wrote on Thu, 16 May 1996
 (Subject: the cure / new stuff in general)
 > I can't agree with this either.  So far this year I've got Mark
 > Knopfler, Orbital, Love and Rockets, and Nearly God, plus decent
 > but disappointing showings from Lush and Bel Canto.  Everything
 > else I've heard has sucked really bad and I am just biding time
 > filling up holes in my 1995 collection.  So like what in the hell
 > should I be listening to??? :(

LFO's "Advance", and the Auteurs' "After Murder Park", to name two
extreme examples.  It hasn't really been a great year so far, has it?
There's always the Cocteaus album, of course, and Virgin have just put
out a really good Tom Verlaine compilation (one live disc and one studio
disc with lots of rarities), which is top stuff provided you are into
long guitar solos and singing like a strangled cat.

Listened to the new Quickspace Supersport single last night, and it
sounds almost exactly like Th' Faith Healers.  "Friend" is like a good
TFH song (giant riff which goes on for ever), "Good Times" is like a
bad TFH song (tuneless noodling which goes on for ever).  No moog
sounds this time, doesn't sound at all like Stereolab.

--
Andrew Norman, Leicester, England 16/05/96
nja@le.ac.uk, http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/staff/Andrew.Norman/
LFO - Advance

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:42:11 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Re: the cure / new stuff in general


>So like what in the hell should I be listening to???

The latest Nick Cave, Neil Young's soundtrack for 'Dead Man' and Morcheeba.

Those plus Nearly God are my favorites this year... (still waiting for
Scheer's infliction to arrive, I think I like them)


>So far this year I've got Mark Knopfler...

Mark Knopfler... isn't he dead for years now?


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, May 16, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl


Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:24:00 +0100
From: mbdtssv (mbdtssv@AFS.MCC.AC.UK)
Subject: Re: the cure / new stuff in general

              16, 96 05:42:11 pm

>
> >So like what in the hell should I be listening to???
>

The Lambchop album 'How I Quit Smoking', Mike Johnson's solo album 'Year Of
Mondays', Mark Eitzel '60-Watt Silver Lining' and Rachel's 'Music For
Egon Schiele' to name but four melancholy masterpieces.

Simon


Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:15:48 CST
From: the boy in zinc (eewittme@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU)
Subject: Re: new stuff in general


> einexile the meek  wrote on Thu, 16 May 1996
> (Subject: the cure / new stuff in general)
> > I can't agree with this either.  So far this year I've got Mark
> > Knopfler, Orbital, Love and Rockets, and Nearly God, plus decent
> > but disappointing showings from Lush and Bel Canto.  Everything
> > else I've heard has sucked really bad and I am just biding time
> > filling up holes in my 1995 collection.  So like what in the hell
> > should I be listening to??? :(

stereolab's etk is one of their best releases to date.  spacetime
continuum's emit ecaps is really good, but it's kind of a grower.  the new
hnia!  the third eye foundation's semtex is the only cd that's come out this
year that i could honestly say is better than stars on esp.  long fin killie
have a new cd coming out in july, and jack (too pure's newest) has a cd
coming out in june.  then there's that scala 7" .mark. mentioned.  now would
be a good time to go back and find those northern picture library eps (of
course, i'm speaking for myself, now)...

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:43:48 -0400
From: daniel klyn (owilde@UMICH.EDU)
Subject: Re: the cure / new stuff in general


'Twas recently asked:


> > >So like what in the hell should I be listening to???



        1)shaving the pavement promotional cassette

        2)love and rockets: hot trip to heaven (a year or so old, but
                                                worth recessutation)

        3)underworld

        4)esp family 7" ep

        5)cocteautwins' 'tishbite' single: blue one

        6)*bonus selection* steely dan: gaucho lp, side 2


Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:45:34 -0700
From: Spigi Fligi Hertlemeyer (sylv@STERJE.COM)
Subject: Re: New / Old Cure..... (Other "Goth" stuff)

              


Change is good and yes it would suck if our beloved bands kept
on doing the same things over and over again but change
by itself doesn't necessarily mean good things.  I've only heard
Mint Car by the cure and a snippet from another song but I wasn't
impressed.  There's change and there's a band who's time has come
and gone and they seem to be flailing their arms about while
they're sinking in the quicksand.  On the other hand maybe it's
just a shaky beginning.

IMHO The cure seems to be flailing in the quicksand and Lush is
at a shaky beginning.  They're not the Lush that I got into
as the Cocteaux are definitely not the same band.

I also notice that when my interests change it's not because my
favored band change but it's because I start listening to
different ones.  I've stopped listening to something that I'm
not quite sure I like because when it comes down to it there are
so many excellent albums out there so why waste it with ones that
are just sort of "eh"?

-Spigi
"some lurker girl"


Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:08:13 -0700
From: noisegirl (kelli@NETCOM.COM)
Subject: hnia 7"s


  the hnia 7" will be ready to ship within a week. so all you kids
  who have waited patiently {like me} will finally get the long
  awaited slab o'vinyl....

  also, according to the ever so kool ear/rational, the hnia releases
  will be on upcoming pre-order lists. yaaaaaaay....



  officially 22 as of the 13th,
  *k-j*

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:16:24 -0400
From: Steve Willett (willett@NI.UMD.EDU)
Subject: Cocteau Twins DC date


Just a quick de-cloak to mention the Cocteau Twins date at the 9:30 club
in Washington DC, Sunday June 9th.  Tickets are on sale NOW.

And yes, Milk and Kisses is everything you could ask for on a Cocteau
Twins release.  Splendid stuff indeed.

steve

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:39:20 -0700
From: einexile the meek (einexile@netcom.com)
Subject: Who? (was: new stuff in general)


See what I mean, though?? Everyone is recommending some pretty offbeat
stuff. Maybe I am just a little naive about that bit it certainly seems
there is a serious shortage of good pop these days.

On Thu, 16 May 1996, Emiel Efdee wrote:

> >So like what in the hell should I be listening to???
>
> The latest Nick Cave, Neil Young's soundtrack for 'Dead Man' and Morcheeba.

I heard some of the new Nick Cave and liked it, but swore him off forever
after the last album. Will have the hear the entire thing first if I am
going to buy it.

What's so special about Dead Man? Assume I am not much of a Neil Young
person. :)

And finally...what is Morcheeba?

> >So far this year I've got Mark Knopfler...
>
> Mark Knopfler... isn't he dead for years now?

No, just kinda old. :) I never really listened or cared until I heard the
last Dire Straits record in a store in 1993. There is some "Money for
Nothing" type shit on there but there are also some brilliant songs.
Still, it is Dire-Straitsy and I don't recommend it to anyone with a
peeve. The solo album, however, is almost devoid of that. Mostly it is
subdued, classy country falling somewhere between Mojave and the first
Simon Bonney album. (Of course, I am biased towards describing the album
in the light of the songs I like most, and there *are* tracks on the
record many would find obnoxious.) Mainly the songs are brilliant and
just lovely, the production is crisp and right on, and I would bet money
on it winning over anyone who doesn't flat out dislike the guy.

Thomas Koner. I just got anice message from somoene on the ambient list
recommending his work and would like some opinions from people here. My
interest is particularly piqued since this guy wrote me largely in
agreement with a comment I made about the "holy trinity" of On Land, The
Pearl, and Sleeps with the Fishes.

Anyway, thanks everyone for the recommendations. One last thing: Could
someone post/mail/forward a review of the new Soundgarden record? I
realize the band is probably hated on this list so maybe not here, but I
was really excited to see in in the rekkid store the other day only to
find that it was available exclusively on vinyl for the first week. :(

Sorry to sound loopy and ramble. I am fukd up on cold medicine.



 e


Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:32:43 -0500
From: HORTMAN_M@HCCS.CC.TX.US
Subject: Re: the cure / new stuff in general


...and why you're at it; pick up the "Once Upon a Time in America" sountrack;
its import only on some French label; but it's some of Morricone's best work.

Also; who wants to tape "Dawnrazor" and "The Nephilim" for me?  It looks like
they're out of print and I'd really like to hear "Harmonica Man" and "Vet for
the Insane" to name a few.  (looks over at e)

I guess I should join the nephilim list rather than asking this here; but since
I started, oh well.  Revelations is basically like "A Passage In Time"?  Lots
of Nephilim stuff taken out of context and put together onto a CD?  What's with
this "laura" CD from Contedisc?  Looks like mostly stuff from "Dawnrazor" and
why does "Elizium" and "Earth Inferno" have 90% of the same songs on both?

Ahhhh!  I'm confused and I can't find any of these CDs anyway.  Dave at Ear/R
is going to help me out with some of them.  Houston SUCKS!  Yes, Moran and
whoever else is listening. I can't ever find SHIT in this town.  That includes
the shitty selection available at Soundwaves and SoundXchange.  Pitiful,
pitiful pitiful.  I guess Best Buy wins out again.

marvyn

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:39:22 EDT
From: Dez (100702.123@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Subject: Orbital & other stuff


Orbital in Manchester last night - two hours of bliss (save having to dance on a
ten degree slope - not as easy as it sounds). Good visuals as you would expect
from them, and their rather comical frog-torches too (if you haven't seen them,
then you'll probably wonder what on earth a frog-torch is). But the music. Wow.
Much as I love In Sides, I had reservations as to how it would transfer into a
live setting - I needn't have worried. They started with 'Out There Somewhere' -
a full 25 minute rollercoaster of a version, and continued with a set heavily
weighted toward the new record. In fact they played all of it bar Adnan's. As
the set progressed, seemingly so did the pace and intensity (but maybe that was
just me getting wilder). Particular highlights were Petrol, a shudderingly
powerful Satan, and Halcyon (with new Belinda-bits - Heaven truly can be a place
on Earth). The encores were predictable - Impact and Chime, but no less
brilliant for being so. Come back soon!

And a few recent records-

Tortoise - Djed (Unkle remix) 12" (City Slang)
After an interminable delay, this is finally on the streets - and is every bit
as good as I'd imagined it would be. Boy-genius Lavelle spirits up an
instrumental hip-hop masterpiece from our reptilian boffin friends. So cool it
hurts.

Photek - UFO/Rings Around Saturn 12" (Photek)
More left-field drum 'n' bass from Rupert Parkes - UFO is a storming
sample-a-thon, whilst Saturn is a much more mellow, dark headtrip.

Underworld - Pearl's Girl 2xCD (JBO)
Number 26 in the pop charts! The first CD brings together a cruelly edited
version of the title track, and a couple of LP offcuts. CD2 is better, with a
Koi Carp remix of Pearl's Girl which is a completely different beast altogether,
and best of all, Fallen Arch - a wonderful mellow techno groove.

And finally-

96 has been a funny year for music so far - an awful lot of utter dross to wade
through - but I'd disagree with anyone who says it's not been a good year. I
can't remember a year, though, that has produced so much that is really
breathtakingly bad (Cranberries, Cure, Ocean Colour Scene, Northern Uproar,
fucking Bis). But against that, there's been some dead good stuff too - LPs from
Underworld, LFO, Orbital, The Walkabouts, Palace Music, Lionrock, Rachel's, Mark
Eitzel, Nearly God and Marta Sebestyen. Great singles from acts as varied as T
Power and Pavement, and most surprising of all the re-invention of Everything
But The Girl as gods of mellow drum 'n' bass. If you predicted a year ago I'd be
raving about them, I'd have seriously questioned your sanity. Sometimes I love
to be wrong.

- Dez

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:45:03 -0700
From: "um.......call me the walrus" (rod@LOOP.COM)
Subject: Has anyone ever heard of FEBRUARY? (the band, not the month)


Heard on KXLU just now a song by a band called February entitled "Bliss"
It's from a 7" on Prospective Records.  That's all I know about it except for
the fact that it's *quite* beautiful in the most thislistie sort of way.  I'd
like to hear/know more about 'em.  Thanks.


Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:57:42 -0700
From: "um.......call me the walrus" (rod@LOOP.COM)
Subject: How about GUS GUS?


Just heard straight from the updated 4ad info line that the newest
addition to the 4ad family is an icelandic band called Gus Gus (well
that's what it sounded like on the phone, so the spelling might be off,
they are foreigners you know......)  They seem to have released stuff in
iceland before.  Anyone heard it / them?

btw, it seems like 4ad is mailing out StP tapes & stuff for those who
leave messages on the info line.


Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:06:34 U
From: Nadim Baki-Zada (nadimbz@2LAUNCH.COM)
Subject: Cocteaus in Los Angeles


In the light of the recent posts abou;t the US tour of the Cocteaus, anyone
know when their LA show is gonna be and when does it go on sale????

-deemie-

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:17:22 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: List request


Does anyone have an address for a Mazzy Star/Opal list or something
related?

thanks

Strick9

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:46:29 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: Modern English/Colourbox


Jeff,

Kudos!

A great post... and interesting.  surely, a rare commodity on this list
these days.

big smoos to yoo!

Strick9

Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:49:43 -0700
From: Sex Dwarf! (beswick@chaph.usc.edu)
Subject: Re: JENSING THE HUITE


> The "Blue Flower" question has been done to death several times in the
> last year alone.
>


That's funny... I've been on this list over two years and don't ever
remember the question coming up more than once.  I wouldn't exactly call
that "done to death".


Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:10:14 -0600
From: "Dr. Zeus" (john@CACHE.NET)
Subject: Re: Cocteaus in Los Angeles


On Thu, 16 May 1996, Nadim Baki-Zada wrote:

> In the light of the recent posts abou;t the US tour of the Cocteaus, anyone
> know when their LA show is gonna be and when does it go on sale????
>
> -deemie-

I just subscribed (actually, I subscribed many, many months ago, but left
due to lack of traffic 

I must admit, I've been lacking a lot of news regarding the CTwins.  Is
there a concert agenda to look at?

Also, getting back to 4AD, anybody know when tickets for DCD in Salt Lake
City, Utah will go?

..............................................................
John  (elephas@cache.net)     "We are having a heavenly time!"
 The C. S. Lewis WWW page HTTP://www.cache.net/~john/cslewis/
   This message has been typed on a 100% recycled keyboard
..............................................................

Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:32:10 +0200
From: Emiel Efdee (efdee@LUNA.NL)
Subject: Morcheeba


At 11:39 16-05-96, einexile the meek wrote:

>And finally...what is Morcheeba?

They're from London. Two guys and a girl (vocals). If you like Nearly God
-> Tricky -> Massive Attack -> Portishead (or those kind of sounds) you
should try it...

They've got a single out at the moment called 'Trigger Hippie' and a debut
album 'Who Can You Trust?'

More info on the Web Wide World:


or


but these are the same pages...



Tudeledoki,


Emiel Efdee
...
the Netherlands, May 17, 1996
... efdee@luna.nl


Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 21:13:55 -0400
From: Lesley Barnett (barnettl@DICKINSON.EDU)
Subject: Re: How about GUS GUS?


i have been told by someone that works at 4ad that they're a bit more
"experimental"  or at least that they tend to do more sampling than other
4ad bands.  i have been told that they are very good, though.


                                lesley

On Thu, 16 May
1996, um.......call me the walrus wrote:

> Just heard straight from the updated 4ad info line that the newest
> addition to the 4ad family is an icelandic band called Gus Gus (well
> that's what it sounded like on the phone, so the spelling might be off,
> they are foreigners you know......)  They seem to have released stuff in
> iceland before.  Anyone heard it / them?
>
> btw, it seems like 4ad is mailing out StP tapes & stuff for those who
> leave messages on the info line.
>


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